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Obama only gets mad if you call him a pol
he only simmers, reflects and pontificates when confronted with someone who has the thought that the US of America would want to develop AIDS as a weapon against people of color....he only simmers & muses when his pastor is quoting as damning US of America with faint praise....he only simmers when his mentor speaks of the dastardly Zionists...and has the Nation of Islam protecting the speaker while he spews the imprecations.
until the Reverend implied that Senator Obama was being, uh, how shall we say it, hypocritical or acting like a regular old pandering politician, well, THAT got the man from Illinois into a real state.
then, and only then did he reject, dismiss & wholly disassociate himself from the Reverend. this speaks volumes as to the values of Senator Obama, its all about him, ultimately, thus, where is the new politics?
i have been lusting to do this, but now I get to Mondale on Barrack: WHERES THE BEEF? WHERES THE BEEF? I DONT THINK THERES ANYBODY BACK THERE?
does Clinton have an ego? does the Pope sleep in the woods? but, no way she shows her petulance in any way shape or form compared to Obama, he is the King of Spin and his ego is petitioning for statehood.






Comments (19)
You are clearly unhinged in some fundamental fashion. First, not a single one of your purported "offenses" ever happened in the pulpit at Trinity Church. Second, it has zero to do with Barack or his candidacy.
I don't care if Wright believed that the Founding Father were the love child of an alien and Elvis and have conspired to take over the world. It is immaterial to Barack. Period. Guilt by association is yesterday's political tactics. Best keep up or the Clintons will stop paying your weekly stipend of Raman noodles and casino vouchers.
I am not going to bother giving a link to the sermons in full, but he never accused the government of creating AIDS to kill minorities. He HAS intimated that the response to crisis has been very focused on rich people and not the poor people, on treating symptoms and not providing a cure. The US policy toward AIDS and HIV has contributed to the continued spread of the disease, most notably among black American women.
You know what? God must surely damn this country for any of hundreds of reasons - child mortality rate, poor versus rich, exploitation of lower classes, etcetera, etcetera.
Barack was willing to give a long-time friend and spiritual confidant the benefit of the doubt on opinions that didn't quite jibe with Wright's ministry of peace - until it was clear that he didn't deserve it or had misrepresented himself in their friendship.
That he would call Barack just another politician shows that he either doesn't know the man or is deliberately offering himself as the sacrificial lamb to Americans such as yourself. Yet, even that isn't enough.
May 1, 2008 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love to see a link to the sermon in which the AIDS comment appeared. It seems to me to be the least defensible of Wright's remarks.
"Chickens coming home to roost" was a poorly chosen phrase a week after 9/11 but it came at the end of a perfectly respectable line of argument.
God Damn America made perfect sense as the conclusion of a sermon on selected historical examples of countries -including the US-doing evil
so God can not bless a country unreservedly but only when it is doing good. It's all well and good for an individual to say " My country right or wrong" but God can't.
But the idea that the US was deliberately inflicting AIDS on it black population was simply too dumb a statenment for someone as smart as Wright.
May 1, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a link to the transcript of his NPC speech: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/28/transcript-rev-wright-at-the-national-press-club/.
The "offending" quote is:
I read different things. As I said to my members, if you haven’t read things, then you can’t — based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.
In fact, in fact, in fact, one of the — one of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non- question, because all we had to do was check the sales records. We sold him those biological weapons that he was using against his own people.
So any time a government can put together biological warfare to kill people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold them, yes, I believe we are capable.
"In fact, in fact, in fact, one of the — one of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non- question, because all we had to do was check the sales records. We sold him those biological weapons that he was using against his own people.
"So any time a government can put together biological warfare to kill people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold them, yes, I believe we are capable."
I don't really find anything about this stance offensive. Our history has proven that America's government will do anything, commit any atrocity, if it suits the agenda of those in charge at any given time.
It's not a great big conspiracy. Reagan decided that IV drug users and homosexuals didn't deserve treatment as much as middle class white victims of tainted blood transfusions.
Does that mean the government "create AIDS" to kill black people? I don't think that is what Wright was saying in the above quote.
The term "Medical Apartheid" is pretty easy to get in context when he asked if the questioner had read the book, which he hadn't. Using the lack of medical care to the profound detriment of specific citizens is just as bad as cooking up a virus in a laboratory and unleashing it on purpose. Both represent the willful neglect of both human decency and government responsibility to ALL of its citizens.
I just think that taking anyone out of context and parsing their points, whether obvious hyperbole or not, will lead to misunderstanding and controversy. Which is exactly what has happened to a good man who has done good works for his community for more than 40 years.
May 1, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
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May 1, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Having read that Q&A transcript ,thanks, I agree with your summary (FWIW I agree with what he actually did say).From the press coverage I'd mistakenly concluded that he had flatly stated that the US had deliberately inflicted AIDs
on Blacks.
Going back to the original sermon ,it seemed intuitively obvious that someone with his particular qualities would not have made the notorious statement..
You've been more than helpful but one of these days I hope to read a transcript of that original sermon.
Absent that Reagan's non response to the epidemic provides a sufficient basis for anyone to say that his administration "inflicted" AIDs on our entire society. And, just speculatng, if Wright's sermon combined that undoubted fact with the undoubted fact of Tuskegee I can see how that could have provided the elements of a typically Wrightsian rhetorical statement close enough to a outright indictment to play into the hands of the scissors-wielders at Fox News.
Certainly his God Damn America clip requred careful snipping to produce an effect almost 180 degrees away from the gist of the sermon from which it was wrenched.
It's a tough league. And I'm afraid the good guys don't always win.
May 1, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad I could help. I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, but agree that the bad guys are good at Old School politics and will exploit any opening.
May 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
We simply do not know what Obama knew and when he knew it. The "well, he sat and listened to that pastor for 20 years" line simply doesn't do it for me. Frankly, I happen to agree with a great deal of what Reverend Wright believes. I will say that I don't think the US government created AIDS to kill black people, but I understand someone with knowledge of history and what we did with those black airmen and syphilis might come to believe. Moreover, is it such a stretch to suggest that the U.S. government shares some blame in the 9/11 attacks? After all, we trained Bin Laden in counter-insurgency techniques during our proxy war with the Soviets in the 80's. That said, Obama has repeatedly condemned the words of his pastor. The reason for the break with him that occurred on Tuesday was, in part, that the pastor was telegraphing to the press that Obama believed the same things he did. There is simply no evidence that this is the case. Obama's books, speeches, and various writings have been vetted and there is zero evidence that he believes in anything radical at all. It seems that Obama internalized all the good things Reverend Wright taught about social action, without internalizing the more radical ideas that he espoused. Obama has already admitted that he views Wright in a sociological prism--as someone that was shaped by events that are no longer dominant, and as such, separated the wheat from the chaff.
The Wright issue only matters now to those who never would vote for Obama anyway, whatever those reasons might be. Yes, if Obama is the nominee, the republicans, particularly in the south where racism is still endemic, will resurrect Wright for their own nefarious purposes. My response to this concern is, so what. If it wasn't this, it would be some other straw man. My view is, bring it on! The republicans will only alienate themselves further with the AA community, and the backlash among white moderates may be significant.
May 1, 2008 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
What?
May 1, 2008 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rev. Wright's comments were very carefully worded for a certain amount of deniability: I wouldn't put it passed our government to promulgate AIDS based on what we saw from Tuskegee. But Rev. Wright's comments promulgated a disabling level of paranoia and fed hatred nonetheless. Obama has made no reproach to Rev. Wright that Obama is willing to discuss -- Rev. Wright intimates that Obama is distancing himself from Wright's positions for political reasons. What ever Rev. Wright's faults dishonesty does not seem to be one of them. Obama appears to have specifically told the Reverend that Obama would might have to distance himself from the Reverend because 'you know that you get rough sometimes in sermons.' Under these circumstances -- the only revealed reproach being for style not substance -- shouldn't the Reverend believe that Obama agrees with him?
Obama made no known reproach to the Reverend and is now paying the price.
It is indeed interesting to see how quickly Obama has become incensed when it is own stature versus America's stature which is at issue.
The other way that Obama could have handled this rather than saying my spiritual guide for twenty years is my crazy uncle in the attic would be to acknowledge that while Reverend Wright has gone over the top there is a grain of truth in some of his criticisms and here it is. But Obama plays his Rorschach defense instead -- I don't agree with his inflamatory statements some ones of which
I was not in the pews for. So if you like some of the Reverend's statements you can imagine Obama agrees, and if not, well, Obama doesn't agree does he?
May 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
He was not reacting to the implication that he is a politician. He was reacting to the implication that he is a dishonest politician. If I were to call you a liar would that offend you more or less than me believing some BS conspiracy theory?
May 1, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Larry: Amen, brother. Moreover, in saying that Obama is a liar, Wright implied that Obama does actually believe Wright's inflammatory views. That undermines Obama's candidacy to the max, and that undermines my and million's of other peoples hopes, the hopes of people who believe that Obama is genuinely Lincolnesque. Cherry is a woman, so I guess we have to forgive her. Women don't read or study the issues. Silly prejudice like Cherry's prejudice against Obama.
She drank the koolaid and won't take the time to investigate her candidate one tenth of the time she uses to grossly degrade Obama. She hasn't read the spate of articles showing that Hillary tried to destroy the career of a widely admired, even loving democrat of Tenn, Congressman Cooper, because he didn't agree with her health care proposal. That's who she is. Petulant? Geez, she's way beyond petulant. Petulant would be okay. But Hillary throughout this campaign and her political life is a vicious person, whereas Obama, in response to the ultimate dagger in the back from someone he has supported and counted on for spiritual support only expressed anger and in the most temperate way possible, always carefully explaining his feelings and detailing his evidence. He also qualified his judgments, saying that Wright may not have meant to hurt him; he also said he would talk with him and try to understand. Hillary is a divider. Obama is the most sophisticated and genuine uniter of all US presidents since Lincoln.
May 1, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since you asked:
There's The Beef
From the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022102826.html
May 1, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suggest a lot more cerebration for you, "cherry" picker.
May 1, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whenever Cherry G posts on a topic it signals that it is officially dead. Thank god this distraction has finally had its play.
Also thank god the supers are finally starting to do their job. Those that know how they are voting should step up to the plate now so that it will ultimately be the voters of one of the state that put Obama over the top.
May 1, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
How was it?
May 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
My GOD!!! This Rev. Wright b.s. is really wearing me thin...
So, let's get down to it...Obama was in Wright's church for 20 years - he may have heard controversial things or not...whatever. He's Black (well, mixed - looks Black) so apparently he has some connection to Louis Farrakhan - we ALL do, even though Lou has never answered any of my emails - elitist bastard... He lives on the same block as this Ayers guy. (I thought Weather Underground was a jazz group...or was that Weather Report...Well, obviously they're related and I bet Obama has an album or two...)He (along with EVERYONE who questions his patriotism) doesn't wear a flag pin on his lapel. And apparently, he has Marxist tendancies for suggesting a raise in the capital gains tax.
The real question, however, is what do you think Obama will do in the WH vis a' vis his association with Wright and Ayers and all of that mentioned above? Exactly what are we worried about?
- Will he legalize torture?
- Will he illegaly attack a soverign nation that has never done a damn thing to this country?
- Will he screw wounded veterans out of health care?
- Will he hollow out the military?
- Will he just shrug his shoulders and drop the search for bin Laden?
- Will he just sit by and ignore (months of) warnings about a pending large-scale terrorist attack and let another 9/11 happen?
- If we are attacked, will he sit there for 7 GODDAMN MINUTES reading 'My Pet Goat'?
- Will he start some real crazy rendition program where US 'agents' can kidnap Arab men anywhere in the world and have them tortured and held incognito for years? (Can't wait to see 'blowback' from that shit! - well, yes, actually, I can wait...)
- Will he spy on Americans?
- Will he appoint unqualified cronies to key positions to block investigations and screw up disaster relief efforts?
- Will he allow the Pentagon (and Fox News) to beam pro-admin propoganda into American homes - in the U.S.?
- Will he completely politicize the DOJ?
- Will he (or members of his Administration) out CIA agents working under cover to monitor and interdict nuclear proliferation?
- Will he give the wealthy massive unfunded tax cuts while our nat'l debt rises, our infrastructure crumbles and our basic needs go unmet?
etc...etc...etc...
I mean honestly folks! Let's all take a breath; pull our heads from our collective asses and approach this whole election with a bit of common sense and adult-ness (is that a word?) We're looking like a nation of complete morons! The Benedict Arnolds who have undermined the strength, leadership, credibilty and economic stability of this country are already in the Whitehouse!
May 1, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
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