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NYT Turns on its Readers
A newspaper that holds its readers in deep scorn has serious problems.
I don't know what is going on within the NYT, but their recent political coverage is an indication that things are bad.
Most New Yorkers like and support Hillary Clinton.
There are plenty of Obama supporters. But generally, this is a Clinton town.
And we are stunned by sadistic the way our paper has turned on our candidate - and us! Our feelings be damned.
The paper has reached the point of zealotry, that our feelings no longer matter.
Obama makes the front page daily.
Their Clinton "articles" are vacuous hit pieces. Calculated to make Clinton look foolish. Even though she as the popular vote.
Their political team is made up of hacks like Patrick Healey, who eschew journalistic integrity to deceive and manipulate readers.
And Julie Bosman, who writes at the ugliest propaganda level:
"... a supporter gave her a three-foot-long balloon replica of herself, complete with blond hair, black pantsuit and wide pink smile, which Mrs. Clinton promptly took on her plane and laughingly showed off to reporters.
Little more than two weeks later, the doll lay on the sofa by her seat on the plane, shriveled and deflated."
“I don’t really get the point of her carrying on,” said Tim Ledford, 29, a store clerk who had wandered upstairs to catch a glimpse of Mrs. Clinton. “If it’s done, it’s done.”
Today, the NYT war against its readers reached a pinnacle. With an article called "She Just Might Be President Someday."
The illustration features a faceless woman. Because the little dig at Clinton supporters is that that woman will not be Clinton.
Can newspaper that taunts its loyal readership, stay in business?














Comments (49)
I'm sure the sock puppet being paid by Obama to hang out in this blog and post under multiple ids will have plenty of sarcastic comments.
So take it away, fellow.
May 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose that's me you're talking about, and I'm honored by your selective attention. (I should point out that I'm already married, so don't get any crazy ideas.)
I'll probably refrain from posting in your blogs in the future, but to give you the benefit of the doubt that there's at least some sincerity behind what you're posting, I'll point out that the fact that you think that she's ahead in the popular vote suggests that you yourself are in danger of zealotry. (I don't read the NYT myself, so I'll remain perfectly agnostic as to its own bias.) Take an honest look at the metric you're using to come up with the conclusion that she leads the popular vote—I can only imagine it's the one including MI and FL, but excluding the caucus states. If you don't find it zealotry to buy into such a metric, well, I suppose zealots don't usually think they are zealots. At least admit what metric you're using, however.
I considered not posting here, but I suspect that you'd probably claim that I was anyways, and might already be composing a post claiming that obamagirl68 is one of my supposed sock puppets. Speaking of which, one can use sock puppets (I don't, however), but sock puppets are imaginary creatures by definition, so they can't really be the ones hanging out on a blog.
I suspect that I have earned your special scorn because whenever I respond I point out egregious flaws in your argument rather than simply arguing about matters of opinion. I'm can respect differences in opinion, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to call out malarkey when I see it, whether it's pro-Obama malarkey or anti-Obama malarkey.
If you really think Opus et al. are my sock puppets, then you have entered such a dramatic state of denial that it's somewhat depressing to witness. I can only hope that after August 25th, you are able to embrace reality without severe psychological harm.
May 18, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
While I'm certain there is astroturfing going on here at TPM, I wouldn't be able to say who is doing so. Funny. When I read your blog just now, I thought you must be a Clinton astroturfer. Because, I'm a NYer, and I only know a couple of Clinton supporters. And that number gets smaller the longer this primary wages on.
May 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Calculated to make Clinton look foolish."
Sorry, but HRC doesn't need any help doing that! She is the only person I know who laughs hysterically while dodging sniper fire in Florida, threatens to obliterate the entire middle east and openly mocks the laws of math, science and economics.
Besides, the newspaper is sure to have writers and editors on its staff who have lived life outside of the fishbowls of NYC and WV. THEY can see the handwriting on the wall.
May 18, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Talk about a fishbowl.
You forgot to mention handily took down both
Edwards and Obama in the debates subsequent to
the "pile-on."
Her breadth of knowledge and intelligence is so
superior to B.O. that he is afraid to debate
anymore.
When the two are together on a stage, she comes
off as highly qualified, and he comes off as her intern.
May 18, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
After 20+ debates, a person is allowed to decline invitations (please recall that Hillary rejected Barack's NC invitation shortly after he graciously accepted her PA proposal. All the debates do not have to happen on her terms). Also, Hillary did come off better in the PA debate but it wasn't because of her superior knowledge--which somehow everyone has assumed she has--it was because she wasn't the target of a media hit job. What happened in that debate was fair because it happened to Hillary on prior occasions, but when Barack outshined her in those it was for the same reasons--the media hit job. Also in the PA debate, he provided cover for her in a classy manner while she continued to trudge along on the low road to nowhere.
Lastly, there is no reason to debate someone you are no longer in competition with. It is a waste of time and resources.
May 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing snide, its just that you are pushing Clinton's popular vote rhetoric knowing clearly it is false.
You are right, the NYT, and most of the media, has been down on Clinton for a few weeks now. I guess it is a bit of a pendulum swing. She went from being the inevitable nominee to someone who lost despite clear advantages in almost every conceivable aspect of primary politics. Perhaps the NYT is tough on her because it is her hometown paper and it holds her to a higher standard than other outlets. Perhaps the NYT is tough on her because her campaign has done foolish things.
All that being said, it possible that you are sightly out of touch with what new yorkers are thinking and that the NYT is actually in step. I am a New Yorker who moves within NYT readers and I havent heard a single person say anything about Hillary taking an unfair beating in the NYT
May 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think this goes back to a split editorial board when the NYT endorsed Hillary? I think the board endorsement may not have been unanimous, and what we're seeing now is individual editors having their say.
May 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Billy, glad to see you hear. Will you tell specialist that the idea of astral/Opus being a sock puppet of mine is so silly that it makes him look petulant? Maybe he'll listen to you. Of course, maybe he'll claim that you're just another sock puppet of mine.
May 18, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is being a sock puppet anything like being a magic sock? I hope not. I'm surprised that anyone would find my reactionary rants anywhere near comparable to Ben's measured and calm presentation of information. Silliness.
May 18, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Besides, you don't look anything like Ben!
May 18, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
And I'm guessing that Ben doesn't have a devil's head on his underpants, either!
May 18, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, actually…
May 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you were a sock puppet, you'd be named Bent Stocking. Case closed.
May 18, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
There you go, from the ultimate authority! (Er, don't quote me on that later.)
May 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Other people have been running into the idea that they're commenting under different names. I'm not sure what's driving that. I don't pay any attention to it. But then again, I'm always associated with some of the best minds commenting at TPM, while you're being confused with a ribald duck.
May 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Worse being called a monkey. Like I have a tail? Like billions of dollars spent on education and they still can't tell a higher primate from a lower? I try not to take it personal.
May 18, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. But also, nothing short of attacking Bill Moyers would lose readership for the Times in the city. They're going for some part of the Obama demographic across the country. To survive as a serious non-Rupertised paper, they have to patch together a readership from a younger demographic outside New York. Same problem for all media outlets.
May 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, I think Hillary was a "safe" choice at the time (January). The NYT is not a high-risk-taking paper. She's the state senator, after all, and it's not like the endorsement was fawning. Plus, they'd had front row seats for her two senate campaigns. I doubt any meetings about endorsing her came to blows.
The Times also endorsed McCain. Another safe choice, even back in January. They knew Giuliani was going to flame out, especially after he imploded during the senate campaign against Hillary in 2000.
Hillary didn't flame out. She fought a good battle.
May 18, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The NYT put the weight of the "paper of record" behind their hometown senator before super tuesday - when it mattered most
What you see now is their disappointment as well as the voice of individual columnists who are disappointed with the polarizing and negative campaign Sen Clinton had sunk to before the NC/Indiana decisions
What you are seeing is a newspaper who supported Sen Clinton but being realists now accept and know that Sen Obama will be the Democratic nominee and they have their eye on November
This is something all democrats should be doing
Focusing on McCain and a Novemeber victory for Barack Obama
The primary is over and even Sen Clinton knows this - it's time everyone who wants this country to have change and move forward gather together in support of the nest POTUS - Barack Obama
May 18, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno, The NYT has a front page story on how Obama has "defined hisself" with his books.
It wasn't exactly complimentary.
May 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
It could also just be that the NYT sees something you don't, which is they realize the primary is over in all but name.
I wish the media, including TPM, would do more reporting ON the press, and on the machinations of the campaigns.
Such as this one by Dana MilBank at the WaPo.
This is what a former candidate's campaign looks like, behind the scenes.
Take this excerpt:
I love it, too, when the TV or print photogs turn around and document the scrum of reporters at an "event", and show that the only people there, sometimes, are other reports. No real people.
A failure to show the behind the scenes realities is a sign of the press' collaborative instincts, where they go along with the delusions of public officials and keep a horse-race going, when one of the horses is merely being held up by the press.
Of course, the Clinton's are working the refs again this weekend, hammering away at the press for being biased.
Really, folks. This is getting embarassing.
May 18, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The link above should have taken you to:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/13/AR2008051302862.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns
May 18, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortuately, this part and parcel with the inevitable scapegoating and demonization that's emerging among her true-believing zealots as they try to externalize the reasons for her imminent defeat and justify their own continued zealotry. Its all the rage (and I use the word advisedly) over in the Hillosphere--OpenLeft, Taylor's marsh and Hillis44.
The emerging narrative goes like this:
Because Hillary is perfect and wonderful and supremely competent and Obama is evil and corrupt and vacuous, the collapse of her candidacy (which hasn't happened, because she could still win this thing if only she can stop the DNC from DISENFRANCHISING Michigan and Florida) cannot be due to any flaws in Hillary or her campaign, or any merit of Obama or his campaign.
Nein! Nein! It is not to be considered! Instead, this is all the result of a conspiracy between the corrupt power brokers and the corporate media! Hillary vas shtabbed in der back by der media! They've always wanted Obama. They have printed and aired nothing but complimentary stories about Obama (except for Fox, which, we've discovered, is the last outpost of honest journalism in America) and nothing but negative stories about Hillary. How can the poor dumb, ignorant voters possibly have seen through this wall of bias?
It's the media, after all which has failed to dig out and publish all the terrible, terrible things about Obama that we just know must be true. Why, we heard this one guy say that he has THE DIRT on Obama and its every bit as bad as we always feared, and yet the media is SUPPRESSING the TRUTH! The evil, corrupt sexist media has done sexist things like focusing on her Tale of Tuzla Terror. Their slanted coverage made it look like her very meritorious gas tax proposal was just gross, base pandering, what with thier quoting all those so-called "experts. (And Hillary's gax tax proposal is totally, totally different from McCain's gas tax proposal but that's being concealed by the evil, corrupt media.)
And, of course, because we know that Hillary won every single debate, except maybe that one where all those mean men piled on her--which was totally about her gender and not at all about the fact that she was the frontrunner--any perception that Hillary did not win must be because those ideas were IMPLANTED into the brains of the dumb, stupid ignorant voters by those vile people in the media.
And don't try to tell us otherwise because we know all of those so-called people posting pro-Obama comments on blogs are PAID SHILLS of the Obama campaign!
I was always afraid that this derangement would happen if she drug the campaign out long after she should have known it was over--i.e. after Wisconsin. I'm hoping she'll step up try to help some of them out of this.
May 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
You've been reading Hillaryis44.org again, haven't you, NCSteve?
May 19, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you even read the article you reference, "She Just Might Be President Someday"? Because in it they say that the primary is not over, Clinton is still viable, and actually in the end, the suggest--though it's open to interpretation, that she is such a one-of-kind candidate that other women won't be able to hold a candle to her. I didn't see the piece as anti-Hillary but maybe I missed something? And, I'm not sure I would agree that New York is really a "Clinton town." She doesn't represent me and never has.
May 18, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I thought the NYT turned on its readers when they endorsed Hillary.
May 18, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spot on codegen 86! I was disappointed to say the least, especially the early timing of it. But I've never understood why New Yorkers wanted either of the Clintons here.
May 18, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The NYT certainly did turn on most of its staff when it endorsed her. But it is her "hometown" newspaper, and come November, she'll still be the Senator from New York, so I'm guessing that the owners of the NYT have done their best to stay in her favor, 'cause paybacks are a bitch, I hear.
May 18, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
We've put too much emphasis on one particular woman and not enough emphasis on benefit to all women. Mrs. Clinton may not "win" this nomination, but she has served women by running and making such a strong showing. The article pointed this out when it said: "Mrs. Clinton easily cleared the bar with many voters on her ability to be commander in chief, making it easier to see a woman in that role." And that is progress! I thought the article was excellent because it took the focus off of being angry about defeat and started the process of looking forward to other possibilities for victory. There are many impressive women in this country. Obama has demonstrated that a person with character and charisma can come out of no where and garner the support of a nation in a relatively short time. We women sell ourselves short if we think that there is no other woman out there who may be coming into her own in the next four or eight years. America could have had a woman president before now if Ann Richards had been willing to run. It could have had a black president before now if Collin Powell had been willing to run. The democratic party has been willing for both and now we have an opportunity for one or the other, but not both at the same time. One candidate was bound to win and one to lose. That's how politics works. So we join together and we elect the one the voters give us this time. And next time we join together and elect the one who hasn't come on our radar yet---But she will! She will because Hillary Clinton has prepared the way. John the Baptist wasn't Jesus, but he still played the essential role of John the Baptist. Hillary has played the essential role of the one who prepares the way. But don't ever think there won't be another woman who will play the leading role. She's out there. I can feel her. I can almost see her. We're waiting for her. And somewhere, she's out there doing what she needs to do; growing, becoming, gaining experience, waiting to be born into our consciousness. And when she comes, we'll all join together and stand behind her----if we still have a party to join together. If we don't shatter and destroy all that we've built because we have allowed ourselves to be overcome with anger, discouragement and disappointment. I hope that we won't choose to be that small. Why are we so willing to believe that our party will never "for another generation" produce another woman of substance. Of course we will! We already are! We just haven't met her yet!
May 18, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Outstanding points, karela. Hillary has done an enormous service by running so strongly for any number of future female candidates.
I can only hope that you views will become more common.
May 18, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the heck are you talking about? I'm from New York and from personal anecdotes and from what I see in the polls, Obama has as much and increasing favorability ratings in New Yor. He, in fact, is doing very well against McCain.
New York Times- trying to settle scores with Rudy- hastily and prematurely endorsed Hillary and it was after her "White Working Class Americn" interview with USAToday, they finally decided to pull the plug. NYT has been vehemently rooting for her all along.
Don't be a nut
May 18, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously you don't read it. The NYT has never been kind to Hillary.
May 18, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that the NYT is biased. It has been grossly unfair in its negative coverage of the Burma Junta!
Point, set, match.
May 18, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder how HRC's latest tatic is goint to play out when and if she does as promised at supports Obama? Are we seeing an tatic designed to secure a VP slot? Given the number of people that claim they will stay at home or vote McCsin, will t be Hillary the "hero" that can save Obama by runnig as VP. It would give a clear shot in 2016 for sure. I know alot of folks cringe at the thought of HRC as a VP, but one does have to wonder if the is not something to her latest angle?
May 18, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't rule it out, but it should be pointed out that she'll be 69 in November of 2016. Of course, I think that she's sharp enough that she wouldn't seem that old (by comparison to McCain today), but it would make it even harder for her.
Of course, her chances would also depend greatly on both Obama's performance as President as well as her performance as VP. (It might seem unfair that a VP is graded on both of these, but that's just how it is.)
May 18, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
After 4 years of a McCain administration, Hillary will look like a teenager.
May 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I was talking about after 8 years of (relatively) baby-faced Obama, however. ;)
May 18, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know. ;-)
May 19, 2008 3:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Ben "sock puppet". Just kidding. I think realities that HRC has to consider are: 1) She looses the 2008 nomination and comes back in 2012. Yet this is predicated on: 1a) Obama wins and is great, no chance for her. 1b) Obama wins GE but is ineffective. Well there is a chance, for the nomination yes, to win GE perhaps not. 2) Obama wins the nomination, but looses the GE. 2a)she has a shot in 2012, especailly if McCain is ineffective. 2b) McCain wins GE, is 75 in 2012, but is effective and has an up and comer like Bobby Jindal (even if you are progressive, the guy is impressive).
Lot's of possibilities, for sure, yes she will be 69, but in the time perhaps she will learn why so many were troubled by the means in which she campaign, rehabilitate and show us more of her positives and less negatives. If shes the sitting VP like Gore, well she may not win, but if Obama does does job we believe he can, she is a much surer bet.
P.S. I am new hear but have read many of your post and appreciate your clarity. Thank you.
May 18, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It will be interesting to watch the Hillary supporters cut off their nose to spite their face in the coming months. Will they still be crying when McCain stacks the Supreme Court and has Roe v. Wade overturned?
May 18, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Suppose we don't care personally whether Roe v Wade is overturned? You have other arguments, don't you?
May 18, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iraq, the economy, the environment, social security, the deficit, health care...how many do you want?
May 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then why in the hell are you supporting HRC? This is what I don't get. I am not trying to be argumentative, I am actually curious. If you are anti-choice, or indifferent to Roe v. Wade (same thing), then what is it that attracts you to Hillary Clinton? Her environmental policies? They are the same as Obama. Her support for the War and her position on Iran? Same as McCain. Her unflinching support of NAFTA? Same as McCain. Her belief that a military stocked with felons is better than a military stocked with gays? Same as McCain, different than Obama. If your support for HRC has nothing to do with SCOTUS, what is it based on?
It simply can't just be that she's a woman, because part and parcel of that argument is that she will be PRO-WOMAN, which is to say that people who support Hillary are doing because of issues such as reproductive rights and fair pay. So if that is the basis of your support, it makes no sense to say you are indifferent to Roe. You can't be.
So, again, why do you support her over her competitors if it's not because of reproductive rights?
BTW, arguments premised upon the world view that if it doesn't affect you, you just don't give a shit are republican arguments, not progressive ones. Systematic rape and murder in Darfur do not affect you, but do you really not care? The cyclone in Myanmmar does not affect you, but do you not care? Equal rights for minorities and gays may not affect you (I have to qualify that because I know nothing about you), but do they not matter to you? What a weak, selfish position. Reminds me of aging Boomers and their elders who vote against school levies because they already got their publically funded education, so they just don't care about our school system anymore. Greedy, corrupt, immoral. Don't quite understand why you're a Democrat, or if you are not a Democrat, don't understand why you support HRC.
May 18, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I support her because she is competent and the executive branch of government is a complete shambles. I believe Obama is incompetent and will simply be a Progressive version of Bush if he manages to get elected. He won't fix the executive branch because it will take him four years to figure out how it works. In terms of foreign policy, he's a disaster waiting to happen. The international community and the generals will eat him for breakfast. The problem with getting elected is you have to govern, and he's not ready to. As far as the rest of your rant goes, your freedom to choose is not on the same scale as the horror of Darfur. If Roe is overturned, do you think all 50 states will immediately ban abortions? I really doubt it. But if you want to make sure, you should support Hillary instead of getting behind Obama and a new electoral vote strategy that could end up in another narrow loss.
May 18, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the biggest crock of shit I have read from you. I was not comparing Darfur to choice, and you know it. I was saying that your shitty, selfish attitude that you don't care about choice because it doesn't affect you makes you a fucking disgrace to your candidate and a disgrace to your party. By that way of thinking, we would never do anything unless it resulted in some material benefit to us. Crock.of.shit.
And you support HRC for her foreign policy? That's a new one. That is far and away her weakest suit. Obliterating Iran? With what money? With what resources? Joke.
May 19, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Step one might be to take off the tin foil hat before reading the Times. Step two might be to read every political article in the paper, not just the ones you don't like or that your favorite blog links to in outrage. If you can't do that, you might somehow join up with the folks always accusing Greg Sargent of having pro-Clinton bias and have a tin foil hat party.
May 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
specialist,
You're not wearing a tinfoil hat, as Lamont suggests. If you're a Hillary supporter, step one is to stop reading the political coverage in the NYT. For starters, it's not well reported or well written. Either the staff is totally nasty in real life or they are trying to complete with the blogs for snarkiest bitch-slap.
It's not just Patrick Healy, it's self-important hack Adam Nagourney. It's not like Nagourney went to Harvard or anything; he used to work at USA TODAY. Jeff Zeleny and Katharine Q. Seelye might be tolerable sometimes. Michael Luo sucks. Long story short, it's not a stellar staff.
When you combine piss-poor political reporting with the op-ed pages, headlined by Maureen Dowd, Bob Herbert, David Brooks, and Frank Rich, Hillary doesn't stand a chance. Paul Krugman can't unbury her all by himself. Take heart that she does so well in spite of these clowns.
There is a bias against Hillary at the NYT, and has been for a long time (check out Media Matters's archives). The NYT is too busy admiring its own reflection to give a shit what its readers think.
But don't worry about Obama's temperate coverage now. His turn will end. The NYT is total McCain country (except for maybe Rich).
May 18, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think specialist is actually the sock puppet. The Hillary campaign was always good at accusing Obama's campaign of shenanigans that they are actually guilty of themselves.
May 18, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
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