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N.O.P.E. (Not One Penny, Ever)
Top ten reasons I want none of my donation to the Obama
campaign to be used to pay off the Clinton campaign debts:
10. "He's not a Muslim, as far as I know."
9. "Shame on you, Barack Obama!"
8. "That's not change you can believe in; that's change you can
Xerox."
7. "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina, too."
6. "The Michigan vote should count."
5. "Obama has said he really liked the ideas of the Republicans over
the last 10 to 15 years."
4. "I've crossed the commander-in-chief threshold. Certainly,
Sen. McCain has done that. You'll have
to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy."
3. "I have received more
votes by the people who have
voted than anyone else.”
2. “Sen. Obama's
support among hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening."
1. Mark Penn.













Comments (41)
Thankfully, he can't actually pay off any of the debts from his coffers to campaign finance laws, but he can ask his donors to send money her way, or they can co-host a fund-raiser with her and split the haul.
Don't worry, none of the cash you or I or anyone has donated up to date will go to Clinton's campaign.
May 10, 2008 3:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Would you explain that a bit further?
May 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Basically, he couldn't give her money, except standard campaign donations on a personal level. He could throw fundraisers with her to generate money to pay off her bills. There was an article at huffpo about it. So no money given to him will ever go to help her current debt.
May 10, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. (I am relieved.)
May 10, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right!
I'm perfectly fine with Obama co-hosting Hollywood fundraisers where Harvey Weinstein can pay off Clinton's debt and eat humble pie.
May 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh...oh....much as I wish we could put this all behind us....
RIGHT ON for pointing out why the Clintons won't let us.
May 10, 2008 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Instead of "Corporate Welfare", we have "Clinton Welfare". And I'm not happy about it. The hammer they're using seems to be that they'll keep up with the race talk if they don't get their 20 million back.
May 10, 2008 6:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. This possibility is a good way for Obama to dry up his OWN contribution stream.
May 10, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR HILLARY!
SHE'S HILLUSSIONAL!
May 10, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Love it!
Did you coin this term?
Own it, quickly...
May 10, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummmm, I disagree. I think he could help her, and should. Not with his own campaign cash, which, thanks to the explanation given by the posters above, he wouldn't be able to use. But with fundraisers.
Why?
Why should the vendors who Clinton employed by screwed because she ran a losing campaign? Sure, I'm tired of this, too, but I just don't see why small businesses (and larger ones, too) should be made to bear the consequences of the mistakes Clinton made.
May 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on, CT Voter. The Clinton campaign has a lot of debt, sure, but a lot of that is outstanding to caterers and venues.
On top of that, though, I think the Clinton campaign has demonstrated a significant level of support among a subset of registered Democrats. Unlike the Obama base, the danger isn't "vote for the Democrat or stay home." The danger is "vote for the Democrat or the Republican."
I couldn't speculate as to how the Clintons or their surrogates would play it if the Obama campaign left them high and dry. I can say, in terms of risk management, it's beneficial not to tempt a powerful adversary with a history of petty jibes and underhanded attacks.
May 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're right that the businesses shouldn't have to suffer, and it's an important point to make. On the other hand, remember that the Hillary Clinton Campaign owes $11 million to Hillary herself---which means many of these vendors will be paid and she would be the one owed money. This sounds mean-spirited, I know, but it's not too bad. Hillary will make that money and much more in speaking engagements and in Bill-Clinton-like mysterious undisclosed deals over the next 5, 10 years.
May 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe next time they will not be so quick to give credit to the delusional.
May 10, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The moment Obama gives any money to Clinton is the moment I cease to be an Obama supporter. Further, I will ask his campaign to return to me the money I donated, and I will ask his campaign to pay me for the 100 hours of volunteer work I did.
And if he gives her one dollar I will stay home on election day.
May 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come on. The question should be what Obama supporters get for our money, if we help Clinton retire her debt. If she agrees to drop out immediately and to tell her supporters to support Obama enthusiastically, I'm willing to pony up a few bucks to buy her off.
May 10, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm fine as long as Obama doesn't send any of MY money to the Clintons. I've supported him not because he is anti-Clinton, but because I think he'd be an excellent leader and can mend some of our country's divides. If he decides to put some of his energy to include healing the divide b/t Clinton and Obama supporters, I trust him--as my chosen leader--to make that choice.
To me, there's a difference between saying "he mustn't use MY money" and "he musn't make nice even if it has nothing to do with my money."
May 10, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Obama's responsibility is not to Hillary Clinton or her unfortunate vendors, certainly not to multimillionaire himself Mark Penn, or even to a Democratic Party, which has left him to find his own way to the nomination for the most part. How many state Democratic machines, like Rendell's here in my state of PA, went full speed for Hillary? Just as Senator Obama refused to pay street money in Philadelphia and used his own volunteers to get out the vote, he should promise all of us who have worked for him in their respective states that he is again not going to play the old Democratic politics of "pay-off" for support. His candidacy has not succumbed to such disappointing tactics throughout this long hard fight. Why would he want to compromise his principles now? He does not need Hillary on the ticket, nor does he need to pay her off in order to beat John McCain, and he certainly doesn't need to do that to maintain the "high" road he has driven so far. This is a new day in political history; let's not forget it.
May 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm willing to give up my nonexistent first born child right now if that'll make her go away.
May 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shhhhh! Don't let her hear that!.
May 11, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Grow up. You won. If you want to win again in November, grow up and let it go.
May 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton's are multi millionaires 100 times over.
It is elitist and juvenile for them to expect other people to pay their debts.
Clinton spent millions of dollars trying to destroy Obama. Why should that behavior be rewarded?
Furthermore, she has the arrogance to further campaign when there's no way in hell she can win?
Clinton is done and needs to bounce. If she makes threats on her way out the door, Obama send her packing. "Let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!"
If Hillary's base starts acting up, all Obama has to say to white women is "Look white women, if you like Roe V Wade, and you know whats good for you, you better vote for me. Because it's history if John McCain gets in. HISTORY!"
Obama should say to white racists, "White racists, this country was been run for the last several decades by smiling white folks just like you, who did not hesitate to ship millions of YOUR jobs overseas when it served their immediate interests. So if you want a job, you better vote for this Black dude. Because McCain is not giving out any jobs. Believe that shit."
May 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh, if only politicians would really talk like that.
head of state was such a great movie.
May 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like a lot of emotion in the posts above. IMO, the overriding goal should be to elect Senator Barak Obama to be the next President of the United States. His election would be a magnificent event for this country, in many, many ways. I think he should do just about whatever it takes to win the November election, even if it involves some mildly distasteful (and expensive) mollification of the Clintons.
May 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, who's to say that there's any mollification of the all-powerful Clinton's necessary to bring Obama to the White House? I think that's a lot of noise, generated by Hillary and her people. It's BS. Obama doesn't need her blessing to proceed to the White House. She's done. Obama should wish her well graciously and move on with his mission to win the White House. Period. This chapter of history is done.
May 10, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure Mark Penn can absorb his cost...He did such a poor job, so he really does not need to be paid...
The other point is that Clinton made the choice to use her own money to keep the fight, so again she doesn't need be paid on the money she advanced to herself...
So I am wondering, if Clinton does not win the nomination, what can she do with the 30 Millions currently in her bank that she can not use in the primary?
May 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me, people.......
The CLintons are worth 3 or 4 times the $25 million she owes.
Why is this even being DISCUSSED????????
Let them pay their own bills - just like the rest of us do.
May 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's being discussed because Thomas Edsall at the Huffington Post decided to make up a story out of whole cloth in order to sabotage Obama's fundraising. There's NOTHING WHATSOEVER to the story. It's a lie. It's a damn lie. And it's a goddamn lie. Just ignore it. There is NO WAY Obama could legally give her the money.
May 10, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if Obama helps her with any fundraising efforts, her big money supporters had damn well better be ponying up cash to HIS campaign in exchange. All those assholes who threatened Pelosi had better be opening their checkbooks wide.
May 10, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would be very wary about cutting a deal with Hillary Clinton in regards to her campaign debts. Thankfully, any money that has been donated to the Obama campaign can not be used to pay for her debt. I also don't feel Obama has to feel responsible to pay. But I would like to float the idea of a "Donor's Choice" type site where all debts are listed and to whom. IF...IF someone wanted to donate money against those debts they could. I think this is at least a gesture on the part of Obama but does not obligate anyone to pay. I sure wouldn't be donating to see Mark Penn get paid. Just an idea.
May 10, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Donations were given to the Obama campaign to help him win the nomination, and the general election. The donors do not get to micro manage how his campaign decides how to get the best bang for their buck.
If the Obama campaign thinks that spending some of the donations on a way to get Hillary and her supporters on board for the general election, would be a better investment, than just an overkill of TV spots, then let them make that decision. They are the experts, and have run a terrific campaign, so why should a bunch of small amount donors, now feel that they are entitled to substitute their amateur campaign skills and judgment, for those of the Obama professionals who have already proven their worth.
If you think that you are entitled to call the shots on how your donations will be spend, you are being self centered and ego-centric. If you donate to cancer research, do you also demand that you be allowed to control how the research projects are conducted.
We get to fund his campaign. We do not buy the right to run it.
May 10, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beautiful point! Obama's campaign has been brilliant. The true beauty is that they have outwitted the smartest political couple of our generation, the Clintons, who unbelievably never sat down and carefully analyzed the Democratic delegate selection process. Obama's team totally blindsided them by using their enormous grass roots support to win many unlikely states, and win big, like in Idaho (Obama 80%, Clinton 17%), places that were off the Clintons' radar. Suddenly the Clintons woke up and found their delegate count was in the hole, with no way out.
If Obama and his team calculate that paying Hillary's debt is a smart move, count on it's being, in fact, a smart move, imo.
May 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
May 11, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stop worrying about it. This whole stupid story was invented by Thomas Edsall. There is no legal way for the Obama campaign to transfer your donations to the Clintons. Stop worrying about it.
May 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say that on principle the idea of paying off her campaign is not good for me. However, much as I hate to admit it...she has had a tremendous amount of support. Whether this is because of name recognition and warm fuzzies from her husband's stint (my theory) or what - doesn't matter. What does matter is that out of all the delegates possible (not including Mi, Fl) Obama's lead is around 4% or 5% (I think that's right). Not exactly a landslide. So in that respect, maybe there should be some acknowledgment that we dems are still a pretty diverse group and we should try to remember that we can pick this particular battle and how it ends up. We don't have that luxury against the repubs in the general election.
May 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know why all the Obama supporters here are getting their panties in a bunch. All I heard from his one reply to a reporter was that "we will help her feel comfortable in her campaign". That does not mean he is going to throw good money after bad.
Given the brilliant way he has played this game thus far, do you all honestly believe that he didn't have a long-range plan for this contingency too ? Grow up and don't play the "not my money" kiddies game anymore. No points to win playing meanie from the victor pedestal.
May 11, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I wrote a post dealing with a very similar topic a few days ago. And after reflecting on the whole "not my money" angle, I quickly realized that the money I had donated to Obama has probably long-since been used on TV ads in past primary states.
With that said however, my main issue is that Hillary Clinton should not be rewarded for her ugly campaign. Especially not with her being a millionaire 100 times over.
That being said, I do hope that if Obama chooses to offer Hillary some "relief" that he does it in a way that allows his supporters the CHOICE of assisting with that or not.
I, for one, would not give Hillary Clinton anything. Perhaps my used toilet paper, but not much else.
However, the biggest issue for Barack Obama is taking the White House. So of course he doesn't want a half-cocked, Bi-polar, ego-crushed, vindictive monster like Hillary Clinton running amuck trying to sabotage and derail his campaign.
Maybe he should offer Hillary contact info for a good psychiatrist instead. That might go a longer way towards advancing true healing than a coupla' million dollars.
May 11, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think all of the general election campaign contributions have to be returned if she doesn't make it to the general.
May 11, 2008 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The bottom line is this has been a very close race and she has a lot of support, which gives her leverage. We must get as many of those voters as possible. There is a lot of division and hard feelings. Who caused that or started it is irrelevant, the point is that it must be healed. It's not unusual for the winner to give some help to the loser in such circumstances.
He can't give a direct contribution so he wouldn't be using his current campaign money. He could have a joint fundraiser though. This could only be a good thing. It would show his desire to help and it would allow her supporters to donate to his campaign knowing half would go to her to help pay her debts. It would get him new donors.
He can also use his donor list to make a request on behalf of her, which would allow anyone to choose to contribute to that or not to. So it woud be their choice. None of it would be bad. So I second the "don't get your panties in a bunch" comment.
May 11, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
no need to even help her recoup her debts. she has whining weinstein, bob bimbo johnson of bet, and others whose media crap we don't need to support. shake a few dollahz outta that viacom joke, hil.
May 11, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
To say that I've lost respect for Clinton after this whole thing is something of an understatement. Like many of us, I now cringe when I simply see her open her mouth. That said, if Obama thinks that it's a good strategic move to ask his donors like me to give her some money, I will donate to her in a heartbeat. November is all that matters. We now need her 100% on our team, and it's pretty obvious that she will be a strong asset to his campaign. And I'd CERTAINLY prefer to send her campaign a few hundred bucks rather than see her make a stink about deserving VP.
May 11, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
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