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Why Women will and must support Barack Obama in November

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John Paul Stevens
Born April 20, 1920 (age 87)

Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Born March 15, 1933 (age 75)

Antonin Scalia
Born March 11, 1936 (age 72)

Anthony Kennedy
Born July 23, 1936 (age 71)

Stephen Breyer
Born August 15, 1938 (age 69)

David Souter
Born September 17, 1939 (age 68)

Clarence Thomas
Born June 23, 1948 (age 59)

Samuel Alito
Born April 1, 1950 (age 57)

John Roberts
Born January 27, 1955 (age 53)


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This sobering look at the age versus the known political inclination of each respective judge may well be reason number one that we must all work together to defeat McCain. Your list is fact, not hyberbole. It cannot be construed by even the most zealous HRC supporter as anti-Hillary. Perhaps your post should be converted to a mass email to be sent to Clinton's donor list?

Isn't there two Dem appointees holding out on retiring until a Dem got back in office? I don't think they'd stick around another five years, so in the very least there is two Dem appointees that will likely be replaced by the next President. If McCain wins the election, SCOTUS will be lost for decades.

Of course this is going to be the rallying cry of the GOP as well come the fall.

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Don't count on women voting for Obama. I'd bet my horse farm in KY that they won't..no matter how much you try to scare them.

Funny, but every woman I know - including my non-Republican friends and relatives in Kentucky - is an Obama supporter. If many, many women and many, many "hardworking ... white Americans" hadn't already voted for Obama, he wouldn't be the presumed nominee, now would he?

I agree that the Supreme Court argument is a weak case to make for a Presidential vote. We've been told we "must" vote for the Dem based on the Supreme Court for election cycle after election cycle, and unfortunately this is just a loser as a motivational tactic for us. The Supreme Court doesn't fire up our base any more than, say, the war in Iraq. And swing voters care a hell of a lot more about the economy than they do about a few old fogeys in robes. Sorry, but it's true.

Still, it's preposterous to say that "women" will or won't vote for Obama. Your horse farm and the Supreme Court notwithstanding, we do not make decisions as a monolithic block.

Perhaps you should get out and meet more women.

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Yeah, sweetie, some of the white working class women who were part of the Reagan Democrats happen to be 'pro-life.'

If you think of it is terms of bowling Obama has a rather bad split problem -- the things that appeal to pro-life Reagan Democrats are going to offend a lot of pro-choice older women.

He's tried this game before -- using homophobe Donnie McGlurkin to headline as a dog whistle to homophobe black church goers in South Carolina. Seems to have worked marvelously as a tactic but to caused strategic damage to the view that Obama is any kind of a healer.

Anybody who thinks that they would have been happy if a politician used a racist to headline a show should feel real comfortable voting for Obama.

Besides, global warming trumps anything. McCain will probably have an easier time getting a good solution. Obama would probably settle for somethiing that sounded good and was a complete disaster: look at his nuclear leaks outcome and count the lobbyist who are his bundlers.

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Did I hear "lobbyists" and talking about Obama! Guess you haven't been up to date on how the McCain campaign crew is sending out questionnaires to their hundreds of lobbyist "workers" so that there's no more of those "suprises". If we're gonna make this election about "lobbyists", then we might just as well give Obama the inauguration today.

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Yeah, sweetie, some of the white working class women who were part of the Reagan Democrats happen to be 'pro-life.'

If you think of it is terms of bowling Obama has a rather bad split problem -- the things that appeal to pro-life Reagan Democrats are going to offend a lot of pro-choice older women.

He's tried this game before -- using homophobe Donnie McGlurkin to headline as a dog whistle to homophobe black church goers in South Carolina. Seems to have worked marvelously as a tactic but to caused strategic damage to the view that Obama is any kind of a healer.

Anybody who thinks that they would have been happy if a politician used a racist to headline a show should feel real comfortable voting for Obama.

Besides, global warming trumps anything. McCain will probably have an easier time getting a good solution. Obama would probably settle for somethiing that sounded good and was a complete disaster: look at his nuclear leaks outcome and count the lobbyist who are his bundlers.

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Well, if you belittle "scare them" in respect to the Supreme Court - well, you must be a Republican. No Democratic woman would
support more of a court that consistently opposes things women have long supported and/or been victimized by: workplace, pay, health, education, opportunity.....Yeah, sounds like a good Republican from Kentucky.

I'll get back to you on that later sweetie.

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Why women will and must support Barack Obama in November

Why aren't you appealing to men? I've been under the impression that men support a woman's right to choose too.

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Why not appeal to men?

Because of self-centeredness. Because of, in a word, arrogance.

It's okay for women to discount, insult, and exclude men. It isn't okay for men to discount, insult, and exclude women. No "male-only" anything can legally exclude women. But "women-only" bastions can legally exclude men.

Those things women call -- when it is expressed by men -- "sexism" are, without the fancy word, bigotry. The same views expressed by women about men, however, are not remarked upon, let alone identified for what they are: sexist bigotry.

"Men are more intelligent than women" = sexism.

"Women are more intelligent than men" = fact.

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JNagarya said:

"Men are more intelligent than women" = sexism.

"Women are more intelligent than men" = fact.

You are describing chauvinism. The belief that one sex is superior to the opposite sex.

That's not the same as sexism.

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Facts are facts -
and any woman or man who cares about women and anyone who has a daughter -- can not allow the supreme court to go even further right --

this alone is enough to vote democratic in November

This is why the Ellen Malcolm's (Emily's List) of the world -- and the Taylor Marshes and all these professed feminists -- are exposed as being more true to their own ambition than the causes they represent --

Because if they really cared about the women they profess to represent - they would not be Hillary or bust -- especially now that the nomination is set

This is why NARAL did the right thing endorsing Sen Obama - they are thinking of their constituents and the future -- not themselves

Why haven't we seen Oprah on the campaign trail since Feb 5?

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It's not like women are one-dimensional and only care about the Supreme Court,please....

Those who argue for "experience" over "change", Gov Richardson, one of the Democratic candidates could genuinely claim of having the most "experience". We need to face up to the fact of Identity politics and move forward from there. I also question the true nature of some of these voters calling themselves a "Democrat", yet seriously considering to vote for McCain if Obama wins the Democratic nomination. Maybe what is really being revealed is someone's closet prejudice and bigotry, knowing that it's not a socially acceptable way of thinking in the public arena but can otherwise express them more freely in the privacy and anonymity of the internet. The irony to all this is those who accuse Obama supports of being the "real racists" (a la Rev Wright) but yet openly and not-so covertly, continue disseminating false information to incite and validate their racial overtures.

Who would be stupid to pass up the opportunity to have the first Black and Woman presidents.

Senator Barack Obama and Governor Kathleen Sebelius.

A lot of women, apparently. I spent some time today surfing through some pro-Clinton Web sites, and I came out scorched. The anger and resentment is so strong, I'm not holding out much hope that any of them will end up uniting. It's a downer, really. I don't know what to say to anyone. On one site that says it's dedicated to serious, reasonable discussion from all points of view, two Obama supporters wrote very civil, reasonable posts asking for an explanation of why voting for McCain or writing in Clinton's name would be better for the country than uniting and voting for Obama. The responses were far from civil. In fact, they were horrible. It's truly disheartening. At this point, I'm saying that if anyone thinks Clinton's staunches supporters are ever going to unite, they're wrong. In fact, they're actively working against Obama.

The saddest thing is that the party stands to make history -- and stood to make history either way, with either candidate. All the original candidates could have taken on McCain and would have been better. Who knew that the two history-making figures would end up splitting the party? I don't think that even Clinton can turn them around, as they will say that she isn't speaking from her heart when she urges them to unite.

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This has been a risk ever since Obama used his campaign to make phony charges of racism against Clinton. The only way he could prevail was to get most of the black vote -- it didn't happen fast enough to suit him so he tranformed every Biden-type gaffe on the part of a Clinton supporter into a racist plot by her campaign. Pbama thought he could dodge his responsiblity by getting up and in a very mealy mouthed manner saying he knew that the Clintons were not racist.
He chose to split the party on racial lines and is paying the consequences.

And why is it that Obamabot feel so free to apply the term identity politics to women without ever acknowledging that the 89% plus votes Obama obtained from the black voers is also identity politics?

To be claar I am not against identity politics-- it is reasonable for someone from a particular group to realize that a politician who is a member of that group is more likely to know their situation from the inside out. What I am objecting to is the double standard and that it is somehow wrong for women to recognize and pursue their own interests.


Obama does not seem to be particularly good at assessing people -- Rezko, Wright, Lieberman are all people he has chosen as friends. So what kind of Justices do you think he would pick?


I have no idea what you're talking about.

Just to amplify, it's not just about Roe v. Wade anymore. It's about Griswold v. Connecticut, the 1965 case that first articulated the right of privacy upon which Roe is based.

In Griswold, the Supreme Court held that the rights enumerated by the Bill of Rights are not to be read, and applied, separately, but, instead were intended to mark out the boudaries of a "zone of privacy" around the citizen's private affairs into which the government could not intrude. In Roe, the Court ruled that this meant the state could not forbid women from having abortions. In Griswold, however, the Court ruled that states could not ban contraception.

That's right. In 1965, contraception was illegal in a number of states, including Connecticut.

There are a number of anti-abortion groups, groups that are considered to be in the "mainstream" of the movement (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) who make no bones about the fact that their ultimate goal is to have Griswold overturned and get contraception restricted or banned in as many states as possible.

Sound crazy? Come down here to the Bible belt and listen to what's being preached in 10 gazillion Southern Baptist Churches every Sunday. Consider, too, that we have five devout Catholics on the Court now. Consider further that there are states all over the country that would ban morning-after pills in a heartbeat and several where rural Republican dominated legislators would make a go of banning all contraception, or the use of contraception by unmarried persons, in the belief that fear of getting knocked up will keep kids from having sex.

Besides Roe, the ruling in Griswold was the basis for Lawrence v. Kansas, the decision that said the state cannot forbid or regulate sexual conduct by and between consenting adults.

The Court has four guys on it now who want to shrink freedom back to pre-Revolutionary standards, empower the President to do whatever the hell he pleases whenever the hell he pleases, restrict the ability of the government to regulate economic activity like, say, spewing CO2 into the atmosphere and, oh yes, allow the government to regulate and restrict our sexual conduct. The two oldest memebers of the Court are its most liberal. They've been clinging on hard for years, waiting for for a Democratic President and a Democratic Congrss.

That's what's at stake.

But, hey Maggi, your wounded gender-based feelings that Hillary wasn't nominated, and your fears about Obama being a scary black man who associated with even scarier black men (yes, we can see your other posts) is far more important than all of that.

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I find this kind of appeal (ie 'vote for the Dem nominee regardless of who it is') ironic because I was making it back in Jan and early Feb when Obama wasn't ahead. And on the boards where I posted, about 50% of Obama supporters weren't buying it back then. Now that Barry has it won, the tune has changed.

You'll probably find it a harder sell for that reason.

My tune hasn't changed. I told people a long time ago that if Hillary won, they'd damn well better hold their noses and vote for Hillary precisely because she'd last 4 or 8 years, but the next two or three justices would be around for 30 or 40.

Whatever. Obviously, this http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/this-is-my-nephew-this-is-my-n.php is far less important than the sacred right of Hillary's supporters to nurture their pique, too.

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Except for months now in every poll Obama supporters have scored much higher in respect to willingness to support HIlary if she were to win than the other way around. So, you can support Obama in good conscience.

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Apparently many people who posted replies made the assumption that women who are worried about the future of the Supreme Court are only concerned about the Court's effect on women's issues. Fair enough, I suppose, at least in terms of the title.
However -- and I assume Ms. Weil would agree -- many of us who are women are concerned about a conservative Court, period end. Whether the issue before the Court is arbitrarily deciding the outcome of a presidential election, or opening the floodgates on invasion of privacy, or the most recent ruling on voter registration limitations, we all -- male and female -- have plenty to worry about. Isn't that the real point?

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The Roberts Court already is a conservative court. It's already lost for decades.

Stop talking about McCain with them and ask them what they want if their candidate doesn't get the nomination.

Presumably most of them want Obama to pick the running mate who will best help him win against McCain. And if Hillary isn't the best choice they wouldn't want him to pick her anyway. Right?

This shows exactly why Obama should agree to nominate Hillary to the Supreme Court at the first possible opportunity. Not only would wingnuts across the nation be thrown into a state of apoplexy (more than usual) for years and years, Scalia and Thomas (at least) would probably be driven to constant hysteria at having Hillary on the court.

Obama could then nominate Bill for the second SC position that opens up. I'd have to get cable again just to watch all the heads exploding on Fox News.

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hilarious!

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I can easily believe that lots of Hillary supporters are not feeling any warmth towards Obama right now. The primaries are just ending. They're just realizing for real that she's lost. Feelings are RAW. They're ANGRY and HURT.

I got pretty invested in this primary campaign also and if Obama was going down now, after a close and tough race and I'd felt like it had somehow been taken from him unfairly (I'm not saying I understand how Hillary supporters can feel this way, but I'm sure they do and I'm sure they wouldn't understand how I'd feel the same way if it had gone their way), I'd be really pissed. After the ugliness I perceived in the Clinton campaign, I feel like I'd have trouble voting for Hillary in the general. That's how I'd feel NOW. But the odds are that I'd calm down a LOT by November. Particularly after seeing the kinds of attacks the Republicans would have launched against Hillary if she'd been the nominee, I'd almost certainly have come around.

I strongly suspect the vast majority of Hillary supporters will too. A few won't. Some Obama supporters wouldn't have if the roles had been reversed. But most will. It's just the way it works. Anti-Obama feelings one the part of Hillary supporters is at its peak right now. They're pissed. And, most of them are post-menopausal women, so LOOK OUT!!!! (ok, this last part was a joke, and in poor taste at that).

Seriously though, try to understand and give it time. Five plus months is a LOOONNNNNGGGGG time.

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wwstaebler

I am VERY concerned about the court for many reasons - you are correct

I am concerned about business regulations (or lack there of), I am concerned about civil right or infringement of), I am concerned about the unbelievably arrogant Antonin Scalia as the strongest voice on the court - with a weak Chief Justice - and having a Scalia majority determine this country's judicial course

I worry for my children - and everyone else's children as well

But the main point of the post - was for the uber Hillary supporters to stop saying they are going to vote for McCain -- If they are true Hillary supporters and respect her record on women's rights and women's issues, then there is no issue more pressing than the potential imminent overturnning of Roe V Wade (or Griswald or whatever anyone wants to refer to)

If women care about women's issues they can be disappointed this will not be the year for a woman president BUT that should not change their point of view on the issues

And Barack Obama is the nest choice for that
alison

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Alison,

"NEST choice" - Freudian typo? Did you mean to say "best" choice or "next choice? Or could you not reconcile your own feelings between your head and typing fingers?

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the next best choice = NEST

like Truthiness--

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