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Seeing No Evil Can Come to No Good
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/xxfactor/archive/2008/05/27/seeing-no-evil-can-come-to-no-good.aspx
... another way in which we in the media have not learned all we might have from the fiasco of 2000 is in our peculiarly American determination to see strategery everywhere but no evil, ever.
... What an odd paradox in which we assume we are always being played—but never with really bad intentions. Especially since it was fear of appearing to be too hard on Junior that got us this president in the first place. And, as even his former press secretary Scott McClellan says outright in his new memoir, that's also how we marched off to his purposeless war.
The assumption was that Bush (and even more to the point, Colin Powell) would never have told us the war was necessary if that weren't the case -- because who would do that? No one we'd put in charge. Just as Hillary would never have stirred the pot on purpose—because that would be evil and she isn't evil, thus she couldn't have done it.
For a bunch of skeptics, we really have a weirdly high opinion of human nature.
We've been ill-served by a See-No-Evil media, by mavens who want to ref the game but then act like they're too cool to stoop to calling foul.
Josh is not afraid to call foul. That's what got me hooked on TPM. Don't get all righteous when readers respond to TPM EC's reports of the latest Clinton strategery by seeing evil.
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Comments (54)
"Stop cheating!" the dealer told the card player.
"I'm not!" claimed the player.
"You must be," said the dealer. "That is not the hand that I dealt you."
May 29, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I enjoy your posts, but I have noticed that you are the only person here who posts multiple times on your own blog (not in response to other posters, just one after the other)..
Does that get you into the hallowed "Recommended Reader Posts?"
It seems disengenuous, especially since it is one link after another. Maybe I'm in a bad mood. I like what you say, but I think you are cheating and it bothers me.
May 29, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, I'm just having fun. I'm not doing it to game the system or anything, but I can see how it might look and feel that way.
I'll tell you what. I promise not to indulge myself more than once a week. I don't think I've been posting too often or "hogging" the rec list, but I think your comment is a fair one.
May 30, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eric Boehlert on: Why did the press ignore Ted Kennedy in 2002?
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200805280002
h/t Atrios ...
Ignoring Ted
Boehlert [linked above] has an important column about how the press ignored Ted Kennedy in 2002 when he spoke out against their grand and glorious adventure in Iraq. One of the excuses that the press gives for ignoring people who thought that this was a really stupid fucking idea is that the Democrats didn't really oppose it. Well, Ted Kennedy did and so did plenty of others. And Kennedy isn't some no-name senator, he's one with a big history, stature, and name recognition. He give a big speech. It was ignored.
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_05_25_archive.html#7834482293112993939
May 29, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Politics is policy, but it is also process.
It is terribly naive to think that you can ignore the process. If the process is not understood, there is no reason to trust those who gain power by such a process to then enact policies in our favor.
For all those who feel the anger and bickering has become pointless, try to keep in mind that there is interest here - beyond personalities, beyond policies - in shedding light on the process itself and confirming for ourselves that it's being conducted fairly.
May 29, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice point.
May 29, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
In any case, I hereby pledge to never again write about how angry Hillary makes me. I will henceforth limit my comments to Bill.
Bill is criss-crossing the country. He is working hard for his wife's candidacy. He is also hurting the Democratic party.
Torn from the front pages of TPM:
Bill, Bill, Bill . . .
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/197106.php
Bill
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/192773.php
Bill Clinton needs to shut up already if all he's got left to sell is resentment to voters we'd like to have onboard come November.
May 29, 2008 2:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
As this astute commenter lamented:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/seriously-folks-you-can-stop-w.php#comment-2855601
May 29, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing that pisses me off more than mendacious politicians who try to manipulate me are the Fourth Estate types who treat me with equal disdain and then think they deserve a pass when the public gets wise to the lies.
No doubt we'll be hearing these same Fourth Estate types, who ignored Ted Kennedy's opposition to the Iraq war in 2002, now wax eloquent about how Scotty McC doesn't deserve a pass for his role in disseminating Bush's disinformation.
And they'll be right. He doesn't. But neither do they.
May 29, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with this comment:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/seriously-folks-you-can-stop-w.php#comment-2854600
I think it can be extended ...
Campaigns become really boring if its supporters are just looking for reasons to be offended.
Bill's already found plenty. He'll keep finding more as long as his wife's campaign continues.
May 29, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, click on the first link:
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_05_25_archive.html#1426275251855217117
Or this link:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9609.html
Either one will make your day.
God bless these guys:
http://www.89infdivww2.org
May 29, 2008 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
And if that doesn't brighten your mood, try this:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_05/013810.php
May 29, 2008 4:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kudos to ami_in_deutschland:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/obamas-first-100-days-what-we.php
For tracking down the Reuters feed:
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/28/bushs-laws-will-be-scrutinized-if-i-become-president-obama-says/
May 29, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or this:
Long time conservative activist Richard Viguerie:
As Digby says ... These hardcore movement conservatives really don't want to win this one.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/with-friends-like-these-by-digby-long.html
May 29, 2008 4:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
They may not want to win this one, but we do, and for good reason:
Once In A Generation Is Now
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=255B7120969A192CE22D756ADE33F0F9?diaryId=6032
May 29, 2008 4:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it breaking my aforementioned pledge if I quietly link here:
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/05/21/clinton-calvinball/
As if the URL doesn't give the game away. Oh well.
May 29, 2008 5:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's spelled decidedly
I know, because I spelled that one wrong just yesterday.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/197382.php
May 29, 2008 5:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barry Nolan, journalist.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/27/barry-nolan/
Barry Nolan. Journalist.
May 29, 2008 5:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Katie Couric, pretend journalist.
To her credit, an honest pretend journalist.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/28/despite-mcclellan-criticism-network-anchors-still-refuses-to-re-evaluate-their-own-complicity/
May 29, 2008 5:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or, at this point, you could just read the front page that now provides this link ...
CNN's Yellin: Network execs killed critical White House stories
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0508/CNNs_Yellin_Network_execs_killed_critical_White_House_stories_.html
But if you'd been following this thread, you would've already figured that out by now - that the networks, and their anchors, are pathetic.
Trust me, it takes pathetic to know pathetic. Why else would I be here analyzin' and predictin' what you can count on becomin' 'news' even before you're able to hop off this thread and start pokin' around elsewhere?
Am I right? So where's the love?
May 29, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like Amarillo Slim said, "Nobody is always a winner, and anybody who says he is, is either a liar or doesn't play poker."
And like Gore Vidal said, "It's not enough to succeed. Others must fail."
If your opponent's not losing, you can't be winning, no matter how many successes you might be able to point to.
And if you're not winning, it's best to cut losses short and get out of the game.
I'm out.
May 29, 2008 6:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Scratch that.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/seriously-folks-you-can-stop-w.php#comment-2855852
Wade Hussein Blazingame34 has just provided the kinda musical interlude that recharges one's batteries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc5YSAc-7g
Dixie Chicks endorse Obama....
I'm not ready to make nice
I'm not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell and
I don't have time to go round and round and round
It's too late to make it right
I probably wouldn't if I could
'Cause I'm mad as hell
Can't bring myself to do what it is you think I should
May 29, 2008 7:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, don't scratch that.
I'm still out.
Emotional appeals are problematic in the sense that they generally work both ways depending on one's confirmation bias.
We all quote the Dixie Chicks at our own peril.
It ain't sexy, but there it is.
Process. Either it's fair or it's not. My caterwauling or the Dixie Chicks' canorous contributions aside.
May 29, 2008 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Disheartening, but not unexpected:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/until-the-votes-are-cast.php
As I commented over at Don's thread:
I've had an inkling that the plan was to take this to the convention ever since catching a BBC broadcast a few months ago in which a - purportedly neutral - American observer came on and offered the view that "taking it to the convention" was not so uncommon in the American system and not something to get overly-concerned about.
I subsequently tried, and failed, to locate that broadcast online. As an expat American, whose only broadcast news source at home happens to be the BBC, it was particularly chilling, in the sense that it led me to understand that this was the line that was being propagated by the campaign "under the radar" to the BBC-viewing demographic.
Since then, I've watched the spin unfold online with a sinking feeling in my gut that my initial reaction was spot on. The plan is to take this to the convention. It will only be thwarted if it's rendered totally unpalatable.
May 29, 2008 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
New title: Incessantly Commenting on One's own Post can Come to No Good.
True or False?
Admittedly, I'm the reason Josh has declined our offers of our kingdoms for an edit function.
All hell would break loose.
But, I'd be getting rec'd, so what do I care?
May 29, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is genius/madness. I love it.
May 29, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
And while I'm blowing smoke up yer avatar...
As a true sign of your avatar's design genius I've noticed it's already been ripped off by another poster here on TPM.
May 29, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for commenting (Lord knows I could use an additional avatar around here to break up the monotony - and yours is totally cool).
But more to the point:
Who? Where?
And most importantly: Why?
OK, admittedly, 'why' is not all that important. I just wanna know 'who' ... I can figure out the 'where' easily enough.
Cheers. You rock. Unless you're unwilling to name names. In which case, you suck.
And, yeah, for anyone who's happened to wander in late to this game, if you try to infer from my latest rant that I'm not the communitarian I claim to be, well, just comment and rec and we'll discuss all that later.
In the meantime, names.
Cheers.
Oh, and I live in Taiwan, for Chrissakes. I know full well that mimicry is not the highest form of flattery ... it's merely the simplest form of subverting my dearly-held hoity-toity form of advanced capitalism, so F*** you, you as-yet-to-be-named mimicker person.
May 29, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
This dude (link below) clearly adopted your "supermodify the generic avatar icon" idea. He seems to be on the right side of the argument at hand at least...
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/profile/Indie%20Pro
May 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but to quote Indie Pro's latest comment ...
"I'm not looking for a reason to be offended. I'm taking it easy. No worries."
Dude reads to me like an OK Obama supporter. As such, feel free, Mr. Pro. My avatar still kicks your Photoshopped goatee-sportin' avatar's ass, but that don't mean we can't all get along.
Unless there's some other issue that Colonel Sanders wants to bring to my attention?
Just kiddin', Colonel. You're good people, too.
May 29, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
He seems to be on the right side of the argument at hand at least...
So, why did I respond as if I was contradicting MartinX?
Because I'm an idiot.
Noted thusly for all the Heathers fans out there.
May 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Getting back to my train of thought ...
The Zaftig Redhead deserves your rec ...
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/mcclellans-revelations-just-th.php
As Zaftig, the redhead, reports:
By which the redhead named Zaftig obviously means to imply that Greg Sargent owes us all a big apology. Not to mention Andrew for being Greg's BFF. Because, you know, when we all look back, we're all gonna wonder, about the whole 'speaking up at the time' thing ...
Just my own objective reading. Nothing more.
May 29, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
The assumption was that Bush (and even more to the point, Colin Powell) would never have told us the war was necessary if that weren't the case -- because who would do that? No one we'd put in charge. Just as Hillary would never have stirred the pot on purpose—because that would be evil and she isn't evil, thus she couldn't have done it.
Bingo.
It's tough for most people to admit they're wrong. Often more so when the error involves endorsement of another, exempli gratia casting a ballot.
I suspect this phenomenon is at least partly responsible for supplying King George with so lengthy a free-ride, and why we now see some till-death-do-us-part support for Senator Clinton.
May 29, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
You, IIOOII, have earned my undying gratitude.
Not because you're obviously one smart cookie, and not because you've led me to ponder once again how it is that I came to be such an insightful MoFo, but rather, because, at this point, I need every last rec I can muster.
I'm dyin' here, it ain't pretty, and you lent a hand. Cheers.
May 29, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a matter of fact, I did recommend this post because I thought it was extremely well-researched and carried an important message.
Please, out of curiosity - how did you know that I did?
It is my understanding that recommended reader posts do not show up in one's profile. Did you see the "recommended" count increment and (correctly as it turns out) assume it was yours truly?
Thanks.
May 29, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo. (sorry)
I deduced from the uptick in my rec count that occurred around the same time as your comment that you must be the culprit.
Some assumptions are safer than others, particularly where lame posts like this one are concerned.
All lameness notwithstanding, I still intend to whore this post as aggressively as I can. If you were to assist, I imagine that would be considered post pimping. As it turns out, I think I might actually be better at pimping others' posts than whoring my own. We'll see. I may make it yet.
May 29, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phew. Made it.
I have to admit that I was worried there for a sec and started thinking maybe, just maybe, what I'm bringing just ain't racy enough for the younger set, for the kidz, for the dumb punks who better vote for Obama 'cuz I've got hard-earned money riding on this one, or else! (exclamated just to prove that Clinton's crew ain't the only one that's gonna be 'bringing this to the convention' if things get messy).
By the way, my lame-ass jokes would work better if I had a strikethrough function.
And I suspect it's Josh who's denying me that functionality, but let's blame Andrew. Just for today. Because what's in store for that boy's got nuthin to do with deserve. And 'boy' is a term that I wouldn't normally use, except that Morgan Freeman was in that one movie I liked, which makes me an enlightened white guy who can toss epithets around at leisure. And no, I did not have offensivetoyou in mind when I constructed that last sentence. It just came out of nowhere - otherwise known as 'off the top of my head which is located somewhere in my racist gut'.
But I digress.
Back to my original point, I think you know what I'm talking about. The same wet-behind-the-ears crew that recommended this post:
Bill Clinton sees disrespect on the campaign trail! Seriously?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/bill-clinton-sees-disrespect-o.php
It's from all the way back on May 25th, but go check it.
69 recommends.
69 exactly.
69 and no more.
What's up with that?
What's up is disrespect. From the young'uns. They think it's funny that this otherwise worthy post about 'Bill seeing disrespect on the campaign trail' is gonna somehow wind up with 69 recs and that none of us old fogies are gonna notice.
Well, guess again, junior.
You're young. You'll catch on soon enough that that kinda thing's not welcome around here.
Moving on ...
May 29, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
David Kurtz is the best thing that ever happened to TPM, outside of Josh, but "DECIDELY" is still not a word.
Apparently, the lack of an EDIT function extends beyond the Café.
David, fwiw, we feel your pain.
May 29, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
But didn't Bush claim to have a direct line to God?
May 29, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Qwerty makes 13.
Am I wrong, Qwerty?
Either way, you rock.
As to your comment, you're gonna have to allow me a moment to ponder your non sequitur.
May 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
As it turns out, he does.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_AMh7ECpVds4/RmyBh8MJ-nI/AAAAAAAAANI/XT4LP5L8urc/s1600-h/pope_bush.jpg
Burn in hell, you doubter.
May 29, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which gets me to 12. Awesome. I might as well be posting at Hillaryis44.org. Didn't y'all get the memo? Obama is my Morrison, the Morrison of Five to One:
The old get old
And the young get stronger
May take a week
And it may take longer
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
We're takin' over
Come on!
Yeah!
...
12?
"12" is not a number, and nowhere near "numbers" ...
Sorry, Jim. I tried. The TPM culture just ain't where it needs to be yet to properly honor your legacy.
May 29, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I echo Samantha Powers..."Monster!"
May 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's definitely got powers, but she's otherwise known as Samantha Power.
And since you apparently are gettin' all up in my face about this, I'm gonna have to echo some Greg Sargent ...
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/power_resigns_over_hillaryismo.php
Hilarious!
I, on the other hand, always remember to proofread campaign material thoroughly before posting.
As if! It's lots more fun to just to throw it out there and scorn the losers who beg to differ with "my" characterizations.
Rock on! No harm, no foul. And if I'm commenting here, it's a sure bet I'm harmless.
May 29, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
... to just throw ...
sans the weird "to" ...
So much for my 'proofreading' angle ... let's face it, we all make mistakes - where's that damn unity pony? I'm ready to saddle up.
And it's got nuthin to do with my suddenly realizing I've been making a fool of myself.
It's just time ... because I'm bigger than all the garbage you relentless, hateful commenters have brought to this thread.
Happy now?
May 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't mind me.
I just resent that a certain Andrew Golis now has something like 224 responses to his post.
Who exactly does he think he is?
You'd think he worked here or something.
As if making this all possible is supposed to count for something.
:-)
Just in case it doesn't display properly, that's a smiley face directly above this line.
And just in case it doesn't display properly, it's all Andrew's fault.
May 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, crap. It displayed properly. Andrew's OK.
May 29, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has needed to be said! I don't need to be adding my remarks at this point, but - job well done.
It is maddening at times:
Q: Why would you stay in the race?
A: Because my opponent could be assassinated, remember RFK?
As I, along with many Americans, reacted with shock and amazement that she could be even contemplating such an event ocurring between now and june (in THIS race); her supporters are flat out telling me and others not to be upset, because that is NOT what she said. I saw and heard it, it is what she said.
It is not only this occasion. They've given her the benefit of the doubt everytime!
May 29, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
And thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt.
Once the madness sets in, most folks tend to keep their distance.
May 29, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was supposed to be funny, but now it's kinda creepin' me out.
May 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know why you're getting so few comments, Mr. Blanco? You're too good. Posting here feels almost like sacrilege. Or at least stepping all over someone's freshly cleaned carpet in dirty old shoes. It's disturbing the pattern. Please continue.
May 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're right.
May 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're right.
May 29, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're both wonderful. Late to the party, but still wonderful.
May 30, 2008 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
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