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Sexism doesn't put Senator Clinton's life at risk.

Apparently, Robert Kennedy Jr. wants us to back off Senator Clinton's comments about assassination.  He's not offended, so why should we be?


Well, with all due respect, Mr. Kennedy...this wasn't all about you, and it wasn't all about your Father (partly, but not all).  The idea that was let loose was bigger than that, and needs to be dealt with.  You and Senator Clinton need to understand why what she said did the damage it did.


The good news is that I don't think I or anyone else has to tell Clinton supporters that her statements of May 23rd were just flat out wrong.  The one's I've talked to, and read about on this site and others at least get that.  They don't need to be shamed or cowed into admissions they've already made.


But they need to back off any notion about this being harmless.


Now, there has been sexism in this campaign.  (It's hard to call a Hillary nutcracker for sale anything else).  While I would vigorously debate that any of it's come from the Obama campaign, I have to cop to the idea that outsiders have thrown some serious gender-biased mud into the ring.  I would hope that Clinton supporters, the honest, open-hearted ones that I know are out there would also acknowledge the genuine and hurtful racist and racially divisive commentary that has been dropped into the public sphere.


(But for the record, Sean Wilentz can go to hell.)


The idea that sexism alone is the reason for Senator Clinton's downfall in the Campaign is, to put it mildly, delusional.  There are many genuine political reasons why her candidacy is coming in second.  There are also better posts elsewhere on this site and others to make that case.


But for all the calls of sexism and gender bias that are out there, there is one big, whopping difference between what has been happening to Senator Clinton and what is happening to Senator Obama.


Sexism is not putting Senator Clinton's life at risk.


Senator Clinton is a former first lady.  She bears the Clinton last name.  She has taken positions in the past that some find not only offensive, but dangerous...if you're among the lunatic fringe.  There are people out there that will do her harm.  For all those reasons, the deserves and needs the protection of the Secret Service.


But, it's taken a while for Senator Clinton to get to this point.


It took Senator Obama about a nanosecond.


He just started to think about being President, and the death threats started to come.


Now, why do you think that is?  His platform?  Or the color of his skin?


He received Secret Service protection earlier than any candidate in history.  I'm sure it's a record that he and Michelle wish they hadn't broken.


The first conversation every African-American had about Senator Obama was right to the point:  "Is he going to survive this?", or more to the point "are they going to let him."


"They" is such a wonderful word in this instance, wonderful and telling.


Consider the 1960s, the Civil Rights era, and the progress that was made in that decade (progress that the Clintons helped fight for as students).  That period changed everything.  Looking back, it was change for the better, but it came with a cost.


Four of the people most responsible for that change, our champions, John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert F. Kennedy, four of Black America's staunchest allies...all murdered in the space of five years.


Not just died.  Murdered, lost to assassins bullets.


Granted, these were not the only deaths in the Civil Rights era, and these were not African-America's only champions.  But when it comes to the change that was sweeping the nation, there were no bigger names than these.  The death of any one would have been devastating, two doubly so.


But four?  After four, you start to see a hand in all this.


No, the kind of hand that Oliver Stone might make a movie out of.  This is more subtle than that.  I'm talking about the hand of society, the fingers of a collective consciousness deciding that enough was enough; that too much had been given to African-Americans, too much had changed, and it had to stop...


Thus, Jack, Malcolm, Martin and Bobby.


That is the "they" I'm talking about.


Is this real?  Is this something I can prove?  No.  Then again, that's the beauty of racism.  It's very nature is that of paranoia.  It's presence is constant.  It's power is strongest, especially when it's just lurking out of sight in the corner of your eye.


Now take that fear I've described, and think about how we see Senator Obama.


This man, this African-American man, could very well be the next President of the United States.  This man who is talking about bringing change to Washington, and the way we do business.  We've already entered into this campaign afraid.  The sight of the massive crowd at the rally in Portland, while awe inspiring, didn't exactly make me feel any better.


It is already in the back of our heads that he can be taken away from us, that "they" might do something.  And listening to some of the voters in West Virginia and Kentucky...we know that "they" are out there, two-legged, hard-nosed, flesh and blood.  We know that rage is starting to boil up in some segments of our society...and all the man did was run for President.


Thus, we come Senator Clinton.


Maybe if Governor Huckabee hadn't made his idiotic comments at the NRA Convention, maybe if we had all given the first comment she made about RFK's Assassination on March 6th more attention, this wouldn't have stung.  But put these three comments together, and...well, it's not exactly a mountain of evidence, but you start to wonder.


I cannot and will not ascribe ill feelings or dark desires to what Senator Clinton said.  Let me be clear.  She is NOT desiring, or wishing the death of Senator Obama.  While this wasn't malice, or done by design, this was no slip of the tongue.


There are things said in the course of Campaigns, hardcore calculations that are said behind closed meeting room doors, that would turn your hair grey to hear them spoken aloud.  In the hands of Campaign professionals, when they are finally let out into the world, they are usually rendered palatable.


But what Hillary Clinton said...wasn't a wish, it was something she's been trying to tell us delusional Obama supporters, since ol' Virginny all but ended her chances.


She does not believe that a black man can be elected President in this country, under any circumstances.  Period.  The failure to recognize that will cost Democrats the White House.


They've been trying to say it for the longest time, but can't quite bring themselves to say it out loud, or directly.  The more they try not to say it, the more ridiculous they sound.  The more we resist, the angrier they get.


Finally, last Friday, May 23rd, it came out.  Honest and true.


"They" won't let you have him, you're gonna have to pick me anyway.


No.  We don't.


We have picked our Nominee, and we will run with him.


We have found our Candidate, and we will vote for him.


We have found our President, and...we, as a movement will go door to door if we have to, but we're going to convince American's we're right, and see Senator Obama sworn in.


(And yes, that was an "American President" reference.)


It is time we stood for what and in who we believe.  It is time for us not to cower in fear anymore.  I'm tired on this country quaking on its knees while bad Big Brother stands over us, claiming to keep us safe.  All they've done is cast a shadow, and screw everything else up in the process.


One way or the other, we are going to elect the President we deserve.  And mind you West Virginia and Kentucky, mind you Appalachia, you have a choice here too.


You can stand with the black man who actually does have your economic interests at heart, or the white man who doesn't.


I am sure there are scores of white folks out there who in their own racism would rather destroy themselves.


Fortunately, there are way more of us, than them.


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"We have picked our Nominee, and we will run with him.
We have found our Candidate, and we will vote for him....
You can stand with the black man who actually does have your economic interests at heart, or the white man who doesn't..."
Great post. Are you a speech writer? If not, consider it.

I'm actually an amateur screenwriter. But Dialouge is my thing.

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You're also a fucking moron.

C'mon. You can do better than that...

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You're right! I can do better. But you're not worth it because you're trolling:

Sexism doesn't put Senator Clinton's life at risk.

Do you even know what sexism means? Other people do.

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Axelrod Nixonland and Company.

I think you have gone from being 'ready to blow'... to 'blown'.

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All Obama people can do is comment on avatars and nicknames.

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readytoblowagasket IS READY! TO BLOW AGASKET ON DAY ONE!!!

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Eat shit and die.

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I thought you were banned. I'll have to write to Josh again.

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Have Josh change your diaper while he's at it.

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Hillary's RFK comments don't put Obama's life at risk. If you have an argument that proves otherwise, let's hear it.

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Hillary purposely stirs up racist sentiment in an attempt to get the vote to break down along racial lines as much as possible. The greater that racist sentiment, the more likely someone acts on it as a way to "save" America from Obama.

Hillary's comments and actions the last 4 months don't necessarily put Obama's life at risk - but they DO tend to put it at greater risk.

It's all about investing in Obama's failure. However that must come about...

Hillary's comments and actions the last 4 months don't necessarily put Obama's life at risk - but they DO tend to put it at greater risk.

Utter BS. Logically fallacious: how can you put something "at greater risk" without "necessarily" putting it at risk?

Worse, it's the standard Obama-bot canard of blaming someone else for everything wrong in their campaign or their country.

Barack Obama is a self-important ball of fluff. He'll certainly be a better president than the current moon unit, simply because he's smarter. But 98% of his campaign promises are just that -- campaign promises. I don't expect him to do anything more as president than he has done during the campaign -- work his yap.

And I expect all you finger-pointers to be pointing at everyone but the candidate when his presidency falls flat. And exactly how is that "change you can believe in"? It looks just like the same old evasion of responsibility to me.

Thanks.

mp

Self-important ball of fluff? Careful about what you write when gazing into the mirror...

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Utter BS. Logically fallacious: how can you put something "at greater risk" without "necessarily" putting it at risk?

Yeah! And how can eating a bowl of ice cream lead to weight gain without actually making you obese?

If eating a tub of ice cream a day will make you obese, then so will eating a spoonful!

It may be my fault if I didn't make it clear enough in the piece, but I never said Senator Clinton is putting Senator Obama's life at risk, nor do I agree that was even remotely her aim.

I think Senator Clinton has made a Political calculation that a black man will never be elected, either by the vote...or other, more diabolical means. Therefore, she stays in the race because she sees herself as the only possible winning alternative for Democrats.

And of course, I think that notion's a load of horse%$@#%.

(Yeah, I know people cuss on this page, but it's more fun to type the #@$%$ and stuff).

I feel that exposing this idea, lending it legitimacy, putting its stink into the wind, picking at that scab is the height of cynical Politics. I don't even think Turd Blossom would've touched this with a ten foot pole. And look at the result, we have Liz Trotta on Fixed News making jokes about taking them both out.

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your post and its lamentations about the standard operating procedure of politics indicates a sure grasp of the obvious

hillary said something horrible, in some fashion form or wretched interpretations, so now she is somehow hurting the precious feelings of sensitive people.

well, i was 18 years old when bobby was running for president in 1968 i was for him though his true chances were dicy, it was in june and it is not something anyone brings up in anyway intentionally to incite or even hint at incitement of something most heinous..

campaigns are hard, they are long, getting longer, and they are tough, and tougher than they were 15 years ago, the dynamics have changed with the internet.

obsessing over misinterpretations and misconceptions is no virtue. getting a grip on your theatrics and excessively overwrought prose might be a good thing in your case.

so if we go to the convention and have a vote, what you think will happen, the earth gonna open up and the demons from beneath going to grab our virgins or something?

it is hard to maintain decorum in the face of so much insipid postings

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TruthSeeker's comment was true, Hillary's comment did not put Obama at risk. The risk was enjoined when Obama declared for the Presidency. It was further engaged when he started winning delegates.So, even though we see it as Hilary engendering racial animous and blind hatred between the sexes, for Clinton it is only a way to peel off voters.And it's her one way to win.

But, TruthSeeker, she may not have out him at risk, but she did make it OK for the Republicans to pull 10,000 different flavors of racist shite.And because she has attacked Obama so unrelentingly, she made the toxicity of the typical Republican campaign acceptable. They will be able to say Hilary, a Dem said this thing, why is it so wrong if we say the same thing and extrapolate?" Honestly,, the Dems and the PC police will have no effing ground to fight the Rep. crap and it will be solely because we did not stand up against the Clintons when they pulled the same BS. I loathe that Hilary and Bill have taken that arrow from my quiver.

And that is how she hurt the party and Obama.

One of the best posts I have read on this site. Thank you for breaking it down.

I don't think that Clinton is racist BUT I think that she has embraced those who are and thereby trying to legitimize their point of view.

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If it talks like a duck...

What is in Hillary's heart makes no damn difference. She talks like a racist. She lays on racial animosity like any other racist demagogue. She is pursuing Nixon's Southern Strategy against a Democrat.

She is functionally a racist in this campaign, as is Bill.


Wonderful insights ! Barack or his campaign could not be so clear in discussing this incident. The election is an attempt to heal the emotional wound of 1968...Hill and Bill KNOW that ! They can not believe that she will not be a part of it as a candidate.
The time has come for Barack and his supporters to note the deep disappointment of Hill's supporters. Women who have planned for her election since 2000. They have invested emotionally into her in deep ways. Counting on her to be the first woman President. I hope that she will have the GRACE to help them support Barack and NOT claim sexism or scapegoat or play the victim...
We shall see ......

Here's what is really too bad. Hillary Clinton has had her eye on the White House since her collegiate days. In 1993, one of her former collegiate friends told an interviewer that she and others who knew Hillary at Wellesley thought that she would be the first woman president. For her, the disappointment is real, and deep. The candidacy was to have been the summation of a life's work.

Barack Obama is a calculating politician, even slicker than "Slick Willie." Despite all the yak about his "community organizing" days -- which, in fact, accounted for 2 years between undergraduate and law schools -- he has been about power and influence and the opulent display of affluence.

Assuming that he makes it into the WH as President, Obama will serve an unspectacular term or two and then return to what most interests him -- making money. I would not be surprised if he opened a lobby firm, or became a high-priced Washington DC attorney, using his government connections to service wealthy corporate clients. It's a dead bang certainty that he will not spend the next 30 years banging nails for Habitat or leading peace missions, a la Jimmy Carter.

Hillary Clinton will continue in the public service life which has been her mode for most (though not all) of her adult life.

To me, that is the difference in the candidates, and the reason why the best candidate is not the one that seems most likely to appear on the ballot.

Thanks.

mp

Your not even being real in your commentary.

But do you MP.

Whatever helps you sleep at night :P

You have to love it. Powe foretells Obama's future as being the exact opposite as his past with nothing to support him whatsoever. Oh Powe, please tell us some more of your truth. Your powers of persuasion are absolutely fascinating. And while I don't know if Obama was a community organizer for more or less than two years before running for local office I can tell you, from experience, that two years of such organizing is more than most people could take.

Assuming that he makes it into the WH as President, Obama will serve an unspectacular term or two and then return to what most interests him -- making money. I would not be surprised if he opened a lobby firm, or became a high-priced Washington DC attorney, using his government connections to service wealthy corporate clients. It's a dead bang certainty that he will not spend the next 30 years banging nails for Habitat or leading peace missions, a la Jimmy Carter.

When did you get these powers? You must share them with the rest of the world!!...You're....you're like a prophet!
You can see from 2008 all the way to 2012? 2016?

You HAVE to email me, please,
My email is: Stop_your_bullshit_please@yahoo.com

Seriously.....opening a lobby firm? Where in high hell did you get that from?
I think what you are describing is George W. Bush's presidential terms and his after politics. Who voted for that guy anyway?

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This is a good example of the mind reading and speculation that is done day in and day out by the press and blog corp. You can't know what interests Obama or what his motivation to run for office is - no one can know that but Obama.

Secondly, being president doesn't require the person to take a vow of poverty before, during or after their term in office - if it did, no one would run, they couldn't afford it.

Clueless. Hillary was a corporate lawyer for Wal-Mart!!! Where is the community service in that?

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Clinton wasn't a corporate lawyer for WalMart, she served on the board of directors.

Thanks for letting us know which picture to put next to the dictionary definition of "jerk".

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So you are a mind reader? You can read the future? How has this country survived w/out your psychic skills.

You know nothing, you have what everyone has, an opinion as to who Hillary and Obama are, what they will do and why.

Every politician, including Hillary, makes promises and commitments to voters. It's all they can do. Bush did it and all before him as well. THese candidates are no different. We chose based on what is said and who we believe. If Clinton had not lied so many times, maybe the country would be willing to take chances on her ambitions.

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A life's work of being a corporate lawyer for an anti-union law firm that wouldn't be in the top 100 in a real city. Plus political wife.

Not exactly a profile in courage.

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"Despite all the yak about his "community organizing" days -- which, in fact, accounted for 2 years between undergraduate and law schools --"
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No, Michael..learn the facts before you try to diminish accomplishments. There were 2 years before between UG and LAW and then another 4 years after Harvard Law. Which is significant for anyone who has his earning power. More importantly, it was significantly enough to ensure that Bill Clinton took IL in 92 thanks to Barack's work on Project Vote.

You need to learn more about him and his character before making false assertions.

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Are you drunk? He is about affluence? He wants to make money? On what facts do you base this? Even his corporate law work was largely not in a practice area known for generating the big bucks. As editor of the Harvard Law Review he could have made shitloads of money by now but he hasn't. The most he has made has been through his books. And he lives in Chicago. Where did Hill and Bill move? The tony community of Chappaqua with a nice big house (just like the nice big house in DC). Is that affluence?

At least base your hatred on some form of verifiable reality. I would like your next hate filled post to attempt that. It makes it more challenging for us.

You are so correct. No other candidate I've been for has led to my sense of anxiety in seeing him in a crowd. The anxiety of.... what if something happens? Indeed I wrote a long blog about that back in January.

You've hit the nail on the head!

First of all, the title and thesis is clearly wrong. We just had a case here in a local town in which an enraged estranged husband took after his departed spouse with a sword and knife and tried to hack her to death, for the crime of rejecting him.

The notion that women are somehow "safer" in our society, because of what -- their sex? is downright stupid.

Second, of course you "damn Sean Wilentz to hell" because you can't refute his facts, so just get them out of the room.

Yep, "change you can believe in": suppress inconvenient truth, ridicule and disparage your political foes; lie when that doesn't work. It was the uber-honest Obama campaign that ran adverts in PA and IN, telling voters that Clinton would force them to buy health insurance even if they didn't want to.

Welcome to the Brave New World of Obamaspeak. Thanks for your contribution.

Thanks.

mp

The election has and will peel back the facade on alot of americans.. They Loathing that is on both sides is TOOO much. Micheal, Do you have to be AGAINST some to be for someone else....Do you have to HATE Barack to support Hill? My God ! I am tired of the "anti". The primary season that filled me with pride on so many levels has turned into THIS ...

Micheal, Do you REALLY believe that Barack is only interested in making money ??? PLEASE, BE FAIR AND REAL !! After University and law school he didn't work for walmart or firms catering the wealthy. The Clinton's,(who I voted for and respect) made 109 MILLION dollars in less that 8 years... BE FAIR ! Who is interested in money ,,

Why can't people say the obvious, we have TWO outstanding candidates...History making candidates. Hillary ran for the most part a great campaign, unfortunately it was the campaign for 2004 not 2008. Timing is EVERYTHING in politics and her's was off this time...

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And loaned herself millions with imnterest, one must add.

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Hillary Clinton has had her eye on the White House since her collegiate days. In 1993, one of her former collegiate friends told an interviewer that she and others who knew Hillary at Wellesley thought that she would be the first woman president. For her, the disappointment is real, and deep. The candidacy was to have been the summation of a life's work.

Barack Obama is a calculating politician

As posted by Michael Powe

Do you not see the problem with your post, or is partisan blindness complete already. You post that she has planned this for a very long time, yet you accuse Obama of being calculating. Where is the accusation towards Hillary? Why is it so many of you feel that she was "owed" it? How the hell can you state that she has been denied, when she hasn't earned it in the first place? Calculating and basing your decision purely on what affect they will have in garnering you votes for an eventual Presidential run, is not a sign of leadership! Leadership is being able to make difficult decisions that may haunt your career but because they reflect your principles, and the greater good, you make them, damn the consequences. So, is/was war with Iraq a principle that she believed in, or was it for political expediency? How many parents, husbands, daughters, lovers, friends, should accept their deeply personal loses, for her seriously flawed judgment? Let's be absolutely clear here, judgment in the decision making process is the only reason anybody should consider anyone fit to be POTUS! Anything less is pure pandering to interest groups! She has shown numerous times, and not just in this campaign, to possess very poor judgment, and that makes her a danger no matter how well she supposedly represents your point of view! But, for you to accuse Barack Obama of being a calculating politician, all the while conveniently glossing over the actions taken by the Bill and Hillary Clinton is the height of hypocrisy. Get over it, she has lost! Not to sexism, not to actions by other candidates, no she has lost because of her own actions, poor planning and judgment, and inflated sense of personal entitlement. By dragging this out, while continuing to galvanize the less educated of her supporters against the very party she supposedly represent, is testament to the internal problems she has as an individual. Mark my words, there will be a lot of people angered when the first political science textbooks come out detailing her failed campaign, but required reading it will be. In them will be the critical, but honest, assessments of her capabilities as a politician, and as a planner. The most important issue that she needs to come to grips with right now, in this juncture in her life, is what how will the Historians judge her actions. It's her choice right now as to how people will eventually judge both her and Bill, hope she plays it smart.

Well Said ! EnlilBold !! REALLY WELL SAID !

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This may be emotional and heartfelt, but it is just not true. All candidates are at risk and always will be, and while the excuse made by the lunatics may be different in every case, the reason they do so is always the same - they are nobodies who long for recognition, seethe with envy that others have it and are driven to destroy anyone who is successful. (A damned good working definition of the press too.)

Barack Obama isn't in any more danger because he is black than Clinton is for being a woman, or any politician is for having the temerity to be successful. You're rationalizing sick and twisted actions by an individual and providing social and political significance that is seldom if ever a motivating factor in these actions. What you've written provides justification and rationalization for the mentally ill who would commit such an act.

Hillary Clinton in her comments wasn't insinuating anything in them, it is what you inferred from her comments and she is not responsible for anything that anyone might infer from comments made by her - no one can be responsible for another's actions that are unreasonable and irrational.

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BevD your statements about the risk Clinton has vs. Obama is completely, totally false.

Obama has the largest secret service contingency in history for a political candidate. More importantly, he has that large of a secret service protection unit BEFORE he is even the Presidential nominee.

One of the primary reasons for not campaigning heavily in W.Va. and KY were due to the volume of threats. They escalated when Hill and Bill ran their race-baiting campaign and Bill went into rural Appalachia and just stirred up racial tension along with Hillary talking about 'white working class voters'

Do not try to diminish or assert that the threat is comparable between Hill and Obama because it is not.

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That is nonsense. His reason for not campaigning in WV and Ky has nothing to do with that and your claim that WV is home base for the klan borders on the worst kind of hysteria. You're making unsustainable, hysterical and ridiculously reaching accusations which are becoming more and more excitable with every post. This is no longer a rational discussion.

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BevD,
You should check out the Southern Poverty Law Center website, specifically this page... the hate groups in each state. It is pretty staggering when you actually look at it. Also, check the Intelligence Report on this site for the incredible rise in hate groups over the last few years!
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

You are unaware of the facts. Take this opportunity to get to know the facts!

BevD, Do you REALLY believe that ? Certainly gender bias and racism are both HUGE negatives within society. But if you can look our history and say that the risk to Barack is the same as to Hillary.I don't know what world YOU are living in. Hillary has Secret Service because she is a former First Lady ! Barack is the FIRST Presidential candidate to have Secret Service protection BEFORE the primaries even started !! Do you think that they would authorize this protection if there were not SERIOUS threats against him ? Be REAL...This country has made GREAT progress in many areas , but let's not ignore the past...

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Barack Obama has secret service protection because he requested it in May 2007. All presidential candidates are entitled to receive secret service protection. That's the law.

On a point of research, Bev D, you are correct. According to the Chicago Tribune, Senator Obama got a Detail as of 3 May 2007.

Originally, the Obama Campaign had planned to use it's own funds for Security, but a number (and I can't recall how many) of specific, direct threats against the Senator and his family prompted him to request a Secret Service Protective Detail. Clearly, the Secret Service agreed with the Obamas. The Treasury Department isn't a Private Security Firm. It isn't Blackwater. They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't feel the threat was real, and the request justified.

My understanding is that it is only the Nominee of either major party has the curtain dropped on him or her. The fact that Obama had a detail assigned to him as a Candidate seven months before the Primaries even started, I feel was telling.

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Well first of all, I didn't comment on whether it was justified or not, whether the funds were well spent or not, whether it was needed or not. A committee consisting of the SS, members of congress and other parties make that decision and if a candidate requests security, that is their business, not mine. The FBI reported that there was no heightened level of threat at the time of the request.

What I don't care for is the inaccuracies and the conflation of statements and events with Clinton's comments. Clinton's comments were not out of order, they were not subliminal, they were not speculation and prognostication on Obama's possible assissination. That is overheated, hysterical hyperbolic speech that serves only to limit and curtail the candidates' comments in context of a campaign. To hold Clinton responsible for an event which she cannot control or has any responsibility is irrational. I have heard speculation on this comment ranging from comparison to someone yelling fire in a theater to triggering a Manchurian candidate working for the Clintons and all the speculation and conjuring of scenarios is ridiculous - it has no place in rational, reasonable political discourse.

The reason I brought up the justification was that your earlier comment suggests that his been assigned a Protective Detail was par for the course. I'm sorry. It wasn't.

But again, while I really don't think she meant to do harm, you have to understand that harm was done nonetheless. Either you get that or you don't.

This should have been a one day story. She should have found the nearest microphone, apologized to both the Kennedys and the Obamas, and let the story die.

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She doesn't have to apologize to anyone because she said nothing wrong.

Funny, that's exactly what people who did say something wrong usually say.

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That makes no sense at all.

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You sound so bitter as you cling to your illusions.

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That's not the law! Sounds irrefutable sure, but get the facts straight.

Racism never killed anyone, nor has sexism; though both have been the driving force behind all kinds of violence.

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Well then, it must be a mistake that it was codified as "Title 18, Crimes and Criminal Procedures, Sec. 3056 Powers, Authorities and Duties of the United States Secret Service".

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Candidates for President, yes.

Candidates for party nomination, no.

Barack Obama is the first candidate for nominee who wasn't already a sitting president (or former First Lady) to receive SS protection.

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That is not what the law says. The law says that candidates for that office are entitled to secret service protection, while they are campaigning, and the reason that is so is because of the assassination of Bobby Kennedy who was running as a candidate for the nomination. The candidate can request protection at any time by the secret service by applying to the committe made up of members of congress and others who then request the secretary of the treasury to provide that protection. The secret service is under the direction of the secretary of the treasury and always has been, their primary role is to protect the currency of the United States. Those who are campaigning for that office before and during the entire campaign season are entitled by law to the protection. Once again, it is coverd by Title 18.

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The Democrats don't have a candidate for office, yet.

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What Hillary does is add to the all too common discourse of death threats that has plagued Obama's candidacy from the outset. He did need secret service protection from the beginning. He is a black man in America and like Michelle Obama said, he could killed just going to the gas station. America has a history of using violence against black people and not only Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr. Slaves were murdered. During Reconstruction and post-Reconstruction black people were lynched. During the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Power Movement, black people were murdered by mobs, by the police and the FBI. Today, police continue to murder unarmed black men.

And I agree that women are and have been consistently murdered by men in this society and throughout the world and so I do think Hillary is also vulnerable because of her gender and her status as a politician. Let's not pretend that America isn't extraordinarily violence and uses violence against blacks, women and people who threaten the status quo.

It doesn't matter what Hillary's intentions were, what matters is the impact. Intention vs. Impact. Perhaps she did not mean to say she'd "obliterate Iran" but the impact was that it caused much anxiety and concern. Maybe she didn't mean to insinuate that white people won't vote for Obama because he's black, but the impact was that it sounded like a racist statement. As a politician or any thoughtful person, you have to be conscious and clear about what you intend to say versus the impact it will have when you say it.

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Hillary Clinton in her comments wasn't insinuating anything in them, it is what you inferred from her comments and she is not responsible for anything that anyone might infer from comments made by her - no one can be responsible for another's actions that are unreasonable and irrational.People had a gut-level, spontaneous reaction to what she said regardless of her intention. It was then her responsibility to clarify and given that the statement caused hurt and concern for Obama, a conscious, caring person would should be able to empathize and then offer up words of compassion and try to heal the hurt feelings. She chose not to do that.

Instead, in usual Hillary fashion, she defended her statement, blamed the Obama campaign and dismissed people's feelings just as you, BevD are doing now. Is that the leadership model you advocate? Her attitude is always, "fuck you" if you misunderstood me or I don't give a shit if my statement could be interpreted in some other way then what I intended. She blames the listener instead of figuring out a way to better get her message across. IMHO, this is a not an ideal model for a productive leadership strategy.

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This really doesn't make much sense as an argument. If she is responsible for everyone's "gut level...reaction" to comments made by her, then every candidate is responsible for everyone's "gut level...reaction" to their comments and remarks. If you hold Clinton to arbitrary and impossible standards of speech, then you must hold all candidates to that standard and it is impossible to do so. I don't think it is good for open, serious political dialogue if candidates must continually guard agaisnt candid, unrehearsed comments and articulated thoughts. Banal, rehearsed, bland comments and speech by candidates should make us more wary than their candidness and unrehearsed thoughts.

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Yes, they are responsible for 'gut level reaction' which is why Hillary used Obama's 'bitter' and 'clinging' terms against him repeatedly until she transformed it into the 'white working class voters'.

Gut level responses are important in politics. Which is why no one should imply, infer or suggest that a candidate will be assasinated in America, particularly an African American given the history of killing politicians as well as of lynching African Americans.

Appalachia is home base turf for the Klan and Hillary knew precisely what she was doing...creating a gut level reaction to why the 'white working class' voter should MAKE something happen in June if they want her to be the nominee.

Hillary's words were no accident and they were just as much of a dogwhistle as the phrase 'statesrights' and 'fairytale' and 'hipblackimaginaryfriend'.

Having been a Goldwater Girl who responded to the 'statesrights' whistle Hillary knows precisely what she is doing and so does BubbaBill.

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Okay, BevD, ignore much of what I expressed and then incorrectly state the rest. I didn't say Hillary is responsible for people's reactions. I said once she discovered how her allegedly "unintended" remarks impacted people in a way that was hurtful or upsetting, it was her responsibility (or at least, she should've taken it up as a responsibility) to offer some salve. Not just clarify, but in the interest of goodwill, empathy, compassion and the promotion of mutual understanding, she could have and should have acknowledged other people's realities.

The ability to acknowledge other people's realities and to empathize are qualities of a superior leader. You engage people by meeting them where they are at even if you feel and think differently then they do. But you respect their thoughts and feelings and if you've caused them discomfort or upsetness intentionally or not, you reach out and say I'm sorry. It doesn't cost you anything and instead allows you to build consensus through validation and mutual respect. Hillary doesn't have that capacity.

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Michael,

If Barack Obama's only interest is money he can quit the white house race any day and just do lecture tours. He will surpass Bill Clinton's earnings in a much shorter time. This guy can rake in millions without having to get stuck behind a Walmart corporate office. But you won't buy that argument because you are obviously a Hillary stooge. So please stop trying to sell your garbage speculations as facts.
Thanks.

This post states:

Four of the people most responsible for that change, our champions, John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert F. Kennedy

It is apparent that Hillary, looking back, does not agree with your assessment. "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when LBJ passes the civil rights act of 1964. It took a president to get it done."
It is amazing to revisit her speaking this quote. Especially note the reporter's question. I seem to see it in a whole new light than when I first saw it at the time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9LhWUsrJnM

It is also interesting to note on this very same day (January 7, 2008) a supporter said this when introducing Hillary at an event:

"Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually” passed the civil rights legislation."
Mrs. Clinton’s expression did not change noticeably when Ms. Torge made the comment.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

The Hillary campaign backed away from this supporter's comments at the time. It is interesting to note that further along on the campaign trail she was accused of planting questions. It is hard for me to believe her campaign does not know and/or coordinate what these supporters are going to say when introducing her at events.

Another seemingly unrelated introduction was the one performed by Bob Johnson of BET fame. Did they not know he was going to do the "something in the neighborhood" during his introduction of Clinton to paint Obama as the scary, drug using black man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ5V1cL7iw

At what point to we stop giving the benefit of the doubt? It is hard to conceive she could have meant the RFK statement. But then again, it was hard to believe that she, as a democrat, would do and say many of the things she has on the campaign trail. How can we possibly guess what she meant? All we can do is let the evidence lead us to the conclusion.


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He just started to think about being President, and the death threats started to come.

I call bullshit.

But a Department of Homeland Security official said there is no known viable threat against the senator "at this time." The FBI confirmed that there was no specific threat against Obama.

In the same piece, I read the following quote from Michelle:

"I don't lose sleep over it because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station,"

OMG! Maybe it's you that needs to understand why what she said did the damage it did.

The department of freaking homeland security? What? Are they monitoring terrorist or called in threats? Do you really think that Joe Bob is going to call in his threat before he takes a chance?

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Tell it to Malcom. He's the one that made the bogus claim.

My first stab at HTML, so I hope it shows up okay.

From the USA Today dated May 13, 2007, which also quotes your part about Homeland Security...


Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., told reporters Thursday night that several weeks ago he received information — some of it with a racial bent — that made him concerned for Obama's safety. The number of people Obama was attracting at campaign events also worried him, Durbin said.

Durbin said he approached Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., six to eight weeks ago and that Reid and Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., went to the Secret Service last week.

"I expressed concern because of my affection for Barack and his family. I've traveled with Obama. I've witnessed enormous crowds," Durbin said. "This is a relief."

According to a senior law enforcement official, the security detail was prompted by general concerns about the safety of a prominent black candidate. Although there was no direct threat to Obama, several factors raised concerns, including some racist chatter on white supremacist websites.

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Thank you for confirming my comments, I appreciate it.

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That post does anything BUT confirm your comments. Hillary is not getting racist threats and she certainly does not have the same level of risk as Obama.

Your comments are out of the box.

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How do you know she isn't getting racist threats? Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

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Ha Ha BevD I LOVE how you use that line every time someone proves you wrong. It's so George Bushian!
The other great one is when someone makes perfect sense and you tell them that they make no sense. Up is down! Left is right! Hillary's honest and genuine! What a world you live in.

You're welcome for proving your point.

I'm sorry I don't make sense.

Well, Gee.

I dunno, I've been hearing a LOT about Hillary Clinton's "Negative Polling" and how so many people actively hate her.

I'd think the "chatter" on "websites" might be picking up on her, wouldn't you?

Has anyone checked it out in order to do a comparison? No?

Then I'd say folks here are spinning their wheels and engaging in rationalization.

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MP - WOW - talk about someone drinking the kool aid! Too bad Hillary sold HERSELF short back in the day by marrying Bill ... she knew then he had a revolving door on his office ... she chose to hook her wagon to him. She has played the victim/blame game FOREVER ... and people with brains actually see through it now. 35 years of public service my fat fanny!!!!

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Not to mention that Barack and Michelle have never been rich. It was only last year that they began to make any real money, and that was due to his book sales. Perhaps you had him confused with President Clinton?

Why would he become a lobbyist? He's the only candidate standing up to the PAC and lobbyist machine in this country. Clinton, on the other hand, takes more money from them than any of the original candidates--Dem or GOP.

It's clear that you haven't done your research on Senator Obama.

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I like your post. I think it's time to stop talking about Hillary and focus on John McCain.

Bill and Hillary continue to try and instigate and keep the fight alive. And we enable them by accepting the invitation.

It's hard and no doubt they'll get louder and less rational but sometimes the best thing to do when your child throws tantrums is to stop paying attention.

I think it's a lesson the Clintons need to be taught.

The decision from Saturday's meeting is likely already decided, and the Clintons are likely to protest it no matter what.

After June 3rd, let's hope Obama has the number of delegates he needs.

But don't expect Hillary to go away.

I wouldn't mind recruiting more rational thinking Clinton supporters to TPM so that we can collaborate on how best to fight John McCain.

The Clintons thrive on division--they'll pick a fight after the fight.

Just walk away.


There are possibly not as many homicidal patriarchal cranks around to target Hillary as there conceivably are homicidal racist cranks around to target Barack. But the danger to her is NOT negligible, as the poster would seem to want to imply.

I certainly hope that wasn't the impression I left. I believe I said she's a target. No doubt. But I doubt it's due to her gender.

Wait,...sexism isnt deadly? Ever been to a battered woman's shelter?

Sheesh man, get a grip. Pick up the newspaper. Watch the evening news for God's sake before you make such uninformed statements.

So, you really want to bring out that chestnut? Fine, let's stay on equal footing, then. When was the last time you were stopped by a Cop, and wondered if you were going to live through the experience??

No doubt the women in those shelters are the victim of some sick, sick men. But the argument here is about Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. Senator Clinton has claimed that gender bias is damaging her campaign. Maybe, maybe not. I'm saying that racial bias is endangering Senator Obama's life.

Summarising to "sexism doesn't put Senator Clinton's life at risk" undermines this otherwise excellent post. Less at risk is probably a safe bet; the psychosis of misogynists of even that magnitude tends to not lead into the type of violence of racists (or ethnicists.)

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Clinton has had SS protection since 1992. There are probably more Hate Clintons crazies out there (higher negatives...remember?) than Obama haters. That's just a guess because I don't have any data to support it.

But the meme that "Barry is in MORE danger and facing it BRAVELY" is a pile. Trying to create this aura of extra danger for Obama is silly. They all get SS protection. There's an equivalent reason for that for all of them.

The problem Hillary's comments present is that there is no way to construe that isn't insulting to Hillary Clinton: the 'innocent' interpretation is nonsensical, so one has the option of insulting either Hillary's intellect, her honesty, or her integrity.

Yes because we all know that Hillary represents the "hard working, white Americans" who take their little girls out and teach them how to shoot. (I am sure they need to protect themselves). These "hard working, white Americans" don't want some uppity "elitist" black who did "something in the neighborhood" in the past as their president. Hillary represents what is all good and wholesome, like white bread.

I am sure southern history is full of people with the above attitude and the horror it created. We, as democrats, abhor such mentality. Hillary embraces it for votes, despite the dangers it can generate (or maybe because of it).

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Then that's probably what you should have put in your original piece as opposed to the "death threats started to come" business.

A few more items since we're on the subject. Minor point but Clinton has had SS protection since 1992.

Also...We know that rage is starting to boil up in some segments of our society...

No. Actually, we don't. White supremacist chatter is out there all the time. It's what they do - it's who they are. It seems to me that you're trying to dramatize for effect just as his wife does in the linked article:

""I don't lose sleep over it because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station," she responded. "You can't make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen. We just weren't raised that way."

Michelle introduces the actual scenario of Obama being shot and no one goes batshit crazy. Least of all you. So why does Clinton's mention of RFK campaigning in June 68 do "all this damage" while Michelle Obama's quote above only makes you yawn?

Is this real? Is this something I can prove? No.

Thank you for adding that.

Yet when Clinton makes her mention of RFK,

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Originally, the Obama Campaign had planned to use it's own funds for Security, but a number (and I can't recall how many) of specific, direct threats against the Senator and his family prompted him to request a Secret Service Protective Detail.

Yeah, he requested Dick Durbin to get him SS coverage. As campaigns go, it's pretty standard to get the govt to pay for it if you can to save funds for other uses. But you say "specific, direct threats"...

But a Department of Homeland Security official said there is no known viable threat against the senator "at this time." The FBI confirmed that there was no specific threat against Obama.

You don't just get to make things up.

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And here you've proven that you haven't read the thread, as that exact argument has already been knocked down. Hard.

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Show me where.

...and neither do you. And the last time a Candidate received SS Protection before a single vote was cast was when exactly?

Around the time of Senator Obama's detail being announced there were stories about a specific threat made against the Senator. The day of the announcement, Homeland Security said no, there wasn't. I understand you believe what you believe, but I don't think this idea came out of nowhere. I don't think the SS is going to throw down a protection detail at taxpayers expense for the hell of it.

Internet Chatter is good enough for Homeland Security to respond to Terror Threats, I think it should at least be good enough to respond to threats on Senator Obama's life. I think I, and even political opponents of Senator Obama appreciate them being taken seriously.

When Senator Clinton, then the soon-to-be First Lady had their detail assigned, Governor Clinton was already the presumptive nominee. Just as Senator McCain had his detail assigned about a month and a half ago, as the presumptive nominee. Again, this is about real and legitimate threats against Senator Obama, just as there are real and legitimate threats against Senator Clinton. I just don't think her threats are based on gender, thus the title of the article...which I stand by.

And as far as the rage boiling up in society, I'm sorry...but maybe you didn't see the photographs of the attack on Obama's Offices in Indiana (which was a hate crime), or read any of the hostility to Obama volunteers on the campaign trail, see some of the reaction to Senator Obama's presence on the campaign trail in West Virginia and Kentucky.

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Crimony sake, admiralmpj! You're drowning this thread in all your reason and cogency. You know indiex and BevD can't survive in this type of atmosphere. They might as well be [back] on Mars!

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I don't think the SS is going to throw down a protection detail at taxpayers expense for the hell of it.

Good. We agree. Clinton has had SS protection since 1992. And, no, it was not only when he became the presumptive nominee. Did you even read that short article I linked to? It would have told you they all get the protection:

The Secret Service has protected major party candidates ever since New York Sen. Robert Kennedy was gunned down in June 1968.

Oh my God! They mentioned RFK's death in CA in June 68. They must be trying to get Obama assassinated. I'll bet you'd be gifted at Obama Golf.

'Boiling up' is just another lame attempt flog the race angle that underpinned Obama's entire approach to the southern contests. Obama went race pimp after NH. I guess he forgot that he 'transcends race'.

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You mean like his commercials about how a Black man is too lazy to get out of bed to answer the phone at 3am? Wait, that was the underpinning of Hillary's campaign...

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What are you talking about?

WOW. I am aghast at the negativity your beautiful post has brought out. FWIW, I wholly agree with your points. Jack, Martin, Malcolm, Bobby... they do set a precedence. How many women have been assassinated in attempting to advance the (very important, BTW) feminist cause?

Seriously. Do we have to go back to Joan of Arc? (And she was tried, convicted, and executed; that's a little different, if no less horrifying). In the last century, I can only come up with examples of women who were imprisoned, abused, and forcefed. Alice Paul. Lucy Burns. Margaret Sanger. Far more have been, of course, mocked and delegitimized... but names don't hurt us the way sticks and stones do. I know I'm missing someone, and would appreciate the reminder, but the very fact that they aren't in the forefront of my mind kind of makes your thesis right there.

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How many women have been assassinated in attempting to advance the (very important, BTW) feminist cause?

Not sure what you mean by 'the feminist cause' but you can go back to Banazir Bhutto in 12/07 instead of JOA.

Since we are talking about an American election, and about American electorate mindset, and the history of American leaders lives being snubbed out, your reference does not apply.

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Seriously. Do we have to go back to Joan of Arc?

How does JOA enter into an American election?

Besides, Bhutto was a leader in her country. Clinton has lived with SS protection since at least 1992. Obama qualified for it and it appears he requested it. I believe that he should have requested it and I'm glad he got the protection when he did. Ditto with McCain and Clinton. It's not an issue. In any way.

Thanks, Indiex -- I do think Bhutto counts far more than Joan of Arc :-) I *knew* I was missing something obvious. And now that you mention it, Indira Gandhi, yes?

That, as mageduley points out, these assassinations were not in the USA, is also a factor that implies that Clinton is probably safer than Obama... but she's certainly not safe, either.

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Indira Gandhi

Excellent example and she slipped my mind too. It happens to all of us. Thank you.

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