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Obama resigns Trinity

CNN's reporting that Obama has resigned from Trinity Church (CNN got it from a blog).  If it's true, I'm not sure how I feel about it...sounds like he's putting power over principle.  Anyone else?






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Oh how I hope it's true!

Maybe I wasn't the only one emailing his campaign and Michelle Obama pleading with them to do it!

More likely, a lot of superdelegates told them they wouldn't continue to support him if he didn't.

(There's an article coming out in NYT tomorrow
(Adam Nagourney) giving the impression that remaining uncommitted superdelegates aren't quite as strong for Obama now as many had previously thought.

Power over principle? Maybe. I find it a little sad. But, that Church seems to be causing him an awful lot of grief. Probably best to cut the ties.

What's the principle? That you'll stay in a church that mocks the principles you stand for?

I believe that everyone gets to choose their spiritual and religious disciplines. However, as we all argue day after day after day, Obama isn't "everyone". He's a presidential candidate, a charismatic presidential candidate who makes his dignity a high priority. There are things you simply can't be associated with if you want to appeal to everyone under the Democratic Party's "Big Tent".

Just as Obama disassociates himself with his supporters in the blogosphere because we're a bunch of wild-eyed nuts who as often as not hate Hillary with such bug-eyed vigor that we'd shock anyone's conscience, he must disassociate himself from an institution that is apparently neither willing or able to moderate itself.

It is not "his" church, after all; he is a member, and the church has no obligation to defer to his needs. He's given the church every opportunity to show some moderation, just as he gave Wright every opportunity to at least leave him alone. And, if he's going to go after McCain on his wacko Christian Right supporters, he's got to make sure his house is clean.

Fair enough - I just feel like he's been saying from the beginning that these video clips are a caricature of what happens in that church and it functions as a bedrock of the community, does a lot of charitable works, etc. Quitting suggests, to me, that either he was wrong, or he's willing to put aside their "good works" when it doesn't suit him politically.

But that was gut reaction...I was interested to hear what others think, too.

Agreed, it's difficult when you've got some guy (even a white guy) going on about white privilege. It's exactly what Obama talked against in his speech on race. Victimization politics. Not all who are white are privileged, I'm sure that goes without saying. And, when white people get up and (sometimes literally) start preaching about how white people have it so good, most of the time, they either haven't thought it out enough, or are trying to take a 'safe' position by saying what they think people who aren't white want to hear.

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You're wrong. White-skin privilege gives all people with white-skin privileges that people of color don't have. White-skin privilege doesn't mean that all white people are financially well-off, or get to go to the best schools. It means all things being equal, white people enjoy benefits that people of color do not have.

For example, "As such, even the poorest fifth of white households are far better off than their counterparts of color, and even whites below the poverty line are more likely to own their own home than blacks with three times more income, thanks to assets passed down from previously-preferenced white parents."
http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/nooneinnocent.html

http://blindprivilege.com/white-trash-blues-class-privilege-v-white-privilege

A smart decision, politically. But one can only imagine the personal pain this decision will cause Michelle Obama and her mother. I am agnostic, but see the great benefit of unquestionable community enjoyed by my friends who church. A sad day, chez Obama. How much more must they give up and give over to convince the white vote that they are patriotic and/or not Muslim?

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If it's true, I do find it disappointing.

But, I don't know how things are done at TUCC. But where I'm from, you don't "resign" a church. You leave a church. Yes, it's a bit of a semantics game, but I if this were true, it would be breaking news and use correct verbiage.

I hope it's not true. America needs to understand that rejecting racism in American society is not the same as endorsing anti-white racism. Criticizing the govt isn't the same as being anti-America. (When did one's feelings about the country become a moral issue anyway?) I'm disappointed by what would be a concession to white supremacy - exemplified in this case by the fact that mainstream (white) American opinion is defining an issue mainstream America knows little about and seems to care even less.

Rev. Wright was right. And while he shouldn't engage in partisanship in any Church, Pfleger was right, too.

They're saying he sent a letter officially resigning, or leaving, the church. I guess the official-ness (is that a word?) makes it a resignation?

And I agree with you - thanks for being more eloquent than I ;)

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You're welcome.

Sadly, it's true.

true that you are more eloquent? :p

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Thanks for the smile. :D

No, sad that he's left TUCC.

LOL - I knew what you meant. And I agree.

I posted in another thread that I'd gotten the idea that many of the parishioners were tired of worshiping in a fish bowl and weren't exactly all that excited about having the Obamas continue to go to church there. Now that all of their guest pastors are scrutinized also, I can imagine these feelings were exacerbated and the parishioners may have been pressuring Barack and Obama to leave. It could be that Barack and Michelle felt it would be uncomfortable to continue to worship there.

I hadn't considered that - it's a high probability that it's true.

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I am torn.
The Obamas have a right to worship where they please as do the other parishioners of Trinity. But I think there is a responsibility of the parish to protect one of their own. To continue to push the envelope is one thing. They are entitled to worship in the manner they choose. But Trinity is no longer a local church, they were the church of a parishioner attempting to become the first African American President of the US. But when their actions begin to damage a parishioner, that parishioner has the right to and the responsibility to resign.

Actually, Roland Martin on CNN is reporting that the church received so many death threats that for the safety of the church and its parishioners Obama had to resign.

In that case, not insulting to his church. He gets cover from both directions then. Hmmmm...

The real questions is, why is this Hillary's fault?

Who said it was?

Your question is typically Byzantine.

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Speaking as an ordained Presbyterian minister, I'd guess, but do not decisively know, that the church that plays at politics ought to be left. Jesus said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars." For many of us, the point was that you shouldn't fuck with the fuckers. You shouldn't try to manipulate people to vote for one person or another. Rather, the idea is to lay out the spiritual principles, like the principle that justice is about enabling us to see the best in people, not the worst. Another idea is that love is above all. Empathy enables love. Mocking Hilary isn't a part of that. He should leave not to protect himself political but to abandon a bankrupt spirituality, one that mocks instead of empathizes. The pastor can call Hillary a liar without beating her to a pulp. He can try to understand an redeem her without being pious. He can empathize with her as a fellow traveler. Amen, brother and sister.

Fantastic answer. Thank you for the insight. That sentiment fits with the message Obama's been sending all along, too.

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I, too, agree with you insight.

From everything of being able to find out about the entire sermon, he was talking about white privilege and denial in general, using Clinton has an example. You get what I mean? It's not like the entire sermon was about the primaries. In fact, Sunday's sermon was part of UCC's (the denomination) call for a discussion on racial reconciliation.

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