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Seeing No Evil Can Come to No Good


http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/xxfactor/archive/2008/05/27/seeing-no-evil-can-come-to-no-good.aspx

... another way in which we in the media have not learned all we might have from the fiasco of 2000 is in our peculiarly American determination to see strategery everywhere but no evil, ever.
... What an odd paradox in which we assume we are always being played—but never with really bad intentions. Especially since it was fear of appearing to be too hard on Junior that got us this president in the first place. And, as even his former press secretary Scott McClellan says outright in his new memoir, that's also how we marched off to his purposeless war.
The assumption was that Bush (and even more to the point, Colin Powell) would never have told us the war was necessary if that weren't the case -- because who would do that? No one we'd put in charge. Just as Hillary would never have stirred the pot on purpose—because that would be evil and she isn't evil, thus she couldn't have done it. 
For a bunch of skeptics, we really have a weirdly high opinion of human nature.


We've been ill-served by a See-No-Evil media, by mavens who want to ref the game but then act like they're too cool to stoop to calling foul.

Josh is not afraid to call foul. That's what got me hooked on TPM. Don't get all righteous when readers respond to TPM EC's reports of the latest Clinton strategery by seeing evil.


Comments (54)

"Stop cheating!" the dealer told the card player.
"I'm not!" claimed the player.
"You must be," said the dealer. "That is not the hand that I dealt you."


I enjoy your posts, but I have noticed that you are the only person here who posts multiple times on your own blog (not in response to other posters, just one after the other)..

Does that get you into the hallowed "Recommended Reader Posts?"

It seems disengenuous, especially since it is one link after another. Maybe I'm in a bad mood. I like what you say, but I think you are cheating and it bothers me.

Honestly, I'm just having fun. I'm not doing it to game the system or anything, but I can see how it might look and feel that way.

I'll tell you what. I promise not to indulge myself more than once a week. I don't think I've been posting too often or "hogging" the rec list, but I think your comment is a fair one.

Eric Boehlert on: Why did the press ignore Ted Kennedy in 2002?

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200805280002

h/t Atrios ...

Ignoring Ted

Boehlert [linked above] has an important column about how the press ignored Ted Kennedy in 2002 when he spoke out against their grand and glorious adventure in Iraq. One of the excuses that the press gives for ignoring people who thought that this was a really stupid fucking idea is that the Democrats didn't really oppose it. Well, Ted Kennedy did and so did plenty of others. And Kennedy isn't some no-name senator, he's one with a big history, stature, and name recognition. He give a big speech. It was ignored.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_05_25_archive.html#7834482293112993939


Politics is policy, but it is also process.

It is terribly naive to think that you can ignore the process. If the process is not understood, there is no reason to trust those who gain power by such a process to then enact policies in our favor.

For all those who feel the anger and bickering has become pointless, try to keep in mind that there is interest here - beyond personalities, beyond policies - in shedding light on the process itself and confirming for ourselves that it's being conducted fairly.

Nice point.

In any case, I hereby pledge to never again write about how angry Hillary makes me. I will henceforth limit my comments to Bill.

Bill is criss-crossing the country. He is working hard for his wife's candidacy. He is also hurting the Democratic party.

Torn from the front pages of TPM:

Bill, Bill, Bill . . .
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/197106.php

Bill over the weekend on the campaign stump, [was] riffing about how no one has ever tried to run the also-ran candidates out of the Democratic race once there's a presumptive nominee, until this year, when it happened to Hillary.

Bill
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/192773.php

Former President Bill Clinton was in West Virginia on his wife's behalf. In Clarksburg, he called her a scrapper and contrasted her appeal among working-class voters with the elitists he said support Obama.

"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," he said. "In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."

Bill Clinton needs to shut up already if all he's got left to sell is resentment to voters we'd like to have onboard come November.

As this astute commenter lamented:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/seriously-folks-you-can-stop-w.php#comment-2855601

There's something about distortions of the truth and out and out lies that make me really angry.

I can handle a difference of opinion on most subjects, what I can't handle is when politicians try to manipulate me. Do you your best to persuade me, but don't insult my intelligence.

Unfortunately, Bill and [redacted] are so lost in Mendacityland, they no longer know how to make an honest case, for anything.

The only thing that pisses me off more than mendacious politicians who try to manipulate me are the Fourth Estate types who treat me with equal disdain and then think they deserve a pass when the public gets wise to the lies.

No doubt we'll be hearing these same Fourth Estate types, who ignored Ted Kennedy's opposition to the Iraq war in 2002, now wax eloquent about how Scotty McC doesn't deserve a pass for his role in disseminating Bush's disinformation.

And they'll be right. He doesn't. But neither do they.

I agree with this comment:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/seriously-folks-you-can-stop-w.php#comment-2854600

I think it can be extended ...

Campaigns become really boring if its supporters are just looking for reasons to be offended.

Bill's already found plenty. He'll keep finding more as long as his wife's campaign continues.

By the way, click on the first link:

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_05_25_archive.html#1426275251855217117

Or this link:

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9609.html

Either one will make your day.

God bless these guys:

http://www.89infdivww2.org

And if that doesn't brighten your mood, try this:

"During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama ... was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_05/013810.php

Or this:

Long time conservative activist Richard Viguerie:

Conservatives need to face reality. If John McCain ever was a conservative, he has not been one for many years. It's been at least a decade and a half ago since he veered off the conservative path. In 2000, he blamed us for his defeat and for the unfair treatment he received in that campaign, and it appears that he decided to teach us a lesson.

As Digby says ... These hardcore movement conservatives really don't want to win this one.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/with-friends-like-these-by-digby-long.html

They may not want to win this one, but we do, and for good reason:

Once In A Generation Is Now

We are used to ineffective Democratic representation in D.C. which seems easily stymied, or all too willing to go along with, conservatives. However, the 2008 elections present us with an opportunity to move away from that paradigm very quickly. These elections can give progressives power in D.C. that we haven't had since the 1930's. If that isn't something to get excited about, and to work our asses off to achieve, I don't know what is. Of course we should always remain wary, and of course we will still have huge fights ahead of us even if we pull off these electoral victories, but this is still a once in a generation opportunity. We can't afford to squander it.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=255B7120969A192CE22D756ADE33F0F9?diaryId=6032

Is it breaking my aforementioned pledge if I quietly link here:

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/05/21/clinton-calvinball/

As if the URL doesn't give the game away. Oh well.

It's spelled decidedly

I know, because I spelled that one wrong just yesterday.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/197382.php

Barry Nolan, journalist.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/27/barry-nolan/

So, I’m that TV guy who got fired by Comcast over Bill O’Reilly. I protested the fact that O’Reilly was chosen to receive the Governors Award at this year’s Emmy Awards ceremony. That’s the highest honor that they hand out. The important word here is: honor ...

So, on May 10th at the Emmy Awards dinner, I quietly passed out a document that contained – not my opinion – but O’Reilly’s own words and quotes from his sexual harassment lawsuit. And that is what got me fired. I got fired from my job on a news and information network for reporting demonstrably true things in a room full of news people ...

So, when exactly do they think we have the right to speak up? To speak the quiet simple truth, to people who have more power than us?

Well, I think now would be a good time ...

Meanwhile, if anyone needs any lawn work done or his or her car detailed – give me a call.

Barry Nolan. Journalist.

Katie Couric, pretend journalist.

To her credit, Couric admits that mistakes were made and that she could have done a better job vetting the administration’s claims; although she also admitted that the White House threatened to cut off her access after she filed critical reports.

To her credit, an honest pretend journalist.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/28/despite-mcclellan-criticism-network-anchors-still-refuses-to-re-evaluate-their-own-complicity/

Or, at this point, you could just read the front page that now provides this link ...

CNN's Yellin: Network execs killed critical White House stories

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0508/CNNs_Yellin_Network_execs_killed_critical_White_House_stories_.html

But if you'd been following this thread, you would've already figured that out by now - that the networks, and their anchors, are pathetic.

Trust me, it takes pathetic to know pathetic. Why else would I be here analyzin' and predictin' what you can count on becomin' 'news' even before you're able to hop off this thread and start pokin' around elsewhere?

Am I right? So where's the love?

Like Amarillo Slim said, "Nobody is always a winner, and anybody who says he is, is either a liar or doesn't play poker."

And like Gore Vidal said, "It's not enough to succeed. Others must fail."

If your opponent's not losing, you can't be winning, no matter how many successes you might be able to point to.

And if you're not winning, it's best to cut losses short and get out of the game.

I'm out.

Scratch that.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/seriously-folks-you-can-stop-w.php#comment-2855852

Wade Hussein Blazingame34 has just provided the kinda musical interlude that recharges one's batteries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc5YSAc-7g

Dixie Chicks endorse Obama....

I'm not ready to make nice
I'm not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell and
I don't have time to go round and round and round
It's too late to make it right
I probably wouldn't if I could
'Cause I'm mad as hell
Can't bring myself to do what it is you think I should

No, don't scratch that.

I'm still out.

Emotional appeals are problematic in the sense that they generally work both ways depending on one's confirmation bias.

We all quote the Dixie Chicks at our own peril.

It ain't sexy, but there it is.

Process. Either it's fair or it's not. My caterwauling or the Dixie Chicks' canorous contributions aside.

Disheartening, but not unexpected:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/until-the-votes-are-cast.php

As I commented over at Don's thread:

I've had an inkling that the plan was to take this to the convention ever since catching a BBC broadcast a few months ago in which a - purportedly neutral - American observer came on and offered the view that "taking it to the convention" was not so uncommon in the American system and not something to get overly-concerned about.

I subsequently tried, and failed, to locate that broadcast online. As an expat American, whose only broadcast news source at home happens to be the BBC, it was particularly chilling, in the sense that it led me to understand that this was the line that was being propagated by the campaign "under the radar" to the BBC-viewing demographic.

Since then, I've watched the spin unfold online with a sinking feeling in my gut that my initial reaction was spot on. The plan is to take this to the convention. It will only be thwarted if it's rendered totally unpalatable.

New title: Incessantly Commenting on One's own Post can Come to No Good.

True or False?

Admittedly, I'm the reason Josh has declined our offers of our kingdoms for an edit function.

All hell would break loose.

But, I'd be getting rec'd, so what do I care?

This is genius/madness. I love it.


And while I'm blowing smoke up yer avatar...

As a true sign of your avatar's design genius I've noticed it's already been ripped off by another poster here on TPM.

Thanks for commenting (Lord knows I could use an additional avatar around here to break up the monotony - and yours is totally cool).

But more to the point:

Who? Where?

And most importantly: Why?

OK, admittedly, 'why' is not all that important. I just wanna know 'who' ... I can figure out the 'where' easily enough.

Cheers. You rock. Unless you're unwilling to name names. In which case, you suck.

And, yeah, for anyone who's happened to wander in late to this game, if you try to infer from my latest rant that I'm not the communitarian I claim to be, well, just comment and rec and we'll discuss all that later.

In the meantime, names.

Cheers.

Oh, and I live in Taiwan, for Chrissakes. I know full well that mimicry is not the highest form of flattery ... it's merely the simplest form of subverting my dearly-held hoity-toity form of advanced capitalism, so F*** you, you as-yet-to-be-named mimicker person.

This dude (link below) clearly adopted your "supermodify the generic avatar icon" idea. He seems to be on the right side of the argument at hand at least...

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/profile/Indie%20Pro

Yeah, but to quote Indie Pro's latest comment ...

"I'm not looking for a reason to be offended. I'm taking it easy. No worries."

Dude reads to me like an OK Obama supporter. As such, feel free, Mr. Pro. My avatar still kicks your Photoshopped goatee-sportin' avatar's ass, but that don't mean we can't all get along.

Unless there's some other issue that Colonel Sanders wants to bring to my attention?

Just kiddin', Colonel. You're good people, too.

He seems to be on the right side of the argument at hand at least...

So, why did I respond as if I was contradicting MartinX?

Because I'm an idiot.

Noted thusly for all the Heathers fans out there.

Getting back to my train of thought ...

The Zaftig Redhead deserves your rec ...

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/mcclellans-revelations-just-th.php

As Zaftig, the redhead, reports:

"What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary," McClellan reportedly writes in the book. Boy Howdy, Scott. You do have a gift for understatement. But don't think this let's you off the hook. Don't think this book somehow absolves you. You are still complicit. While it took some stones to write this book when you did, it would have been infinitely better if you'd grown a pair and actually spoken up at the time.

By which the redhead named Zaftig obviously means to imply that Greg Sargent owes us all a big apology. Not to mention Andrew for being Greg's BFF. Because, you know, when we all look back, we're all gonna wonder, about the whole 'speaking up at the time' thing ...

Just my own objective reading. Nothing more.

The assumption was that Bush (and even more to the point, Colin Powell) would never have told us the war was necessary if that weren't the case -- because who would do that? No one we'd put in charge. Just as Hillary would never have stirred the pot on purpose—because that would be evil and she isn't evil, thus she couldn't have done it.

Bingo.

It's tough for most people to admit they're wrong. Often more so when the error involves endorsement of another, exempli gratia casting a ballot.

I suspect this phenomenon is at least partly responsible for supplying King George with so lengthy a free-ride, and why we now see some till-death-do-us-part support for Senator Clinton.

You, IIOOII, have earned my undying gratitude.

Not because you're obviously one smart cookie, and not because you've led me to ponder once again how it is that I came to be such an insightful MoFo, but rather, because, at this point, I need every last rec I can muster.

I'm dyin' here, it ain't pretty, and you lent a hand. Cheers.

As a matter of fact, I did recommend this post because I thought it was extremely well-researched and carried an important message.

Please, out of curiosity - how did you know that I did?

It is my understanding that recommended reader posts do not show up in one's profile. Did you see the "recommended" count increment and (correctly as it turns out) assume it was yours truly?

Thanks.

Bingo. (sorry)

I deduced from the uptick in my rec count that occurred around the same time as your comment that you must be the culprit.

Some assumptions are safer than others, particularly where lame posts like this one are concerned.

All lameness notwithstanding, I still intend to whore this post as aggressively as I can. If you were to assist, I imagine that would be considered post pimping. As it turns out, I think I might actually be better at pimping others' posts than whoring my own. We'll see. I may make it yet.

Phew. Made it.

I have to admit that I was worried there for a sec and started thinking maybe, just maybe, what I'm bringing just ain't racy enough for the younger set, for the kidz, for the dumb punks who better vote for Obama 'cuz I've got hard-earned money riding on this one, or else! (exclamated just to prove that Clinton's crew ain't the only one that's gonna be 'bringing this to the convention' if things get messy).

By the way, my lame-ass jokes would work better if I had a strikethrough function.

And I suspect it's Josh who's denying me that functionality, but let's blame Andrew. Just for today. Because what's in store for that boy's got nuthin to do with deserve. And 'boy' is a term that I wouldn't normally use, except that Morgan Freeman was in that one movie I liked, which makes me an enlightened white guy who can toss epithets around at leisure. And no, I did not have offensivetoyou in mind when I constructed that last sentence. It just came out of nowhere - otherwise known as 'off the top of my head which is located somewhere in my racist gut'.

But I digress.

Back to my original point, I think you know what I'm talking about. The same wet-behind-the-ears crew that recommended this post:

Bill Clinton sees disrespect on the campaign trail! Seriously?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/bill-clinton-sees-disrespect-o.php

It's from all the way back on May 25th, but go check it.

69 recommends.

69 exactly.

69 and no more.

What's up with that?

What's up is disrespect. From the young'uns. They think it's funny that this otherwise worthy post about 'Bill seeing disrespect on the campaign trail' is gonna somehow wind up with 69 recs and that none of us old fogies are gonna notice.

Well, guess again, junior.

You're young. You'll catch on soon enough that that kinda thing's not welcome around here.

Moving on ...

David Kurtz is the best thing that ever happened to TPM, outside of Josh, but "DECIDELY" is still not a word.

Apparently, the lack of an EDIT function extends beyond the Café.

David, fwiw, we feel your pain.


But didn't Bush claim to have a direct line to God?

And Qwerty makes 13.

Am I wrong, Qwerty?

Either way, you rock.

As to your comment, you're gonna have to allow me a moment to ponder your non sequitur.


As it turns out, he does.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_AMh7ECpVds4/RmyBh8MJ-nI/AAAAAAAAANI/XT4LP5L8urc/s1600-h/pope_bush.jpg

Burn in hell, you doubter.

Which gets me to 12. Awesome. I might as well be posting at Hillaryis44.org. Didn't y'all get the memo? Obama is my Morrison, the Morrison of Five to One:

The old get old
And the young get stronger
May take a week
And it may take longer
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
We're takin' over
Come on!

Yeah!

...

12?

"12" is not a number, and nowhere near "numbers" ...

Sorry, Jim. I tried. The TPM culture just ain't where it needs to be yet to properly honor your legacy.

I echo Samantha Powers..."Monster!"

She's definitely got powers, but she's otherwise known as Samantha Power.

And since you apparently are gettin' all up in my face about this, I'm gonna have to echo some Greg Sargent ...

I used the word "svengali" to describe Power when I meant "guru." Words cannot express how sorry I am for this horrible insult. As a result, I am now resigning from this post and deeply regret any damage I did to it.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/power_resigns_over_hillaryismo.php

Hilarious!

I, on the other hand, always remember to proofread campaign material thoroughly before posting.

As if! It's lots more fun to just to throw it out there and scorn the losers who beg to differ with "my" characterizations.

Rock on! No harm, no foul. And if I'm commenting here, it's a sure bet I'm harmless.


... to just throw ...

sans the weird "to" ...

So much for my 'proofreading' angle ... let's face it, we all make mistakes - where's that damn unity pony? I'm ready to saddle up.

And it's got nuthin to do with my suddenly realizing I've been making a fool of myself.

It's just time ... because I'm bigger than all the garbage you relentless, hateful commenters have brought to this thread.

Happy now?

Don't mind me.

I just resent that a certain Andrew Golis now has something like 224 responses to his post.

Who exactly does he think he is?

You'd think he worked here or something.

As if making this all possible is supposed to count for something.

:-)

Just in case it doesn't display properly, that's a smiley face directly above this line.

And just in case it doesn't display properly, it's all Andrew's fault.

Oh, crap. It displayed properly. Andrew's OK.

avatar

This has needed to be said! I don't need to be adding my remarks at this point, but - job well done.

It is maddening at times:

Q: Why would you stay in the race?
A: Because my opponent could be assassinated, remember RFK?

As I, along with many Americans, reacted with shock and amazement that she could be even contemplating such an event ocurring between now and june (in THIS race); her supporters are flat out telling me and others not to be upset, because that is NOT what she said. I saw and heard it, it is what she said.

It is not only this occasion. They've given her the benefit of the doubt everytime!

And thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

Once the madness sets in, most folks tend to keep their distance.


That was supposed to be funny, but now it's kinda creepin' me out.

You know why you're getting so few comments, Mr. Blanco? You're too good. Posting here feels almost like sacrilege. Or at least stepping all over someone's freshly cleaned carpet in dirty old shoes. It's disturbing the pattern. Please continue.

I think you're right.

I think you're right.

You're both wonderful. Late to the party, but still wonderful.

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