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Obama, Don't Turn My Financial Contribution To Your Campaign Into A Reward For Hillary's Ugly Campaign

This is an except from an article entitled, "Big Rewards Await Clinton If She Ends Campaign Now", By Thomas B. Edsall:

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"..A prompt withdrawal from the contest for the Democratic nomination offers Sen. Hillary Clinton the prospect of major rewards.

One of the most inviting is the near certainty that the Obama campaign would agree to pay back the $11.4 million she has loaned her own bid, along with an estimated $10 million to $15 million in unpaid campaign expenses."
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As an ardent Obama supporter, this notion is absolutely ludicrous to me. (And I definitely agree with Josh's earlier post on TPM about this topic.) I have  contributed to Obama's campaign on at least four separate occasions. And it just sickens me that my hard earned money would be used to pay off Clinton's debts as a carrot to get her to stop running her race.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are multi-millionaires! And they have the latitude to make millions more after the elections are over. (Seriously,  Hilary can just write another book about her woeful bid for the presidency!) Why should regular everyday Americans have our monies siphoned into Clinton coffers? Especially after the Clintons have run such a racially polarizing, manipulative, ugly and destructive campaign?

Mr Obama, I beseech you, don't use our money to pay off Clinton's debts. If you do, it will become a MAJOR issue for some of your supporters. Let Hillary's campaign sputter itself out. If  Hillary gets ugly again, let the super delegates step in to end it. For all practical purposes, you are the presumptive nominee. If you ran your campaign on not catering to Washington's "old style" politics, then don't deign yourself to reward the Clinton's by using OUR money to pay THEIR debts. After all, the Clinton's ran up those debts trying to destroy YOUR campaign. We gave you money, in part to counter that. It is NOT your responsibility -- nor ours -- to pay them off.








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Here's the link to that article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/big-rewards-await-clinton_n_100694.html

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Absolutely no way Obama should us my $$$ to Help out Hillary Clinton's campaign.
This Lady doesn't need nor deserve my money as she has enough already!
That would be a (my first ?) Major disapointment toward Obama if he was to do such a outrageous thing.

Hillary Clinton has not be a fair opponent she has been nasty, manipulating and spinning. While also redefining the rules and her Race result according to her own interest.

She is just a disgrace.
Mr. Clinton is also part of it. Let have him pay for it.


Does the bankrupcy legislation she supported before she didn't apply to her campaign? It certainly does to the common folk sending checks to the campaigns.

One thing to consider; there a lot of well connected Hillary staffers in states like Iowa who were left unpaid in the wake of this desperate run for the wire.

Most, the VAST majority will support the Democratic nominee, gladly.

Since they are certain to become our teammates, this might be a very good way to bring them much more happily into the fold.

And we can afford it. I think the money machine Obama has yet to finish building will shame the Billionaire's club (those power-broken Republicans who think they own the rest of us) after the primary than it has up until now.

We should view this as a drop in the bucket, compared to what we have yet to see.

So don;t consider this paying off Hillary's bills, consider it paying off good Democrats for their hard work and loyal service, not to Hillary, but to our party.

If all it takes to heal some of these wounds, and reunite many, many acitvists with their own party, we shouldn't hesitate.

I'mnot talking about her Penn bills, BTW, or anything relating to her top staff, they should go to Biull and Hillary to settle those debts.

But as for the university, college and high school venues that never were paid for, and the soundstages and domestic help, and the street-level staffers who actually did the work those others claimed, this gesture would be not only unifying, it would bind those people permanently to our noble cause.

Don't punish Hillary's loyal Democrats for her personal willfulness. They deserve our support and respect.

A lot more than the Penns and all the rest of our Democratic Party Roves who pushed this envelope so far into the process.

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Look, I wouldn't have a problem with Obama paying bills submitted by Hillary's creditors. That's actually a pretty stand-up thing to do. What I have a problem with is the idea of paying back the loan that Hillary made to her own campaign.

When candidates loan their own money to their campaigns, they *know* there's a huge amount of risk involved. They know that if they lose, the money was wasted and that's that. But hey, the Clintons can afford it - they have plenty of money, and have the right to spend it any way they like.

However . . . contributions to Obama were never intended to be used to pay back these inherently super-risky loans, especially when the lenders already have more money than most of Obama's donors will ever see in their lifetimes. Hillary made the loans knowing how risky they were - Obama has neither a reason nor the right to use his campaign contributions to bail her out.

Now, if he wants to pay off Hillary's loan with his own money, that's his business. But if he uses my donation to pay Hillary's self-loan back, I will be PISSED.

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He won't. This is media tripe. While it may have been a common thing to do in 20th century campaigns, those days are over. In the old days, when fats cats funded campaigns and expected these shenanigans, that may have been a common tactic. But this campaign is funded by the people, and Barack knows it. He will not risk jeopardizing his funding base by pissing us off that way. And even if this were possible, it would certainly not include the money she owes herself (11.4 million) or the money she owes Mark Penn (about 10 million). Can you imagine a man worth 4 million giving 11 million to a woman worth 110 million? No way.

If it's any consolation, I called Obama headquarters today and asked them if this was something that was forwarded by the Obama campaign or the media. The person I talked to said it was absolutely something created by the media and that Obama was not putting that out there. She said that was something that wasn't even being discussed until people started calling about it.

At any rate, I went and put in my opinion that he shouldn't do that just in case. She even asked for my name and number to give it that "I'm listening to you" feel. If you'd like to follow suit: 1-(866)675-2008

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I Just called & as usual quick friendly response from a real Person who gave me the same info. & said she has fielded TONS of calls today on this issue & it's being heard loud & clear...
YES WE CAN!!! Peace.

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Dear Tikitemmbo,

Thanks for the phone number. I have been frothing at the mouth all day long about this rumor and the phone number will allow me the illusion that I can do something about it.

Dan

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While emotionally I agree with you, we all need to stop and think about what do we most want? I'd say it's Obama as the nominee and a united front.

Check out this really hard-hitting article at Salon.com by a staffer on a previous campaign that was hot-headed and divisive. It might have you rethinking.

"What does Hillary want?
What would it take for Clinton to concede defeat? An insider remembers -- and draws lessons from -- the backroom deals that ended another brutal, racially charged Democratic slugfest

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/08/deal/index.html

I was going to post almost the same thing. As someone who has sent Obama a few hundred over the past months, with money being very tight in my household and getting worse every day, I would be very upset if he did this. No deals.

Exactly my case too. And my sentiments.

Does anyone know if she has any campaign debts, except for her self-loans -- debts not covered by her contributions?

Yes! Her campaign is in arrears to the tune of 12 million with vendors. One vendor in PA even sent her bill to Obama asking if he'd like to pay it as a publicity stunt.

Hear,hear! I've been donating on a weekly basis since January, not in large amounts but far more than I've ever donated to any politician. There's no way that I want my hard earned money diverted to support the opposition who ran such an egregiously mismanaged campaign and ended up in the hole as a result. That would be not only ironic, but obscene considering how morally repugnant I find this woman. I can afford to support the candidate of my choice. I can't afford to support two candidates and I won't support Hillary Clinton even if she were to become the nominee. She can bail out her campaign all by herself.

If Obama wants to become magnanimous, I suggest that he check with his donor base beforehand. He may not miss my weekly gift, but he will miss a lot of donors who feel the same way.

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I absolutely agree with you on this. That $10M they got the night of April 22, use that to pay your debts. That's was a record, no other campaign has done even close to that. WTH are going to pay for her and the likes of Penn, Wolfson, Lanny Davis et al.

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I'm ok with paying back all her debts except the ones that she loaned herself (look, if she was dumb enough to put that money in after she knew she would lose, why should she get repaid?) I'm also a little sick to my stomach about paying Mark Penn his $5m, but unfortunately he can't forgive that debt without making an illegal campaign contribution.

But all the poster makers, donut shops, and other people who put business faith in HRC and are getting stiffed, I have no problem with Obama paying those debts.

I do. Especially since she's a millionaire 100 times over.

I think she should ask her very wealthy, arrogant and threatening friend Harvey Weinstein to pay off her debts, especially the $11.4 million the campaign owes her and Billy. If he supports her so much, he should happily open his entire bank account to her.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/top_hillary_supporter_harvey_w.php#comments

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He can't. He is limited to 2300, just like the rest of us.

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Exactly. She is allowed to give her campaign up to 50% of her net worth. Romney made gifts to his campaign, not loans. There was no requirement that she "loan" her campaign the money, beyond her own greed. She could write a personal check right now and pay off every debt and every mom and pop vendor without breaking a single rule. She is just too flippin' greedy. This champion of the working class would rather stiff these vendors than be out a dime. Screw her.

I am volunteering on Saturday with the campaign in Oregon. I will ask around if there is talk of Obama even considering this.

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Again! This is a non-Obama rumor! His campaign says this isn't even being discussed as a possibility. He isn't going to ruin his own fund raising base to bail out Clinton. Relax friends. All is well.

You can call the campaign headquarters yourself at:
1-866-675-2008 You'll probably feel better if you hear it yourself.

I'd be interested to hear what others might think of this idea: I personally would be willing to pay a $100.00 as a one time deal if it meant that Hillary agreed to stop immediately and that she would actively campaign for Obama with her supporters. I don't think this money should come out of Obama campaign funds, but what if we had a separate fund, with conditions, for this purpose so that only people who agreed with the idea could contribute, but the money would be completely separate. I'd like to see the party heal and this mess to end. This could be a fund open to both Obama and Clinton supporters and it could be great P.R. too. I figure I'll be donating money to fight her for the next month and it will eat up campaign time that could be better used. I'd rather pay her to go home. What do you guys think?

Hillary won't pay them. If Obama did, how do you think it will affect thier opinion of him?

Can anyone imagine a more noble gesture?

Otherwise, only the Penns will get paid.

Keep in mind, Bionic, these people would become a real asset to the future campaign. Imagine the depth their loyalty, that after being discarded by the Clintons, they are paid by US. By you and me and the rest of Obama's contributors, there's even some ironic justice in it all.

I also think it would be a very good political move, and a very noble gesture towards the heart of our party.

And not only can we can afford it, it could probably turn into a huge fundraiser, well over and above the 10 to 20 million that Hill's top ops left in their wake.

And keep in mind, I'm talking about the street level people, not her millionaire staffers.

Furthermore, why would I want to support a candidate using this brand of politics?

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/08/clinton-boasts-of-white-support/

I know this might be labeled spam since I'm posting it alot, but I feel it's important to put this out there since it seems like most people are worried:

If it's any consolation, I called Obama headquarters today and asked them if this was something that was forwarded by the Obama campaign or the media. The person I talked to said it was absolutely something created by the media and that Obama was not putting that out there. She said that was something that wasn't even being discussed until people started calling about it.

At any rate, I went and put in my opinion that he shouldn't do that just in case. She even asked for my name and number to give it that "I'm listening to you" feel. If you'd like to follow suit: 1-(866)675-2008

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The problem may be the enthusiasm with which she supports him. While it would not be good for her career to submarine him, she can make it easier or harder. So on the other hand, if paying her off is worth $15m in voter appreciation (in other words, if the 15m spent on other campaign activities was equivalent to what we could buy from Clinton enthusiastic support) then the argument could be made, but frankly I highly doubt that...

The problem with this argument, however, is exactly what does "enthusiastic support" from Hillary Clinton really mean? Apparently she was rather tepid in her support for both Kerry in '04 and Gore in '00. Unfortunately, that reflects her track record. She is not going to do but so much. With that said, in my opinion, it's still wrong to use our money to buy her "enthusiastic support".

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Right, BS. When you get the "enthusiastic support" of someone like HRC, a hated figure in half of US households, who needs detractors? And then there's the husband . . . .

I have to say that when I read Josh's post on this yesterday, I was speechless and sort of numb. On one hand I can understand the rationale, but like others, the thought of rewarding the likes of Mark Penn and thinking of some of the dirty tactics and harm to the party that some of the paid political hacks have done, I am against it and hope it doesn't happen.

The Clintons are multimillionaires and their bullying fundraisers that harassed Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi for following the rules can help raise money for her to pay her debt. She has been talking about her experience and her economic leadership superiority for so long, she needs to cough up and put her money where her mouth is.

I haven't read this anywhere else, so I hope it's not going to happen.

I, too, am distressed by the notion that the Obama campaign might agree to pay off Hillary's campaign debt -- particularly now, after the North Carolina primary, when it is clear that every campaign dollar she racks up from now on is wasted money. (She has wasted enough already in mismanagement, etc.)

As a substitute teacher I make $75 a day. I have gladly and repeatedly given the Obama campaign money (that I truly could not afford to give) precisely because I support his stand for honesty and integrity.

I did not give that money to bail out someone who has demonstrated anything but ethical behavior. Someone whose limitless entitlement complex apparently extends, now, to expectations of being rewarded financially simply for doing the right thing and bowing out -- whether she does it gracefully or kicking and screaming.

The Obama campaign is welcome to use my money to get him elected. If there is a substantial balance in the account, it's fine with me for them to donate the rest to the DNC. But....the campaign committee needs to understand that it is creating a real stumbling block to further donations -- just when it really counts -- if it agrees to this plan.

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I think we are worrying over nothing. I like Edsell, but he was way off on this. No one in the Obama camp has suggested this is going to happen. I question whether its even legal (seeking my donation for one purpose and then using it for the opposite purpose).

As some have commented, the only way this will happen would be him paying off small, mom and pop vendors who are getting screwed and for which the political payoff would be strongly in his favor. But I don't even think that is on the table. Let's wait and see, but let's not get upset with our candidate for something that isn't even a thing yet.

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Actually George Stephanopolos (sp?) of ABC is making the same claims! Gag me with a spoon!

Dan

I couldn't agree more! I spewed coffee all over my laptop when I read that this morning!!! I only work part time and had to beg my husband (who is a conservative) on bended knee, promising all kinds of sexual favors, for my contributions to Obama. I can just about justify repaying Hillary's debts to her vendors who don't deserve to get stiffed, but no way am I repaying either the Clintons or Mark Penn. All three of them knew the odds were against them for a long time now and not only that have been running a dirty campaign and tearing down my candidate to boot. I'm not sending any more money until I get some kind of assurance that that's not going to happen. OTOH, do you think this whole story is some kind of plant by the Clinton campaign? Jeez, I'm getting so paranoid!!!

Well, I would say we should still give money to Obama's campaign. But at the same time I forwarded a copy of this post to Obama's website, so that he is aware that this is an issue to be careful of.

And yes, it's possible the Clinton's are circulating this story through 'media contacts' seeking a big payoff. I have thought about that.

The only way this could work would be if Obama raised money specifically for this purpose. He won't use the money already raised for this exactly because he is aware of the symbolism it would provide.

This is so true. As abhorent as the idea is to so many people there is a compromise. Pay the part of the debt that does not go back to the Clintons. They can take care of their personal debt themselves. They have over $100 million, and there is no sign that their earning capapcity has ended.

If the money for this is raised seperately, then it won't seem that the Clinton's are taxing people who make less money for Hillary's personal hobby. What else would you call a campaign that you can't pay for because not enough people are buying in to it? When you don't have the support of your supporters and you are traveling in a "no donation zone" you can't expect poorer people to bail that out. I really think Obama is aware of all of this, and these are some of the finer points of negotiation.

I think a lot of people would give $10, or $20 dollars for Bubba anbd Hill to go up against John McCain and say that everything they said against Obama was just politics, and stay on the stump to urge their supporters to join in. Additionally, Clintonites (especially older females) might appreciate the "Knight in Shining Armour" chivalry coming fromn Obama.

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"And yes, it's possible the Clinton's are circulating this story through 'media contacts' seeking a big payoff."


I believe that Tim Russert first mentioned this idea of "Obama could pay off her debts" on Tuesday evening while the world was waiting for the Indiana results.

There's an interesting article by Jacob Leibenluft at slate.com ("Can a Campaign Go Bankrupt?" -- I don't know how to get links to work). The article states that campaigns are required to pay back debt, but it's different if the candidate ponied up the money:

"[Election] Debt retirement gets a little more complicated when candidates lend their own money to their campaign. After an election is over, any campaign contributions that go toward repaying the candidate's own loans serve, in practice, as money directly into a politician's pocket. As a result, campaign law (PDF) now limits to $250,000 the amount a campaign committee can repay the candidate after the election. In the case of the Democratic primary, the election will end when a nominee is selected in Denver. So unless Clinton is able to raise enough money to pay herself back by then, she'll have to write off millions of dollars she lent to her campaign."

The "Obama paying off Clinton's debt" option that several pundits are pushing is probably meant as enticement for her to drop out of the race. By some estimates, she's racked up close to 25 Million in debt (10-15 in unpaid bills plus 11.4 million in loans from herself) and I'm sure the idea of having to raise funds to pay that back after pulling out of the race is daunting. As someone who contributed (albeit tiny amounts) to the Obama campaign, I think it's worth it to end this thing sooner rather than later.

I thought the interesting fact to come out of all of this was that it took John Glenn 20 years to pay off his last campaign! But then, he didn't have $100 million.

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I have no reason to believe that Obama would give his donations to the Clintons. But if he does, I consider that a crime and an indication that Obama is just a typical politician who plays with other people's money with no regard for common sense or fairness.

Steal from the poor; give to the rich. That's what Bush has been doing, with the complicity of the Democrats in Congress. We've had enough.

I have no reason to believe it either. (Although I do vaguely recall reading a story about John McCain paying off Rudolph Gulliani's campaign debts -- but of course they're friends.)

At some point Hillary is going to have to capitulate. I say let it happen naturally. There's no need to induce.

While we all may bemoan the thought of Obama paying down Hillary's debt it has been done before. This is not a new idea in political campaigns. However, as we all know Obama's campaign has broken all the old historical molds as to the way to run and fund a campaign. So here's a thought - the campaign can send out an email to all it's contributors asking for a vote on whether to pay her debt or not. Another approach would be to start a separate fund that both Hillary supporters and Obama supporters can donate to just to pay off her debt. This may accomplish two things Obama supporters who have no problem with it can do it and it starts to get Clinton supports involved with Obama Campaign in a positive way.

Just a thought.

Two EXCELLENT suggestions, JS. Both are equally remarkable. Very impressive.

Thanks, sometimes the gears in my brain engage.

I like the 2nd idea a lot because it would also get Clinton supporters information into the Obama database for his campaign to begin wooing them; unless sharing her database would be part of the deal anyway.

I forwarded these suggestions to Obama's website.

Oh sure take the credit :)

In your name of course.

Movers and shakers..

Watch these ideas become the campaign's approach..

Viva la Blogs!

Yeah, WE are the Deciders from now on!

I know this might be labeled spam since I'm posting it alot, but I feel it's important to put this out there since it seems like most people are worried:

If it's any consolation, I called Obama headquarters today and asked them if this was something that was forwarded by the Obama campaign or the media. The person I talked to said it was absolutely something created by the media and that Obama was not putting that out there. She said that was something that wasn't even being discussed until people started calling about it.

At any rate, I went and put in my opinion that he shouldn't do that just in case. She even asked for my name and number to give it that "I'm listening to you" feel. If you'd like to follow suit: 1-(866)675-2008

I know this might be labeled spam since I'm posting it alot, but I feel it's important to put this out there since it seems like most people are worried:

If it's any consolation, I called Obama headquarters today and asked them if this was something that was forwarded by the Obama campaign or the media. The person I talked to said it was absolutely something created by the media and that Obama was not putting that out there. She said that was something that wasn't even being discussed until people started calling about it.

At any rate, I went and put in my opinion that he shouldn't do that just in case. She even asked for my name and number to give it that "I'm listening to you" feel. If you'd like to follow suit: 1-(866)675-2008

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People assume OBama needs Hillary out now.

Wrong!

Her remaining in the race now is probaby good for Obama:

- continues press coverage of him, leaving McCain on the sidelines for a little longer
- he'll need to campaign in these places, so running ads now is good for the general
- with no fear of losing, he can take the high road and be even more gracious
- letting Hillary hang on will assuage her hardcore supporters as they learn to accept reality

That's exactly right. Obama has no reason to negotiate an early exit for Clinton.

To use a football analogy, Obama's got the ball and the lead and only has to run out the clock. Trying to get his opponent to forfeit the game at this point makes no sense. The game is his. Hillary only has to decide how much further in debt she is willing to go.


Nice analogy. Running out the clock sounds like a good idea if there are no Hillary bail-out plans. Otherwise, she'll keep racking up the debt if she thinks someone else will pay.

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I lost my job in Sept. and I'm pretty sure the little bit of money I was able to contribute to the Obama campaign means more to me than the 11.4 million the Clintons are out. According to their tax returns couldn't president clinton give a few speeches and pay off campaign debts?

I know this might be labeled spam since I'm posting it alot, but I feel it's important to put this out there since it seems like most people are worried:

If it's any consolation, I called Obama headquarters today and asked them if this was something that was forwarded by the Obama campaign or the media. The person I talked to said it was absolutely something created by the media and that Obama was not putting that out there. She said that was something that wasn't even being discussed until people started calling about it.

At any rate, I went and put in my opinion that he shouldn't do that just in case. She even asked for my name and number to give it that "I'm listening to you" feel. If you'd like to follow suit: 1-(866)675-2008

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There is no reason for Obama to clean up the mess the Clintons have created. His nomination is not dependent on when Hillary gets out. Her political future is riding on that timing. Bill and Hillary have proven throughout this process they care about nothing more than power, not the country and surely not the party.

She continues to insinuate she is the more electable candidate even after North Carolina and Indiana. Our concern shouldn't be whether Obama is going to pay off the Clinton coronation debt, our concern should be who is contributing to the Clintons joint assets allowing them to continue to try and buy this nomination.

I would vote to compensate the vendors who have been waiting for payment, some of them for months!

But I am unwilling to compensate her advisers or her own coffers.

Ordinary citizens should not be penalized for agreeing to provide food or whatever. And fine, go ahead and pay them. And let them know their fellow citizens are paying these bills on behalf of future President Obama.

But she has run an unwise and profligate campaign. And those bills, to her cronies and to her bankers rightfully belong to her.

So I would advise that the bills be turned over to the Obama campaign to be carefully sorted into two piles. Those of unsuspecting ordinary business people all over the country who have been stiffed. We help them. And the bills for campaign advice and so on... those are returned to her!

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I have mixed feelings about paying the Clinton campaign debts.

On one hand, the Clintons have made millions (net worth 109 million as of 2006 returns) because of political connections. I won't go into the ethics of these earnings. They are fat cats and can well afford to lose 11.4 million. Democrats might be better advised to help out Bill Richardson and Claire McCaskill with their old campaign debts.

On the other hand, Clinton supporters, who are really pissed at this point, might see Obama's generosity as a reason to look on his candidacy more favorably.

I have contributed the max and look at the money like the gift that it is. I have no claim on it after I make the gife.

This is not Obama's responsibility. Should the DNC take some role? Maybe - in paying off vendors - Hillary's personal loans are her problem.

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I'm a donor who went "all in" for Obama, and I don't want to see my money wasted. But at the same time, why did I donate? To help Obama win the nomination, add new supporters, and unite the Democratic party behind him as the nominee. If he feels that the best way to accomplish those goals is to pay off the Clinton campaign's debts, well, I'll trust his political judgement there since he seems to know a thing or two about running for President. My major concern is that he not pay off the Clintons' loans to her campaign; aside from the propriety of taking from small donors to give to multimillionaires, the optics of "I will give you personally $11M to drop out of the race" looks... questionable.

Very good point about paying the 11+ mil. It would look like a bribe to get her out.

But how about if we also exclude the crony advisers, especially given that she picked them for their loyalty to her, not their expertise!

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I am a graduate student who gave the full 2300 for the primary, which I really couldn't afford and which was about 10% of my pre-tax income. (I don't have kids, so I can justify this contribution and just eat more beans and rice.) I would feel *utterly* betrayed by a pay-off to the Clintons. In the past, when big donors owned the party and called the shots, maybe they didn't mind shifting a million this way or that way to keep everyone happy and keep the game rolling. But this campaign is different - or at least, has been different. If the money I contributed goes to the Clintons (in any way, shape, or form) I'll never give another penny to a candidate - since it could end up in his or her rival's pocket. What's the point in that?

As for all the small vendors, I hate to say it, but they need to sue the Clinton campaign for back payment. We have contract law in this country and that's the right remedy. I feel bad for them - but at the same time, these are small business owners who knew (from January) that the Clintons were not paying their bills. I remember articles from February warning vendors to take "cash up front" when dealing with Hillary's campaign. We have to set a precedent here: cash up front or lawsuits to collect later, but the party can't be hit up for one candidate's vainglory. Anyway, the Clintons can afford to pay back the small vendors they ripped off but I can't afford to pay them back - and it wasn't me who ordered all those sandwiches!

As for the argument that we need to do this for party unity, party unity is a two-way street, and it's high time the Clintons showed a little, by paying their own bills and withdrawing with grace from a race that they've lost. They can afford it: their post-presidency has been the most appallingly lucrative we've ever seen. Shouldn't all the "hard-working" Clinton supporters pressure their candidate to do the right thing by American small business? How 'elitist' is it of HRC to expect me to pay back her debts? Talk about entitlement.

I respect where you're coming from. I've been there! And I hate like heck to pay any debts for this person who has been so irresponsible!

At the same time, while we knew of the bills she'd been leaving everywhere, I bet not all those vendors had the same awareness of that.

I like the idea upthread that there should be a special fund. Get the Clinton supporters in on that too! And no money that you and I already gave should be used for this purpose.

But I feel for those folks, in a recession, who have provided goods and services - and been stiffed. We want to encourage people to feel united. One way to do that is to be neighborly. What the clinton campaign has done is wrong! But her misdeeds should not land on the backs of unsuspecting voters. And indeed, I'm sure that has happened over and over.

That's why I advocate carefully differentiating what kind of bills they are. Her advisors are "backers" and gambled. They are losing. And they are rich! Let them take their losses.

I completely respect your views here. And I too am angry if our donations for Barack reward hillary's bad behavior. But I hate to make things harder to hard-working people who were hoodwinked by the hillary folks!

I agree in principle. The problem I see is the Clinton's could and no doubt would threaten the nuclear option thus leaving the Obama campaign and all of us supporting it to fight monetarily through the summer. This could cost far more than the cost of a 'buyout'. Typing that makes me want to throw up a little in my mouth.....

But, I'll gladly pony up more money to help Obama counter Hillary's Summer 2008 prolonged, "I can't stand to lose" temper tantrum. That sort of display makes her look bad, makes him look good, and in the long run, helps him to get elected.

I'm not willing to have my hard-earned money go towards a pay-off to have her just go away quietly.

Again, Hillary's debts aren't Obama's problem. He has no need to do anything to make her go away. She wants to stay in the race? By all means, stay in.

I'm sympathetic to the argument regarding the unpaid vendors. I think that this is an issue to be addressed by the DNC.

It sounds like you're essentially saying, "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."

Excellent point Ben.
I am not too thrilled about paying for all those negative adds that were meant to disqualify Obama from running. Still, I think calm heads should prevail and make a calculated business decision. If paying off her debt and getting her "enthusiastic support" is more cost effective than just spending the money on the fall campaign - I say do it.
However, I would not pay her debt until after the election to make sure she stays "ENTHUSED" -
Once burned, twice learned!

I donated to help Obama win this, and my donations were made with no strings attached. If his campaign thinks this is the best use of their money, who the hell am I to argue? I trust Obama and his advisors, thats why I support him in the first place.

Why should Obama stop buying his way to the nomination now?
He and his supporters have paid off campaign debts of many of his politician supporters. You gave him the $$ it is his to do with as he sees fit. $407,000 for Bill Richardson according to the Top of the Ticket blog @ L. A., Times.

Don't refer me to some BLOG with no link. Support your information with facts, sir.

here's a link, there were actually several posts there on this topic over the past year.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/billy.htm

Yeah, I was wrong, It's not $407,000 it's $420,848.

"As an elected Democrat, Richardson is a superdelegate to the national convention. So one more of those for Obama. But Richardson's endorsement of Obama goes against his state's popular primary vote for Clinton March 5. The governor may hear about that in months to come, assuming he doesn't, oh, get some kind of new federal job assignment.

But here's something else to watch for. As of Feb. 29, according to The Times' Dan Morain, Richardson had a reported remaining campaign debt from his own doomed presidential effort of $420,848. Other presidential dropouts who end up endorsing a former competitor have found those debts quickly disappearing through contributions from the grateful competitor's supporters."

Umm, the link is dead. No proof there.

Oh, and

"Richardson had a reported remaining campaign debt from his own doomed presidential effort of $420,848. Other presidential dropouts who end up endorsing a former competitor have found those debts quickly disappearing through contributions from the grateful competitor's supporters."

is far different from using contributions already made to his campaign funds to pay off the debt. It's much more like what others here have suggested: sponsoring a dedicated fundraising program to pay off (in this case HRC's) debt.

Oh, and the quotes you offered gave no evidence of your earlier claim that BHO had even done that for Richardson.

follow the money

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First, let me say I respect and understand the "Anti-bail-out" crowd. My comments reflect a different view, and should not be considered attacks at the OB (original blogger) or anyone else.

If Obama can secure the nomination faster-
If Hillary will start working for his election faster-
If the party will unify, faster-

I am all in favor of it.

To me, it shows that Obama respects and admires Hillary enough that he is going to make sure that their is no pain from her departure, and let her focus on raising money for Obama, raising awareness for Obama, and giving McCain the same hard fight she gave Obama.

To me, Hillary Clinton is worth $20 million dollars, and to that end, on the day she announces her withdrawl from the race, I will make a contribution to her campaign to help her retire that debt. (and, no, I don't have $20 million, even if that was legal) Yes, I am angry at her for some of her tactics and mistakes. I am going to be angry at her for a while.

However, I do still admire her, and know that, but for the strength and promise of a better candidate, my candidate, she would have been the nominee.

Hillary Clinton has a lot of important work left to do. She needs to take a leadership role in the Senate. We need a tough, scrappy fighter as Majority Leader, esp. if we don't get the 60 seats we need to stop Republican fillibusters.

We need a replacement for JP Stevens, Ruth Ginnsburg (sp?) and perhaps a few others on the Supreme Court. Who better than Hillary Clinton to be the "de facto" Chief Justice by leading a new band of 5 moderates and liberals to reverse the Roberts/Scalia era.

The points made by many of the posts above express my first, gut reaction. However, as I thought about it longer....we don't want Hillary wounded and distracted, "Licking her wounds" in some cave. We want her out fighting. Fighting for the causes we support, with our fellow Democrats.

It is no hardship to forgive someone who deserves forgivness, and as many have pointed out, Hillary has not reached "deserving" in the minds of many, so we must take on that hardship to win the larger battle, and ask her, and her supporters to stand by our side.

If charity begins at home, let it begin for all of us now, in the home of a united Democratic Party.

No charity for deceptive, race-baiting multi-millionaires. Sorry.

If she chooses to support the nominee for the betterment of the country -- a country she claims to love -- then there's absolutely no reason to buy anything from her.

Her support should come from the heart.

All in favor of part unity, I see!

I have been for Obama since the beginning, and I have loathed Hillary's tactics for some time now. But, IMHO being flip and dismissive of Hillary and her MILLIONS of supporters won't help bring home a win in November.

Paying off her debts is a loathsome idea, and I don't think it will happen. But say for a moment it did, and it helped clear Obama's path to the White House. Wouldn't you be a bit self-righteous and sanctimonious to demand a refund from the President you supposedly helped elect?

Click on wrprintz's name and you will see - the poster has only ever commented on 2 threads. This is someone with specific axes to grind, not a regular. Fla and Bill Nelson. Now this! Sounds to me like a hillary "plant."

As a plant myself, namely bulesage, I resent your speciesist comment. Where would you animals be if it weren't for plants?

TheraP, I love your posts, but that little "investigation" you just did made me feel a little icky. Just respond to the post or ignore it, why try and paint a picture of who the guy is based on his profile? That's a slippery slope.

Plus, the implication that he isn't a "regular", and therefore his opinion isn't as valued, is a little haughty. I don't come here for the echo chamber, nor to share inside jokes with a clique of "regulars". Although I do admit I enjoy that part of it immensely.

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Sorry, your scenario sounds a lot like extortion. [similar to what Hillary's wealthy backers tried to do to Pelosi]