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Mr. Ickes prediction..... Full Delegates will be seated from Michigan and Florida.
Mr. Ickes, Mrs. Clinton’s chief delegate counter, said on the conference call with reporters today that its legal view is that the party’s rules committee, which meets Saturday, “has the full authority to seat full delegations and to seat them with full votes each.” Mr. Ickes said that he expected the full delegations to be seated with full votes and that the campaign would be making public its legal review shortly. The Clinton campaign also announced that former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard would be arguing the Clinton case on behalf of Michigan at the committee meeting. Senator Bill Nelson will be arguing for the Clinton campaign on behalf of Florida.
Will his prediction come true.... well we will know by tomorrow:)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OVuqHW7hZo
May 30, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Update Saturday: Mr. Ickes just got a full body smackdown from Rep. Robert Wexler. Ickes can predict anything he wants. Doesn't mean it's true.
May 31, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you ready to be disappointed tomorrow? You better be!
May 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton campaign would be profoundly disappointed if the Rules Committee grants Ickes analysis.
They would then have no rationale to continue fighting this issue, and therefore to continue the campaign.
The best result for Clinton is a compromise they don't agree with. This gives them a few more delegates, and gives them a rationale to continue appealing the decision (and therefore not conceding the primary election) all the way to the convention.
It will be quite a battle to watch next week when every prominent Democrat outside the Clinton campaign tries to shut it down. Will she concede? I wouldn't even begin to try to guess the odds.
May 30, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure we'd all be happy if that could happen because Obama would still be ahead by about 100 delegates and there'd be nothing left for Hillary to fight for. It's not going to happen for more reasons than I can list (and why bother, since you'll ignore the list).
We all want this to be over, I think, and not because Hillary doesn't have every right to stay in the race but because she sees sabotaging the all-but-certain Democratic presidential candidate as her only path to her last slim thread of a chance at the prize. And sabotage him, she does. Herself or through surrogates. Daily. Hourly.
Whatever happens tomorrow, the best outcome would be for the super delegates to line up behind Obama after Tuesday in such numbers that Clinton becomes the irrelevancy she deserves to be.
If anyone still believes that all Democrats have the good of the country at heart, Hillary Clinton should have put that notion to rest.
May 30, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
A day before the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee is set to determine how to seat the delegations of Florida and Michigan, Hillary Clinton's lawyer said the committee is compelled to seat both delegations fully and not award Barack Obama any delegates from Michigan.
In a letter addressed to the co-chairs of the RBC, Clinton lawyer Lyn Utrecht said both states have already been sufficiently punished because of lack of campaign activity.
"It is a bedrock principle of our Party that every vote must be counted, and thereby every elected delegate should be seated," Utrecht wrote. "The States have already been punished because no campaign activity was conducted in Florida or Michigan. There is no requirement or need to punish their duly elected delegates who represent the 2.3 million voters in Michigan and Florida who participated in the nominating process."
Utrecht also made clear the campaign will not accept a resolution in Michigan that awards Obama any delegates, since the Illinois senator took his name off the ballot there.
"Neither the DNC Rules nor the Michigan Delegate Selection Plan allow arbitrary reallocation of Uncommitted delegates to a candidate or arbitrary reallocation of delegates from one candidate to another," he wrote.
The Clinton campaign also said Friday that former Michigan Gov. Jim Blanchard and Florida State Senator Arthenia Joyner will make the case for the campaign at the hearing Saturday.
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May 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OVuqHW7hZo
May 30, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The Clinton campaign also said Friday that former Michigan Gov. Jim Blanchard and Florida State Senator Arthenia Joyner will make the case for the campaign at the hearing Saturday."
Making the case and winning the case are sometimes not one and the same.
May 30, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
HC08, I can't believe you didn't write "Go Hillary." I don't even know who you are anymore.
Question: aren't you furious at people like Mr. Ickes who "disenfranchised" MI and FL? How can you trust anything he says?
May 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Rules Committee Meeting is tomorrow and we should all contact these people and tell them that we think all the votes should be counted and all the delegates should be seated based on the January votes. No 50-50 split, no cutting the delegates by half, no random allocations of 69-59....all the delegates based on the January primary and nothing less. Millions of voters came out and they deserve to have a say in this close contest.
Be curteous but firm because we are representing Hillary here.
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May 30, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OVuqHW7hZo
May 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or suggest to them that the rules shouldn't be abrogated simply because a candidate and her entire campaign changed their minds, conveniently, when they realized they goofed in supporting sanctions for FL and MI last fall. Either way, whichever you think.
May 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
My avatar is ill from all this conflict. Can't seem to restore it.
May 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you think HRC will go quietly into the good night, think again:
Clinton Issues Post-Primary Schedule (Yes, Post-Primary Schedule)
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ABC News' Eloise Harper Reports: The press traveling with Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign received an email Thursday afternoon informing reporters they could sign up for travel through June 6 on the campaign website.
Given the speculation surrounding plausible outcomes from this Saturday's DNC Meeting and the final Democratic primaries on June 3, many confused looks passed between reporters on the back of the press bus.
When asked for comment, Clinton spokesman Jay Carson looked past Tuesday's primaries to the general election.
"There are a lot of places for us to go between June 4 and November," Carson said.
May 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
will obama need a restraining order and a big dog to keep her away from penn ave?
May 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You probably right the Fl. will get fully seated with a 1/2 vote.
May 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the Clintons vs. the Democratic party. It has been since February.
And the party had two choices:
1) Call on superdelegates to end the race as soon as Obama reached an insurmountable number of pledged delegates.
2) Or see how the Clintons will play this out.
They chose the latter and it's all out chaos. I don't know anyone, not one person who thinks the Clinton campaign will accept any decision tomorrow--not even one in their favor.
I said this back in February and I'll say it again:
Before the democrats can stand up to the Republicans, they have to stand up to the Clintons.
All our party "leaders" knew ahead of time how the Clintons play politics. Dean, Reid, Pelosi, Gore. Does anyone really believe they didn't know something like this would happen?
May 30, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me, the "Party" is us.
May 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tpmgary has it right, and the only reason the apparatchiks did not stand up to the Clintons is money - as in, the fund raising prowess of Billary. (My brother thinks he's a chicken. I'd send him to a psychiatrist, but I need the eggs.)
The only reason Ickes used the word "predict" today, as in he predicts total vindication by the Rules Committee, is to raise expectations among Clintonistas, with corresponding greater anger tomorrow when the decision isn't all they want. It is a divisive tactic. The Clintons have planned a full-out war against the Democratic party all along. It begins tomorrow.
May 30, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
So when Mr. Ickes makes his predictions, that's a lot like Criswell Predicts, right?
May 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard Criswell on Johnny Carson in the 1960's predict that the first man on the moon would be an Eskimo. Carson called him on it, asking why he predicted that. Criswell kind of mumbled that he understood it was very cold on the moon, and the only people who could stand that kind of cold were Eskimos. Real story.
Ickes's depth of thought is roughly equivalent, yep.
May 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ickesque prediction", that has a nice ring to it.
May 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Mission Accomplished"
May 31, 2008 6:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
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