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The DNC asked candidates to remove their names from MI and FL ballots

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TPMer Pantalla (sp?)  raised this point.  Candidates were asked to remove their names from the ballots ahead of MI and FL illegitimate primaries.  And as I understand it, FL state law prevented Obama from removing his name from the ballot there.  


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DNC rules committee member Garry Shay mentioned that the DNC requested that candidates remove their names from the MI ballot.

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/05/dnc_rules_commi.html

Does anyone else have a confirmation of this?

Gah! You got to this before me. My "Yep" wasn't to you, it was to the post. I'll go fishing for more links.

Yep, and here's a link http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/05/dnc_rules_commi.html

I think this is the juiciest part from California Democratic Party Rules Chair and a member of the important Democratic National Committee Rules Committee,Garry Shay:

"He said the resolution of the Michigan delegates, where all Democratic candidates except Hillary Clinton, took their names off the ballot at the request of the Democratic National Party, was “anybody’s guess.”"

This gets into how Clinton signed a pledge not to campaign (which I think everyone hopefully knows about, but considering the Clinton commentators, maybe not. http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=0853268a-d982-4190-81e8-740ae942f510

So pop that one out the next time you hear someone say "Well Obama TOOK HIS NAME OFF!!!LOL!"

Answer: Yeah, he did. Because he was asked to be the DNC.

Okay, so I got tired of looking for links and just called up the DNC. Someone there told me that the DNC did infact send something like an informal request for candidates to take their name off the ballot. I asked if names had remained on the ballot in FL because they ran out of time, but the person I talked to said "No, that was just a campaign strategy. For one reason or the other". However, I did get this from someone in the campaign contributions department. I did try to use the other number but the first person I was sent to was out to lunch and then the second was out until next wednesday. But I encourage you to try.


202-863-8000
(For questions about contributions, please call 877-336-7200)

My understanding about FL is that FL wouldn't let them take their names off the ballot.

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It wasn't a rule -- it was a request and New Hampshire broke the agreement as to scheduling that Michigan and Florida agreed to and New Hampshire was given a waiver and Michigan and Florida voters got stiffed.

One DNC member at least personally asked Obama to keep his name on the ballot -- he complained that he would lose in Michigan.

Pelosi thinks that there would be years of damage if the Supre-delegates over turn the pledged delegates. That is nothing to what will happen if the Democrats ignore the will of the majority of voters. She says there is a process for choosing pledged delegates that needs to be respected ---well, the process also chooses super-delegates who have the right to vote their conscience and see that the Democratic Party picks an candidate who reflects the popular vote and who can win.

At face value, both of the articles that you cite are misleading and not very clear, but in a strange way, revealing.

He was more predictive of the Florida delegation, which he said, based on putting bits and pieces of information together, would be seated, each with a one-half vote. He said the resolution of the Michigan delegates, where all Democratic candidates except Hillary Clinton, took their names off the ballot at the request of the Democratic National Party, was “anybody’s guess.”

Is the part about the DNC requiring everyone to remove their names from the ballot in MI the writer's voice or Shay's voice? The only phrase quoted from Shays is "anybody's guess"
My understanding is that the state committees from Iowa and NH requested the candidates to remove the names from the ballot to protest against MI. Obama made a political choice to remove his name to appease Iowa and NH. Your next citation suggests as much.


COURTING VOTERS in Iowa and New Hampshire, last August Sen. Hillary Clinton signed a pledge not to "campaign or participate" in the Michigan or Florida Democratic primaries. She participated in both primaries and is campaigning in Florida. Which proves, again, that Hillary Clinton is a liar.

Clinton coldly and knowingly lied to New Hampshire and Iowa. Her promise was not a vague statement. It was a signed pledge with a clear and unequivocal meaning.

First, this writer brings up a promise that Clinton made to Iowa and NH. But Hillary never promised to remove her name from the ballot. The writer continues and incorrectly accuses Hillary of campaigning in FL. If anyone campaigned in Fl. or even MI, it was Obama, with his ads in FL and with his camp requesting voters in MI to vote uncommitted.

There is nothing in either links which makes your case.

As far as I know, Hillary agreed with the DNC to not campaign in MI and FL. Which she didn't. Hillary did not accept the state committees from Iowa and NH's request to remove her name from the MI ballot. Obama and Edwards did. No such request was made for FL. And no one removed their names.

oops, put the block quotes in the wrong place...oh well.

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I'm waiting to hear back from the DNC about this. I understand that whether he was asked to take his name off the ballot or whether he did it on his own doesn't matter, since the primary was disqualified before it was even held.

I also understand that the four-state agreement was a pledge not to campaign or PARTICIPATE in any primary that was moved ahead of Iowa, N.H., South Carolina, and Nevada.


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So the DNC made a silly request and one of the candidates recognized it as idiotic and responded appropriately. The other made a mistake.

The DNC does not make the rules for seating the delegates. The convention does. Those are the rules. They always have been the rules.

The DNC cannot disqualify any delegation, every decision by the DNC is subject to being overturned at the convention.

If team Obama want to be rules wonks than they need to actually read and understand the dynamics of the convention.

The delegation was always going to be seated. Obama's refusal to participate in MI and FL was no great act of moral courage either, he knew Hilary would win those states and wanted to do whatever he could to disenfranchise those votes.

The rules are the rules and the rules are that any candidate with 15% on the rules committee can bring a minority report to the floor and there is no way that the convention is going to block a motion to seat delegates elected in a democratic contest that both candidates had an equal opportunity to participate in.

The dynamics of the process are that Obama does not need to exclude the delegates. Ergo there will be an agreement to seat the delegation. But even if that put him behind in the pledged delegate count it would still be a mistake to resist.

Hilary's only real chance at winning the nomination would be if there was a floor fight over seating the delegations. Obama would then loose that fight because superdelegates are not going to vote to deny seating the delegations just to give NH and Iowa their happies. The superdelegates have political reasons to court FL and MI independent of this contest. Besides which they get to split their ticket and claim they backed both sides.

Hilary might just be able to carry the momentum from that win to carry the convention.

Its a long shot but its the only one she has.

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This is totally a Lucy move to pull the football just before the game winning field goal kick.
"Hey look there's a loop hole for US to win"...
After being robbed of our choice for President twice in a row, what do you think the reaction would be this time???
Hillary, go away please.

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