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My theory vis-a-vis the current full throttle Clinton campaign

I have a theory.  I am no genius and have no special connections to either campaign or the DNC, so my theory is nothing more than my own interpretation of the same data available to all of us.  In other words, if it seems implausible to you, please do not think "on the other hand, he might know something that I do not."  I assure you, I know nothing more than you do, whoever you are.

I am, however, perplexed by the sight of a high-level Clinton surrogate floating a trial balloon concerning a unity ticket at a time when 1) Sen Clinton is obviously in such a weak state that such an overture cannot be understood as an invitation to a Clinton/Obama ticket and 2) Clinton is simultaneously still making arguments suggesting that she plans to beat Obama.  This is a strange and paradoxical state of affairs.  One does not ordinarily bid for the VP's slot by attacking the candidate with whom one hopes to run, and yet McAuliffe's "what a great idea" can hardly be seen as anything but a bid for just that.  What is going on?

Here is my theory: Clinton wants to be president.  This is hardly a shocking insight.  If she did not want to be president, she would not have run.  She is faced with a real difficulty in attaining that goal, however, by this point.  It is clear that she will not win the nomination in 2008, and it equally clear that she would fare no better as a 3rd party candidate than any other 3rd party candidate has ever fared.  As such, she has no realistic path left to the presidency in 2008.

2016, however, is a long ways off.  Countless precedents have shown that her odds would be long if she were to wait those eight years (remember Dick Gephardt?).  Far better if she could make another go of it in 2012.  Much talk has been given to the idea that she is running so as to weaken him enough to ensure his loss this time around, so that she might run against McCain in 2012, but this is rather problematic.  She would alienate a lot of people whose support she would need by adopting that strategy (even more than she already has), thus weakening, not strengthening, her present position.

What if, however, she could create a situation now which would ensure that Obama would have to choose her as his running mate.  If she could plant enough fears of a party schism in the minds of the remaining super delegates such that they would precondition their support of him on his taking her as his VP.  Because he would need her, instead of merely wanting her, she would be in a strong bargaining position.  She could use this position to insist on concessions from him.  The more dire the prospects, the more strongly the supers would insist and thus the more drastic the concessions she could extract - up to and including the concession that he agree only to run for the one term and then cede the way to her in 2012 and promise to campaign on her behalf.  This is the end-game which explains the paradoxical mix of full-throttle campaigning for the top of the ticket and overtures for the bottom position.

Why do I write this?  Well, for what else does the internet exist except to document the random musings of every nitwit's idle mind and (if lucky) engage feedback on the same.  So, what do you think?  Does this theory seem a plausible hypothesis to account for the observed data which we have at hand?  If you do find it plausible, does it fill you with admiration, or foreboding, or any other particular response?  I am interested to read what others think.


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What if, however, she could create a situation now which would ensure that Obama would have to choose her as his running mate. If she could plant enough fears of a party schism in the minds of the remaining super delegates such that they would precondition their support of him on his taking her as his VP.

The problem with your suggestion is that it assume the unpledged (super) delegates at susceptible to such.

The unpledged delegate are almost all seasoned politicos, either of national electoral politics or state democratic party politics. They have a far better understanding of what the Clinton campaign is up to then do pundits. Particularly since representatives of both campaigns are talking on the telephone daily with the unpledged delegates.

Clinton would make a great Supreme Court justice.

I would like to introduce a distinction into this conversation. Let us distinguish between the question "is Greg's theory an accurate description of Clinton's current strategy?" and the question "would this strategy be at all likely to work?". It seems to me that your objection is really a response to the second question, not to my theory. To say that such an approach is unlikely to bear fruit is not really the same thing as to say that it is therefore not the strategy at work. However unlikely the chances of success of such an approach, so long as they are better than the chances of success of attempting to win in 2008, it is still more rational to posit that this is the explanation for her continued hard-fighting than many or most of the alternatives.

My view is that bill and hill have made so many promises, so much money has changed hands to his foundation etc., and she's worked so hard to put herself in position to run... that it's hard to let go of the chance to have the fingers on the levers of power, the hands in the honey pots!

It is because of all the dangers for conflict of interest that I am completely opposed to hillary being on the ticket. There is simply too much past evidence of how this couple has "used" a position of power to get money and more power - in a cyclical fashion. Conflicts of interest abound. And I believe it would be very unwise of Barack Obama to become ensnared in that potential set of scandals - past and present.

Next, think about this. bill is already referred to as "Mr. President." Picture a White House with two individuals regularly being addressed as "Mr. President." Once you think about that for a while, you're gonna see all the problems.

hillary has not earned a "right" to be on the ticket. A president must be free to put his own people into positions of trust. The public needs to trust his judgment. Not his capitulation. This is the first big decision a president makes. And it takes the measure of the man.

Finally, Barack is a compromiser. We know that. Some fear he'll compromise and take hillary. I am convinced that he knows - because he has told us so - that this campaign is about "us." We The People! And if there is any compromising to be done here, it should be done with us! And "US" seem pretty opposed to his taking on "that woman."

Barack, if you're listening. I've tried my best to write sense here. I think it's good advice! I hope you take it! Please choose the man or woman of "your choice." Let us take your measure - and I'm trusting you will not disappoint us!

OK, be honest Thera. You're hoping he'll pick you, aren't you? ;)

God NO, Ben!

I'm not cut out for politics! Picture a person with white hair, no make-up, no heels, who avoids public speaking. Yes, I'm a woman. But not VP material.

You're welcome to try for it!

There is no way Obama would agree to only serve on term. And I'm not going to even mention other scenarios as they are counter productive. The only hope Hillary has now is for McCain to beat Obama in the GE and then run again in 2012, though I think she'd be a long shot in 2012 because of the campaign she ran this year and if she was seen as less than 100% committed to helping Obama beat McCain this election.

Makes you go "Hmmm?"

Fearsome.

I am of the opinion that HRC is now positioning herself to negotiate a right to veto any VP candidate she doesn't like. (Sorry Governor Richardson!) But that is only my guess, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a VP come out of the Clinton camp.

She has two options to truly effect policy:

1. President--and that ship has sailed.

2. Senator--She has plenty of political capital and savvy to now move into the leadership to control the Senate agenda. Harry Reid is weak and will be replaced so this will be her opportunity to consolidate and extend her influence in the Senate.


I used to think #2 was an option. But she's gonna have to mend a lot of fences and get phoenixes to rise from the ashes (of her bonfires) for that to happen. Could happen.... but I'm holding my breath here. It's up to her. And boy would she have to work hard for that NOW!

others may differ...

I think you're right, therap. The number 2 option won't be so easy, and I'm not sure she has the seniority anyway; afterall, she's just the junior senator from NY, and celebrity won't buy her the backing of her fellow senators.

But in response to Greg's post, I'm completely stumped by what McAuliffe was about, and you may be right that this kind of press puts Obama in a tight spot where he eventually may be forced to take Clinton as a running mate. For what it's worth, I do know when I read McCauliffe's pitch I spontaneously thought: whoa, now Obama's only way out will be to pick a Republican.

In a way, it's like McAuliffe was offering an olive branch and that kinda sorta makes it hard for Obama to thumb his nose at it. A Republican, however, gives Obama the chance to offer an even bigger olive branch and that would trump McAuliffe.

But all of this is premature. This is something that may get dropped (note it comes out on a Friday), and may be over by the next news cycle. Still I do, like you, wonder what the heck is going on.

Sure, you make a fine point. I suppose that at essence my theory comes down to "she is trying to force a situation wherein she can extract concessions from Obama." I went on to posit that the precise concession that she is trying to exact is the oval office, but you could of course imagine that she is aiming at something more modest and it would still make sense. Your own theory is much like mine, albeit on a less dramatic scale, and I concede that it is therefore perhaps more easily defensible than my own hypothesis, even if less provocative.

The more hypotheses, the merrier!

Greg,

Actually, I'd been having similar thoughts for a while. I even made a comment to that effect on a thread last night, though not nearly as eloquently and elegantly as you did! :-) http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/toilet-bowl-effect-and-hillary.php


Yeah, in my most cynical thoughts, I suspected that her less-than-artful statement about "white working-class" voters was made for the benefit of super-delegates, and perhaps included a veiled threat that she could drive a racial wedge into the Democratic Party's voter coalition that would make it necessary to make her the VP nominee on the fall GE ticket.

McAuliffe's comments helped bolster that suspicion...

Oh, crap. Sorry. I tried to make the link go straight to my comment, but I failed.

Nevermind!

Greg, I like the drama of your idea much better than the prosaic point where I stop, but I just can't get to the promise not to run again after one term.

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Regarding Hillary's leverage, I think like most other things the Clintons and the media exaggerate, there is not as much division among democrats as they would lead you to believe.

Democrats will unite like never before. But perhaps in ways like never before.

The most important thing to remember as pundits pontificate about who needs what states and which voter demographics is this:

In the general election, Barack may not win the same way Hillary would win.

There are states Barack can put in play that Hillary can't.

Let's not apply old electoral dynamics to this year's election.

Because if the Obama campaign did that, Barack would have lost a long time ago.

I've been saying for months that the Party will probably strongly suggest a unity ticket.

As for rhetoric, I have to admit that I haven't watched a lot of her speeches for a while, but I keep hearing phrases like "We'll make history"; "Until there's a nominee", "When we're in the White House", "A Democratic President" and not so much, "I'm going to beat him". Of course I may be wrong because I'm mostly basing it on news reports, but for months she's only made a single indirect reference to Obama in most speeches, he's done the same toward her and I've been seeing a lot more stuff about "taking back the White House".

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