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You Obama supporters who boo Hillary
at the Edward's endorsement yesterday....hey, you folks who continue to wallow in the Hillary hate, available easily as cheap handguns on the street, compliments of those who hate women and the Clintons in general...hey, folks, keep it up.
we are watching. if you do not want our votes in the general election, please, please keep it up, as your ranks are replete with those who cannot get out of the sewer, winners are supposed to be more tidy and less messy.
I can take the daily dosages of sneering and sarcasm of the talking head elites, I have long ago decided those folks are just buffoonish. but, to my fellow libs & Democrats, as a Hillary supporter, I do not hate Obama, but the facts are facts, the Obama campaign has dealt in race and gender politics, but now, you have won.
you can afford to be generous, or you can prove that you are so single minded in your hate that nothing, not even triumph on a grand scale can lift you out of your morass. \
we are watching, listening and waiting...insult us, boo us, sneer at us all you want. then, in November, when we sit home and pass on the election, if you fail, think long and hard about the seeds you sow, as ye shall surely reap what you sow.













Comments (55)
Speaking for myself, you are not part of the change I desire. Neither is your vote necessary to achieve it. Go away. Take your attempted political blackmail with you.
May 15, 2008 7:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
You sound bitter.
May 15, 2008 7:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look, it's easy to criticize Cherry for voting saying she might vote against her own self-interests because of what fans of Obama do, but the truth of the matter is she's not alone.
She's right that we need to be gracious in victory if we want to encourage former Hillary supporters to get out and vote for Obama in November. It seems to me that I've actually seen more gracious Clinton supporters on TPM recently than gracious Obama supporters, and it should be easier for us to be the gracious ones, so I don't really understand it.
Yes, it's stupid to not vote for Obama because of what his fans say on-line. It's just as stupid for his fans to say things on-line that we know are going to cause some former Clinton supporters to not vote for Obama. Let's keep it classy.
May 15, 2008 7:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Ranting about the primary is also getting to be a bit beside the point.
May 15, 2008 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ben: "Look, it's easy to criticize Cherry for voting saying she might vote against her own self-interests because of what fans of Obama do, but the truth of the matter is she's not alone."
I'm not criticising Cherry and those who are like-minded. I'm dissing them and their self-centred, domineering politics. And I'm writing them off.
Being gracious in victory does not include pandering to blackmailers for the purpose of securing their support.
I want a new politics. I do not want the same old crap with new packaging: it's too late in the game for that.
For every self-centred, domineering "Cherry" there are probably a hundred people who do not vote at all because they are disaffected with the old politics. I would rather work to gain their support by offering them a new politics, which is what the Obama movement is about, than further disaffect them by pandering to the "Cherrys."
We don't need the Cherrys.
May 15, 2008 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
And that's a mistake. Reading between the lines here, Cherry really wants to vote for Obama in November, but she is currently conflicted. I don't consider it pandering to be polite. I consider it good politics. Exit polls show that there are an awful lot of Clinton supporters in the same boat as Cherry. The vote of those of a similar mind should not just be written off.
May 15, 2008 8:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ben: "I don't consider it pandering to be polite."
And the difference between being polite, when confronted with political blackmail, and pandering is what?
May 15, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not pandering if I'm doing the right thing for the right reason. Pandering is when you say what someone else wants to hear even though you don't really believe it, or when you give them something just so they'll vote the way you want them to vote.
What, exactly, do we lose by being polite? Why wouldn't we want to be polite?
May 15, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ben, the objection I posted to Cherry's post is that it is attempted political blackmail.
There's nothing wrong and everything right with being polite — unless it's an inappropriate response or an inappropriate initiative.
Pander: Yield (to); give satisfaction to.
Responding to political blackmail with politeness is inappropriate. Instead, it should be denounced.
I object to political blackmail. I object to pandering to it. And I encourage others to do the same.
The only instance in which politeness could be considered an appropriate response to political blackmail is when being something other than polite would result in the defeat of one's cause. Though Cherry would like to consider the November election as unwinnable without her support and that of her ilk, I don't buy this for a second. As I've already written, for every Cherry who would withhold her support, there are a hundred others who can be enlisted to the cause.
May 15, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess our difference is that I don't see it as blackmail as much as a call for help. Reading between the lines, she's saying that she really wants to vote for Obama but is having a hard time due to the rancorous way people here talk about Hillary. Obviously her vote by itself isn't going to matter, so I take this post more as a message that we're not helping our cause by being rancorous. Again, I don't find that to be blackmail.
May 15, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
You must not have caught many of Cherry's previous blog posts.
I agree with both of you. As billy Glad said recently, "This could get complicated."
May 15, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's Billy Glad.
May 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I have caught her previous posts, which is exactly why I see this as a call for help. This post is incredibly tame compared to her previous ones. Her position is softening, and she wants our help in preventing her from back-sliding.
That's my amateur psychoanalysis, anyways.
May 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever may be between the lines, what's in the lines is political blackmail. And that, regardless of anything else, merits being called out and condemned.
If, as you understand her, there's a call for something virtuous between the lines, there are ways of communicating such things which are acceptable and others which are not, and she falls into the latter category. There's no reason not to call her out on it and disapprove of it.
Additionally, and as I've also written, the argument she makes for reconciliation or "unity" is bogus.
My reading of what's between the lines is that s/he's actually trolling. Whether s/he's an actual Hillary supporter or not, s/he's trolling. From the several of her posts that I've read, I've never considered her a bona fide interlocutor. That's why, in my original post, I wasn't even responding to her. I was responding to the case she was making because I keep seeing the same case being made by others, and the same tolerance for it being expressed by otherwise well-meaning commenters.
May 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Being gracious in victory does not include pandering to blackmailers for the purpose of securing their support."
Um, sorry. But yes it does. Welcome to the Real World™. You will find that many features of Real World™ do not match what you have read in books or seen on the tv. In Real World™, achieving compromise always requires some generosity and some sacrifice, even when the other side has been really annoying.
No, look -- in a case where you've got a troll mindlessly repeating "white folks won't vote for Obama," I would agree with you. But in this case, it sounds like cherry is genuinely ready to bury the hatchet, and just wants the other side to admit "Hillary ≠ Satan." In which case I reject (and denounce) my post below, and agree with Ben.
May 15, 2008 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Alex39: "Um, sorry. But yes it does."
Um, sorry. No, it doesn't.
May 15, 2008 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you want a new politics, which I doubt, then act like the new politics that you say you want.
May 15, 2008 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Corollary: If you don't want a new politics, then quit holding people to the standard that you say you don't want.
Now I'm dizzy.
May 15, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
BevD: "If you want a new politics, which I doubt, then act like the new politics that you say you want."
In the event this was addressed to me, that is exactly what I'm doing. I do not pander to political blackmail.
May 15, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
You don't want new politics, you want business as usual but with your candidate on top of the pile.
I want a democrat to win, either candidate would be a good president, and I am not going to materially damage either candidate for immediate gratification now.
May 15, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have no idea what I want.
May 15, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ben Dude, it's a trap to let them frame you as ungracious. I think when true ungracious behavior takes place it's apparent. Who/what is the barometer on the gracious line. Let me remind people (not trying to be smarmy) that not all these people who are quick to put you in that mental corner, are Hillary supporters. We will see the same types of things being played against us when the general starts in terms of race baiting and things that HRC said.
So now, if we have a true disagreement with something HRC has done or said, are we not able to voice that? The good people who in the best of meanings want to move on, when someone labels someone else ungracious, are you gonna fall for it without any kind of brainstorming. I know, so anal, but I just have a hard time with people who box you into corners and frame a person with a catch frase!
After all this above, I have taken a pledge to myself as of 7:10 p.m. mt last night to not pick on HRC anymore, even if I'm pissed. For instance I have an opinion that she is going to bring this to Denver and stir up more stuff even after the last few contests. I'm upset with that because I think at some point party first, and we have to move on to prepare for McCain. I may not be right, but it is how I feel as a voter. So to close, for the topic starter, I apologize and empathize that your candidate is loosing. I still have major issues with HRC, but I will not voice them anymore. So I get the message you convey. At the same time, maybe you can ask some of the HRC supporters to not poke at the otherside to evoke that ungracious behavior. Just a thought.
Peace.
May 15, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also...as for the booiing....It was bad. But as others stated it was corrected. It's sad though that people now are not even expected to have a human reaction, or reaction in the moment. Another double standard. People in the HRC camp have booed Obama. Again, the human reaction. I keep hearing people say we need to give HRC a way out as if whats at stake isn't good enough. My compassion goes, ok maybe Im wrong, it's understandible she is having a hard time losing, so yeah, lets take it easy on her. Same space should be given to Obama supporters who thought this race was over in Feb and are having a hard time dealing with that! Fair is Fair!
May 15, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
No take on that Ben. I got it.
May 15, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just got back in the thread, Sean. I wasn't deliberately ignoring you or anything!
I think we can raise legitimate concerns about Hillary all we want to, but we should attempt to do it politely. I notice that when I raise legitimate concerns about Obama I'm more likely to be deferential than when I raise legitimate concerns about Hillary, and that's not good. I should give each of them the benefit of the doubt until there's reason not to.
I've taken a similar pledge, and I'll be the first to admit that I don't always follow through.
May 15, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for responding Ben...thought I lost you too...I tend to piss people off at times...
Anyhow, You are right...I just worry about the people who piss on Good intentions because some are not true Hillary supporters, they are just trying to force us to do what they want, or create havok.....So, I feel better that I dont have to attack her anymore. She also made some attempts at what I wish she would do in the last 24 hours, so good for her..
May 15, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't endorse the boos. And please note, they were corrected, and followed by cheers.
But I also think you're being inconsistent.
Hillary can keep campaigning as long as she wants. But as long as she *is* campaigning, you can't really ask Obama supporters to turn the other cheek, or act as though the race is over. When she withdraws, we'll stop grumbling about her.
As the Clinton campaign has become less negative, the volume of grumbling on TPM has gone down. On the rec list, I see only two posts that are hostile to Hillary. That number used to run in the range of 6-8.
May 15, 2008 7:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
So basically you're saying you would stay home out of spite because you don't like what some Obama supporters are saying?
What a great way to show your support for all that Clinton and Obama BOTH want for the country in the future.
You'd be willing to screw us all, including yourself, because you want the satisfaction of sticking it to a minority of Obama supporters. And I assure you they are a minority.
Aren't we, as rational adults, supposed to base our vote on the candidate? This is just more guilt by association.
Please stop acting so childish. I understand the disappointment of backing your candidate so fiercely and seeing her lose. But honestly, take some time to heal the impact of the loss. Then let's move ahead and do what's best for the nation.
May 15, 2008 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that by November you'll choose to vote (or not) based on the candidates, their positions, and their actions, not based on the actions of some of their more juvenile supporters.
Obama's is a historic candidacy, and he does face a potential significant obstacle in his race, just as Senator Clinton's sex is a potential significant obstacle for her should she be the nominee. Either candidate would of course want the support of the other's backers.
May 15, 2008 7:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, no, no. Cherry, this is not the way to go. Do not allow those bitter, pathetic "winners" to dictate what you do in the future. They are not all like those who booed. They are not all like "sean669." Ignore them or mock them (something I occasionally like to do!;^}) but in November, you know as well as I it is more important to elect Obama over McCain. This is bigger than those classless Obama supporters. Most are not like that. Most are like Ben Hocking. This is good. Be above it all. Move on. Prepare for the fall and be happy and proud when we elect Barack Obama!
Hang in there. This pettiness will pass soon enough.
Cheers.
May 15, 2008 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just saw this Loki, sitll at it huh...:)....am I on your mind bud...:)
Im going to say something to you that we used to say along time ago....
"you can say what you want, just spell my name right"
You computer bully! Guys like you practice such cowardess behavior...Contrary to definition of me, I had already state where I'm comming from. I will let this be the last time I respond to you.
Good luck with the threats, especially one's that dont make one bit of sense, like not supporting the Dem Nominy. In your warped world where you think people are not acting the way you supposedly want them too, elect McCain, you get what you deserve. Rather childish parse what the reasons were after that happened. Now take your ball and go home...I'd done playing your silly mind games.
May 15, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, this is the last time I will respond to you. Sorry, I missread your post...seems you are voting to keep McCain out, I stand corrected and apologize for that. Seems your smarter than you misguided definitions of me show you are.
Peace out.
May 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
No taking it back now sean baby. You've pathetically revealed youself to be petty and small.
Res ipsa loquitur.
May 15, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having not read you two's previous postings, I'm not sure what your problem with Sean is, but I'll tell you, he's good people. Like many Obama supporters (myself included) he has some anger still, but he's dealing with it. Give him a chance.
May 15, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats why your the best Ben....and I mean that.
May 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, fair enough Ben. But in the last couple of dealings he's been less than gracious and in fact threatened violence upon me. I don't give a lot of people a chance after things like that...but there it is.
I know I can be not the easiest person to deal with in here, but I don't threaten people. I don't attack Obama. I don't mock people for their choice of candidate. As always, my biggest thing is the people who are irrational and vitriolic towards others for no good reason. I do smart mouth them. They usually smart mouth back... but big, bad Sean wants to fight. Literally! Good people? OK, I guess I'll have take your word for it.
May 16, 2008 8:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I understand where you're coming from. I did not like seeing Clinton lead her followers in booing Obama at her rallies, but that was just the nature of the game at the time. Now that the race is (almost, very nearly?) over, things are different, and it's time to act like gracious winners. I was pretty surprised to see those people still booing Clinton when Edwards was bending over backwards to be conciliatory.
May 15, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
When Clinton suspends her campaign, stops spending her time telling people why they should not vote for Obama, and gets behind the nominee, then the healing can begin. But as long as she chooses to continue to fight, she will continue to face the same intense opposition and hostility from some Obama supporters that her own campaign has generated against Obama on a daily basis.
May 15, 2008 8:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes...that's it! Until Hillary falls on her knees and begs forgiveness we will continue to be as classless and bitter in our win as we like!
May 15, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Grow up. She doesn't have to beg for anything. The point is just that as long as she chooses to keep fighting and battling, Obama supporters are going to fight and battle back. When she quits and gets behind the nominee, Obama's supporters will quit too.
May 15, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton in the last couple days has admitted it was a mistake to suggest Obama couldn't win hard working middle class white voters. She has also recently said it would be a mistake for her supporters to vote for McCain in Nov. She appears to be making the necessary graceful backing away from the campaign. Edwards' endorsement of Obama included much concilitory praise of Clinton. It is unlikely she didn't know about it beforehand. The writing is on the wall, she gets it, is making noises like she gets it...and you still want to continue with "intense opposition and hostility" towards her. Clearly it is not me who needs a little maturing...little boy.
May 15, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly it is not me who needs a little maturing...little boy.
What is your problem? I didn't engage in any booing or hissing. I am just suggesting out that there is still a lot of hostility coming from the supporters of each candidate because the race is still in progress. When Clinton calls off Lanny Davis, Taylor Marsh, James Carville and her other surrogates by suspending her campaign, things will settle down. But she hasn't done this. So a lot of Clinton's supporters are still letting Obama have it, while a lot of Obama's supporters are letting Clinton have it in turn. You are asking Obama's supporters to be gracious in victory. But according to Clinton they have not won yet, and so the fight goes on. The ball is in her court. If she wants to stop the bloodletting she needs to say the fight is over.
Your exaggerated complaint about "groveling" missed the point. Nobody is saying Clinton needs to grovel. She just needs to do the same thing Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd and John Edwards did before her: quit. She shouldn't grovel, but should bow out in as graceful and dignified a manner as possible.
May 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
A year ago, I wouldn't have booed Hillary (or Bill for that matter). In 2000, I was openly cheering for Joe Lieberman and had his name on a bumper sticker on my car as I did for Clinton Gore in the 90's. I also a Mel Gibson fan, and Kramer was my favorite character on Seinfeld.
Well, things have changed. Hillary Clinton has worked hard to earn those boos. She has shamed herself with her racist rhetoric and tactics enough so that Keith Olbermann, Michael Moore, and others who were both admirers of hers have publicly spoken out against her crossing the line in veiled (or not-so-veiled) racism.
Charlie Rangel, the outspoken New York congressman and diehard Clinton supporter, had to say something after her USA Today "hard working, white" comment. Rep. Clyburn had to speak up after Bill's crossing the line recenly too.
You should be rounding up Hillary supporters to boost Barack Obama instead of your sour threats. If you really think that another Republican in the Oval Office continuing four more years and destructive policies of the worst president in modern times and probably in U.S. History, be my guest. You are less of a person and not a real Democrat then.
Booooo! Shame Senator Clinton, and shame on you for your bullying post!
Hold your head up, Hillary went up. 1.3% in Slate's Hillary Deathwatch yesterday to a 2.9% chance of winning the nomination:
http://www.slate.com/id/2191300/
May 15, 2008 8:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're the last person who should be lecturing anyone on what it is to be a "real democrat". You and your cohort made this particular site into some sort of high school cross town rivalry with the most childish, petulant, small minded accusations, smears, innuendo and gossip that I've seen outside of lucianne and the freeper board.
The Clintons aren't racists, they don't employ racist rhetoric, she hasn't used tactics that are any different than any other candidate and the fact that you think so demonstrates how little you know and understand about political campaigning.
Every single filthy tactic that was used against Gore by the press and the right has been used against Clinton in this primary, even the most trivial, ridiculous criticism of clothing, hair, multiple personalities, speculation and mind reading. I've seen people on this site quote Arianna Huffington, Maureen Dowd, Camille Paglia, Barb Erhenreich, David Brooks, Gail Collins and Andrew Sullivan (to name a few) who after August will be just as vicious and small minded about the democratic nominee as they are and have been about any democratic candidate and are now as they so clearly demonstrate with every blog entry, article and essay they write - but you just love them everytime they say something critical and downright nasty about the candidate you love to hate. Of course, come September when they start eviscerating the dem nominee it will be a different story and you'll then complain vociferously about what assholes they are to say such things about YOUR candidate. ( And these are some of the very the people who materially damaged Al Gore and the democratic party's hope of election in 00 and 04!)
I've managed to get through this entire primary season without criticizing, smearing, gossiping, psychoanalyzing, making baseless accusations and allegations about either candidate. Both candidates have faults, virtues, talents and drawbacks, both candidates would be good presidents because both candidates are good human beings who want to make a difference and redirect this country in a fairer, more democratic future.
But by all means, keep up with the stupid song lyrics, the top ten lists, the conspiracy theories, the accusations of racism, the cross town high school rivalry put downs, the quotations of real enemies of the democratic party because you're accomplishing real change - I've never seen democrats against each others' throats like this, which is the change you've really brought about. Keep up the good work which is to make it as bitter as possible and reconciliation impossible.
May 15, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cherry
Of course it's hard forgiving Obama supporters who boo your candidate. It's hard enough just losing never the added pain caused by that boorish behavior. They ought to know better.
But it seems to me that your criterion should be not those boos but how Obama himself behaves. And he has always said the right thing on these occasions. Is it possible that he secretely agreed with those boo-ers ? Could be. Or not.
Either way , it's irrelevant.
As an Obama supporter I often find myself thinking Hillary's victory -or defeat- speech has been grudging about Obama. But of course I know those subjective reactions are just that,subjective.
All we are entitled to ask of the candidates, and their supporters , is to behave correctly: say the right thing whether or not the really believe
it. And ,yes, tell the crowd to give the defeated candidate a round of applause , not boos.
The best way for you to triumph over those boorish boo-ers is to show them the right way to act. Do the right thing and vote for Obama in November.
And believe me, I'll vote for Hillary if she's the candidate.
May 15, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought it was sort of creepy and embarrassing when Hillary got booed yesterday, but you've got to allow people the opportunity to let off a little steam every once in awhile. Many of us are heavily invested in Obama's campaign, and the only thing standing between us and a nominee is the hopelessly stubborn Senator Clinton. She's costing us time and money, and she's hurting the party. And it's really hard to listen to her talk about how "the people of West Virginia want this race to continue" when none of us really gives a shit what a bunch of 80-year-old inbred hillbillies want. (Don't worry--there isn't a single computer in West Virginia, so I'm not offending anyone by saying that.)
Hillary is in the way. She's holding up the race against John McCain, and she's hurting our chances to keep him out of the White House. Threats like yours only prove what a destructive force she's become. She has no chance of securing the nomination, she knows it, and she doesn't care, and neither do you. She's the princess, and the princess always gets what she wants. And she's convinced her supporters to join her on her suicide mission to hell.
Think about it: THREE of the candidates who were running against Obama have now endorsed him. None have endorsed Hillary. The last Democratic nominee for president has endorsed Obama. Ted Kennedy, the lion of the Democratic Party, has come out and endorsed him. NARAL has endorsed him. Take a look at this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign_endorsements
The list is a mile long, and it completely eclipses Hillary's list--in both length and in substantive endorsements. Every major newspaper and television network has called the race for Obama. Even Hillary's staff is admitting that her chances are close to impossible. It's completely and utterly over, and still Hillary presses on with that phony smile pasted to her face and her claim that she will be the nominatee endlessly repeating from her yap. And it ain't gonna happen.
And you sit there and, like a spoiled child having a tantrum, threaten that you'll withhold your vote if you don't get your way? Grow the hell up, kiddo. What you're contemplating is suicide. If John McCain gets into the White House, he'll make the Bush years look like a fucking church picnic. Grow the hell up, and get with the program. Hillary fought hard, but it's over. It's time to remind yourself that you're a Democrat.
May 15, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
We write these things, click the send button and they're on the way.(in my case full of errors, grr!) Cherry may well have had instant reservations and ,if you'll permit me, maybe
you wish you could take "spoiled child" back.
Not only because we need her vote and that's probably not a great way to get it. But also because in caring so deeply about Hillary winning it was probably for exactly the right reasons , because she hopes HRC will accomplish the things that we hope Obama will. She's one of us.
But right now she's deeply disappointed. We know what that's like. If she hadn't cared a lot , she wouldn't feel so hurt now. We need to give her a golden bridge to come back to the party. I'm completely confident Obama will , not only because of how he's behaved so far but because it's integral to his message.
We give him a break if we give Cherry a break.
May 15, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
spoiled brats and inbred hillbillies. yes, that is exactly what I expect from some. Thanks for your insight. I am just 60 years of age, I am from the south, but not inbred and not stupid. I, like others, know where they are welcome, and your world is not one of those places.
I do appreciate the decency of some Obama supporters, again, having trimumphed, it seems such little effort to just appear nice & decent. but, as a former overdog or whatever, I guess I am consigned to the dog house forever, for you, anyway.
May 15, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish those had been "partisan boos" but I am afraid they came from the heart of most of the boo-ers.
More evidence that it has been Hillary's supporters and thier arrogant assumption of victory, followed by her campaign's willingness to play the race card along with the kitchen cink, that made so many Obama supporters skeptical.
Now that the former underdogs have prevailed, and the overdogs are subdued, they whimper like victims, so quickly forgetting their own willful ways back when they assumed Hillary was inevitable.
Again, I wish those HAD been political partisan boos. They were more than that.
May 15, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can empathize with you and I understand what you're feeling. Supporters on both sides have lost sight of what our purpose is, to change the direction in which this country is going.
There are few times in the history of this country ( or any country) when most of the people apprehend the danger and are willing to act. This election is profoundly important to this country, some people recognize it vaguely, some people see it clearly but what is important is that we act as democrats to provide the people with the best leadership we can to regain our country for all people.
The democratic party is the best hope we have to halt the damage and repair what we can and change the direction from self-destruction to a constructive, hopeful future. It isn't a perfect party, no party is, but this is the system we have chosen and we must set aside the bitter partisanship, think beyond this convention and do our best for the good of the nation.
We cannot continue on the path we have been on for the last eight years, if we do we will destroy ourselves - we must, must, look to the future to salvage whatever is left of our dignity and move forward, because if we don't, our children and their children are doomed. I truly believe that our only way out of this immoral swamp we've been dwelling in is to help the democratic party pull us out of it.
It doesn't matter what either candidate's supporters are saying and doing now, I find you can tolerate just about anything if you know there will be an end to it - and there will be, this is not important, what is important is our future and what we can do to make it better for the next generation and that is why I am voting democratic. Ask yourself where you want this country to be four years from now and don't dwell on where you are now.
May 15, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just say No to negativity!
May 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
The booing wasn't pretty, but neither has been Hillary's campaign of late. She has wholly brought such feelings on herself.
I had felt no animosity toward her, and in fact, had seriously considered voting for her awhile back. Her ugly campaign tactics since the Texas and Ohio primaries have changed all that.
May 15, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Vote for Obama in November. Who cares what we clowns on TPM say in the heat of passionate debate. If McCain gets in office because people are mad at Obama supporters, everyone loses. Obama supporters, Clinton supporters, and ironically the majority of McCain supporters who do not even realize how they've been screwed by Bush will suffer from putting another republican administration at the helm.
May 15, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree - STOP the Hillary hate. I was mortified when I read that there was booing at the mention of Clinton. People - it's over. Obama won.
Be classy and welcome Hillary and her supporters with open arms. Time to focus on McCain.
If there are Clinton supporters who want to continue the Obama hate - ignore them or engage them. But further attacking Hillary is pointless.
May 15, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The hate will stop once Hillary stops stabbing Obama in the back. Its kind of hard to hold the hand of someone who still has a knife in the other hand.
May 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
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