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The Influence of Florida and Michigan

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Within the next few weeks, the Democratic party will (thank God!) resolve the dispute on the unsanctioned Michigan and Florida primaries.  At that time, the two state parties will probably spin that this vindicates their judgment in holding early primaries.  Don't believe it!  Their judgment has made a "dog's breakfast" out of the primary process.

The 2008 primaries and caucuses have been remarkable in that each state (district and territory) has had significant influence.  This is true whether the state voted in January, will vote in June, or voted anywhere in between;  and whether they voted for Obama or Clinton.  Every state EXCEPT Michida!  Florigan has selected no delegates, and any objective observer treats their results with a large degree of skepticism.

Consider what would have happened if they had waited their turn.  Had they voted on or after Super Tuesday, their results would have been highly significant.  Indeed, had they voted in Late March or early April, they may well have been crucial in determining the nominee.

The turnout in these states was pitifully small.  In only 5 states  -- Michigan, Florida plus the GOP strongholds of Utah, Arizona and Alabama (I'm not sure about Alaska), did more voters participate in the Republican primary or caucus than in the Democratic.  Had Florigan held sanctioned Democratic primaries, many more voters would have participated.

How many?  Well, consider that in the Great Lakes states of Illinois, Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin, 18.1% of the total population voted in the Demo. primary.  Had this percentage turned out in Michigan, then 1.2 million ADDITIONAL voters would have appeared.  In the Outer South states of North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia, 13.6% voted Dem.  Had 13.6% done so in Florida, then 0.8 million ADDITIONAL voters would have participated.  While nobody can say how many voters would have participated in sanctioned primaries, 2 million additional votes is not an unreasonable estimate.

The politicians in Lansahassee held early primaries in order to increase their influence.  But, instead, they have had zero influence, have depressed turnout, and have given their party a royal headache.  Should any state parties in the future be tempted to follow their example, I hope they will consider the 2008 outcome carefully, draw back, and adhere to an orderly established process.


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I agree 100%. But the primary system needs an overhaul. I'm open to ideas about how we do this for the future but right now so much is predicated on the IA caucus it's ridiculous. If Hillary had taken IA more seriously and actually hired experienced top campaign staff instead of the likes of Solis Doyle and Penn she might have won IA. With her win in NH she would have been unstoppable. That didn't happen this year but it was the plan and in years past this frontloaded system has given us candidates like Kerry who didn't pan out.

Heh. Michida. Florigan. Lansahassee. Cute.

It's obvious the party leaders in those states didn't envision a nomination process lasting as long as this one has! They really screwed up, didn't thay??

Say, do you think the new Dean/Trippi/Obama-style of broad, small-donor fundraising may change the way these nomination contests play out in the future? Think of 2016: what if we have a slate of two or three popular, grassroots-supported, well-financed Democratic candidates who, like Obama did this year, are able to maintain a consistent positive cashflow for the duration of the primary season? That would mean, once again, that more states will have an influential voice in choosing the nominee.

Then the leaders of state Democratic parties would have less incentive to fight over early primary dates.

What are your thoughts?

True, that's obviously an impressive turnout. But you're looking at Democratic turnout compared to previous Democratic turnout in FL, and compared to Democratic turnout in other states.

To support his position, Grossberg is calculating his estimate of Democratic primary turnout based on a percentage of Republican primary turnout. There's no way to prove his position, but it's not a stretch to believe that Florida and Michigan might have had even greater Democratic turnout if their primaries had been sanctioned.

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...but it's not a stretch to believe...

Yeah, actually it is a stretch. If you're not dealing with the facts, it's a stretch. The number of dem FL voters is a fact. No stretch needed.

Not the point, Grumpus! :-p

The point is, if Florida and Michigan had not been punished as they were, even more voters might have turned out. Don't you agree?

Anyway, read my comment a spaces up. I'm hoping we'll have more extended nomination primaries in the future. Take this primary season as an example and envision future Democratic Presidential primaries. I think the bottom line is, Obama, as an insurgent candidate, should not have been able to keep his campaign financed for as long as he did. He was not expected to last after Super Tuesday, largely because his money should have run out by then. But because he had developed such a broad pool of small-dollar donors, he was able to maintain a positive cashflow to continue to challenge the well-established candidate.

Think beyond the temporary rancor of this current primary season: this new model for fundraising will be copied by future candidates and will allow the best ones (if they're truly good quality candidates) to extend their candidacies for months into the primary contests. That would provide opportunities for more and more states to make influential primary votes. That's a great development in Democratic Party politics, don't you think? The longer the candidates can keep their campaigns alive, the better chance we all have to be "heard." It should engage and energize more and more Democratic voters, too, don't you think?

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Please send the above OP to the DNC and tell them:

NO to CLinton plan.

see link
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/act-now-obama-supporters-ive-m.php

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