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Obama's VP: Out of Sight, Out of Mind and Outrageously Obvious
OBAMA’s VP: OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND AND OUTRAGEOUSLY OBVIOUS
I contend Barack Obama knew his Vice President the moment he announced his candidacy for Presidency.
Unlike recent nominees, Obama has no need for gambits and is not concerned about being overshadowed.
In 2000, the Democratic convention was on August 14-17. Gore named Lieberman on August 8th. 6 days before the convention. (This showed tremendous indecision on Gore's part. The choice itself reflected Gore’s narrow thinking.) In 2004, the convention was on July 26-29. Kerry named Edwards on July 6th. 20 days before the convention.
The 2008 convention is on August 25-28. Barack Obama is already campaigning hard against McCain. He will need to share the burden soon. The Hillary experience cannot linger. Folks will need to forget Clinton, and focus instead on the race against McCain.
THE SPECULATION
There has been much speculation. Bloggers, broadcasters and bookmakers have been rounding up the usual suspects.
I could inflict pages upon pages debunking those most often mentioned. Instead, I will summarize the speculation briefly below.
It will not be Clinton. There are thousands of reasons why not, most of which have been well argued here already. What of Clinton’s surrogates? Ted Strickland looks like some character from the Love Boat. Wesley Clark looks like one of the others in Lost. Evan Bayh is John Edwards Lite. Bill Nelson could help with Florida. Ed Rendell could help with Pennsylvania. Mike Easley could help with North Carolina. But none of those characters have simpatico with Obama. Of those not aligned with Hillary. Jim Webb would come across as a Sexist Pig when pitted against John McCain’s running mate. Kathleen Sebelius can’t guarantee Kansas. Joe Biden is a blert. Sam Nunn is no Ray Clark, though his endorsement will impress enough folk down in Georgia. Chuck Hagel will be better employed repairing the Defense Department and disassembling the meat grinder in Iraq. John Edwards has been told the job will not be offered to him, which is why he said he doesn’t want the job. Claire McCaskill and Chris Dodd (my two preferred Obama surrogates) would both have Obama’s back. Missouri and Connecticut were Obama’s two most important victories. But Missouri’s Senate seat cannot be risked and Connecticut doesn’t add up. (NB. Obama owes Ned Lamont, so expect Dodd to be offered a central cabinet position.) If Bill Richardson, another blert, delivers New Mexico, and helps in Colorado and Nevada, his reward must be a cabinet position. Richardson’s selection may also needlessly irritate some Hillary deadenders. Tim Kaine’s views on abortion would keep some key Democratic voters away from the polls. Brain Schweitzer could put Montana in play, but with only three Electoral College votes, the reward would not be worth the risk.
SO IF NOT ANY OF THE ABOVE, WHO WILL IT BE?
You can be sure Axelrod, Obama and Plouffe had this figured out a long, long time ago. McCain's choice may give them pause, but then again, Obama may announce his choice before McCain. I expect he will and leave McCain for dust. Obama is not going to let something this important be decided in the Dog Days of Summer. When the announcement comes, and it will be very soon, it will be a “surprise” and "unexpected". The choice will be super appropriate and logical, even though "no one" or "nobody", as the media like to say, was expecting it. So who will it be?
Former Governor Mark Warner of Virginia: Out of Sight, Out of Mind and the Outrageously Obvious Choice.
Mark Warner can help Barack Obama win. But more importantly, Mark Warner has the executive experience that will help Barack Obama manage the country effectively, and win again in 2012. The 2012 election could be a much tougher proposition for Obama.
Warner and Obama have proven technique in winning campaigns. Warner’s win in Virginia in 2001 was remarkable. It is also noteworthy that Warner cut his political teeth as Campaign Manager in 1989 for Virginia's first African American governor, L. Douglas Wilder.
Warner was a very successful businessman and a highly successful governor in Virginia, curtailed by term limits. He got things done in the rural “red” counties of Southern Virginia. Obama often talks of wanting to take broadband to rural America. This is straight out of the Mark Warner playbook. And for what it’s worth, Mark Warner became known as the “NASCAR Governor”.
Both Warner and Obama are Harvard Law graduates. You can sure this has already enabled their convergence. Warner has business experience also. Nextel trumps Staples. Obama is the word guy. Warner will be the numbers guy.
Warner has the classic “first to graduate college story” to tell the American people. His wife, Lisa Collis, was the first Virginia first lady to keep her maiden name. Lisa Collis started the Virginia Women for Obama. The Warner family will be on board with the campaign. Michelle and Lisa, and their children Madison, Gillian, Eliza, Malia and Sasha will exude togetherness when they take to the stage in Denver. It promises to be one of the most special of most special moments in American political history. For real!
SO HOW DID MARK WARNER BECOME BARACK OBAMA’S RUNNING MATE?
Mark Warner was smart enough to sense Obama’s irresistibility and inevitability in 2006. This was two years before Edwards could see it. Mark Warner was also smart enough to begin a campaign for Senate as a Plan B.
To recap, here are some of the major articles on or interviews with Warner when he was running for President in 2006. Warner was then considered to be the only serious candidate to challenge Clinton. The lengthy Matt Bai piece in the New York Times below best highlights Warner’s political and personal compatibility with Obama.
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/magazine/312bwarner.html">New York Times</a>
<a href="http://dir.salon.com/story/news/lotp/2005/06/13/virginia_governor/">Salon</a>
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5354610">NPR</a>
<a href="http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2005/11/28/2/a-conversation-with-governor-of-virginia-mark-warner">Charlie Rose</a>
But then on Oct 10th, 2006, Mark Warner inexplicitly dropped out.
The announcement didn't add up. I had just listened to two interviews Warner had conducted in late September on WNYC radio in New York. Warner was running hard.
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/12/AR2006101200510_pf.html">Washington Post</a>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/us/politics/13warner.html">New York Times</a>
But Warmer left a hint.
He said when he asked about his future,
"When and where, I don't know right now. But I guarantee you'll see me. I'm not going away from being involved in how we get our government fixed."
13 days after Warner dropped out, Obama dropped in.
No one in the media made the connection at the time. I did, and have been pondering it ever since. I believe something must have gone down, some arrangement made between Obama and Warner. Warner cited the easy and obvious reason behind his decision. He got out of the race for "family" reasons.
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/22/AR2006102200220.html">Washington Post</a>
And why did Warner drop out? <a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1545871,00.html">Time</a>
speculates, but fails to make the connection.
WHAT DOES WARNER STAND FOR? DOES WARNER COMPLEMENT OBAMA?
Can Mark Warner reach constituencies other Democrats cannot? And does his manifesto fit with Barack’s Obama message of renewal and change? Yes, he can. And yes, it does. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/opinion/25mon1.html">Look to Virginia, Not to China</a><a href="http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/printStoryId.aspx?StoryId=5218">Yet, Warner is a Globalist</a>
Both Obama and Warner irritate some progressives. This is a strong sign they can win over the centrists and conservatives they need to win over in order to win the General Election. Here's some progressives getting agitated about Mark Warner in the Prospect.<a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2006&base_name=mark_warners_antipopulism">Warner’s Anti Populism</a>
And let's not forget the Jewish vote, Warner's already <a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2006/05/mark_warner_heads_to_israel.html">Introduced himself to the Hebs</a>
In this Primary election cycle, only a couple of commentators have given Warner any serious consideration. The New York Observer piece is particularly incisive and outlines the mechanics of how Warner exits the Virginia Senate race.
<a href="http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-warner-scenario">New York Observer </a>
Meanwhile much of what Warner has been saying in the last year as he runs for Senate in Virginia has a national and international slant, whether it is about global business trade or energy solutions.
Here's Warner quoted on how best to deal with <a href=http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_031308_warner_in_Norfolk.e4ca664.html">Iran</a>
Here's Warner <a href="http://www.flathatnews.com/news/2043/warner-addresses-business-ethics">speaking on Business Ethics</a>
And yes Warner was against <a href="http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/05/m_warner_agains.html">the Gas Tax Holiday </a>
Warner is practical and principled. He is comfortable talking new clean coal solutions with miners in Virginia, while he and wife, Lisa Collis, make significant contributions to the Nature Conservancy. They donated <a href="http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/virginia/press/press3413.html">$1.5 Million to the Nature Conservancy in February 2008</a>
Mark Warner has kept <a href="http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/opinion/jay_warren_blog/article/do_we_have_a_sign_of_which_way_warner_is_leaning_in_the_democratic_primary/8515/">Mum</a> throughout this process. This is important. Warner hasn’t endorsed Obama, largely because he didn’t need to attract attention. When Obama makes the announcement, Warner will be neutral and better positioned to assuage Clinton supporters.
When the announcement comes, it will be classic Obama. Consider every major Obama announcement or endorsement. There will be scant warning and many of the pundits will be caught off guard, unprepared and unable to frame the news in their neat conventional wisdom pigeonholes.
To those who question whether Mark Warner wants the position. Remember, Warner had the ambition. He would not have tried for the Presidency in 2005-6, otherwise.
Consider below the ambition of Obama's 97 Senate colleagues. Note what the bookies favourite Jim Webb says here. <a href="http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/senators-say-whether-theyd-agree-to-be-vice-president-2008-05-12.html">Webb Not Interested</a>
Warner already has the name recognition and gravitas that could practically guarantee Virginia. Virginia has not gone Democratic in a Presidential election since LBJ won in 1964. Virginia has 13 Electoral College votes.
Warner is exactly the type of Vice President Obama said he wanted when he also spoke of bitterness in San Francisco some months ago. See <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-says-no-to-foreign_b_95357.html">Huffington Post</a>
Here's are the two pertinent quotes from the link above.
Last night Senator Obama had a few more words on the subject of choosing a vice president.
"I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I'm not as expert on," he said, and then he was off and running. "I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area--foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."
"That last thing I'd say about a vice president is--obviously, you want someone who can be president and who shares a broad vision of where I want to take the country; don't have to agree with me on every particular, but shares with me a bias for opening up government, adding a rational discourse about how we're gonna solve problems, a bias towards empowering individual citizens."
Opening up government is exactly what Warner did in rural Virginia. Exactly.
Mark Warner will be perfectly placed to replace Barack Obama in 8 years time, and in a much better position than if he were a Senator from Virginia with one term under his belt. Warner would have the advantage of incumbency and the bounce from being a part of the successful team that changed America and realigned it with a changing world.
I can HOPE that this will be the beginning of a beautiful 16-year friendship between Obama and Warner and the people of America and the rest of the World.
P.S.
And according to Robert D. Novak, Warner’s associates said Obama is considering Warner…and if Novak said so, well, it must be true. ;-) Read all about in the <a href="http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=4c42be55-720d-4934-bd21-5f31b3d7b254&headline=Robert+D.+Novak%3a+Mark+Warner+for+Obama%27s+VP%3f">Manchester Union Leader</a>









Comments (90)
Governor Brad Henry (D-OK) - you heard it here first.
And, as his state initials indicate, he's OK.
May 30, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
If we're looking for OK, then Kucinich is the obvious choice.
O(bama)/K(ucinich) '08! They're OK! ;)
May 30, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
there will be no Obama Vice President.
I don't know what planet you guys are living on.
May 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah! I see who its going to be!
Van Buren!
(Kudos to those who know what I'm referring to...)
May 30, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Henry's the one
May 30, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello constan...I assume you are a fellow Okie because I doubt anyone else would think of Henry. Do you have a specific reason for your thoughts other than Henry endorsed Obama early on?
Frankly, I agree with David. From what I have read elsewhere and in this excellent post, I believe it might be Warner.
May 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad to say I'm not from Oklahoma, nor even visited (though I usually root for OU when it plays Nebraska or Texas in football)
I was just looking for a Democratic Governor who'd been re-elected to office. Henry fits the bill, his position on most issues seems to fit well with Obama and /sarcasm he's not one of those fancy pants Eastern Establishment Harvard Law types (Warner, Harvard Law '80) /sarcasm
May 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Warner certainly would have won a 2nd term here in Virginia but we limit our Govs to a single term here. I know it's stupid but it's the way they do things here.
May 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
your bracketing of "/sarcasm" is both agile and effective -- thanks for the example
May 31, 2008 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I agree that Warner is the obvious choice. The only problem is that we'll probably lose the Senate seat that he's almost guaranteed to win to a Republican. With Obama in the White House, however, I don't think we need a 2/3 majority in the Senate, or even a filibuster proof 60 Senators.
Just because I trust the Republicans less, it doesn't mean I trust the Democrats with too much power, either. ;)
May 30, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Warner being on the ballot would help the Democrat who runs for the Senate in his place. And there are several good options as noted in the links above (although the links are broken).
May 30, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had completely forgotten about Don Beyer. I thought he had gone to that Great Caucus in the Sky.
He should be able to beat Gilmore this time.
May 30, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ben, That would be the only thing that would concern me for Warner is that we would loose him as a wonderful chance to have both Senate seats in the Dem column here in Virginia which is just unheard of!
May 30, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
David, I appreciate the intense consideration of Mark Warner and think he'd be the perfect VP candidate for all the reasons stated, but BenHocking's 'what about Virginia' senate seat might be too much, and I think Mark Warner supporting a new candidate this late in the game and Mark Warner himself running are much different scenarios. If Missouri is too important a seat to give up, isn't the virtual guarantee of a new one in purple Virginia equally vital?
...and Constintanople needs to stop it with the Brad Henry stuff.
May 30, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I don't think this is as big of a deal that it's being made out to be. The democrats need a 60 seat majority. It really makes no difference if it's 52, 55 or 59. If the Dems get to 59 without warner it's more likely they'll have a blow out of over 60 anyway.
The other reason I tend to side with the poster on Warner is that he is what Obama has been hinting at. Obama has good judgment. It's been so long since we've seen this skill utilized we forget that our leaders can actually lead based on good judgment.
May 31, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty impressive brief for Warner. I think he's the best of the Virginia Triumvirate (Webb, Kaine, Warner). I also agree that intellectually and emotionally he's a great fit with Obama. Ben Hocking has a good point though. Does Warner want the job? I mean, really?
May 30, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
While speaking of the VT, I'll point out that we have the same problems with both Webb and Kaine. Remove Webb, and there's a decent chance he will be replaced with a Republican, and Kaine's Lt. Governor is a Republican. (Lt. Governors are elected in VA independently of Governors. We elected a Democratic Governor and a Republican Lt. Governor last time around.)
May 30, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ben
Yes. And this is why Webb won't be removed -- a bird in the hand is worth than two in the bush.
I agree about the said risks of power. I will happy having one out of two Senators in Virginia, the Governor, and Virginia going Democratic in the General Election for the first time since 1964.
Plus, the chances of Don Beyer or some other Democratic candidate pulling out a victory in the Senate Race in November must be about 50-50. I'll take those odds, especially if it means Warner helping Obama get into the White House.
Kaine can wait his chance and shadow Webb.
May 30, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you! I'd love to have Warner & Webb as my Senators, but of course I much rather have Obama and Warner in the White House!
May 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, bbaptise.
Of course, Warner wants the job. Why else did he run for it in 2005-6, raising millions in the process. Being Obama's VP is Warner's best avenue to the job.
It would also help explain the desperation from Clinton. She knows full well Warner is being lined up. And this ends her chance to ever get the job.
May 30, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
From what I have read, Warner wants stability for his young family. He's pretty much a lock to win the Senate seat and could keep that as long as he would want it. On the other hand if he ran with Obama and they lost, he would have to go work in the private sector in Virginia, because unless Webb decided not to run for re-election in four years or he wanted to replace Kaine as Gov in two years time.
May 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not two years, only one year. Gubernatorial elections in Virginia are the year after presidential elections.
May 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good choice!
May 30, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's a blert?
May 30, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Growing up this was a term used in my 'hood to describe someone who speaks out of turn or speaks without thinking.
The slang dictionary has this richer explanation...
http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=4&t=1498
Foolish person. Someone of limited intelligence Still used in suburbs of Liverpool as a derogatory term, i.e. "Eh mate...you f**in' blert?" Mainly used by old age pensioners in Liverpool lining up for their Giros at the Post Office.
May 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Women are the base of the Democratic Party. The best bet to peel off undecided voters this fall will be to appeal to undecided women. Several men may be able to do that, but none as well as a woman. I'm for Sebelius (nee Gilligan). She may not be able to swing Kansas, but she will definitely have some juice in Ohio where her father was governor.
May 30, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay,
I went back and looked at the last link, the Bob Novak column in the Manchester Union-Leader. You might have something here..
May 30, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agree, recommend. Furthermore, Warner can remain on the ballot for VA Senate race and Kaine can appoint a replacement once Obama wins the general.
May 30, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really. Is that right?
But that risks Warner wanting to have his cake to eat it too.
I think Lieberman did this didn't he?
I think this would smack of duplicity and send all the wrong signals.
May 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is what Lieberman did, yeah. But I don't know if it's been done by a non-incumbent before (if that makes a difference to anyone).
May 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
No this isn't what Lieberman did in 06. Lieberman ran for the same office under a different party in the General election because CT is one of the few states that don't have a "sore loser" law.
May 30, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's what Lieberman did in 2000 -- ran for Senate simultaneously with running for Vice-President.
May 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doh, my bad. I somehow brain farted that he wasn't giving up his seat (like Dole did in 96) when he actually ran for both offices in 2000.
It's Friday and almost happy hour on the left coast... cut me some slack!
;-)
May 30, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or rather I should say, I was assuming you were talking about what he pulled in '06 running against Lamont as a third party candidate after losing the primary, and not thinking back to what you rightly point out he did in 2000.
May 30, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you sure about that?
Most states have laws that state you can't run for more than one office on a ballot.
May 30, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would love this choice! And it's the only one so far that I've really felt good about.
May 30, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good post.
May 30, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Big thumbs up to this post. One more reason to choose Warner: he's got those awesome Kennedy teeth.
Seriously, those are some seriously RFK-esque chompers.
May 30, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Big thumbs up to this post. One more reason to choose Warner: he's got those awesome Kennedy teeth.
Seriously, those are some seriously RFK-esque chompers.
May 30, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blurgh! I hate $%#@ing Movable Type.
May 30, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, the most obvious choice, and one barely talked about, is Al Gore, the man who would have won the nomination and election easily if he had run.
Don't expect to see Warner on the ticket--regardless of what he has said, Obama will pick someone with federal national security/foreign policy credentials. Warner, for all his virtues, doesn't bring that to the ticket.
May 30, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has said that he wants a VP to shore up the areas he feels weak on and that foreign policy is not it.
May 30, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
He said it, but don't buy it. In the eyes of the electorate foreign policy and military issues are a relative weakness for Obama. He will pick someone who will offset this--Wes Clark, Joe Biden, Sam Nunn--it won't be someone who's experience is limited to being a governor.
May 30, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Sen Obama is likely to choose who he thinks will be the best VP not who he thinks the electorate will think is a good vp.
May 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Before anyone can be a VP they need to be a winning running mate. The electorate factors *heavily* into that
May 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trying to figure out who can help one get elected is a fools errand. You might as well call the psychic friends. Figuring out who you would like to work with not so much. Choosing some one to cover for your weaknesses seems like a looser to me.
May 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Al gore has no interest in being VP again, especially after winning the presidency and not getting the chance to serve.. If he didn't run for president again, he's not interested.
May 30, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
When did he tell you this exactly?
For all the talk about Gore not being interested in being VP again, no one can rule out the possibility until he is formally asked. If Obama and the party leadership submits to him that his presence on the ticket would ensure a democratic victory and save the nation and the world from another 4 years of republican presidential rule, who can say what Gore's response would be?
May 30, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, he may see the lay of the land as more compelling this year. I really believe that Gore is doing what he loves now as a Nobel Laureate, Oscar winner, and Global Ambassador on Climate Change.
May 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Possible, but probably a hard sell to Gore. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see it, and it would be an extremely powerful ticket - unbeatable - but I imagine there would be all kinds of strings attached and agreements (1 term only, Gore would be in in charge of all environmental policy and oversee all environmental related agencies, no B.S. visits to honor the birthdays of foreign dignitaries, etc.). I imagine a lot of Americans now regret not voting for Gore, and him being on the ticket would be their chance to redeem themselves.
May 30, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless a woman candidate came with Hillary's blessing (which it won't), appointing ANY woman other than Hillary would cause alienation with just those women you would be trying to influence - the die-hard Hillary supporters (the rest of us are already supporting Obama).
Joe Biden is a *heck* of a lot more than a "blert" and would be my first suggestion -- Obama has shown that he can 'run things' with his astonishing campaign, but foreign policy is going to be THE most important to get us out of this horrendous mess. So someone versed in that area *and* able to negotiate the sometimes odd pathways of Congress would be an invaluable assistance.
Other than Biden, Warner does seem a reasonable choice. But .... while he's well known in VA, he's not a household name in the rest of the country and he's never been in Congress. Since the hit at Obama is that he's too new, too unknown and too inexperienced in Federal government, Warner isn't going to balance that deficit in the eyes of some.
I HATE to make the comparison, but in fact it was very smart of GWB to choose Cheyney as his VP. Whenever they would point to Gore and talk about his vastly superior experience in US government, Bush could just point to Cheyney and say "but I'll have expert help" (Yeah, and he got rather TOO MUCH help, but that's another matter and not a problem with Obama.) ---- There's something very fundamental about "fear of the unknown", and for many people an Obama/Warner ticket would be asking them to accept two comparative unknowns. On the other hand, those who would be attracted to McCain because of his familiarity and experience and proven across-the-aisle record of achievement would see those same qualities, maybe even stronger, in Joe Biden. In general, people who like McCain also like Biden, for very similar reasons.
Those are what I see as the main concerns about Warner - lack of foreign policy and 'newness.' Otherwise you've convinced me he would be an excellent choice.
May 30, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that Warner has NO federal experience is a plus that fits with Obama's pledge to change how things are done in Washington. Don't think for a minute that he won't have old heads like Dodd, Biden and Richardson to school him in the 'as is'. However, he needs someone to help him think out of the box to get to the 'to be'. Cheyney's heavy-handedness is another reason why Obama needs someone with less Washington experience.
To the OP, thanks for the links. I'm going to read up on Governor Warner.
May 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I very much agree, Elizabeth2. Appointing ANY other Democratic woman may be problematic for the reasons you outlined.
There is a chance McCain may employ such a gambit, however. (I hate to call it a "gambit", but in that context, it would be.) How do you think that would play out with the said women?
I meant "blert" in the most light hearted way. I also respect Biden and appreciate his contribution. But there are too many examples of him shotting from the hip. Biden's Federal Iraq plan has much merit. (However, I think a sovereign Kurdistan in inevitable and I welcome it.)
Obama is comfortable dealing with foreign policy. He has said as much and he has clearly been in his element during the recent back and forth with McCain.
I would add that Warner generated a profile in many states when he was running for President, but I agree Obama will also need some serious economic heavy weights in the cabinet.
I think the success to Obama's General Election campaign will be in how he and Warner set the tone. Take your pick. McCain and the Iraq mess or Warner and the Virginia success. I think voters will very impressed with Warner's credentials once they are presented.
May 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is "inexplicably" not "inexplicitly" dropped out.
Other than that, I fully agree - both obvious and inevitable.
May 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoops. Thanks, louisev. That's I what I meant to type. I look forward to this becoming obvious to folk next Wednesday.
May 30, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Warner's a great choice, but he won't accept. McCaskill makes more sense than Sebelius. McCain has an unbeatable edge in Kansas and Missouri and Virginia are our best hopes for a flip.
May 30, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unbeatable Edge In Missouri?
What was the last poll there, a 3 point margin for McCain? And the way the state has been trending democratic since 04?
Missouri is slightly more likely to go for Obama than VA, and Kansas isn't out of reach either, last poll there showed McCain up by 10, a good lead but not insurmountable.
May 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think if you put a comma after Kansas, you'll see that redstateleroy is arguing that MO and VA are our best chances to flip, whereas KS is where the unbeatable edge is located.
May 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't count out Colorado. It is prime to flip too. And New Mexico.
May 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not even ruling out KS. I was just trying to help parse the sentence with the ands in it. :)
May 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for this. I hope you're right. I certainly agree that it's a winning combination. It's amazing to me how under-the-radar he is.
I'm not sure they've been planning this together, but it's an interesting hypothesis. It's all about creating a team. It will take a lot of work to turn the country around, and a president is really only as effective as the team he assembles.
I also did not know that Warner could run for the Senate seat simultaneously. If that's true, that would be very civilized. It is not at all duplicitous. Voters would be made quite aware of the nature of his dual candidacy, and would still have a real choice of direction.
May 30, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great piece. Great argument. If I were a better I'd bet you're right.
May 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Harvard Law ticket? I kind of doubt it.
May 30, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya, it would suck to have our country ruled by a couple IV leagers. We kneed some regular guys who went to community college and can bowl!
May 30, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really well thought out! While I had not thought a lot about Warner, your assessment of everyone else is SPOT ON! It does open up the playing field for some interesting choices. I think you have accurately portrayed why all of the usual players are not the right choice.
May 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great analysis. Very astute. You've convinced me.
May 30, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shame on you, Iz, for spoiling the ending!
May 30, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I agree with your choice on Warner. Warner or Kaine, I'm pretty certain it's one of the two. I think Kaine might be the safer choice as far as a vacancy is concerned. He was term limited to one term anyway. We need Warner's senate seat. But I agree that Kaine could put someone in there that could also win it.
I think it comes down to Kaine or Warner, and which ever choice is strategically better for the Obama campaign and as far as vacancies are concerned. Kaine's vacancy or Warner's vacancy? Which hurts the Democrats more? Who better aids Obama's platform?
You make a solid case for Warner.
May 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been my impression that Kaine rode into the Governorship on Warner's coattails. I've got nothing against the guy, but I think most of what people in VA like about him is that he continued Warner's policies.
Also, and not to beat a dead horse, but our Lt. Gov. is a Republican. Call me selfish, but I don't want us to have a Republican Governor.
May 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kaine is great, but he absolutely road in on Warner's coattails which says a lot about Warner. After two TERRIBLE Republican Govs in George Allen and Jim Gilmore that wrecked our states finances, Warner came in and made the tough calls and explained the hard choices to the people and left office incredibly popular.
He would be a great choice to go along with Obama!
May 30, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Post. More on Warner (and other potential VP options) here:
http://www.theleftanchor.com/vice_president_profile/index.html
May 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
no bitches. that's good :-)
May 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have long thought Warner would be the best choice, but his Senate bid is the real puzzler in the scenario. I think it would be the ideal choice frankly, and have long pushed it here and elsewhere in the tubes.
It pretty much locks VA in the blue column and that alone up-ends the electoral apple cart and screws McCain. That means he would have to win all of MI, PA, OH and FL to counter VA. Obama/Warner would expand the map in ways that would kill McCain's chances and bleed the GOP white in hemorrhaging resources playing defense and HAVING to go all in to try and run the table in order to have a prayer.
May 30, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. I'm not nearly as sanguine about anyone else winning that Senate seat (though I'd love to see Beyer get it.) It's certainly true, however, that the choices the Virginia GOP seems determined to nominate are pretty awful, but that's because no one stronger wants to run against Warner. If Warner were replaced, they might well strong-arm their nominee out to allow someone stronger to run.
However, I've always thought that Warner would make a great VP in the Al Gore "reinventing government" mold. The one thing you can say for Warner is that he really knows how to run a government.
And yes, he absolutely does want it. The family argument was sincere, but that was about spending a year and a half on the campaign trail. Spending three months on the campaign trail as VP would not be the same sort of problem.
May 30, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. I had ruled out Warner long ago, because he was a shoo-in for Senator or Governor after Kaine if he so chose, and those time-with-the-family comments. But now ...
He's a wealthy due to his independent success as a businessman, was Governing magazine's "Executive of the Year," adds state executive experience to the ticket, and while he's handsome he's not flashy, which is a great counter-point for Obamapalooza. Finally, he's so well-liked (beloved?) in VA, he could probably stay on as the Dem candidate for Senate, win ing both contests, and Gov. Kaine would be able to replace him for a full six-year term, not a partial term like Lott's replacement.
And this might be the clincher: If Obama wins, he's a two-termer. Hilary will be too old in 2016 but not Warner. Can we say "SIXTEEN YEARS!"
Checkmate.
May 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can he legally run for two different offices on the same ballot in VA?
Most states don't allow that.
May 30, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
David, can I pouch your article for my website and a email list I am a part of (with crediting and link backs here of course)...?
May 30, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Warner, but I'm not yet convinced we can win that seat without him. I'd hate to see us lose that seat just like we lost NC when Edwards ran (though he wasn't a sure thing to win)
May 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
We aren't "losing" a seat if Wrner goes VP, rather we may not be picking up a seat.
May 30, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Minor correction (which helps your thesis a tad): Obama first started publicly laying the groundwork for a POTUS bid on Meet the Press on October 22nd, 2006; 10 days after Warner announced he was dropping out of the race on October 12, 2006, not 13 days.
May 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm all for Richardson
May 30, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not.
Even though I raised over $200 buck for him early in the primaries last year. I dug deeper, and combined with his campaign chops (or rather serious lack of them) I ended my support and moved to Obama and never looked back.
May 30, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post. You made good on your promise to Richard Thompson (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/what-about-mark-warner-for-vp.php) to further popularize the obvious.
May 30, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Mark Warner would be a brilliant choice. He really knows his stuff on the direction technology is going. He would add enormously to the ability of the United States to be a leader in 21st century technologies such as solar energy. I have only seen his name mentioned in one other place. I hope you are right that we are going to get a wonderful surprise announcement about the guy!
Here is a link to a terrific YouTube video of Warner speaking at the annual Daily Kos conference. It starts with an introduction to Warner by Markos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4rJDXl-Ugs
May 30, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is actually my favorite YouTube of Warner. He really goes into the kinds of things we can do for the economy. It also shows him unscripted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxCJVKKuVNI
May 30, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Virginian, I'd be happy with Kaine, Warner, or Webb as VP. But, although I think Kaine has a fine mind and is doing a good job as governor, he does not have the charisma of Warner nor the no-nonsense persuasiveness of Webb. Putting aside the Senate seat question, the one reservation I have with regard to Warner as Obama's VP choice is their combined lack of military/foreign policy experience when we're in the middle of this fiasco of a war. It would be nice if Obama balanced his sound thinking with someone who has concrete experience in that area (e.g. Webb). That said, Warner is brilliant. When he was elected governor, he inherited a horrific economic mess created by the previous Republican administration and managed to turn Virginia around in his single term.
May 31, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great post - thanks for the links.
May 31, 2008 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a good thread!
But, as a son of Virginia, I must, as an amendment to the original article, point out that Wilder was not only the first African American governor of Virginia; he was the first elected in any state in the history of the Union.
It is a proud achievement of the Commonwealth that the capital of the Confederacy was also the seat of the first African American governor.
May 31, 2008 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
When I think of "Change you can believe in", it doesn't start with the DLC. Mark Warner certainly comes off as likeable, but he's a proud member of the DLC. Since 1992, Democrats have offered DLC tickets:
Clinton/Gore
Gore/Lieberman
Kerry/Edwards
And if Clinton would have won, you can almost bet she would have offered another DLC ticket with Evan Byah.
The DLC has done considerable damage to the Democratic brand, and all too often they mirror the GOP in approach and policy. It was the Blue Dogs and DLC members which enabled the passing of the Iraq invasion. They are the primary reason impeachment was off the table and why the Democratic congress was unable to bring the troops home despite their promise to do so.
If we want change in Washington, real change, selecting the status quo of a DLC member is not the answer. We've waited far too long and worked too hard to settle for scraps. Progressives and Liberals deserve a voice, and the country deserves better. Think big. Think change.
May 31, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very well written and documented.
May 31, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
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