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Obama Orders Faithful to “Be Nice to Clinton Supporters”
The front office has spoken:
<blockquote>At a fundraiser last night in Portland that raked in an estimated $350,000 to his campaign coffers, Barack Obama predicted a victory in Oregon, and said he believed the resulting delegate haul would “put us over the top.”
“We will be able to say we have won a majority,” he said. “But we have a lot of work to do ahead of us.”
For Dems to win in November, he said, it will require a unified Party, adding: “That means all of you have to be nice to Clinton supporters.”</blockquote>
...awww....ok.







Comments (67)
There's just one more guy I want to laugh out loud at and then I'm done Senator.
May 18, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I come back from the future to show you all a
preview of the general election for Obama's campaign. look who his VP is.
May 19, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not a bad ticket.
May 19, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is about 7 months late.
He kicked off his candidacy by hijacking all of the democratic blogs, and filling them up with Troll Spam, and hit pieces against Clinton.
His operatives purged out Clinton supporters.
Now, after putting up with this abuse, he thinks they're all going to come running back and vote for him.
Save your money, Barry. It will never happen.
May 19, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is my preferred ticket.
May 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
All right, B-rock. For you.
May 18, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
signed
May 18, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry Barack
I will continue to try to destroy the Clintons
Until she concedes
And I am certain that the DLC wing of the party has been purged from any meaningful positions.
That is what we expect from you
May 18, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have at it ankle biter. As if...
May 18, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I am certain that the DLC wing of the party has been purged from any meaningful positions.
Can't stop laughing. You packed a lot of stupidity into very few words. Let me see if I understand it tho. Barry should take his 50.05% MANDATE and get rid of the other 50% of the party? Is that it? I think he should make the DLC guys all into towelboys in his home sauna. Ya think?
God you guys are dumb. That can't be said enough.
May 18, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dont you know anything. The DLC is a small group of neo-liberal Iraq war supporting Clintonites that think they run the Democratic party. That is what everybody wants to get rid of.
Sorry if you are a member. Probably most Clinton supporters dont know that she is a leader of the DLC dream team. Worst Democrats that we have and we would be better if they all switched parties
May 18, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
First day on the job is always the toughest.
May 18, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
...the day the DLC represents 50% of our party is the day half of us are millionaires...
Just because they command the blind loyalty of so many uninformed wannabe millionaires doesn't mean they represent that 50%.
May 19, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
You vastly overstate your influence. All democrats will vote for the Nominee. Those few sourpuss Hillary supporters who demand that their asses-be-kissed-lest-they-vote-McCain-in-November are mostly middle-aged under-sexed soccer moms who probably voted for Bush in '04 anyway.
Screw 'em, and you too, while we're at it. Obama can play nice for the sake of realpolitik but as for me, I reserve the right to call it like I see it. Hillary's mature supporters will be on board in November. The rest of them are irrelevant and not worth the ass-kissing they demand.
A few sourpuss Hillaristas cannot stop the movement. Deal with it.
May 19, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
All agents: Code Red. Secret Agent Wminme has gone rogue. (S)he no longer answers to the Director and has embarked on a personal mission to take out Hillary Clinton and DLC subversives. The enemy has dispatched their top agent, known as Indiex, to silence her. We must neutralize and bring in Secret Agent Wminme before Indiex reaches him/her and before any more damage is done. Wminme is armed and psychologically unstable, so take all necessary precautions.
May 19, 2008 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
If that doesn't work, they'll be deploying a battalion of unity babies.
May 19, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice to see the Cult getting orders from its Leader. Jonestown much?
May 18, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
We love you, Louis. Would you like some Kool-aid?
May 18, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Luis needs the Owsley version, maybe it would clear up that fuzzy math...
May 19, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
shhhhhh....(what Louis doesn't know can't hurt him)
May 19, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I don't remember you posting something this hateful in the several reader posts that use Clinton talking points about "teh math".
May 18, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was hateful? I mean probably silly and probably sophmoric.....but hateful? If I hurt your feelings I will try to be better in the future.
May 18, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
But for sheer hateful there is always this.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/sexism-isnt-the-reason-hillary.php
May 18, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll go with silly and sophomoric and raise you one hackneyed
May 19, 2008 8:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Louis, it is hateful to imply the only reason anyone would support someone besides Hillary is because they are crazy cultists. And ironic that to think so requires falling victim to the same extreme cult of personality that you accuse others of.
Come on. Obama says to be nice. Hillary says everyone should support the nominee. In other words, there are greater enemies than each other. Lets cowboy up and get a Dem president and secure those majorities. For freedom! For America!
May 18, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama, i can't be obedient just yet b/c every time i try to read other sources to get a fair and balanced view of what's going on, i find those hrc supporters and their disdain for me (as your supporter) and you (as their future prez) totally unacceptable. you didn't cheat her out of the nomination. you played by rules, took more than a couple of punches below the belt from her and neglected to retaliate in kind, bested her by conceivable measuring stick and yet she still doesn't undertand why you are the better candidate. hello, if it is a job interview, then she should have interviewed better and impress the hiring managers (the voters). she impressed some women on the hiring team, but the majority, more diverse group of hiring managers went overwhelmingly for obama. no harm no foul!
in case you haven't noticed, if you let a smear go unanswered, it sticks and most of the time the smear is coming from hrc supporters...that's what i find troubling. i have to apologize to the few fervent hrc supporters who are beginning to see the light and who has been trying to slow down with the nasty attacks. the majority are still trying to swallow the "hrc is losing" pill and as long as they exist, i will be hard pressed to sound nicer than this.
May 18, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't feel hard pressed, cher. Take the pressure off of yourself and simply face reality. Barry's about to sneak into the nomination and you're faced with the necessity of having to kiss a lot of Clinton supporter ass if you want Barry to even have any kind of chance to win in November.
Ready to pucker up for Barry?
May 19, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Listen, unless you agree with the "More War Years" crowd who still support Bush even while thinking he's a moron then you'll listen to the subtext of what both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are saying now. It's time to come together as a party, grow up, and stop saying stuff like "Clinton supporters are evil" or "kiss my ass and win my vote". In case you're confused, you fall squarely into the latter group. Grow up. The economy's tanking due to years of blatant mismanagement, the Supreme Court is already on the wrong side of a razors edge margin, and the other guy wants to bomb Iran and has no clue about economy that the lobbyists on his bus want him to have. So just come together, grow up (both sides), and work towards the better future for this country.
May 19, 2008 7:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one is going to be kissing anyone's ass. This is not about entitlement. This is about the future of the country. If you want to stay home, fine. And surely some of your more embittered compatriots will join you, who can't see past their own wounded pride. But there won't be many. And Obama will root out enough new voters that it won't matter.
This is not about you or me or anything anyone says on the internet. This is about health care, and the economy and Iraq and the Supreme Court. (I do not share your earlier stated faith in the Dems in the Senate--who gave us Alito and AG AG and so much else.) This is about Obama leading in a bunch of freshman congresspeople who are a part of his movement, this is about saying goodbye to McCain and Bush and the Republicans and trying to fix some of the damage done in the last eight years. You can decide for yourself whether or not that's important to you, or whether the campaign was about Hillary herself rather than everything she stood for. Hillary will campaign for Obama, she will urge her supporters to vote for him, and I hope she serves in his administration. She is smart and driven and I wonder if once this is all over she will be able to really focus on the causes that have always been important to her--children and health care--without worry for her future. Hillary Clinton not encumbered by the political winds would be a powerful force indeed, and I can't wait to see it.
May 19, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
"This is about Obama leading in a bunch of freshman congresspeople..."
That's the best line in this whole blog today, and something every Democrat needs to consider.
The 50-state landslide is already starting, or McCain wouldn't be begging money from the Republican Party.
May 19, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
So apparently Obama intends to claim victory before he reaches the magic number.
May 19, 2008 3:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton is a Democrat.
In case anyone here's forgotten that.
We need her and her supporters to win against McCain. Would being nice and gracious be so bad? I don't find it hard to be nice to her supporters. Lets just do it.
May 19, 2008 3:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We need her and her supporters to win against McCain."
Yep. But is it going to happen?
Ferraro is stunning - saying she might not vote for Obama. What's she thinking? Is she trying to sway superdelegates back? (Women a larger constituency than African-Americans?)
`Ms. Ferraro, who clashed with the Obama campaign about whether she made a racially offensive remark, said she might not either. “I think Obama was terribly sexist,” she said.
Cynthia Ruccia, 55, a sales director for Mary Kay cosmetics in Columbus, Ohio, is organizing a group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, of mostly women in swing states who plan to campaign against Mr. Obama in November. “We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus,” she said.`
Today's New York Times. `Gender Issue Lives On'
May 19, 2008 8:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Mrs Ferraro has realized that the sum total of her remaining influence on American politics is her one vote in the general election. So she's making the most of it.
May 19, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Cynthia Ruccia, 55, a sales director for Mary Kay cosmetics in Columbus, Ohio, is organizing a group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, of mostly women in swing states who plan to campaign against Mr. Obama in November. “We, the most loyal constituency,"
blah blah blah are gonna stop Obama blah blah blah with a Nader-like view of the consequences, Roe vs Wade be damned.
Now THAT'S loyalty.
May 19, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well ok guys here is my best shot at being nice to the IRON QUEEN!!!SHA NA NA SAY HEY HEY GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE TO GEORGE BUSH!!!!
May 19, 2008 3:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
What I am trying to understand is why anyone thinks Clinton supporters are so simple-minded that that won't realize they are only being schmoozed long enough to get their votes, and then they will be ignored or abused again. We have to assume that the reason they are supporting Hillary is because they believe that Obama doesn't have the same values or concerns that they do. That hasn't changed, and won't. That's why it seems to me that pretending to be nice to them for the next month or six months won't persuade them.
May 19, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
What values differ between Hillary and Obama? Not in degrees of nuance, but to make such a great difference? Everyone is a Democrat--and not a fake Dem like Joe L.
May 19, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it has anything to do with values. I've surfed through the pro-Hillary sites, and there's just an awful lot of talk about not letting the men tell them what to do anymore; not taking this from men; we won't be denied this historic moment; we'll never have the chance to see a woman president in our lifetimes. It really seems to be all about feminism. They truly and honestly believe that this is being "stolen" from Clinton, that "the boys" are stealing it from her. I don't understand it. She's behind by all metrics except the ones she makes up, yet they are convinced that this is being "stolen" from her. I don't think anything will change their minds.
May 19, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, "playing nice" can be the first step in convincing them that they're wrong about this. In terms of values and concerns, Obama and Hillary have a lot more in common than either of them do with McCain.
May 19, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think people should try to feel nice and gracious because if it's fake it doesn't work. This is a community. We know each other. If you were a unifier and a reasonable poster before Senator Obama took control, you will continue to be a positive force. I don't think the rest of you should worry about trying to be something you cannot be.
It's totally cool by the way. I have said it a million times, and I'll say it again, most of us who support Hillary Clinton, check that substantially all of Hillary Clinton's supporters will support Senator Obama despite and not because of anything a Hillary Clinton hater has written in the past several months. In any event, if you have to listen to your candidate in order to determine whether it is in the best interest of the Party and the country to seek unity at this point, then I really don't think you should be wasting your time pretending to want to unify. Hey, maybe all the folks who actually believe that all of the new voters render folks like me superfluous know something I don't yet know.
May 19, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
You render yourself superfluous by supporting a cause that has been lost since february 5.
And that is not meant as a disrespectful Hillary hating diatribe OR a jeremiad, it is simply true.
BTW, doesn't Democracy demand that those new voters, if they outnumber "the superfluous" should be the ones who determine our next candidate?
Or have they just not paid their Democratic Dues to you liking?
I wuold guess that, collectively, they represent the future of our government, so maybe it would be wise to consider their opinion valid, since they seem to be "the new Democratic majority."
May 19, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
What bslev said.
Although I do find it amusing when people say they support Obama because he can unify people (the Dems, the country, ect.), and because he doesn't stoop to the "same old politics" and of his lofty ideas...all while engage in exactly the kind of petty, divisive nastiness that they accuse Hillary and her supporters of.
May 19, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Problem is, just saying something nice about Obama here has, at times, been twisted into dissing Hillary by her rabid, unrealistic partisans...
It is one thing to openly trash them or her, but when we promote Obama, they take it as an insult.
There's a big difference between trashing your opponent and defending your candidate, but they don't seem capable of making that distinction.
How many times have we read one of the Hillfolk rage about respecting Hillary, in response to a purely positive post or comment about Obama?
I think our own pro-Hill trolls have proven they are capable of much more bitterness and divisiveness than Obama's supporters, now that the writing is on the wall.
Here's one good example...
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/obama-draws-crowd-of-75000-in.php#comment-2825450
I don't see Hillary discouraging these desperate people..
Now lets see them turn this into a Hillary-hating comment...
May 19, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, the problem is that partisans on both sides have taken this approach.
If you want proof that "Hillfolk" haven't cornered the market on bitterness and divisiveness, all you need to do is look at the responses whenever someone blogs/posts about reaching out to Hillary supporters or the like.
May 19, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
There you go again...
Turning a simple terminology simplification into something offensive...
"Hillfolk" is just a short version of "Hillary supporters," if it is offensive to you, that is your problem, not mine.
I realize, considering West Virginia and Kentucky, there may be more than one way to read that nickname, but it wasn't intentional.
As far as I know...
May 19, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol, I wasn't trying to imply an insult - just using your terminology.
May 19, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I imagine shivers down the spine and I'm not talking about his supporters".
I agree that Senator Obama's crowd in Portland is a credit to him and to the good people of Oregon. But you can see that the post you link to is not an example of the kind of positive post about Obama that you see being trasched by Clinton right or wrongers. To the contrary, the poster you link to could not control himself and was just unable to simply revel in the crowd that Obama attracted. Oh no, instead, he has to write that it sends chills down someone's spine and it's not Obama. It would be inaccurate at best to suggest that the poster is not referring to Senator Clinton. It's a shame; the poster is unable to appreciate all of the positives that surrounds crowd drawn by Obama; the poster needs to ridicule Hillary Clinton (he simply cannot help himself).
So, I think that your premise is correct to the extent it matters, and that is that some Clinton supporters will say jerky or trollish things in response to a post that is simply positive about Obama. But the example you choose reflects, I think, that you are unable or unwilling to see what is and what is not a negative assault on Hillary Clinton.
May 19, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes we aren't really dissing Hillary, some of us just trying to get everyone to lighten up a bit, like this photo-shopped photo.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_5BH6-f-ymHI/SDGjLAlAIwI/AAAAAAAAAUk/6dk1Vtl4mUI/s1600-h/Hillary%27s+West+Virginia+Strategy.jpg
I call it "Hillary's West Virginia Strategy; Just another good-old girl!"
Probably will work for her in Kentucky, too...
Hope it makes you chuckle, not mad...
May 19, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems to me most women who are staunch Hillary supporters care deeply about Roe vs. Wade. What do they think will happen to a woman's right to choose if coming replacements on the Supreme Court are appointed by a McCain administration? I think, for most of them, cooler heads will prevail when it comes to voting this fall. There's simply too much at stake for them.
May 19, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say that it sounds presumptuous (not saying that's your intent) and actually telling that, six months before the election, some Obama supporters are throwing around Roe v. Wade as the reason that women should be voting for Senator Obama. Roe v. Wade is the kind of argument you make to an undecided voter in October. I submit, respectfully, that American women care about many things, and not just Roe v. Wade, in choosing whom to vote for. It's kind of dismissive almost, and again I'm not saying that was your intent, to presume that you just need to holler Roe and the millions of women who have supported Hillary Clinton are just gonna come a runnin'. My feeling is that the best way to sell Senator Obama is to have Senator Obama show that he is one of the people, that he embraces all Americans, young and old, rich and poor, and that he cares about how much they're paying at the pump. Boring? Maybe. The key to electoral success? I think that there is no question.
May 19, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do care deeply about Roe v Wade - and am terribly concerned by the facility with which many Obama supporters suggest anti-choice Vice Presidential candidates. Clearly, choice is not an issue that matters to them. One of the more frequently mentioned choices is Chuck Hagel.
After all the comments about Clinton being a conservative (false) and all the DLC-hating why are so many Obama supporters proposing rightwing conservative Democrats like Sam Nunn (eliminate income tax, national sales tax) and Republicans like Hagel? I trust Obama is not as ridiculous and am certain he would not propose anyone so repellent as his supporters do.
May 19, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
My money, yes,
My vote, indeedy,
My free speech, however,
I can't go for that,
No can do.
May 19, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then don't. Seriously, I agree that you shouldn't do something that conflicts with how you feel and what you believe. I respect your candor, a helluva lot more than I respect the folks who are trying to make believe that, all of a sudden, everything they said was just the product of a heated campaign.
May 19, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Civility is fine, but some threads have interpreted increased civility during the wind-down period as a sign that Obama supporters would welcome Clinton on the ticket. This is generally not the case, for important strategic reasons and also because of the mismatch of philosophies.
May 19, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. Can you actually articulate what the mismatch of philospophies are? This Clinton supporter would love to be educated about mismatched philosophies in a tangible sense. Can you do that?
May 19, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
e.g. Clinton's hawkishness on Iran and Iraq vs. Obama's openness to negotiation, role of lobbyists, appropriate intra-Party campaign tactics, future direction of the Democratic Party. I'm not sure why Clinton has moved to the right of what I viewed as her convictions (e.g. in supporting a bankruptcy bill drawn up by credit card companies and in supporting Bush on Iran and Iraq), but some see it as a sign of the merger of the corporatist wings of the Democratic and Republican Parties. Maybe it's just the accumulated alliances and compromises of a long career in Washington.
A major factor in Obama's appeal is that he appeals to the best in voters, while it's hard to deny that Clinton's mainstay tactic has been appealing to the worst impulses in voters. Clinton had many opportunities to take the high ground, and I think her failure to do so has hurt rather than helped her. Leadership and judgement were the qualities on which she lost to Obama.
May 19, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to break it to you wayitwas, but Obama gets to choose his VP, not his supporters. I expect that the vast majority of us would support him even if he chose Dick Cheney. His primary objective is to bring in those who might not currently support him. Personally, I think that he could choose better than Clinton, and I doubt that he will choose her, but she has some advantages.
PS OK, Cheney might give some of us pause, but you get the picture.
PPS Please no one respond that you will not vote for Obama if he makes Clinton his VP. I don't give a shit.
May 19, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly wasn't saying that it's not Obama's choice. I was making the point that civility on the part of his supporters does not necessarily imply that we think Clinton would be a good choice for VP, as has been interpreted on some threads. I've read about all the methods the Clinton campaign is using to pressure Obama to put Clinton on the ticket. If those of us who disagree and think the ticket would be weaker, not stronger, with Clinton - based on our local experiences in our areas- I think it gives a healthy counterweight to be vocal (in a civil way) about our views.
May 19, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another point about the difference between civility and suppression of strategic views: when the Obama camp weighs the positives v. negatives of any VP candidate, in terms of electoral votes, demographic impacts, loss or gain of enthusiasm, fund-raising potential, etc.: it's a good thing for us to speak in a straightforward way about our views, not to give a misleading picture. There's no reason not to discuss Clinton's pluses and minuses realistically, as we do with any other potential candidate. To do otherwise is condescending to Clinton supporters and not helpful to the Obama campaign.
May 19, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, so what policy differences separate Obama and Hillary so much that it makes sense for Hillary supporters to stay home or vote for McCain come November?
May 19, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
indiex, the more vital question is this--are hrc supporters ready to pucker up to mccain who is the exact antithesis of either hrc or obama? i am betting my bottom dollar that the majority are not that irrational. one would have to really wonder what could possibly motivate a true dem to cast that vote for mccain over any other dem. the answers i am coming up with are frightening.
May 19, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
i agree with your post entirely. i am not vying for a vp post for hrc, but fair is fair. the woman is smart and she is a policy wonk. given a chance, i am sure she will "out-policy" the best of them. obama is not stupid and i am sure, he will find some way to appease hrc. like you, my guess is obama will find a secure spot for hrc that will preserve her good name, eradicate the mess she has made of her credibility on this nasty campaign trail and allow her to shine once more.
after all, she was and still remains a formidable opponent.
May 19, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I feel that many of the posters on Democratic and liberal websites that proclaim that if their candidate does not acquire the nomination they will either stay home or vote for a Republican are really Republican apparatchiks. Demonization, anger and fear have long been the support pillars of Republican campaigns. It is certainly not beneath Karl Rove and company to employ agent provocateurs. And it is certainly not beyond the pale to envision deep cover operatives establishing credentials with quasi-progressive posts in order to drive a wedge between otherwise like thinking progressives and Democrats. I can think of no other reason for people to act against their own self-interest. It is counterintuitive to choose someone from the opposite end of the political spectrum instead of the person with views and policies most like your own simply out of spite. You cannot "take your ball and go home." Your country and indeed the whole world is depending upon you to make a rational decision.
May 19, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly think that is true of all the Obama supporters suggesting Sam Nunn and Chuck Hagel and Michael Bloomberg for the VP slot. A few yahoos have even suggested Joe Lieberman. What surprises me is that the majority of the candidates proposed here are far more conservative than Clinton or Obama - the most conservative of the conservative Democrats. This makes me very suspicious of these purported Obama supporters - particularly the ones who have also been calling Clinton a Republican Lite and suggesting her for McCain's VP.
It's quite likely they are Republicans. One of Obama's claims is that he draws Republicans.
As to mismatched philosophies, they are more similar than different. Still, on critical economic issues, he is more conservative. For me, though, the worst thing about Obama is his parroting of rightwing memes on Social Security and on religion. Completely NOT USEFUL.
May 19, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been lurking in the Obama and Hillary blogs for several weeks, reading a lot of crazy stuff. Some of it I can pass off as the nature of the beast (internet conversations tend toward the quick come-back over the thoughtful response), but lately there seems to be a much more spiteful and polarizing undercurrent on all of the blogs.
The "agent provocateur" theory makes sense to me, I think it will be easier to spot them after the convention. (Yes folks, I think it is going to be that long).
May 19, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree it will probably go to the convention.
Before the change-over of site software, TPM profiles included the length of membership at TPM and also displayed all past comments, linked to the original threads. So it was easier to tell who had signed on recently just to roil the water.
May 19, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
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