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Our Hijacked Primary
This post from another blog says almost everything - except how the media, as usual, is deciding our candidate, and as always, will decide the general election.
Comment by michelle | 2008-05-22 01:27:03
I don’t want to sound like too much of a conspiracy theorist or anything, but here goes.
Could it be possible that the DNC, from the beginning, was hellbent on forcing Clinton out and making Obama the nominee? Look at the way Dean handled the various states with early primaries:
New Hampshire– no penalty
Iowa– no penalty, Obama spends a lot of time/money here
South Carolina– no penalty, majority of primary voters are AA
Michigan–Clinton very popular, Obama a virtual unknown. Instead of stripping the supers and having the pledged delegates count for half, Dean and co. do something utterly unprecedented: none of the delgates count
Florida– Clinton extremely popular here, Obama a virtual unknown. Same unusual treatment suffered by Michigan.
Florida and Michigan had 313 pledged delegates up for grabs and would have given an early victory and lead in the delegates.
Iowa, NH, and SC? Whopping total of 141 pledged delegates.
Further, we all know that Obama wanted to delegitimize the results of Michigan by taking his name off the ballot and that he convinced Edwards to do the same. The rules did not require this in any shape of form. (did Axelrod plan this, so that Obama could later claim the uncommitted vote?). They all agreed not to campaign, but as we know, Obama violated that because of campaign commercials in Florida.
Iowa went according to plan, but NH did not. In order to win, Obama had to fraudulently claim that the Clintons were racists before the SC primary. The only way he is leading in the delegate count today was because of the points SC memo, convincing AA voters that the Clintons were racists. The DNC aided and abetted Obama and Axelrod (Clyburn, Donna Brazile “upset” with Bill Clinton, etc) since this was the ONLY way to prevent Clinton from getting the nomination.
I’m sorry for this rather inartful post, but reading this article got me thinking. And the thought just wouldn’t go away, and I think there’s a reason for this. Whatever the hell is true, I am THIS MUCH MORE dedicated to getting Michigan and Florida to count the way they voted (Obama gets NOTHING from the Michigan primary!!!!).
If clinton does not win, I hope someone will look into what I have said.
Comments (34)
I know you Obama-paid Trolls have to make your $4 an hour by wrecking this blog with vacuous snot.
So go for it.
May 22, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
This really captures the heart of the "reasoning" here. Anyone that points out the obvious flaws in his argument will be labeled as not just a troll, but a paid troll by this guy. He is obviously not trying to engage in any kind of meaningful discussion but appears satisfied to spread smears and innuendo. I wouldn't waste my time crafting well-reasoned rebuttals as he'll dismiss them with ad hominem complaints that you are in on the conspiracy and/or a member of my legion of sock-puppets.
"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
May 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I, Hillary Clinton, your future president, endorse any and all conspiracy theories surrounding me or my candidacy.*
Leading the troll vote!
Leading the sock-puppet vote!
Leading the you all!
Much Love,
Hillary.
* Conspiracies officially sanctioned by the Hillary 08 election committee do not include any with the words "Foster", "White", "Water", "NAFTA" or "Gate", "Mohan", "Brown", "China", "Marvel Comics", "Hsu", "Always Low Prices, Always", "Pledged Delegates".
May 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess the DNC used their all seeing eye and set up the IA, NH, SC and NV as the first caucus states just for this election to help Obama?
It is not as if they have had these same states go first for years, right?
In fact, Terry McAuliffe, Clinton Campaign manager, had a very different view when he was head of the DNC:
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=1950
That is beyond conception.
If the DNC really wanted to sway it for Obama, they would have made Illinois one of the first primaray states since it is the most "average" according to census.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/05/17/census_shows_early_primary_states_are_far_from_average/
Your disconnect from reality is showing.
May 22, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are joking right? Making fun of Clinton supporters complete ignorance about the process?
May 22, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, not worth commenting on, actually. It's just too far-fetched for words.
May 22, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
especially when you didn't read it!
May 22, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I did indeed read it. I read the whole thing. I stand by my first comment.
May 22, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I'd have to say Occam's Razor is still a bit dull, and normally I use that line on the other crew.
May 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paranoid nonsense. Sounds like you pulled this crap straight off D.U.--a loony bin if there ever was one.
May 22, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
You idiots are too lazy to even read the articles!
You aren't even worth $4 an hour!
May 22, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
You smoke too much pot.
May 22, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok Specialist, I read your article and posted a reply above. Now in the true meaning of civil debate, I would like to direct your attention to the day before the NH primary. Please view the reports from that day. What was Hillary doing? You tell me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BB4Vvgn_4k
May 22, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Specialist - What exactly is your specialty? Judging by this post, it's propaganda.
May 22, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Typical Obamoron: post without even reading
the article.
May 22, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
dude, your tinfoil hat is slipping off a little.....
May 22, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Specialist: we read the article. It was moronic.
May 22, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
The funny thing is, does michelle and specialist think this conspiracy theory makes Clinton look good? I mean, after all, this "conspiracy" was supposedly done right in front of her, but she never spoke up about it! So, that makes me think that michelle and specialist must think Clinton is pretty dumb since this has been out there since 2007!
May 22, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pre-Internet, these elaborate conspiracy theories used to crack me up. Now there are just too damn many of them. Every idiot with a computer takes 1/3 of the facts, comes up with some moronic nonsense and posts it online. Along with the 3 R's, schools need to start teaching Occam's Razor as one of the basic requirements. It would have saved specialist all that unnecessary cutting and pasting.
May 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or not enough!
May 22, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Specialist: You are a loon. Seriously. You are delusional. I don't know if you are permanently parted from reality but for now I would recommend to get away from the computer, get out, and stop thinking about politics. It's not good for you.
May 22, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'll answer this one if someone promises to respond to other drive-by bloggers.
Iowa, N.H., South Carolina and Nevada were the first four states on the DNC calendar to hold primaries. (They weren't penalized because they were designated the first four states to hold their primaries. These states adjusted the dates of their primaries but not in violation of the calendar or the four state pledge.
MI and FL were hellbent on moving their primaries up.
To enforce the DNC calendar, the candidates signed the four-state pledge, ensuring that they would not campaign or participate in any primary in a state that moved the date of its primary ahead of any of the four states.
MI and FL did not abide by the calendar, the DNC ruled that they would be stripped of all their delegates, and all the candidates
acknowledged these consequences and understood the results in these primaries would not count and didn't protest.
The leading democratic candidates removed their names from the Michigan ballot.
After the MI and FL primaries, Sen. Clinton changed her mind and petitioned the DNC to include the results as is.
Everything else you mentioned is nonsense.
May 22, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, obviously in 1920 they New Hampshire made it's primary the first in the nation knowing that Obama would be born one day and run for president against Hillary Clinton, even though she wasn't even born yet either. Shit, John McCain wasn't even born!
Iowa was the next state to get involved in the conspiracy 40 years ago, after seeing how cute Obama was as a child:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Remainders_Sunshine.html
Not wanting to be left out SC and NV got in on the act just this year ensuring that Hillary Clinton would not be president of the United States.
May 22, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
And at the time of the decision, this statement applied to every state and territory:
Clinton extremely popular here, Obama a virtual unknown.
May 22, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree with the post, but by Jan/Feb2007, Obama was already polling up around McCain & Hillary, even before he announced. Not that unknown.
May 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
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May 22, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Kim Fowley. I actually own the single. Early rap?
May 22, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great huh? I love this song and Dr. Demento's stuff too.
May 22, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hm. Seems like brains get hijacked too. Where's Billy Glad, saying that the posts of Clinton supporters impress him as so much more intelligent than those of Obama supporters?
May 22, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Billy Glad--the voice of faux reason.
May 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
DNC Delegate Selection rules, 20.C.1a and 20.C.7. All that needs to be said.
May 22, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wipe the spittle flecks off your monitor, please.
May 22, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, MI doesn't favor Hillary, there's every reason to believe Obama could have won it, or even Edwards. And if THAT had happened, the whole spectrum of the race would change--so if anyone should be pissed, it's Edwards.
Also, since most of the superdelegates who came out early supported Hillary, it defies reason to suggest the party establishment was against her.
The things you say about the calendar are just wrong--the whole point is Iowa and NH and SC are supposed to be first, and MI and FL were trying to muscle in. Or, as the Clinton campaign said back when they signed the pledge not to participate:
Here is every candidate's response back in August of last year. You'll notice no one was muscling anyone else.
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/chrnothp08/pledge083107resp.html
May 22, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
MI doesn't favor Hillary? Last I heard, she won by quite a large margin.
May 22, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
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