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Krugman: "the struggle for the nomination has been marked by another fake Clinton scandal"
Published: May 26, 2008
It is, in a way, almost appropriate that the final days of the
struggle for the Democratic nomination have been marked by yet another
fake Clinton scandal — the latest in a long line that goes all the way
back to Whitewater.
This one, in case you missed
it, involved an interview Hillary Clinton gave the editorial board of
South Dakota’s Argus Leader, in which she tried to make a case for her
continuing campaign by pointing out that nomination fights have often
gone on into the summer. As one of her illustrations, she mentioned
that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June.
It wasn’t the best
example to use, but it’s absurd to suggest, as some Obama supporters
immediately did, that Mrs. Clinton was making some kind of dark hint
about Barack Obama’s future.
But then, it was equally absurd to
portray Mrs. Clinton’s assertion that it took L.B.J.’s political skills
to turn Martin Luther King’s vision into legislation as an example of
politicizing race. Yet the claim that Mrs. Clinton was playing the race
card, which was promoted by some Obama supporters as well as in a memo
by a member of Mr. Obama’s staff, achieved wide currency...
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Comments (22)
Daer Paul Krugman: If she had just dropped out after she lost mathematically after NC & IN, then there wouldn't be a divided party today.
And the fight for "bragging rights" if she happens to end up with the most popular votes, is complete garbage; it's a fight against HRC's attempt to delegitimize Obama's nomination, by disrespecting him, the rules, and the caucus states voters.
Finally, none of Obama's supporters call Hillary's voters "a bunch of hicks" from Appalachia like you claim. I call them Democrats, and we need them in November. Now if only Hillary had the good grace to give a rousing & healing speech imploring her supporters to support Barack Obama, then we Democrats can go defeat McCain/Bush and the corrupt GOP together.
May 26, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like Paul's going to be arguing with ROGER COHEN the next time they have an Op/Ed writers luncheon at the Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/26/opinion/26cohen.html?hp
May 26, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
And it looks like Roger Cohen will be arguing with Obama and RFK Jr., who did not fake outrage about Clinton's remarks.
May 26, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
This needs to be on recommended.
May 26, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wade, Krugman did not claim that anyone has called Clinton voters "bunch of hicks". He spoke about there being the "implication" that they are a bunch of hicks. Do you know what an implication is?
Obama, after all, claimed that those who won't vote for him in those areas "cling to guns" and "religion". That, my friend, is an implication that these people are hicks.
Don't misrepresent Krugman's words.
May 26, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
truthseeker77: Your interpretation of Obama's "bitter" quote is more of a "misrepresentation" than anything I said about Paul Krugman's piece...
I've never heard this "implication" from Krugman's mythical "Obama supporters." And like I said above, I don't "dismiss" Hillary's voters or "imply" that they're anything other than supporters of a strong candidate. I hope they vote Democrat for President in November. But Hillary holds the key; she needs to tell them to vote Obama, no matter how difficult it may be personally for her.
Democrats finally have a chance to take real action to fix W's disasters if we win the Presidency along with the Congress. Not so if we only win back Congress.
I hope she chooses wisely.
May 26, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Re: "win back Congress"... I meant to say "win larger majorities". Though many would say that Democrats haven't used the majority effectively since 2006 anyway (i.e. - by stopping the war or prosecuting Bush's criminal buddies).
May 26, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary gleefully took Obama's "cling to guns" comment way out of context and hammered it home, between shots of whiskey, to the voters in Appalachia, when if fact Obama was providing a sensible answer, when read in whole, to a question about a definite Democratic problem in front of a private gathering. Now, Hillary is all a twitter because of her assassination remark, claiming that she was taken out of context.
Obama will be the nominee. Hillary's standing in the party and her legacy will depend on what she does in the next few months. Will she gracefully exit and support the Dem Party as she claims? Will she go into FL, PA, OH, WV, KY and appeal to her voters to vote for the Dem Party in November? Or will she just retreat further into victimhood and start calculating for 2012? Her choice. Personally, I don't think she can see past the nose on her face.
May 26, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
If only...if only Obama had supported Hillary from the beginning (as she supported his Senate run) and had the grace and maturity to wait another 8 years while he stayed in school longer for better experience, the party would have been unified behind Hillary—a brilliant, hard working, proven leader—and we wouldn't be worried about party unity or losing to McCain. We all wouldn't be on opposite sides, threatening to vote Republican.
Keep in mind...there are 17+ million of us to counter the 17+ million of you. It's just that most of "us" are too busy running tractors and digging for coal, waiting tables and building skyscrapers for the wealthy, to spend time blogging. That's the only reason it seems to you like most people are for Obama. Fact is, it's even, if not leaning Clinton, so CAN it already with the "she should quit" whining.
I say "take it to the convention floor Hillary! You've earned it!"
May 26, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fremont: No matter what happens, I'm not "threatening to vote Republican".
And, Fremont, don't go running around calling people you don't know "limosine liberals" who've never "dug for coal" or "waited tables." You have no f'ing clue what other people go through in life. So choose your accusations wisely next time.
May 26, 2008 2:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fremont, Sen. Clinton cannot win the Democratic nomination. All she can do if she "takes it to the convention floor," is wreak terrible harm upon the Democratic party. Why do you want to see her do this?
May 26, 2008 3:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary is really such a brilliant and proven leader, why can't she even win the Dem nomination, huh?
May 26, 2008 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nor has Obama, with all his support and all his money, he can't close the deal without Super Delegates either.
May 26, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
And king Arthur couldn't close the deal against the Black Night in The Holy Grail.
May 26, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama guy. I'd spend more time blogging too if I wasn't working 60 hours a week trying to get our little company off the ground. My hands get just as dirty as yours. Obama is my age. I don't feel I need 8 more years of seasoning at my age. Bill Clinton and JFK were both in their 40s when they won the White House. If Hillary manages to snag the nomination, I'll vote for her, perhaps while ruefully wishing what might have been with Obama.
While Hillary may be hard-working, driven, and intelligent, her personal style is also incredibly divisive, as reflected in her persistent high negatives. This style was demonstrated by her inability to get a health care proposal off the ground in the early '90s, despite a Dem House, Senate, and President. Couldn't even get it out of committee because she burned so many bridges just getting it to committee. She is too much like the current president for my tastes: strong-willed, unwilling to admit mistakes, and petulant when she does. I think Obama brings a better skill set and interpersonal style to solve the significant problems we face, regardless of his age.
May 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, all this divisiveness is all Obama's fault. How dare he run against Hillary. It was her turn. She was entitled to it. It was hers by right. That's how politics in democracies work. You get the office when its your turn and that silly business of convincing the voters that you are the best person for the job is just naive, idealistic claptrap.
May 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah...now you're getting it! :-)
Any slick preacher can convince people to give money, vote for them, or whatever. Doesn't mean he can run the country.
May 26, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
First off, just to set the proper context of the conversation, Senator You-Know-Her (no names mentioned to protect the innocent) made a completly unforced error recently when she said something that she shouldn't have at the prodding of no one but her own inner demons. What she said came from her own open mouth -- with her own foot securely stuck in it -- and had nothing whatsoever to do with trumped up political/civil lawsuits (collectively known as "Whitewater") brought against her and her husband by rabid Republicans almost sixteen years ago. By attempting to lay down this bogus "connection" as argument-predicate, Professor Krugman simply loses all credibility in his very first sentence. No such logical or factual connection exists.
Second, none of the sorry history that Senator You-Know-Her shares with the so-called (by her) "vast right-wing conspiracy" -- currently some of her favorite new friends -- has anything to do with Senator Barack Obama, at present the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee for President of the United States. Yet somehow Professor Krugman holds Senator Obama responsible for repairing the damage -- to herself and her followers -- that Senator You-Know-Her's own tactless (or with malice aforethought) lizard-language comments have produced. Nonsense.
Senator You-Know-Her needs to take responsibility for her own bizarre statements as well as her inept and poorly managed campaign. She also needs to apologize to Senator Obama for her (and her loose-lipped husband's) various forays into low-road innuendo. You-Know-Her (and her Partner in Pathos) must publicly accept Senator Obsama as the Democratic Party's new -- and deserved -- leader. Such an overdue acknowledgment and requisite gesture by You-Know-Them will do more to heal any supposed "divisions" within the Democratic Party than anything Senator Obama should, needs to, or even can -- say at this point in his historic, victorious march towards the Presidency.
Senator You-Know-Her and former-President You-Know-Him need to retire to one of their many mansions now and stop trying to meddle in the affairs of the American government. A celebratory reunion with Ross Perot might even prove therapeutic: just to refresh You-Know-Their memories about how and why they ever got anywhere near the White House in the first place.
May 26, 2008 6:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
The division trolls are out in force.
May 26, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's be clear, no one really thinks Clinton was calling for Obama to be assassinated. (If you do, please don't mention that and let me make my point.)
The problem is that there are people in America who would take great pride in assassinating Obama. And not a few African Americans, who've experienced the assassination of a number of African American leaders, are worried that the same would've happened to Obama.
When the whole "bitter" issue came up, Obama acknowledged his poor choice of words. He acknowledged the impact of what he said whether or not he intended such a crude interpretation. He didn't blame Clinton for making an already bad situation worse. What would've been so hard about acknowledging the reality of the impact of her words, whether she meant them or not. Instead of doing that, she blamed Obama for what's happened.
May 26, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why should anyone care what Paul Krugman says any more than Bill O'Rielly?
Matter of fact, I kind of wish O'Reilly would have taken a swing at the little fool.
May 26, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Krugman wastes another entire column selling nightmare scenarios he thinks we should fear because he says so, because he's now suddenly an expert on emotions in elections.
And he wraps this one up with his concern that we just don't understand how scary the prospect of losing really is. Krugman's latest have become plain condescending, patronizing, awful ... blech.
If the point of the column is to persuade Obama to offer the VP spot to Hillary, it's not very persuasive, is it? Seeing as how he manages to talk down to both Obama and Hillary supporters in the same column.
I mean, Krugman notes in his 6th graf that, on the issues, Obama deserves and gets former Clinton supporters - but not before using his 5th graf to frame the offer of VP to Hillary as something that Obama should be offering in order to assuage hurt feelings.
Without offering any further rationale(s) for the VP offer.
It's not about helping make an Obama administration more effective. It's not because it's been earned. It simply should be offered because feelings have been hurt.
Do women really want this kind of help from Paul Krugman?
He has just reduced the VP spot to a consolation prize for bitter female voters who can't be bothered to act like grown-ups and vote based on the issues.
How is this doing any favors for the cause of women in our country?
It's not. It's a sick joke. An insult.
Who's going to go ask Paul to stop talking about Clinton supporters as if they were children?
May 27, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
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