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Josh, Do Journalistic Ethics Permit You to Share with Us the Broadcast Anti-Obama Emails You Reportedly Received from Sidney Blumenthal?
Seems newsworthy. I don't know the rules on these things, but seems to press the limits of confidentiality pretty far.
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Comments (28)
I second this. Your readers deserve to know.
May 1, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Deserve" rather overstates it, but I'd sure like to know.
May 2, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they know will he continue to receive the emails?
May 2, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
After you tell these Obama supporters why a site like TPM accepts emails from...political operatives, can you also admit that you support Obama?
Imagine the outrage if Josh were signed up to a republican email list! Huh? He is? To numerous right wing email lists? Er, well, don't change the subject, how much are they paying you Josh!
You people are gone, really. Equaling Bush supporters if not bettering them in paranoia. Best thing is, thats exactly what Obama is hoping for! Oh wait, I mean the exact opposite, oops.
When he said, "WE can change this culture of resentment and rage and divisiveness", you must have thought "damn. Well, everything except that, I agree with". Otherwise you're not really getting it, eh?
Again, Josh, please put an end to this type of post by stating your preference for Obama. I'd love to see how they spin it, somehow paint you as a member of the 5th column planning to bring Obama down.
May 2, 2008 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Del7,
Read the post below about Sidney Blumenthal's activities on behalf of Hillary and tell me if you think it isn't newsworthy that a very high profile affiliate of one leading Democrat is attacking the other in this manner. If Obama were doing the same to her it would also be worthy of publicity and censure.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/sidney-blumenthal-uses-fo_b_99695.html
May 2, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Josh gets a bunch of emails, dismisses them as BS and doesn't disseminate their content because the content isn't news.
Maybe that Blumenthal is sending them is news, but it's hardly shocking.
What we need are more people like Josh who don't take them seriously and less people like Stephanopolous who will ask a question in a debate because Sean Hannity tells him to.
May 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you let Josh speak for himself instead of assuming anything. And so far he has not spoken at all.
May 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh... Josh can speak for himself whenever he'd like to. And I can speak whenever I'd like to. So, uh, what's your problem?
May 2, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sublim - I truly don't mean to provoke or upset, but what's suprising about this? Why is it an issue? I KNOW who/what Sidney is, I've rooted him on many times in the past. I know Hillary, Bill, et al. They play mean. Sadly, they are in the 1% of Democrats that do so. I'd appreciate Obama far more if he hadn't gone with the tired, "lets change the tone! We can do it!" message. I've no idea how so many fail to realize its a political strategy. I'll vote for him in a second against McCain, and I'll do the same if Hillary is the nominee.
May 2, 2008 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem in my mind is that Josh has been reporting on the activities of Republican operative Roger Stone, however in the mean time he has been inside the inner circle of Clinton operative Blumenthal's dirty tricks campaign. He knows those emails have turned into articles attacking Obama. He knows those emails have shaped coverage of this campaign. And yet....
He got caught with his pants down. I think users do deserve answers.
May 2, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
My question is this ((maybe people more knowledgable than me can answer this): Would you keep silent about this sort of thing in order to keep the information flowing? If Josh outed these Clinton shills obviously he'd be off the mailing list and out of the loop. So I wonder what the judgment call was if there was one.
May 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Josh was "outed" by Peter Dreier at HuffPo. The topic of the Dreier article is about the "echo chamber" in which Blumenthal seems to be the primary one hollering and other "writers and journalists" are listening and reporting exactly what Blumenthal is hollering. Blumenthal's motives are to elect a particular candidate. The problem to me stems from the fact that those on the receiving end are not doing the necessary reporting to "vet" the information, but are reporting it as fact. That is a failure on the part of the reporters who are taking Blumenthal's version as "unassailable fact."
The problem isn't Blumenthal -- "it's the reporters, stupid..."
May 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Del7, why does this matter? Because in a democracy, voters decide. And when we say, "It's just politics," and accept that anything goes to win elections, we teach that ethics doesn't matter. Then that's what our kids learn, and why should anyone adhere to law or rules or value honor?
I find it disturbing we've sunk to such lows that lying, cheating, smearing, innuendo are acceptable "political" tools. And I find it appalling to see a Democrat using these methods.
May 2, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
it would be cool to see the e-mails.
Why not Josh? Let's see the inner machinations of an attack machine.
May 2, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see these emails too.
I must admit, the number of Clinton surrogates that I used to like and admire but have, in the last several months, been greatly disappointed in, has been growing by leaps and bounds.
May 2, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I should add that I don't think this is an obvious call. And I know Josh would not, as some of the recipients of these emails may have done, lazily incorporate materials from Blumenthals "Smear Supply Package(TM)" emails into his journalism. But there's something really insidious about this, and about the fact that it's kept from view -- since among the few protections against smear-driven campaigning are the targeted candidate's ability to respond directly to a published charge and the public's punishing the smear-er at the polls.
May 2, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the main thing here is the desire for some transparency about the process of how the daily information packages are being influenced.
Josh certainly can't control who sends him an email, and like most other editors and reporters, he's a natural target by all those trying to work the refs.
But, as a former reporter myself, I think it is facinating to sometimes do a story by reporting on how the various operatives do their work, usually behind the scenes.
This is a legitimate press criticism angle, mainly because so much is at stake. And, there are several other examples to bring into focus somehow. For instance, why hasn't there been more followup stories about the Pentagon's generals and propaganda campaign? Is there a content analysis to be done that would show whether scandal stories are being pursued more against Democrats than against McCain (as I suspect), and why?
Another angle is a big-picture report on how the business of news gathering (print, electronic and online) is intersecting with this presidential campaign? Where is the money coming from, who's getting rich, and which interests are threatened, which bolstered, depending on who wins?
But I do think this Blumenthal story is something that ought to see the light of day, if there are any around who would be willing to do an honest, tough job of reporting on how this fits into the bigger picture.
Frankly, I think Josh and TPM are as qualified as any to do that.
May 2, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet this is the unspoken subtext behind Josh's growing disgust with the Clinton campaign and its new love for the VRWC.
May 2, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see this as a huge deal. Clearly these emails are not heavily influencing the discourse on the main TPM blog. Or if they are, I sure haven't noticed.
Let's show a little respect to someone who has kept relatively objective in the midst of what seems to be a growing party civil war.
May 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
In addition, do you really want to see this kind of drivel publicized further? Let's be thankful we haven't seen them.
All it would serve to do is further divide the party. No, I don't like these kinds of tactics either, but there's no reason to highlight them. It just serves to fuel various people's good guys vs. bad guys attitude.
May 2, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. I believe this is a window into the very serious battle now being waged within the party, to try to decide what kind of party it should be going forward. And that's worth talking about in the open. It's going to be decided in any case, with us or without us. I'd rather know what's going on, in all it's putrid glory, wouldn't you?
May 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it is not a big deal, they why doesn't he write a post about it instead of ignoring the issue completely?
I think his readers and users of this site ought to know whether his "new" media really isn't just "old" media with electrons instead of ink. Because that is what it is feeling like to me.
For months now, Josh has like to chronicle the Republican Roger Stone, but at the same time he has been on the inside of Democratic dirty trickster Blumenthal's circle and has been complicit in the smearing of a candidate by not reporting on it.
I am wondering if there are any "ethics" at all.
May 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
i'm gonna give mr marshall the benefit of the doubt here.
Is he required to tell us everytime he gets junk email?
I mean, seriously. That seems to be what you're suggesting.
May 2, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
No he is not required to tell us about his junk mail, but frankly a big story of this campaign has been email efforts and whisper campaigns to smear Obama from Clinton people. This just fits into that larger story, which Newsweek by the way had no problem reporting on, making it newsworthy.
All I am saying is that he, as a journalist, has seen these emails arrive in his inbox. And then he as a journalist has seen these emails turn into articles in publications. He knew it was a dirty tricks smear campaign, it is a camaign that fits into a larger story about other smear campaigns against this candidate using the same methods in this election. The perpetrator of this campaign has the nickname "Sid Vicious" in journalistic circles and yet Josh remains silent and is still silent at this very moment.
And, let me just point out, that Josh has had a good love of reporting on this Roger Stone fellow, who may or may not have done some dirty tricks. Who knows, he claims credit for Spitzer and tried to set-up a anti-Hillary group called C.U.N.T. But he has this thing happening right in front of his face. By his own standards it is newsworthy. But maybe not because Blumenthal is a Democrat or something.
May 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
What exactly has Blumenthal done that's wrong?
May 2, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Conason, a recipient of the Blumenthal emails, says he doesn't think Blumenthal's emails -- consisting of certain negative stuff about Obama -- "crossed the line," in part because the journalitic titans to which the emails were addressed have too much integrity to be influenced by such material.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/05/02/blumenthal/
I don't think he's done anything illegal or something. It's just the Clinton nausea factor.
May 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh just wants his candidate to win, and if Barack does not win he will be able to blame Hillary Clinton. It is easy to see that the people pushing Barack Obama are not open to the fact that he is a week candidate at best. He has not real plan and when cornered with a question that he does not know the answer, which is just about every question you get ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, and a BS answer. This country needs a leader, but I am afraid Barack Obama is a Leader who will be led.
May 2, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'll admit that Barack does say "ah." But to say that he's a "week" candidate is a bit of an exaggeration. He's lasted several months already.
May 2, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
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