Apart from the fact that it would save Obama's chances, be good for the Party and the country if she were to be on the ticket (even though I hope she turns it down, if asked), I won't focus on the insinuations in your post.

Not this time. Hillary has a large minority of the democratic primary votes, has managed to whip up a frenzy of resentment and can threaten to almost hold the party hostage. The seeds of Plan B have already been planted. Given the fact that the VP is nominated by election at the convention and not simply selected by the presidential nominee I’d say that we will be seeing Hillary’s name on the general election playbill.

Pushing a VP through over the objections of the nominee isn't going to happen.

And I think Obama is less and less likely to pick Hillary, and here's why. She's pushing to be on the ticket, and pushing hard. She's "managed to whip up a frenzy of resentment and can threaten to almost hold the party hostage" as you put it. Bill is pushing for it now, along with her advisors. Scenarios are floated showing how she might twist superdelegate arms to put pressure on Obama.

All of that makes it pretty clear that she knows, and everyone around her knows, she's not going to get onto the short list any other way. Running mates don't usually threaten their way onto a ticket. If she were a good choice, she wouldn't be doing the things she's doing. She wouldn't be trying to power her way onto the ticket.

And so this becomes a test of Obama's spine. If he gives in, everyone will look at the situation and say he's an appeaser. Throw some threats his way, claim to have a "nuclear option", require some kind of tribute in exchange for not attacking, and he caves. If he gives in, he'll never have anyone's respect, ever. Certainly not Hillary's, and wouldn't that make a lovely basis for a president/veep team.

But not just Hillary. Everyone will see that Hillary made the threats, floated the idea of a "nuclear option," etc., and Obama gave in. If he gives in, he'll never have anyone's respect, ever.

She will still have a large share of the delegates going into the convention. After the delegates formally elect our nominee (Obama) They then will elect the VP. If all her delegates then vote for her plus she gets a fair share of his due to guilt, pressure or admiration then she will be the VP. Customarily the presidential nominee's choice is voted in but this convention might be different.

Fine, as long as he returns the Vice Presidency to the level it was when Dan Quayle held the office and ships Bill off to some Ambassadorship where he can do no harm.

Intimidation. That's what this whole thing is about. Hillary still believes she has a shot at the nomination if she can intimidate enough supers.

In my own state, Missouri, Attorney General Jay Nixon is running for governor and remains an Uncommitted superdelegate. Why? Because he has built his career on being the champion of seniors, whose favorite is Hillary and whose vote he depends on heavily now.

Missouri Secretary of State Robin Carnahan also remains Uncommitted. She is the daughter of former Sen. Jean Carnahan, who filled her late husband's vacancy when he beat John Ashcroft for the U.S. Senate AFTER dying in a plane crash. Robin comes from deep in the party core and owes her office largely to women voters, another Clinton constituency.

They are but two Uncommitted supers in one state. And until Hillary quits or is beaten, they will stay on the fence. Imagine how she intimidates them.

Well, I hope the voices of reason above are correct and that he will pick a running mate soon and put all that to rest. But I'm still rattled by her contention re Denver today. I really thought that once FL and MI were resolved there would be a gracious bow out, but she seems more like a loose cannon now than ever.

This post needs updating to reflect the latest news from CNN -- or should I say, the latest leak from the Clinton campaign via CNN?

It sounds to me like the Clinton campaign gamed out the same scenarios that we gamed out in this thread, and came to the conclusion that their only shot at VP was to move fast, in order to ratchet up the pressure *before* Obama announces another pick.

Not clear to me that it's going to work.

this is, bar none, the worst idea that i have ever heard. hillary and bill would be absolutely toxic, not only on the campaign trail, but in the white house, as well.

we've already seen the way that bill campaigns, and it shouldn't inspire confidence in anyone. we know how high hillary's negatives are, particularly among the now dormant far-right nutjobs that voted bush into office twice. we know that hillary has repeatedly said that obama's unelectable, and there is no way to walk back from that. we know that the republicans have hired rove jr. to find dirt on obama - if he's able to go after the clintons for the past eight years as well, the ticket's already sunk. (this assertion that she has somehow been vetted is absolutely false. how many foreign governments do you think bill has been consulting for recently?)

this is nothing more than another move on the part of clinton supporters to attempt to sink obama's presidential campaign. she has not earned a right to the ticket. she's earned a right to move to west virginia to take shots with her people.

I can't tell how much of what the Clinton camp is doing right now is just political theater. I do believe that it is wrong to force a VP on the nominee. The VP should be the nominee's choice and no one else's.

Obama said no, thats why we are witnessing the temper tantrum of bill and hillary. also note bill is now saying chelsea would be great in politics. I was extremely offended when the right wing nut jobs said hillary and bill were pimping her out and now with hillary's loss bill says this about chelsea.

It's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong.
They can't make me. I don't want to.
I'll hold my breath till I turn blue.

If he wimps out and puts her on the ticket I guess he gets the VP he deserves. This whole thing is making me so crazy!! I mean I am having a WEDDING at my house next Saturday and don't even have my dress yet and here I sit glued to my computer unable to think about anything else; how pathetic is that???

And that bit in the post about how the Hillary supporters are charging the Obama campaign and the media with sexism and saying that's why Hillary lost and yet no one can come up with one credible example of sexism, let alone a pattern of it. I heard Geraldine Ferraro being interviewed on Fox and the examples she gave were ludicrous, including Obama brushing off his suit--that was NOT sexism!! Nor was that directed at Hillary! That was directed at the debate moderators after the Philly debate. I don't really see the Annie Oakley remark as sexist--Annie Oakley was a great cowgirl and a credit to her sex, plus that comment was more of a joke than anything.

Agreed with above comments that he will pick before convention. If you trust his diplomatic skills (so far so good in my book), and his leadership skills (not bowing to pressure which makes arguably little sense objectively and compromises the message, the chemistry specifically) it will be his decision.

Btw, overruling his decision, would carry negative consequences as well in the electorate, so Im not sure if anyone could see the decision to overrule the candidate choice aa a positive, no matter what HRCs argument. Questioning decision making (and not trusting the black man to make decisions?) to the point of dictating and overruling a president. How could he govern a country if he can't control his own party officials? Could anyone imagine forcing Jimmy to take on Teddy?

She has no leverage. She has not enoguh votes to do jack squat.

She doesn't help him win either. Edwards performed best as VP in Survey USA polls vs. McCain.

I say Edwards or Webb, they will both perform well with working class whites.

Here is the REAL reason we will never see Hillary as a VP. Her own people are about to jump ship, en masse, granting Obama the power and comfort zone to tell her, politely of course, to buzz off:

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1258

Following up -- what is really critical is, of course, what the voters will think of this match. At first blush many will think 'dream ticket'. But I think the women that are so excited about her run as a historic moment will quickly see her standing behind a MAN, in second place and that there will be a roar along the lines of "Nobody puts baby in a corner!!" And I wonder if that will push them harder to vote for McCain, write in Hillary or stay at home.

Still think we'll see the crazy bitch on the ticket? After her comment today, I'd be surprised if she was allowed within 500 yards of the White House.