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Oh Hell No.


We've discussed the impending sense of anxiety those sympathetic to white supremacy, white hegemony, white superiority--whatever you want to call it, feel when they look at a brilliant and successful black person who succeeds despite the odds and puts the lie to their very faith (and white supremacy is more a matter of "faith" than anything else) but you have to be stunned by the unbelievable ignorance of Kathleen Parker's latest column for the Chicago Tribune, even if you read that gay-baiting mess in the Post today.


The fact that Parkers is syndicated by the Washington Post Writers Group shows how utterly mainstream nativist white thought is--you would never see Louis Farrakhan with a nationally syndicated column, the backlash would be enormous. Yet here is Parker, lauding the virtues of "full-blooded" Americans.



Full-bloodedness is an old coin that's gaining currency in the new American realm. Meaning: Politics may no longer be so much about race and gender as about heritage, core values, and made-in-America. Just as we once and still have a cultural divide in this country, we now have a patriot divide.

The answer has nothing to do with a flag lapel pin, which Obama donned for a campaign swing through West Virginia, or even military service, though that helps. It's also not about flagpoles in front yards or magnetic ribbons stuck on tailgates.

It's about blood equity, heritage and commitment to hard-won American values. And roots.

Some run deeper than others and therein lies the truth of Fry's political sense. In a country that is rapidly changing demographically—and where new neighbors may have arrived last year, not last century—there is a very real sense that once-upon-a-time America is getting lost in the dash to diversity.

We love to boast that we are a nation of immigrants. But there's a different sense of America among those who trace their bloodlines back through generations of sacrifice.

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Yet, white Americans primarily—and Southerners, rural and small-town folks especially—have been put on the defensive for their concerns with "guns, God and gays," as Howard Dean put it in 2003. And more recently, for clinging to "guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them," as Obama described white, working-class Pennsylvanians who preferred his opponent.



Steve Benen has already discussed this and pointed out that Obama's grandfather served in World War II but I want to further challenge the very premise that there is such a thing as a "full blooded American". What she means by this of course, is "white Americans". She makes this plain in that last paragraph.


What Parker needs is a history lesson. (PAUSE Let's not forget about Native-Americans. PLAY) There are white men on our dollar bills, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that black men bled on battlefields in the pursuit of American independence. Before our ancestors were more than three-fifths of a person they fought to share a dream that would be denied them for hundreds of years later, that promissory note MLK talked about. They fought to preserve the Union even before Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Our ancestors fought in World War I only to come home and be lynched in uniform. We fought in World War II, despite the fact that units were still segregated, and we were still treated as second class citizens under the law.


Full blooded? This nation's history is full of the blood of our ancestors and their sacrifices, and the only reason I can't "trace my bloodline" back to prove it is back then we were listed next to pitchforks and lanterns as farm equipment. Full blooded? How could we be full blooded anything? That choice was taken from us--we wear that reality in our skin tones and hair textures. You may have forgotten but we haven't.


Make no mistake, racists at every level tried to prevent our ancestors from fighting, because the very act of sacrificing for this country made it as much ours as it did theirs, despite the centuries they would spend trying to deny it. Those denials continue.


So Parker wants to play Patriot Games? Let's go. No one loves this country more than we love this country, because we loved this country even when it didn't love us. Nobody can say that like we can say it. This isn't about Obama's father being from Kenya--Parker's racialized understanding of what is "American" is as exclusive as possible. No one was talking about "full-blooded Americans" when Joe Lieberman was running for Vice President; she is talking about any American who does not share the color of her skin.


I said more than a year ago
that this election would be an argument over what we define as American. Parker and her "conservative" friends want American to mean "white". What I forgot, and what they don't realize, is that history has already settled everything.


Comments (108)

The Chicago Tribune has always disparaged Obama.

You also need to be wary of Lynn Sweet of the same newspaper.

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Lynn Sweet writes for the Chicago Sun-Times. Between the two Chi-town papers, the Sun-Times is the more "Obama wary" and more "conservative." (Inconvenient, but true.)

Thanks,

Something was confusing me as I wrote that. I should have checked for accuracy.

And yet, didn't both of these papers endorse him, one of them twice ?

Maybe we should ask her.

kparker@kparker.com

Also I'd like to know why she writes so often for RealClear Politics and TOWNHALL!

Maybe they just know him a little better than you do.

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I started to read Parker's article and stopped in disgust very soon. I work in a very small town with a population of about 1500 people. There is a very small grocery store, but it is the only grocery store in town and the owners have a little more money than most other people. In this town, if you are even an extended relative of the grocery store owner, but you still have the same last name, then you have more power. The teachers at the school will treat you with more respect. The police force of three will defer to you. You will always be an important member of the PTA if you want to be. If you want to be in charge of anything at all, right down to fund raising for your daughter's dance class, you will be. This little microcosm has made me think a lot about America. It seems that some people can only be big if they make other people small. My family has been in America for several hundred years too. I don't know everything they ever did, but if some of my relatives are indicative, that isn't anything to brag about to the detriment of some immigrants I've known.

Sometimes listening to people with whom you disagree is a healthy strategy.

I think some people miss part of Parker's point, and some rather important implications.
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Blacks and whites built the American brand together over hundreds of years. It was not a marriage of choice for the blacks, but I think it would be abhorrent to dismiss their work by assigning the same respect to an Ethiopian or Vietnamese or Brit who just landed at the airport. It's been a nation based on proof of worth as much as endowment. If they work hard, they will gain respect, but they may or may not gain as much respect as a family that has been contributing for generations. Of course a family can fall into disrepute as well, but there's a certain status and benefit of doubt given to years of service, especially when we consider people of all races sacrificing or putting their life on the line in military service.

To counter the Polish comment below, Barack Sr. was not an immigrant by conscious choice - he was not an immigrant at all. He came here to get an education and abandoned a child here and went back to his country. Barack Jr.'s mother seemed more interested in being Indonesian than American - not that living abroad takes away your American rights, but if you're more focused on other cultures, you may not be the right one to represent the American brand at the highest level. If Chuck Hagel turned Democrat tomorrow, would you want him representing the party as Presidential nominee over Chris Dodd or Bill Richardson? So yes, multi-generational Americans might quite rightly believe that they're more invested in this country than recent immigrants and especially more than illegal immigrants. They might feel more comfortable with someone who's invested in the long-term viability of the brand rather than a young punk out of marketing school pushing some new theory that might or might not take the company into bankruptcy.

You might argue that these people are wrong, but I think you'd be foolish to dismiss them as unthinking and simply racist. If you recall, it wasn't that long ago that blacks were wondering if Obama had the credentials and loyalty to represent their brand - "black enough" as some simplistically put it. Thinking people want a reference check before they give away the farm. Trust comes with time, familiarity, and performance.

I meant to point out that the Constitution still denies naturalized citizens becoming President, for similar concerns about loyalty. And when you hear the dismissive terms with which people dismiss West Virginia, they just might well be right.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here Des. Is the first sentence supposed to relate to the second? And I can't recall anyone dismissing WV; it seems people have taken WV's vote as it fits the whole picture. They've given +11 delegates (maybe more) I think to Clinton, correct? Are you saying we should toss out all the earlier delegates in favor of how WV votes? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

"I can't recall anyone dismissing WV". Really?

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West Virginia just has a lot of people whose hearts may be in a somewhat right place but economics, FOX News (I speak from experience), some people's lack of education (especially in civics) and some other stuff kind of warps their sense of patriotism into something less amenable. It's the kind of place Jefferson would have to fight to win if he were alive today.

I completely agree. Barack Sr. should not be elected President.

Especially when we tend to not elect dead people. Wait...why is McCain running again...?

Assimilation. Clinton paid and is still paying for failing to assimilate. Obama doesn't even know where to begin. The only way he can possibly lose to McCain is if the electorate decides he is a little too much the outsider.

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Always worry about people who talk about core values and then procede to trounce them.

I second mischief. Hardily.

There are too many people in positions of authority and power in this country who legitimize bigotry. This GE campaign will be an opportunity for others in positions of authority and power to publicly correct them, clearly, definitively, resoundingly. Let's hope it happens.

My grandfather was a Polish immigrant. An ill-mannered, ignorant relative-by-marriage was badgering him one day, telling him she felt herself to be a "better American" because she was born here.

His reply?

He simply told her that her American citizenship was an accident of birth, and that his was the result of a conscious choice.

A wise man, he was...

Likewise, Americans with "bloodlines" and "heritage" have countries of origin, whether it's England, Poland, or Italy. African Americans have only one country: America. We don't have summer trips to ancestral lands (except those shaped by a lot of speculation and generalities). We don't have names that reflect our ethnic heritage, or homestyle cooking carried over from the old country. It took a lot of violence and repression, but apart from a few scattered musical and religious remnants of Africa, America's all we got.

If I were into the racial parsing of Americanness, I'd say that Parker's patriotism is "diluted" by the fact that she presumably also has another country, another tradition her ancestors brought with her, instead of America and America alone.

But I won't, because it would be a patently racist thing to say. Kathleen Parker is welcome in my America, even if I'm not a "full-blooded" member of hers. Indulge me if I think, though, that the "hard-won American values" she reveres are better reflected in my version.

Brilliant!

Perfect!

Well, except, I want her to define "full-blooded."

Excellent posts, professor and old grouch.

Well, the real point may be that Obama has more in his heart than you do, not less.

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I agree. I'm an American born, but dual citizen with Canada (my "ethnic" homeland). I grew up here and enjoyed the civics lesson, so I begged my mother not to move back to canada. In the course of things I learned a lot of bad stuff about what we've done as a country, but I just keep reminding myself of the adage, "my country right or wrong, to cheer when right and to right when wrong" or something like that.
Also,
"The best country in the world, they say. That may be, I haven't
really lived anywhere else. But its not good enough as far as I'm
concerned."
Ella Baker

America is about improving yourself. So why not improve the country?

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if you're not full blooded, go to a hospital and get a fillup

most of the people I see on the steets seem to be full blooded, at least, they all LOOK like they have enough blood in them

other than anemics, who ISN'T a full-blooded American ???

you trying to tell me that there is some differnce in the blood ???

turn this stupid shit on its' head and watch em squirm

LOL!

I like your attitude, sir.


And I would like to say to Prof Darkheart that Americans of all colors have origins - and they are often very damn surprising if you go to the trouble to have them analyzed.

I thought I knew where my mother's family came from. I had no idea. I had my mitochondrial DNA analyzed. Found out that I'm 1/8 African and I know where the genetic markers are: Ghana, the Congo, the Central African Republic - all of which are close enough to Benin that I'm sure whoever she was she was either a slave or descended from one. I had no idea.

Just as surprising for someone whose entire family as far as I knew were Protestant Christians, it turns out that I am genetically more Jewish than anything else. Mostly Ashkenazi out of Poland; however I also have two separate Sephardi lines from the middle east.

Professor - you can find out where you came from. It's easy and not expensive, sir. You ought to do it.

My family actually has done the DNA thing. The Africa and the Europe parts were not surprising, but the East Asia...that's going to require some serious research.

I am glad that science can offer us a sharper glimpse of "origins" than was previously available to (any of) us, and there's a certain satisfaction in having the name of a place, of a tribe, to mull over.

But on the other hand, getting the result of that DNA test back was also a kind of reminder of how little I knew about any of those origins because the Africa part was intentionally erased and the Europe part was not acknowledged as my inheritance at all. I'm interested in following up both sides, but that biological trail is, to me, less substantive than the cultural trail that makes me American. Which I don't feel bad about at all; it's just that when I've thrown in my lot with America, with what I think is a very patriotic optimism that its ideals can still matter when they're so badly borne out in my own family history, it feels like a particularly unfair slap in the face to be called a half-breed by the likes of that airbrushed moron.

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and to answer your supposition that I "have to be stunned by the unbelievable ignorance of Kathleen Parker's latest column":

not really

I been around the innertubz a while now

this ain't my first rodeo, dude

novakula outing a NOK agent ???, that was a stunner

this is just par for the course from the repuglitard media. you're gonna see a lot more of this in the near future

the repuglitards are so predictable that I was ready to contradict your assertion just by hearing the name kathleen parker

the repuglitard media is tooooooo predictable

come to think of it, I don't really need this scorecard anymore ...

anybody ???

slightly used repuglitard score card ???

only ripped in half twice ...

"Innertubz" is brilliant. It goes into my box of favorite words along with Barackarate.

And lets not forget that the fortunes of our early nation were built on the backs of slaves.

We would not be the nation we are if they had not done the work for us. For nothing more than room and board and a beating now and then.

I agree, black Americans should be proud of what they did in all of our wars, but they made an even greater contribution to our nation's early rise to wealth and power in that they carried that load.

Hard working Americans?

At least us whites knew something of freedom as we toiled and fought to build our early nation. But compared to those slaves, our burden was nothing.

The ancestors of our black brothers and sisters bore a much bigger burden than any of us can ever claim.

It is one shameful fact about our history that I think we too often forget. And it is a debt we can never repay. We can only hope to give their progeny opportunites they were denied.

My Scottish and English ancestors were here 140 years before the Revolution. If anyone has a claim on blood equity, i's me.

But I don't believe any of my ancestors worked as hard as America's slaves did to create the wealth that this nation needed to overcome and throw-off thier own English yoke. And those slaves did it for much less reward.

The Civil War should have ended all of this "blood equity" talk, once and for all.

Too bad so many young southerners have been brainwashed over the years to live as an expression of their ancestor's bitter and righteous defeat.

I wrote a song about it, put it to "Ashokan Farewell" the theme song of Ken Burns' Civil War series... it expresses my contempt for Ms. Parker's "blood equity" bigotry, about as well as any words might.

"Well the Civil War,
was long and bloody,
And it sent many men to their graves..
Some fought for their lives,
and some for vain glory,
And some fought to liberate millions of slaves.

Well when Old John Brown,
he died on the gallows,
His final words, they rang true,
That each drop of blood,
drawn by the whiplash,
was paid back in warfare before it was through..."

Those first two verses say it all.

When will they ever learn?

One last self-reply comment here...

"Trace their bloodlines through generations of sacrifice"???

It is ironic, that it was one of my own Parker ancestors from southern Indiana who died in the Civil War fighting for the Yankees.

And some others of the same family lines were in the Hornet's Nest, on the Iowa side of that battle.

So while Ms. Parker's bloodlines may actually intersect mine, apparently the virtues and values of those ancestors did not pass down both branches.

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Wow, I think you're the first person I've met who's ancestors came here before the mid-1800's (the people from my town and Wellesley don't talk much).

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You've never met an african-american?

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Good point, I always forget that (I was thinking of mayflower people), even though I was thinking of pointing that out in one of my posts myself.

Exactly. The Mayflower arrived in 1620, the first Africans in 1619. We were here before the Pilgrims.

O Hell No indeed. I just posted this to the trib comments:

I refuse to rate this because I don't think it even deserves one star. Why don't you just say what you mean - that Barack Obama doesn't deserve to be president because he is black. At least that way you'd be ignorant, foolish, short-sighted, and HONEST, instead of using "some people think" to hide your own views.

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At first, it kind of read like a profile of the racist mind. I was actually thinking you might have misinterpreted until those ending statements, which swung towards A Modest Proposal despite their obvious earnestness.

The only flaw I ever see in the immigrant community is the occasional wonder of why anybody would want to come here anymore, given what the republicans have done to it. They are much braver than I.

I rarely protest aloud to my computer, but I did at this:

We love to boast that we are a nation of immigrants. But there's a different sense of America among those who trace their bloodlines back through generations of sacrifice.
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She's so fucking wrong in so many fucking ways, but the sacrifices of her elders are frankly irrelevant to the "fullness" of her American identity. I don't share this with my 145th generation American friends very often, but I suspect that the longer the bloodline is located in America the less likely it is that the values most cherished by the piously xenophobic just don't matter that much. Instead, what matters is money, status, class, and identifying and eliminating the Stranger.

America isn't about purity; Parker's precious bloodline can't resist the power and passion of millions of new Americans. In fact, she doesn't know how good she has it, with first and second generation immigrants propping up her sorry white-bread ass.

The right AND the ability to disagree, to struggle, to flourish and prosper psychically as well as spiritually, that's America. And as much as she has a right to be a complete and shameless idjit, I'll keep spraying sputum at my poor Mac every time I have to read this kind of offal.

Yeesh. Thanks, Bserious; as pissy as it makes me, I need to keep remembering that xenophobia and race hate is hale and hearty well outside the confines of Appalachia.

Word - and very well said.

This is - the Right has nuttin'. The Republicans are out of money, out of ideas, have no accomplishments to point to for their 12 years majority to say: Hey, we did this! I did this! Except the bogus tax cuts and everyone is on that scam.

So they will take the lowest of the low roads.


And I'm glad - it's gonna make it that much easier to pick 'em off from up here.

;)

This should have been Thing. Thing is...

Gotcha, I knew what you meant. I just read my post and there was a whole lot of alliteration in there. My mom, the Alliterator from Hell, would be proud.

I was mad enough to dash off a letter to the Post Writers' Group, which syndicates Ms. Parker. Since they probably won't read it, here it is for y'all:

To the editors:

I'm writing in reference to Kathleen Parker's column of May 14, 2008, entitled "Getting Bubba." I'd like to declare up front that my politics are decidedly liberal, and that Parker is not a writer with whom I'm likely to agree about anything of substance. But I'm also a political junkie, and an avid consumer of opinions to the left and to the right of my own. I like to keep track of how the conservatives are spinning things, and occasionally I'm even persuaded by an argument from their side of the line. I don't venture into the wilds of the opinion pages with a chip on my shoulder, but with firm opinions and an open mind.

But Ms. Parker's column crossed a line. There is only one word for its underlying logic, and it is racism. Ms. Parker cites Josh Fry, quoted in a Howard Kurtz column ("Hillary Agonistes," 5/13/08) detailing the "bogus rumors" about nationality and religion that have been circulating around Barack Obama's candidacy, as having "hit upon something essential in this presidential race." It is indeed, of course, a "bogus rumor" that one's "blood" has anything to do with one's Americanness, or that Obama is anything other than a "natural born" American citizen (he's not the presidential candidate whose ability to meet this standard is in doubt). Ms. Parker's column, though, offers full faith and credit to Fry's ideas, and everything that follows from this premise is a logical shambles and my high school civics teacher's worst nightmare.

But I've never been moved by bad thinking or bad writing to protest the publication of an opinion piece. I protest now because Ms. Parker's piece is not just bad but utterly base. "Blood equity, heritage, and commitment," Ms. Parker informs us, are the true tests of patriotism. Her language transparently derives from the lexicons, respectively, of the John Birch Society, the Ku Klux Klan, and McCarthyism. Throughout the piece she implies that American citizens who can't trace their origins back through "generations of sacrifice" on native soil don't "get America." That America is what's "getting lost in the dash to diversity" as if America can be defined as a single culture and any late arrivals are a threat, not an addition, to that culture. That not a single rural white voter's "antipathy toward people who aren't like them" is inspired by racism or xenophobia but that all such antipathy is excused by a legitimate concern for the rule of law. All of this is jingoistic cant. But what specifically marks it as racist is not just its reference to the language of purity and heritage beloved by white supremacists for centuries back, but its clear suggestion that their descendants purchase for whites of European extraction a stake in America that others don't share. In fact, America's "dash to diversity" began when Ms. Parker's ancestors abducted my ancestors and brought them to these shores (those who weren't killed by the journey) to labor in forced servitude on pain of death. (The genocide of Native Americans even before that could euphemistically be labeled a dash away from diversity.) I certainly don't blame her for those ancestral crimes, nor do I argue that she is any less American for inheriting a culture steeped in values so profoundly un-American as those that justified them. But I, sharing Barack Obama's racial heritage, am apparently not in turn a "full-blooded American" to her.

Usually, if a piece angers me enough, I will write to its author to explain my objections. But I have nothing to say to Ms. Parker. I write instead to her sponsors to urge you to discontinue her syndication in your group, and to reject her prejudices publicly. She makes no argument but an appeal to what is worst in us and her logic, implicitly and explicitly, falls outside the bounds of reasoned opinion meriting a public airing. I am not a paid subscriber to any of the newspapers in which Ms. Parker's column is carried. I can make no threats to withhold my patronage from her employers. I can only appeal to your sense of decency and your guardianship of your own prestige. I do both now. Please say no, forcefully and unequivocally, to the author of any opinion that serves only to legitimate racial bigotry in public discourse.

Professordarkheart nailed it.
Parker's column is a bid to put a gloss of logic and respectability on what would otherwise be naked, inchoate racism.
What, you expected Obama's success to date to produce some other reaction?
The possibility of his election -- especially if followed by eight productive, positive years -- would refute a whole gamut of tacit, even unconscious racist assumptions.
Worldviews are being challenged here.
Even as he inspires hope in so many, Obama inspires fear in others deeply invested in their racial identity. Parker's column is just a tentative first draft of what to expect between now and November.
Hey, it's all good. Even the rough spots are transformational.
I'd even like to hear Obama say, at some point when the racial innuendo and mudslinging peaks, "And if you find in your heart that you can't bring yourself to vote for a black man, that is your democratic right.
"I would hope you consider my policies and proposals, and decide they outweigh my racial makeup. But if I have misjudged the mood and the maturity of the American electorate, then I deserve to lose."
Lay it out there: American voters are being given a choice. And -- as the axiom goes -- they will get the government they deserve.
Those of us in the rest of the world are banking on Obama but, hey, it's your call.

acanuck -- "American voters are being given a choice."

Let's hope our *life or death* choice doesn't strain too many of us with overwhelming confusion about which to choose!

Well, I would call that a clear, definitive and resounding response. Well-said, Professor!

thank you, prof! that was a real delight!*^

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She sounds hung up on race. But then so do you.

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I don't like you views but I like your picture.

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I tend to side with Bill Murray's character in Stripes on this, "We're all very different people. We're not Watusi, we're not Spartans, we're Americans. With a capital "A", huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts."

Except maybe the Indians but who knows? 15,000 years ago some stronger Asian tribe might have said "there's only so much elk around here, you guys gotta go, why don't you go chase that herd of mastodons east across the Bering Strait ice bridge before we put a beating on you?" And of course black folks, they didn't get kicked out Africa, they got dragged out at the point of a gun in chains.

As for Parker, when the Iranians detained those British sailors a few years back including a couple of women and held them for a few weeks Ahmadinejad issued a press release lambasting Western nations for allowing women to serve in the military. Kathleen Parker wrote a column agreeing with him. She's every bit as enlightened as the Iranian president. So as Carl Spackler might say "she's got that goin for her".

Which brings me back to another Bill Murray quote from SNL on Weekend Update back in the 70s when we as a nation were discussing women in the military:

"Let's say we have a war with Russia and the women fight. If we win, that's OK. And if we lose, we can say to the Russians: "Wow, you beat a bunch of girls. You must be really proud of yourselves. You Russians are real tough guys, yeah." Can you imagine how embarrassed the Russians would be?"

My dad was an all state high school football halfback in Rock Island IL back in the early 1940s. He earned a football scholarship to the U of Illinois as the first in his family to go to college. Unfortunately for my dad his senior high school undefeated season ended a month before Pearl Harbor.

He didn't want to sign up, there were a hell of lot of young men like him despite all the stories you've heard about guys rushing down to the recruitment office that Monday morning. But the writing was on the wall, a reserve recruiter came to the school and promised all the jocks who'd won scholarships that if they signed with him they'd get to go to college before serving. They jumped at the chance and in keeping with military tradition of saying anything within a month they were served with induction papers. So faced with being cannon fodder he applied for the Army Air Corp. He spent 3 years flying around the Pacific in a B-24 hunting for Japanese submarines.

After the war he finally went to Illinois where instead of 45 scholarship players there was now a backlog of about 150. There was a little black scatback who was all of 5'4" out of Phillips high school in Chicago by the name of Buddy Young on the team. Buddy Young was the Barry Sanders of his time. Hell this guy was better than Sanders, he held world records in track in college besides being able to make guys miss. Nobody was gonna beat him out. Nobody could catch him. Young went on to star in the AAFL (a competitor to the NFL) and then the NFL itself. Dad tried to transfer to Northwestern but the coach begged off on hearing he was on scholarship at Illinois citing the Big 10 agreement not to raid each other's rosters.

It all worked out. My dad got his degree, met my mom and got married. Then taught high school and coached while he got his masters. Young went on to a 10 year pro career and then became the first African-American executive hired by the NFL. At his death in 1983 in a car crash, he was Director of Player Relations for the NFL.

My dad might have played pro ball but he was never gonna be Buddy Young. Back then the money wasn't that good, most players worked the off season in regular jobs to make ends meet. My dad did much better financially than he would have playing ball building a career selling trucks and still had the knees to be an athlete his whole life. On his 70th birthday he got back on defense the length of the court to take a charge from a 23 year old kid who had starred on the third ranked high school basketball team in the state a few years before. Got slammed into the mats on the wall, picked himself up, brushed himself off and said we're going the other way. He played tennis twice a week til a couple of summers ago and was still beating me and my brother at golf.

That's the way it should work. That's the way it always should have worked. Babe Ruth was a great player. But we'll never know how great the Babe really was (or wasn't) because Ruth didn't play against all the greatest players. Well my dad played with one of the greatest and he was better for off for it.

Thanks for the story; it was great! Do you play football too? My son played in high school but he will go to college this fall and doesn't want to play. He was captain of the team, but not really big enough to make it in the college scene. He'll be a great fan, though.

I agree with HusseinTenaX again, Kathleen Parker should get a DNA test for racial blood lines and then come back and tell us what "full-bloodedness" really means. She may be as flummoxed as my father was when his twin sister had it done for herself.

Both sides of my family have been traced back to pre-revolutionary days in America - I would challenge Ms. Parker on those grounds to prove anyone has more blood equity invested in this country than my ancestors, but we are by no means unique. She is probably dim enough to be surprised by the fact that the oldest bloodlines in this country also have the most likelihood of native american ancestry.

If Ms. Parker herself is truly of pioneer heritage she should go ahead and get the DNA study done, and sit down and have a good hard look at the results, and see who really built this country. It is in the blood.

If she is like my own family, our traditions were white as could be, though we did admit to "indian" ancestors in the deep past - someone with the middle name "swift deer" between the christian name and the surname in the old records, for instance. But all the old names on all the old grave stones gave testament to mainstream white "full-blooded" american ancestry, back to the beginning of settlement when the old churches were built.

So imagine the surprise of the DNA evidence, the genetic markers that do not forget where they came from. And our old, solid, salt of the earth "good people" in every accepted sense were less than 50% north european in origin, when that was the only origin we actually claimed.

Percentages not exact of course, but approx. 48% north european, 24% south european, 12% middle eastern, 8% native american and 8%....sub-saharan african.

Yes, I would ask Ms. Parker to be fearless and do a little checking on her own, and if she has questions, do some research on the Melungeon heritage in this country. And please remember, the older the roots, the MORE likely this mixture of races is. I would venture to say a recent immigrant from Ireland is much likelier to be a "full-blooded" white person than the deep-rooted Americans she is speaking of.

jarotra - I was mainly talking to Professordarkheart up thread, but your point is excellent -

I'd challenge all of these white supremacists and smugly superior people to get their DNA analyzed.

You have no idea where your family came from really or who made you what you are. I didn't until I got it done and found out that I'm not a white Protestant Ruling Class Christian I always was told I was.

No - I'm 1/8 African and the rest is eastern European Jew.

So anyone who is laboring under the mistaken idea that they have some kind of pure blood is most likely as crazy as a shit house rat.

We are all the same goddamn thing - every one of us.

DNA is just a distraction, Betty. It's not about DNA, it's about culture.

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"Full Blooded" is just a very repulsive shorthand for cultural indoctrination - hence the discussion of "core values" and "roots".

The reason that new immigrants are threatening is because their "core values" potentially undermine that "once upon a time America" of Leave it to Beaver & co. I live in Switzerland, which gives me the inside look on the cultural DNA of Beaver, Disney, and politicians who believe in Snow White. It's pretty funny.

The same cultural values that create a park-like, hyper-planned idyll also creates monsters like Josef Fritzl, the cellar dad, and one of the top suicide rates in the world. Leave out the fact that Parker has ignored the immigrant status of every American since 1492, omitted the sacrifices of slaves in the war for independence not to mention that of millions of others. What I take issue with is her cultural parochialism.

Didn't the fellas at the Boston Tea Party dress up as Indians? The differentiation between what was an American vs. an Englishman starts there. Indians and their culture changed the way Europeans thought. We now consider it *better*. Every time Europeans learned from a new culture we've become more American. If you don't like it, get thee back to Europe!

Good values and community don't begin and end with beer and bowling. It's time that small town America figured that out. European-descended culture might be familiar and reassuring, but it still has its horrible disadvantages. Consider the fact that the word for "rape" in one Native American tribe was "a man looked at me in a way I didn't like"; vs. now at least 1 in 4 females is sexually assaulted at some time in her life, 1 in 5 males, and a child goes missing every 40 seconds? We can only place our hope in cross-cultural learning, because problems like these aren't being solved by "full-bloodedness" or any other kind of hokey euphemism for racism.

Well don't look now but one of the single most important influences on our constitution was the agreement between the Five Civilized Tribes.

Our entire government structure owes a great deal to Native Americans.


We are all out of Africa. Hundreds of mitochondrial DNA expansion studies have proven that (don't tell Huckabee, who thinks we sprang forth from the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago). Any two people will not vary from each other genetically by more than .1%. So blood is not a useful metaphor for differentness, race, or ethnicity, not to mention the other sociocultural nonsense Parker spews as if it has some legitimate bases.

I know that.

My African origins are not deep ancestry, but what they call "recent ancestry" - ancestry in historical time.

I don't care enough to have it analyzed further, but I could. They can run it through data bases that get more specific for your family's point of origin. But we all originated in the same damn place: the Mitochondrial Eve in Africa.

We are all African, but some of us stuck around longer.

Well put.

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As a very young country, it's extraordinarily challenging to define what is true American culture anyhow. If we attempt to tease out that which is of European influence and label it as American culture, we'd have no cultural achievements at all to celebrate. Music, food, language, dancing (while crossing one's feet), healing traditions, etc....everything that is American was born from the infusion and mixture of various cultures. Even if we look at certain American Christian religious traditions we can find African influences.

My dear, the entire culture of the south is essentially African American culture.

We would not have a peculiarly American music if not for African Americans. We would not have a particular cuisine if not for African Americans.

But it's not just African Americans who get left out of the equation whenevereast coast pundits open their mouths or pick up their pens. They are east-coast centric to the max.

We wouldn't be America but for the insanely overlooked Spanish and Native American influences, which are huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!

Jesus easterners make me tired. The Spanish showed up in Taos in 1498, for Christ's sake. The Governor's Palace in Santa Fe is the oldest public building in this country - built in 1610.


"The entire culture of the South is essentially African-American culture". What nonsense.

And your Pueblo revolt of 1680 kept the Spanish out for 12 years. I never understand why people don't Google this stuff before claiming something easily disproved.

Well your first comment is just a statement of opinion.

And the first Spanish crown land grant was about 100 years after the revolt.

You can't always depend on Wikipedia. I live in Taos part time.


No, it's not just opinion. There's much more to southern culture than the blues and turnip greens. But seems like the year to dismiss white culture in whatever form. Somehow this doesn't seem like reaching across the divide.

Regarding Pueblo, you said they threw the Spanish out for 100 years. I just pointed out that this wasn't quite true. And oddly enough, in the 12 years the Spanish were gone, the Pueblos suffered a lot of attacks from Navajos and Apaches. Not quite as simple at first glance.

Dude, I daresay I know as much if not more than you do about the Navajos and the pueblo Indians.

And you left out the Utes.

In fact, Taos Pueblo started the revolt - for one thing, Taos Pueblo had strong ties to the Comanches and other warrior tribes. Location had something to do with that.

Do you know what the oldest pass across the Rocky Mountains is and how it was found? Do you know where the site of the first Mountain Ute Indian Agency was?

Do you know who the 2008 Tribal Governor of Taos Pueblo is?

Dude, you are just pain in the ass for no reason at all.

Betty, the issue is assimilation. Steep price to pay in America for failure to assimilate.

You're just bitter because I caught you on the 12-year part.

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My dear, the entire culture of the south is essentially African American culture.

Where would the South be without the banjo and the peanut? ... And guess where they came from?!?

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Obama/Olbermann '08!

Careful, the 3000 uses for the peanut is one of the great PC myths of all time. Well worth reading about though if you're interested in deconstructing popular fantasies.

And I own a banjo - I won't be dissing it.

Tena, sorry to come into the conversation so late, but I really wanted to expand upon your cultural argument. SO GLAD you brought it up. When we start talking about our uniquely American music we are getting into my area of expertise.

What we currently call Jazz is more appropriately known in musicology as African-American Classical Music. The reason it is labeled thus is that it shares the broader aspects of what people recognize as Classical, or Legitimate Music (don't ask me how offended I am by that terminology). The broader aspects are a complex harmonic structure that arranges multiple instruments in a variety of roles that constitute a "whole" with room for the improvisation of the soloist. Most people do not realize that Bach was one of the most talented improvisors of his day. Almost all major European compositions have a soloist involved in them, and what people recognize as a Cadenza was originally an impromtu personal variation from the soloist to indicate originality (improvisation).

The fact that Jazz is a more theoretically complex variation of the blues is no mistake. The blues, coming right out of slavery, was a way of expressing one's humanity and humor in inhumane circumstances. When adding the environmental influences, and left to good old American ingenuity, Jazz was born.

The whole concept of swing was based on the application of African rhythms underscoring the music. The combination of "3" versus "4" is called Hemeola. European music is based on using Successive Hemeola. Within a given composition there are movements that are in "3" and there are movements that are in "4", but they do not occur at the same time. The concept of rhythm is compartmentalized. Jazz is based on what is called Simulataneous Hemeola. The rhythms of "3" and "4" are happening concurrently. There is no compartmentalization, only an inclusiveness of the rhythms within life. This was based on the African drums actually being a conversation, with multiple rhythms indicating different messages.

What do I mean by environmental influences? Because of slavery, the only form of folkloric music (PC musical term for authentically native) open to Africans brought to America was their ability to beat on things. They couldn't bring instruments with them, but they could make a drum out of a tree just as easily here as they did there. With one exception, being the banjo which is a variation of an African instrument - not quite sure how that one got through. The musical instruments that were "environmentally" available were the piano-forte's and guitars that were owned by the masters. Since house slaves had access to these instruments, and were quite often responsible for entertainment, the harmonic structures of these instruments became the pallette from which slaves could invent their own music. Ironically, they found a way to emulate much of their original harmonic variations by playing pentatonic scales (you hear that on the black keys). Pentatonic scales are the basis of blues.

So, this music developed in America, because the slavery based South was the only melting pot on the planet with these particular limitations, and yet the most expansive movement in modern music was born. The genius of it all is staggering.

It is VASTLY important on two fronts. It is diminished on one. The music may be the best argument of Art reflecting life.

Important front #1:
This music is all-inclusive and about humanity. There is no resentment in even the most difficult story lines, and the structure includes all influences.

Important front #2:
The fact that this music is recognized world-wide as the most important development in music in the modern world, and is our most popular ambassador is an even bigger point. Throughout the world, American Jazz musicians are recognized as hero's of ingenuity and inclusion. They draw enormous crowds. They represent us well.

Diminishment:
Due to the fact that this music is not marketed in this country, as a people, we have no relationship to the most beautiful stew in the whole pot. There are many theories as to why this is true, mostly having to do with not wanting to recognize the actual genius in the African-American contribution to American culture.

Is it any wonder that people have trouble getting past their differences when they don't even know their own cultural history? The dichotomy of this art form's lack of support, compared to its brilliance, is completely representative of the generic way in which some people ignore the major benefits of a cohesively inclusive society.

It also explains why the reest of the world has no problem being crazy for Obama. They have recognized the brilliant aspects of African-American proponents of ingenuity for YEARS. They pay a lot of money to see them. We are the ones who ignore these facts.

Caringthinkingperson -- thoroughly enjoyed your fascinating and informative musical notes!

and I agree that Obama will truly help to lift this country back up to a certain world legitimacy again!

What instrument that they had in Africa couldn't easily be recreated in the South?

9/10th of American slavery took place in the Caribbean and South America (primarily Brazil). How come these areas are relatively poorer in musical creativity?

What is the impact of Scottish and Irish impact and their folk music on the equations? How about the French Acadians boxed up and shipped to New Orleans? Where is the mention of European folk music, the primary music that made it to America? Where is the mention of Spanish music - being the original owners of New Orleans and inspiring mariachi music and other forms in the New World. The fiddle and accordion are important European instruments, but despite their presence in New Orleans and Zydeco music, don't figure so much in black music. Why more the adoption of horn music?

Why the emphasis on jazz over blues/rock-and-roll? It's fairly obvious by now that our modern music development favors simplicity over complexity (unless you're a Rick Wakeman or Yngwie Maumstein fan), and that we favor vocal music over instrumental, even for dance. Jazz is simply too complicated for a mass media age, just as classical is. That's not racism - blues is just as black as jazz is, and it's the core of modern popular music.

What is the impact of Scottish and Irish impact and their folk music on the equations?

For those interested in that topic--

Someone has summarized the groundbreaking recent research on this by Yale professor Willie Ruff on Wikipedia:

....It has been long thought by the wider African American community that American Gospel music originated in Africa and was brought to the Americas by slaves. However recent studies by Professor Willie Ruff, himself, a Black American ethno-musicologist at Yale University concludes that African American Gospel singing was in fact was introduced and encouraged by Scottish Gaelic speaking settlers from North Uist.[1] His study also and concludes that the first foreign tongue spoken by slaves in America was not English but Scottish Gaelic taught to them by Gaelic speakers who left the Western Isles because of religious persecution.[1] Traditional Scottish Gaelic psalm singing, or "precenting the line" as it is correctly known, in which the psalms are called out and the congregation sings a response, was the earliest form of congregational singing adopted by Africans in America. Professor Ruff focuses on Scottish settler influences that pre-dates all other congregational singing by African Americans