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NOT good Obama Veep choices

Here's my short list of who to not pick for Obama's Vice president.

1. Wesley Clark.  Pluses: white, military, anti-war, foreign policy experience, Hillary ally.  Why not: He's respected, but not widely liked.  While he was supreme allied commander, he's not someone the working-class white high school graduate type has ever related much to.  He adds to an "elitist" image, with a wispy, small, business-owner, book-writer millionaire lifestyle.  And for being a military bigwig, he's awfully effeminate and purty-eyed.  I think he would creep out the more brusque midwesterners, by rousing some "just funny" feelings "about the guy".  Plus, he's short, and Obama's tall.

2. Hillary Clinton.  Pluses: half the Dems like her, instant band-aid, policies in line, dream ticket.  Why not: The fantasy would quickly wear off, and the white house would get mighty crowded.  HRC is not the second-fiddle type.  She's an attention hog, an Alpha Dog.  She would command a vice presidency that would make Dick Cheney blush for lack of subtlety.  She would undermine an Obama policy mandate and often play naysayer role that would impede progress the way Obama would like it done.  To break fully with "the old ways of doing things", Obama best leave her behind.  A lot of true blue Obamanauts would really appreciate that level of political sincerity.  He's got two big handfuls of truth right now, and he best not spoil a good thing. 

I could also see her big money connections conspiring for an Obama coup to put her in charge.  It's not a pretty scenario, but I see Hillary-as-veep as dangerous to Obama as an assassin's bullet.  As an optimist, I think we're beyond actual assassination in this country, and have evolved into the more manageable and subtle world of political assassination – smears, scandals, and undermining.  There are a lot of big special interests Obama may very well be going after, and those interests will find solace in traumatizing, or similarly shattering the hopes of the masses that Obama is working hard to inspire into civic involvement.  The few and powerful keep that power by maintaining an uninformed and dejected citizenry.  The less people paying attention or knowing what's going on, the better for them.  They have backed Hillary in a big way.  A quick fix to make all this hope go away would be to oust Obama and get her in the seat.  With all the love and good feeling going on, we best not forget how fragile this democracy is.  A lot changed after 1963.

3. Ron Paul.  Pluses: anti-war, populist message.  Why not: The pages are totally different, folks.  This is a pipe bomb in pipe dream clothing.  Ron Paul is widely disliked.  He is deeply liked by a very small group of people who are looking for an underground club to be part of.   Libertarianism and progressive liberalism are like distant relatives at a reunion.  The first few minutes, you find some common ground.  Then, halfway into a conversation, you realize how glad you are to live far, far away from this person.  Plus, he's got Racism tattooed all over him for some old, nasty business.  Baggage, people.  Major baggage.

4. Dennis Kucinich.  Pluses:  truthful, progressive, experienced, a champion of good ideas.  Why not: on a surface level, he would add weirdness, and give people more reasons not to vote for the Democratic ticket in the more undereducated states.  He is not widely known, and eccentric.  He would not unite the big tent. However, Kucinich is a great man, and deserves to be a force for maintaining the change Obama could initiate.  That's why I think he would make a top-notch supreme court justice, and I hereby put that out there in the good old blogosphere.

Well, there's my short list.  Next time I have insomnia, I'll write up my GOOD choices.  Thanks for reading.



Comments (137)

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anybody who recommends Kucinich for the Supreme Court has destroyed all their credibility.

Why? His has been the lone voice of constitutional imperative in the House. He has had the only unwavering commitment to justice in his legislation efforts. I think he would be better as Speaker than a Supreme Court Justice, but we could do (and have done and are currently doing) much worse than Dennis in that job.

I'm not aware of Kucinich's judicial bona fides or lack thereof (although you're right that he does fight for the Constitution in his role as a Congress-critter, he would also need some serious legal chops before I'd be comfortable with him being on the SCOTUS), but I do think that he could make an excellent addition to Obama's cabinet.

That said, I suspect he wouldn't be willing to give up his Congressional seat for that.

I agree, kind of. I keep thinking back to every SCOTUS decision over the last 100 years and they have been very unconstitutional to a large degree. They get them right occasionally, but for the most part I find the Supreme Court to be a tool of American corporations.

If that many "qualified" judges can get it so wrong for so long, why not have someone who is more beholden to the actual Constitution give it a try? He could hardly do worse.

And, there's nothing that says that a Supreme Court justice has to be a judge or have a legal background at all. Lately, presidents have used the federal courts as a sort of farm system but it wasn't always so.

True, but personally I want a Supreme Court Justice to have some judicial experience.

Chuck Hagel: Coming to his senses about the misguided war in Iraq DOES NOT make him a good choice. (I'm pretty sure I agree with him on two issues and thats about it.) He is a staunch conservative and I don't want him that close to the presidency.

Bill Richardson: He's got plenty of street cred in foreign affairs but Obama's has said he feels like foreigh policy is his strong area. Plus Bill's rumored "womanizing" has legs. Besides HRC is probably going to make one of her exit conditions a say in the VP slot.

Hillary Clinton: Massive waste of her talents. She would make a great addition to the Democratic leadership team in the Senate and may eventually be the Majority leader. She's just coming into her own in the Senate. It would be a loss to the progressive agenda to put her on the ticket.

Actually I am opposed to putting any sitting Senator on the ticket with SENATOR Obama. Just plain dumb. We need every Democrat and every ounce of Seniority to continue on with the progressive agenda.

He is a staunch conservative and I don't want him that close to the presidency.

Absolutely. Unlike The Robots, I'm not at all convinced that we've moved into some "post-assassination" period. I genuinely fear for Obama's life, and although I'm certain that the Secret Service are doing their job to the best of their ability, we need to make sure that the second-in-command is someone that we'd genuinely be satisfied as having as President. I don't think they'll be successful, but I think it's almost a foregone conclusion that someone will make an attempt on Obama's life at some point. I really hate saying this, and try not to say it very often, but when people float unsavory choices for VP I think it occasionally needs to be pointed out.

So he has to pull a Bush and have a VP that would be more unpalatable to his potential enemies. Of course he also needs to get elected so Obama/Nader or Obama/Sharpton will not work.

Always the concern troll.

:P

This brings me to something I was thinking about:

How would you guys feel if Obama(of course it wont happen, but I can dream) decided to snuff his secret service detail and hand pick them? I think its necessary, personally.

Also, How do you all feel about the current status of the Secret Service? I mean, how technologically savvy are they? How in the "know" are they?

I am extremely fearful that they have snipers covered but no one is thinking of a "bomb". Either US Terrorism, or Foreign?

This brings me to a further note but I will see if their is a place for it, aside from here.

They are the best of the best. Not just anyone gets to guard the president of the USA. Bush is still alive if that gives you any indication.

Other bumpr stickers we don't want to see:
- Obama-Cheney '08
- Obama-Spears '08
- Obama-Spitzer '08
- Obama-Obama Girl '08
- Obama-Helms '08

Really? What do you have against Obama Girl as VP?

She has a pastor problem...

Uhh, when it comes to ObamaGirl, I wouldn't drive "pastor."

Actually, I wouldn't mind an "Obama/Spitzer" bumper sticker, for posterity.

Spitzer is on the list. In fact, he's on several lists. The FBI is going through them right now. At least he's been vetted.

By that standard John Gotti has been vetted.

I'd rather have the unity ticket bumper sticker of:
Craig-Spitzer '08
or
Foley-Spitzer '08
or
Vitter-Spitzer '08

Sinbad?

How about Obama-Osama?

Just kidding.

How about Sam Nunn?

Obama Girl would help us capture the male vote.

NASCAR Dads!

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One TO consider .... Joe Biden

Pluses: foreign policy expertise, knowledge of legislative process, 'associated'/friendly with Clinton even though he didn't endorse anyone, would be good in VP 'attack' role, fully capable of serving if there should ever be a need, NOT a greedy power-hungry politician (least net worth of any of the candidates), intelligent enough to really work *with* Obama, sense of humor (saving grace of any position), and the most photogenic poster you can ever imagine!

Minus: removing him from the Senate (but that might happen anyway - Secy of State, etc.)

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Biden has some other minuses, too:

- Not especially appealing for crossovers
- Not a lot of national name recognition
- Not from a swing state
- Has some race history that isn't good

I know a number of Republicans that like Joe Biden.

Of course, they live in Alaska where they like 'em a little on the crazy side. But seriously, some Republicans like him because he says what he is thinking and their impression is that Democrats, in general, are too calculating and engage in too much double speak.

Dick Cheney

Good bad choice. He's already proved how effective a vice-president can be.

Only if he allows the de-pixellation of the VP's residence on Google Earth.

That's going to be a huge issue in the general election.

Exactly! We want to see what he's been hiding; tennis court, soccer field, trailer park, graveyard of enemies.

Two words: dead puppies.

4 letters: WMDs

Or how about this:
Neverland Ranch East.

Dick Cheney in Neverland Ranch...

eewwww!

Who knew that the prune-y, short, bald, green guy is a corrupter of minds.


I'm just using an old jedi mind trick.

So gross!!!

Don't forget that huge safe he has in his office. When he leaves, will they be able to carry it out with him?

Kathleen Sebelius. She's agovernor of a Midwest state, so we won't lose a Senate seat. She would attract the female, and the blue collar votes.

Obama-Sebelius? - expi ali docious

Is that good or bad?

Good!

Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious.

Obama/Sebelius sounds like a syndrome.

Why not choose Gov. Luis Fortuno from Puerto Rico? The campaign music would be great.

Obama-Fortuno
velut luna
statu variabilis

The latin vote is going to be crucial.

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I've always thought Gov. Sebelius would be great, but it just occurred to me that Bill Richardson is better in that he is more vetted.

While Richardson is a helluva charming guy with a good resume, anyone who saw Tim Russert devour him on Meet The Press would have to agree that he'd make a bad VP choice.

Richardson is certainly trying to polish up his resume for something with his recent attempt to offer his services to mediate the hostage standoff in Columbia. But that looks more like a lunge at Sec State than a VP seat.

Personally I think Sebelius would be perfect as a running mate and to step up to the Oval Office if needed. She has strong appeal for Republicans looking for an exit from their father's party.

I commend you for some really bad choices. Some items you neglected to mention: in addition to being a bad choice, Wesley Clark has been a strong supporter of Hillary. In addition to the many problems with a Hillary selection detailed by Josh Marshall (it makes no sense for either of them, actually), there is the frightening prospect of allowing Bill back in to the White House. Ron Paul is a certified wingnut whose opposition to the war originates in a pure isolationist worldview that is of a piece with his belief that the income tax is unconstitutional and should be abolished. Someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but for all the appeal of some of his policies, has Kucinich ever mustered more than 5% in a primary?

How bout Oprah?

In the line of stupid VP choices, Oprah fits, but she has ran so far and fast from Obama that she likely even changed telephone numbers to avoid his calls.

This is a rediculous list but does illustrate the apparent out-of-touch nature of the Dear Leader's followers. First, anyone picking Paul or Kucinich are guaranteeing a BIG LOSS in the fall. This is beyond stupid. Clark, as you note, is not well liked and is on the fringe of retired military. Finally, aside from current commentary, Clinton would seal her fate to join a losing Obama ticket. He loses in the fall with or without her. She's best to suck it up and help campaign but otherwise stay away from the Obama train wreck. Afterward in 2009 she and other mainstream, moderate, and not so extreme liberal members of the party can pick up the pieces and start working on 2012.

Now seriously, you couldn't think of anyone beyond Paul and Kucinich for Obama VP?!

We're attacking Obama from the right now? I can never keep track.

MW, a number of your fellow Clinton supporters have been showing remarkable class lately in committing themselves to win back the White House with Obama as the nomininee. (I daresay more class than the gloating Obama supporters.)

How about you? Now is your moment. You can choose to outclass your critics and commit yourself to helping us get a Democrat into the White House, or you can continue to spit venom and wallow in spite.

I don't even know who you are anymore. (that was totally sincere, heartfelt, and snark-free).

I'm Genghis

I didn't even read closely enough to realize that weaver got the post backward. I probably would have snarked him. But I dunno, it's no fun to snark weaver b/c he doesn't even seem to know when he's getting snarked. I feel bad for him in a way. This is a guy who obviously cares about progressive issues, he's got these new babies, and all he can do is write robotic, spiteful screeds against Obama.

Somebody said they thought that was a security camera pic.

I haven't been here long enough to know... is this sarcasm or did you really not see the all-caps first word of the story title?

This is a pipe bomb in pipe dream clothing.

Great line! Did you make that up? Love it.

Hate to say it, but the country has to swallow one man of color already. Two would cause full blown heart attack. I like him as Sec of State, though.

but the country has to swallow one man of color already.


um, is that how the country sees it...?

Oy.

Ask Hillary

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I second your nomination of Kucinich as a supreme court justice. This country is badly in need of a liberal on the supreme court, it's so right-wing right now, it's scary.

We will never in our lifetime see a Supreme Court Justice who believes in UFOs. Ain't gonna happen. Anyway, is Kucinich even a lawyer?

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Please do me a favor: stop with the "assassin's bullet" conspiracy metaphors and memes. We really don't need to keep raising red flags in the blogosphere that somehow Obama, being a popular choice and a harbinger of new politics is automatically a target for an assassin. Come on now!

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Please do me a favor: stop with the "assassin's bullet" conspiracy metaphors and memes. We really don't need to keep raising red flags in the blogosphere that somehow Obama, being a popular choice and a harbinger of new politics is automatically a target for an assassin. Come on now!

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yikes, sorry for the dupe - the system gave me a "failed" message which is why I resubmitted.

I wonder if Janet Napolitano could bring Arizona with her? Might be a stretch.

Definite stretch. I've lived out there. It's not Obama country (probably why I left...)... :(

ASU myself. Gone 35 years now. Goddamn desert!

PistonMoaned: Nice. I liked the desert, but not the job market or the constant long distance driving and lack of first run movies, etc.....

Bold Prediction: The pick will be a 50-60 y.o. white male ret. military General or Admiral, possibly former Republican with a gravely voice, the sense of humor of Jeff Foxworthy, the debating gravitas of Dick Cheney, and the unquestionable patriotism of "American Dad" or Jack Bauer.

Obama is revolutionary enough. He needs a solid rock on which to plant his flag of change, bipartisanship, and hope & inspiration.

But can we really afford to lose Webb in the Senate to make VP?

Someone floated Admiral Fallon yesterday. I love the idea if he'd go for it. Intense pick, given his falling out with the Administration recently...

Again, it disturbs me that the way you select a nominee is the same method that Hollywood producers use to cast movies. As the Simpsons said "have you considered Dave Chapelle?"

littleblackpropaganda: I don't get the Simpson's line... Can ya shoot me a link?

OBAMA / IRONMAN 2008!! :)

As far as picking the VP goes, my descriptions are for fun, but it shows the gist of what I think Barack needs.

GRAVITAS.

MILITARY.

STABLE / REASSURING.

Obama's weak points are 1) he's "Too Exotic", 2) supposedly "Anti-American", and 3) "too inexperienced / Empty Suit."

He needs to combat this with a strong, strong VP. Apple Pie eater with an ability to Stop the fake FoxNews attacks with a stern "Grow Up. We have work to do. Lead, follow or get out of the way, the Democrats are taking over." I hate Cheney, but he mopped up in all his debates against Liebs and Edwards. Even though he was lying, he had stern gravitas.

This election is about 1) Iraq, and correcting the 2) serious policy blunders. He can't pick a VP for a narrow swing-state or a special-interest vote grab.

Foreign policy and grave-seriousness trumps all. I believe the electorate feels that the troops' lives depend on it.

OBAMA / IRONMAN 2008!!

Bring 'em Home! (Having a serious military VP offers the best chance of Bringing Them Home ASAP.)

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"Obama/Kucinich, Obama/Paul, Obama is revolutionary" These are statements read on this thread.

I support Obama, but, I don't believe that anyone gets this far without being beholden.
Why can't Kucinich and Paul can't break the 5% mark? The answer is, because they ARE revolutionary. If Obama did not receive 'special interest' approval, he would not be were he is.


Obama/Siddhartha '08
Obama/Feinstein '08
Obama/Boxer '08
Obama/Huffington '08

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That's a NOT for VEEP...
Well, maybe Siddhartha.

I know we're thinking up bad choices, but here's a good one. Rama Yade, currently the French State Secretary in charge of foreign affairs and human rights. We could actually have an Obama-Rama bumper sticker. Plus, she's really good looking. And the French connection is sure to rile conservatives. Go Obama-Rama.

Obama-Rama!

I also heard that "Bob Loblaw" wants an "Obama-Nomination". :)

That took a minute!

Those are the best!

Bonus points: using "the French connection" in a sentence. Carry on.

Scandal, existing or potential: Clinton, Richardson

Guilt by Association: Rendell (Farrakhan video), Liebermann, Cheney

Not Qualified Be President on Day Two: Kaine, McCaskill, Boxer, &c

Turns off Women: Hagel, Webb

Already Tired of: Clark, Biden, Edwards

Not Tall Enough: Kucinich, McCain

Too Good to Be True: Pelosi, Gore

Just right: Obama-FlyOnTneWall '08

Who says Webb scares off women? He got the women's vote in VA when he won, hands down. He kicked ass in his Democratic response to the State of the Union a few years ago, too... better than Sebelius did in the same role this year, though she did reasonably well. Webb's about the only senator I'd be okay with Obama choosing, mostly because of Webb's background prior to hitting Capitol Hill. Otherwise, a fellow senator should be strictly off limits -- that way lie disaster.

Sebelius is interesting... brings Kansas (but then so could Barack, if Kansas is at all gettable), she's from Ohio so she might bring the Buckeye state too. Strong political family. Sebelius, Napolitano, and Gregoire -- their names will be bandied about, but they won't get it.

I voted for Webb in 2006. He's my favorite as well. He had some troubles with accepting women in the military some time ago, wrote some sarcastic stuff, and this was actually brought up in his Senatorial election.


Yeah, I remember that. But as I recall, it was handled rather well by military women who served with him. And demonstrated that Webb's comments, decades old, didn't make him much different from most military men of the time who were forced to deal with Title VII and Title IX, whether they liked it or not. The women didn't excuse his comments, but showed his evolution. It satisfied me, anyway.

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Judging from a lot of the posts on this site there is still quite a bit of bitterness on the part of Obama supporters. Given the fact that he is apparently going to be the nominee that suggests a very divided party. One would expect Hillary supporters to be bitter. Therefore that is a very big reason to have Hillary on the ticket. I'm one of those Hillary supporters who will vote for Obama even if Jeremiah Wright suddenly announces that Obama was wearing panties and a bra at his baptism. But I have no illusions about many voters - not after Bush won twice. I can understand how many Democrats will not vote for Obama, even if his supporters can not fathom it. Add to that all the stuff that is going to come out during the Fall. The ticket needs Hillary. There's going to be major ugliness in this campaign, and we will need all the support we can muster.

I'm definitely not opposed to Obama/Clinton.

But I think the ticket really just needs Hillary to PLAY NICE and give many, many conciliatory speeches praising Barack Obama. I don't think it needs to be Obama/Clinton. [I have serious doubts whether she can do this, however... It would make me so proud if she did. But I'm not feelin' it.]

Yes siree! Thank you - this is what I've been trying to say. No one will unify this country and this party more than Hillary freakin Clinton!

I mean throw out the fact that she's race baited, she has negative ratings through the roof, public polling says that people think she's dishonest and untrustworthy...and the right wing would raise hundreds of millions of dollars if she's on the ticket.

Clinton-Obama '08!!
(oops I mean Obama-Clinton '08)

No one will unify this country and this party more than Hillary freakin Clinton!

Which party was that?

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I think any Senator would be bad. We need votes in the Senate. And two senators = too "senatorial"

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Also the suggestion that Obama will be better able to break with the "old ways of doing politics" without Hillary is naive. That was a campaign slogan. Many continue to cling to it, overlooking all the negativity on the part of Obama during the campaign, while he somehow managed to maintain the aura of being above it all, at least until Pennsylvania when it became too obvious that he used negative attacks. It was a campaign slogan. He will use it as he runs against McCain, again painting himself as the victim of vicious attacks. He will again spin that his attacks against McCain are only responses. But he will be equally negative.

And more importantly, if he somehow manages to get to Washington, he will again discover that he has to play the old game. That's when Hillary will be a help.

Yes! That's what I'm talking about!

Obama's hope and optimism will be crushed and he will need a bitter, jaded, realistic, connected, old school, white, women, working class, former first lady to help him answer the phone at 3am!!

Hillary for VP or some other totally awesome position in the totally sucky Obama administration!!

No We Can't!
No We Can't!
No We Can't!
No We Can't!

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Choosing Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell would send a big olive branch to the Clinton half of the party, and would lock down at least one necessary state for Obama.

Yes, Rendell doesn't exactly embody "new politics". But in the highly contentious run-up to the PA primary, Rendell managed to be a highly effective Clinton su