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Sweetie?

At least he figured out he'd better get on record as having apologized.

My mind boggles at the thought of the "What if Hillary had saids" we could make out of that "Sweetie."

And Obama has a habit of calling people Sweetie?

I wonder how Axlerod and the other guys feel about being called Sweetie?

I wouldn't mind it myself, as long as he patted me on the ass when he said it.


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It just pisses me off. Imagine. Just imagine. Where is the progressive blogosphere on this one? The reader blogs proclaiming him a misogynist?

You're reading one. Except that Billy has a sense of humor and doesn't "proclaim" a lot.

Be informed, watch the news clip, and judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4STLISLdxi4

Ouch. It gets worse every time I see it.

There's a consequence of all of this that I pointed out below. A consequence that other Obama fans are apparently not ready to face because they're just too gripped with fear over what this scandal could do to the Obama campaign. But face it we must.

This ends any hope of getting Hillary to run as Obama's veep. As a champion of feminism, Hillary can't afford to have herself tainted by being associated with a man who doesn't respect women.

If Obama gets through this with no worse consequences than losing the chance to have Hillary as a running mate, he'll have gotten off easy. He'll have gotten off easy indeed.

I just hope that the concession speech he gives over this will bring all the sweeties in the Democratic party together.

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Are rabbitsmorgasbord and presidentraygun the same person? You sure look alike.

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It's not that this should be a big deal, sweetie. It's just that it isn't a big deal when Hillary having a sneezing fit on TV sets the blogosphere aflame.

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"hardworking white Americans" is not a "sneeze". It's representative of a concerted effort to marginalize Obama as the scary black guy, going back to her surrogates before NH.

Show me where Obama has made a concerted effort to demean and marginalize women voters -- ever.

Frankly, feminists should be more outraged over "obliterate Iran" than "sweetie".

That's the opinion of this 58 year old, white female feminist. Who has been more appalled by Hillary's tactics, race-baiting and overt use of her affirmative action attached to her famous name.

Happy birthday, Sweetie! We'd better get that name changed. Wouldn't want people to think you're lying about your age.

Happy birthday.

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Oh, the laugh you provided to me, 57andfemale. You are one of the most reactionary posters on here!

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I'm female, almost 60, wildly feminist and totally in agreement with you. He apologized, it's over.
Someone further down mentions having daughters and being used to using names like honey etc. I've certainly found myself doing that with the main people I work with who happen to be young, smart, ambitious and totally wonderful women. It's embarrassing, but luckily, they just laugh and forgive me.
I'm more focussed on what Obama does while in office than what he calls a reporter. If I see policies that go against equal rights for women, then you'll hear me start yelling.

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Obama was the one making phony charges of racebaiting primarily by proclaiming that gaffes of middleaged white men were part of a deliberate campaign plan by Hillary. This in the face of the fact that such a strategy was an obvious loser in the Democratic Primaries. I guess he thought that Hillary got to Biden really early.

About the sweetie remark -- it is what is known in poker as a tell -- involuntarily revealing what the speaker is actually thinking.

Sweetie an affectionate diminutive used by men to women, women to men, women to women, and adults to children. It is not used by men who respect women to an adult professional woman doing her job. And if it is used, any apology must recognize that it caries this implied infantilizaiton of the professional woman involved. Obama's so-called apology shows that he simply didn't get it.

Did he really expect us to believe that he uses that term for all sort of people? Men, for example?

Go back and read his book the Audacity of Hope -- you will learn that he thought it was really cute that his wife gave up her big career plans to marry him, that he left the burden of running the household to her even though she decided to continue her career (understandably she got very angry -- he reprots eing baffled as to why)that he began his courtship of her by inducing her to violate her law firm's norm of not having supervisors involved with their underlings (Does anyone know if that law firm made Michelle an offer or not? Did he wreck her chances there?) and that there are three references to women's issues in the index and then you are referred to the entries for family.

What outstanding stands did he take on women's issue you ask?

p26: [Obama was talking to an old codger who had]"airbrushed out of the picture... the absence of women and minorities in the halls of power."


p27: "Beyond that the party cultivated a certain
live-and-let-live philosophy: a philosophy anchored in acquiesence toward or active promotion of racial oppression in the South; a philosophy that depended on a broader culture in which certin norms -- the nature of sexuality , say, or the role of women -- were largely unquestioned; a culture that did not yet possess the vocabulary to force discomfort, much less political dispute, around such issues.

p36: "The victories which the sixties generation brought about -- the admission of minorites and women into full citizenship, the strengthening of individual liberties and the healthy willingness to question authority -- have made America a better place for all its citizens. But what has been lost in the processs, and has yet to be replaced, are those shared assumptions -- that quality of trust and fellow feeling -- that brings us together as Americans."

He can lip synch -- it is not at all clear that he can walk the walk -- he's just not nice enough.

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Interesting comment, AJM. Thanks for putting it together.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone pull out quotes from one of Barack's books. I haven't read his books, but I see he's the master of the run-on sentence in writing as in speaking. At least in these passages.

I find it curious that Barack isn't particularly feminist, yet he was raised by a single mother who had a career, and who was named Stanley because her father had wanted a boy.

I didn't read them either, but it seems both his mother and his grandmother were the really strong people in his life, yet he eulogizes the missing father and his grandfather. Someone who's read more can tell me if I missed it with this synopsis.

And at least Obama apologized to the reporter. Clinton has yet apologized for her "working, HARD working white people" remark. The closet she came to an apology was agreeing with Rangel that it was a dumb thing to say. That's not an apology.

**Awwww. Sweetie. That's so cute. It's also a consequence of having two small daughters. (Of course, I won't admit to doing it because I can't remember their NAMES.)

I have two small daughters and I'm much more prone to using overly cute names because of them. Imagine a Potions Professor adding "ie" to basic words such as "brush", "drink", .... it's pathetic!

I am a mom and not so long ago my boss said something to me and I said "What hon?". I apologized and he knew that I wasn't being inappropriate. I'm very used to frequently using terms like hon, sweetie, boo, etc.

For Chrissakes, it's not like an all out lie or anything.

I'm also the dad of two young girls, just a bit younger than Obama's. If anything, I think him slipping and calling someone sweetie (who it looked to me that he was pretty distracted when he said it) could even be example of a Dad that is actively involved in the parenting of his kids. Which is what feminists (male and female) have been fighting for - equality and parity of the sexes in all of life's responsibilities and rewards.

I can understand how women over 50 might here a man use the term Sweetie and think it harkens back to a time when secretaries, waitresses, and stewardesses were eye candy for the male power structure. But for a dad of Barack's and my generation, especially one who is married to a woman with a successful career, I think the most reasonable explanation is he often uses the term as an active parent to his two wonderful daughters (Obama 51, and Obama 52?, ala Bush 41 and Bush 43?)

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Be informed

Ironic, coming from an Obamanaut.

:) I have to go, gasket. Don't let them comment behind my back.

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Got ya covered.

Okay, I saw the clip. I almost laughed when I first heard about it. I was raised on a farm and my father had a very large operation with about 30 hired hands in the summer. He worked very hard to not lose his temper with the young men so one of the things he would do was call them "honey" when he was getting annoyed. He also did this with his children. I got really amused when I found myself doing the same thing later in life. And the term is not gender specific. As I have gotten older I have learned there are much more important things to fight about than people calling me sweetie. But I am glad he apoligized.

Yes, he is the most evil, horrific sexist in the history of the United States and the press should be covering this 24/7 to the exclusion of all other stories because if Hillary ever called anyone "sweetie," that's certainly what they would do.

You mean like Rev. Wright?

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Yeah - a real misogynist. I guess he keeps Samantha Power around to grab her sweet Irish ass whenever he feels randy.

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Yes, all of us have certain mannerisms and sayings we unconsciously use in our everyday interactions. John McCain is always saying "my friends", for example. Hillary likes to strongly nod her head whenever she makes a point she wants you to agree with.

Other people like to place their hand on your shoulder or arm when they taking to you. It doesn't mean they are sexually harassing you. Its just a mannerism.

"Sweetie", is a term of endearment, or of informal cordiality. You obviously are hoping that it instead betrays some kind of sexist condescension by Obama.

Is this really to be the last refuge of Clinton supporters, intimating that sexism is the reason behind her losing to Obama?

I don't really see a huge difference between this and Clinton's recent "white Americans" gaffe. They both misspoke (and have both admitted it), and they need to be more careful with their words.

Like it or not, but calling a female "sweetie" will get you in trouble in a lot of places.

From my experiences travelling throuh the Midwest, it's Midwestern diner talk. It's what truckers and waitresses say to each other, you know, the common people. This is another example of Obama getting slammed for being a regular kind of guy by the elitists.

Next week in some unforseen incident, probably for coming off as cold and aloof and too formal to some service industy worker, Obama will again get slammed by the common people for being an elitist.

Oh, I'm aware of that. It's just midwestern-diner speak that he needs to avoid. As Desidero points out, we wouldn't care for a casual usage of "boy" towards Obama, even though it can also be used in an innocent manner. We all need to be conscious of how what we say can be taken the wrong way, and that goes doubly for politicians.

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Ben, maybe so. But I hope that you recognize this for what it is, in this case. A last ditch attempt by Clinton supporters to rally her female base by suggesting sexism by Obama.

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Yes, blame Clinton for it. She forced Obama to call the reporter "sweetie", she forced the reporter to run the comment on the news and she is the one who hasn't reported on it in the national news.

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BevD,

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said Clinton supporters. Such as, Billy. I did not say Clinton.

Don't get your panties in a wad, Sweetie. I'm wondering what the Obama Senate Office is like. Sweetie here. Honey there. Get me a cup of coffee, Sweetie. Who knew Obama would be capable of that kind of patronizing talk to a member of the press? And as far as desperate goes, we're not going desperately low yet. We can go a lot lower when our desperate backs are against the wall. We can start resenting those Midwestern comments. What are you guys saying? We cling to our terms of endearment?

Who does Obama think he is? Charlie Wilson?

Exactly. And I don't know if it's true, but the best moment for me in the film about Charlie's war is when the women suddenly turn out to be super competent and kick ass professional in a crisis. Looks and brains. That's what's gotten me by all these years.

**Whew. I thought you'd put up a bigger fight. Wimpy white guy.

This is one of the most trivial threads yet, and that's saying something this year.

It's the calm before the storm.

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It isn't anything like "midWestern diner talk". It was a dismissive remark made to shut her up, it was insulting, he apologized for it and I am pretty damned certain he won't do it again. Let's not make it into something it is not.

I'm guessing that you haven't bothered to watch the actual video clip.

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Yes I watched it. That's why it was so insulting. It was dismissive and condescending. I didn't like it, the reporter certainly didn't like it, and obviously the station she worked for didn't like it either. Obama apologized, which he should have done.

Good, then you saw how rude and presumptuous the reporter was being as she tried to interrupt Obama while he was trying to pay attention to his hosts that were showing him the car that the factory had produced. Color me unsurprised that you would take the side of the rude and angry woman, though.

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That's a reporter's job, for Christ's sake! You're so used to a docile, roll over press who phones it in that when a reporter is aggressive you think it's "bad manners". It's no wonder the Bush administration has gotten away with the shit it's pulled for eight years.

**You guys have much better ears. I couldn't hear the "sweetie." Just the snotty remarks by the reporter. I'm not saying he didn't say it, I just couldn't hear more than "sshhweee."

I can't bring myself to watch it. If I watch it, I'll have to admit I saw it. This way I can always say I know Obama has said some controversial things, but I never heard them myself.

How could you blog here 16 years and never once hear anything like that? If it had been my blogmaster, I would have gotten up and walked out. Unless I was Blue Dude, then I would have kind of slithered or skated. You are the same as Blue Dude, right? Oh wait, no, you're the same as me. This is confusing, my head will explode.

It kinda looks like it already has.

Well, I was a "Midwestern" waitress (not sure what Midwestern has to do with it, it's national in my estimation, but if you require it, that's where I was) part time for 9 years in my misspent yud, in a pretty rough after-hours joint, because it was good money.

If people really want to get into the sophisticated linguistics of waitress-talk and "hon" and "sweetie," rather than just spout the usual p.c. on such stuff, I'd be interested.

It's about power. When you're in the restaurant, you're seated, the waitress sees it like this: is standing and in full control of what you get, you are on her turf, you're like the baby, she's like the adult. You only think you have power over her and only think she is a servant. She calls you "hon" or "sweetie" to let you know this in an underhanded sort of way, a way it's not easy for you to get mad about, because it has double-meaning.

It's not for nothing that this sort of talk is not sanctioned in better restaurants. In better restaurants, waitpersons must act as servants, and the customers are the clear masters.

I don't know what was in Obama's mind when he used it, but it's pretty clear he recognized this meaning afterwards.

Big picture, though, this is a silly post as to presidential politics, Billy Glad, because it's no big deal, because he is bound to get ornery and much more outrageous with some press persons in the future, all presidential candidates and presidents do, it's a foregone thing, it's going to happen, the press baits and baits and the target finally gets angry, and even the most outrageous examples are forgiven because it's expected. Reagan was the only one I can think of that escaped a lot of this because he avoided half of the chances by acting deaf, and for the other half he would babble in a friendly manner, not really answering any questions directly--one devious old coot he was.

I've reached an age where waitresses and sales people call me "dear" and what you're saying sounds true.

I don't know if it's silly or not. I think the silly thing is we're about to turn the country over to a freshman Senator who spent his first term running for office. So I count as his experience college, law school, some neighborhood organizing, running for the State Senate, serving in the State Senate and running for US Senator before running for President. And we really think this person is ready to govern America. I call that silly.

Welcome to the new paradigm Billy. Obama is Google, Hillary is Microsoft. In the new world, experience isn't all it's cracked up to be. An upstart teenager in a garage can change the world nowadays and being an expert in the old ways of doing things is a handicap. Vision, innovation and competence are key. Obama is rebranding the Democratic party and leading the party in his direction while Hillary is still using the same messages, like a retired general always fighting the last war. He may have spent his whole career “running for office” but he has run an effective campaign and bested Hillary Clinton at that game despite her numerous initial advantages.

If I remember, George W. wasn’t vastly experienced but didn’t exactly lack it. It was conveniently forgotten that his experiences were often tinged with failure. Unfortunately, Hillary is that candidate in this election – see healthcare.

Sorry about the double posting sweetie!

That's not a problem. But I'm going to sneak something serious in here, hoping you'll be the only one who notices. Nobody makes it without a mentor. I've had a couple. One of them was Bob Bullock, who was also a mentor to you know who. So you know who really did have a lot more experience governing when he ran for President than Obama has had. And he had, in my opinion, some very first rate mentoring. When I look at Obama, I can't quite figure out who his mentors are. Any idea? I think a list of Obama's mentors would be a very fascinating list. Here are some possibilities. Axelrod, Daschle, Jackson, Kennedy, Kerry, Wright, Michelle Obama.


So obviously you realize that one can fail spectacularly despite experience and mentoring...

Being community-focused rather than individual focused, I don't think Obama is really a mentoree but more of a liminal figure. Obama has a special kind of experience with his background as a community organizer. If you really think about the skills developed in that role, tell me that might not be exactly the skills that America needs in their president to make it a better place. Obama is a risk, but isn't that what it's all about - if we didn't dare to take risks, that would make us conservatives, by definition.

I might agree if I didn't think the executive branch was so badly broken.

What Bush and Rove were very good at was using the office to extend the power of the office and the power of the candidate. But, while they learned that from a Democrat, they used it as Republicans, to politicize and destroy that part of the executive branch that knits and mends the social fabric. Until 9/11, Bush and Rove were headed for a one-term smash and grab Presidency that knee-capped as much of the Democratic program as possible while enriching the Bush base of wealthy Americans as much as possible. But 9/11 made it possible for Bush to play President in the only role sanctioned by the Republican orthodoxy: Commander In Chief. Suddenly, he had a real war to fight. For a Republican bent on destroying social programs, nothing could be better. As Reagan demonstrated, you can use the defense budget to destroy social programs. Getting the government of the United States back into business is going to take skill and perseverance. I imagine someone like Lincoln would be up to it. About someone like Obama, I'm not so sure.

Hey, I've just figured it out. You're really the Big Dog, aren't you? Ha! Posting here to defend the wife and have a chance to blast Obama anonymously.

You rascal, you. That's pretty cool.

Welcome to the new paradigm Billy. Obama is Google, Hillary is Microsoft. In the new world, experience isn't all it's cracked up to be. An upstart teenager in a garage can change the world nowadays and being an expert in the old ways of doing things is a handicap. Vision, innovation and competence are key. Obama is rebranding the Democratic party and leading the party in his direction while Hillary is still using the same messages, like a retired general always fighting the last war. He may have spent his whole career “running for office” but he has run an effective campaign and bested Hillary Clinton at that game despite her numerous initial advantages.

If I remember, George W. wasn’t vastly experienced but didn’t exactly lack it. It was conveniently forgotten that his experiences were often tinged with failure. Unfortunately, Hillary is that candidate in this election – see healthcare.

I think you're confusing campaigning with governing, not that some of the marketing tricks might not carry over.

I think you're confusing campaigning with governing, not that some of the marketing tricks might not carry over.

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ha!

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ha!

As in, "more coffee, hon?" If you've ever waited tables, you know that everyone is "hon" and "sweetie." Everyone. But outside of $25,000 a year or 12 years old, it's insulting.

It was a gaffe, for sure. And most importantly, it's the only new thing they've got going for them that might sway the superdelegates toward Hillary. The same old bogus arguments projecting from primary results to general election results haven't swayed the superdels. The bogus demographic arguments based on ignoring margins of error, over-generalization, and general hyperventilating expressions of "concern" haven't swayed the superdels. Rumors that Obama is a secret muslim (I take him at his word that he isn't, as far as we know) didn't do the trick. The Wright spectacle didn't derail him, not even the second time it somehow came up. Wins in Pennsylvania and West Virginia didn't slow the flow of superdelegates to Obama, much less turn things around so she has a chance at winning the race for pledged delegates.

But it's not over. They now have sweetie-gate.

In the interest of giving Hillary every possible chance, I've rec'ed every post so far that mentions sweetie-gate in the title. It was clearly a gaffe, a moment of political incorrectness, and there's no point in hiding it.

Obama supporters need to face up to this. Do we want a presidential candidate who would call a reporter "sweetie," who admits that this is a bad habit (we don't yet know how long he's had this habit, but I'm sure the press will hound him until we get the answer we deserve to that important question), and most importantly, for all we know might slip up again in the general campaign and call someone else sweetie?

If this is the issue that gets the superdelegates to swarm to Hillary, then so be it.

Maybe Obama has a secret Muslim sweetie!

Didn't she "misspeak" about this more than once; and hasn't McAuliffe said the same thing?

BTW, I believe the MSM has been more than kind to Hillary. They have ignored most everything from the Clinton years related to Bill and cover ups.

Hmmm. I thought Hillary did that when she was telling a lie.

Seriously, "Sweetie" would not be offensive in much of the USA; and it certainly isn't ANYTHING like talking about the importance of WHITE voters over other voters. I'm a white voter; but I was offended by that one.

When you are in a diner/restaurant/cafe and the waitress brings your coffee/pie/lunch and says "Here you go, hon" (honey), does that make you mad, too?

I'm reminded of a guy who was referred to a lawyer for some legal matter and when he came to the office he asked the woman who met him at the door to bring him a cup of coffee. She pleasantly brought him one, and being the lawyer billed him $500 for her services. But yes, I think you're right - in strip clubs they also use "honey" and "sugar" quite a lot. Why get bitter?

Hey, just think, if Hillary is the VP candidate Obama can give her free backrubs. Bush only got to do that with Rice and Merkel.

It's the same type of language that is used in urban restaurants, like those on the South Side of Chicago. I'll bet that when Bill-O went to that famous restaurant (Martha's?) in Harlem, he got called "sweetie" or "hon" as well. You guys are piling on Obama for using the common language of regular people. Congrats.

Even regular people know that there's a time and a place. If they were on the campaign plane, and Barack said, "There are more seats in front, hon," that's not dismissive. "More seats in front, sweetie" . . . still not dismissive, though this time I'd hope that Michelle is on the same plane.

If she's asking a question, it's a professional context, and it's not the place for the same language.

I'll agree that it's not perfectly PC, but have you watched the video? It's hardly an earth-shattering utterance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4STLISLdxi4

Not earth shattering? Not earth shattering??? You're whistling past the graveyard, my friend.

Not a single superdelegate has endorsed Obama since the "sweetie-gate" story broke. I think they're all holding back to see if he can survive it. Edwards must be kicking himself right now for having such unfortunate timing with his endorsement.

This is it, friends. If Obama survives this scandal, he'll have the nomination easily. But if not, then ... well, some things are just too depressing to think about.

If he does get the nomination then one consequence is that Hillary will be unable to accept the veep offer. She can't afford to have herself tainted by being associated with a man who doesn't respect women.

Wait a second . . . my snarkdar is tingling.

I would agree with both of y'all that it's not a huge deal.

I mean, it's not like starting a war of aggression against a nation of brown-skinned people.

But I will say, it sounded kind of flippant and obnoxious.

I thought it was likable enough.

Ah yes, the scandal the Clintons have been waiting for: Sweetie-gate.

Hey Billy, I'm getting ready to go on vacation next week. Long road trip. Memorial Day is just around the corner, and I see gas is up to about 4 bucks around here. How's that gas tax holiday coming?

10 days and counting...

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Depends on which state you live in. Some states are enacting a gas tax holiday for the summer.

I'm referring to the temporary lift of the federal, not state, tax that was proposed recently.

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I know. I thought it was unnecessarily obnoxious.

I can forgive her if she tells me what that body of water in the background is. Maine? Pacific Northwest? Looks cold and dreary. Looks like she's just turning away from the beach as the Obama and its crew of Obamanauts sails away toward the edge of the world. What is she thinking?

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You're right, Billy. I was harsh. A gaffe on my part. Gimme her phone number so I can call and apologize.

Could be she's on the deck of the Titanic trying to remember the words to that damn Celine Dion song. Or else trying to spot dolphins off of Santa Catalina. What the hell, how can people tell so much from a 64pixel picture - "she's stressed, her car needs a tune-up, she once went to a carny and dreamt of being a trapeze artist, there's still remnants of an oil spill in the distance, she should have taken more dramamine and she laid out her lobster traps wrong". Am I close?

If it's the Pacific North West, she might be digging for gooey ducks. I hope it's Maine, though. She could be a pettycoat whaler.

You nailed the trapeze artist bit.

1 out of 6 ain't bad, I think.

It might be the Sound. I think I recognize the slope of Long Island in the distance, but it really could be anywhere.

She just seems lonely. Like the Obamanauts sailed without her. And a cold front or a storm is coming in.

I sent myself on the deep open sea
with only a boat and that small troop of men,
my friends, who never had abandoned me.
(26:100)

Well, it's definitely not Jones Beach. Not enough pepsi cans.

Looks like a Pacific sunset along the northern California coastline to me, maybe Northwest coast?

I'm thinking PNW or Maine. Hoping to hear it's Maine. Those women know what it's like to wait for the men to come home from a dangerous voyage.

She seems so vulnerable. It makes we want to call her ... you know .... Sweetie.

Nah. Ship's anchored in the bay. They're unloading it now. Storm passed us and blew out to sea. Sun's rising on a new day. I'm not turning away, but turning to greet you. Took you longer to get there since you came by land. Those are tears of joy in my eyes. I wasn't sure you'd make it.