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It’s Over: Clinton Won’t be the Democratic Presidential or VP Candidate (and Boomers will make sure)
Hillary’s most consistent supporters have been folks over 50,
especially women over 50. With her statement about assassination, and
her bizarre "apologetic" explanation (namely, I was thinking about
Teddy and so I mentioned Bobby’s assassination), she just lost a
substantial number of these supporters. I will not say all. I will not
say those closest to her. But I will say, a very significant number.
Most importantly, in terms of the race, many superdelegates in this age
cohort, who may have been leaning her way, will be looking around for
the nearest Exit sign. Ditto for those who were in favor of placing her
in the VP slot.
Most of you reading this commentary will have
heard what Hillary Clinton said yesterday afternoon, May 23rd, to the
editorial board of South Dakota’s Sioux Falls Argus-Leader, in response to a question about staying in the race.
"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?" she said. "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California." The New York Times, May 24, 2008, Katharine Q Seelye reporting. http://www.nytimes.com/...
And you may have heard Clinton’s "apology," also reported by Seelye in the Times.
" ‘The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy,’ referring to the recent diagnosis of Senator Edward M. Kennedy’s brain tumor. She added, ‘And I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive.’ "
Members of the Democratic Party who experienced the trauma of the assassinations of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King will understand that Clinton crossed a line yesterday. Many will agree with Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, an uncommitted superdelegate. Seelye reports that Clyburn "said through a spokeswoman that the comments were ‘beyond the pale.’ " For those who remember Bobby lying in a pool of blood the night that he won the June California primary, little explanation is needed as to why prominent figures shouldn’t mention the assassinations of presidential candidates.
To say that Hillary was simply using RFK’s assassination as a time marker doesn’t cut it. There are simply too many other ways that Hillary could have talked about extended nominating contests. For example, she could have simply said, RFK won the California primary in June. "Oh, but Hillary would never wish the death of another candidate," a supporter might reply. But it is not a question of her wishes, whether benighted or angelic. I leave it to the psychologists to analyze her motives. What I do know is that someone who lived through the sixties as an adolescent or adult should understand the dangers of invoking the assassination of a presidential candidate during a campaign, especially one in which the front-runner is an African-American. And Clinton not only invoked an assassination, she invoked the assassination of the brother of a Senator who has just been diagnosed with terminal cancer. How disturbing is this? Just ask yourself, could you have imagined this story before it happened?
Please don’t tell me that her words can be explained away entirely by 'Hillary fatigue.' First, because she was quite lucid when she was speaking, and, second, because she has raised the issue of assassination before, without using the term.
"NBC/NJ’s Mike Memoli notes that Clinton said something similar the day after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries. ‘Sometimes you gotta calm people down a little bit. But if you look at successful presidential campaigns, my husband did not get the nomination until June of 1992,’ she said. ‘I remember tragically when Senator Kennedy won California near the end of that process.’ " http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/...
Perhaps most tellingly, her "apology" showed little understanding of the seriousness of her "gaffe." Yes, she should have apologized to the Kennedys, but she should also have taken responsibility for her remarks and made a sincere apology to the American people. She is going to lose support among influential boomers, support that she can’t afford to lose at this point.
This is the end of Hillary’s quest. Her judgment can no longer be trusted. Democrats will not take a chance on running her for president or VP. It is just awful that it had to end like this.
(As a side note, Hillary has been misleading audiences when she has claimed that Bill’s race ran into June. Technically it did because California hadn’t voted. But he had the nomination sewed up before California’s primary in June. The situation is not analogous to the current race.)
The above was cross-posted on My DD and the Daily Kos, as well as on my blog.
[When I wrote a blog last week about Teddy Kennedy and the assassination of JFK, "The President, The Senator, and the Candidate." http://msa4.wordpress.com/ of course I had no idea that Clinton would make such a thoughtless statement. But I believe that this blog reinforces my claim that the trauma of these assassinations is very real for a certain age cohort. And it helps to show that this is not a matter of scoring points against Clinton. It is heartfelt. I have seen too many knee-jerk defenses of Hillary on the Web. This one requires us to step back.]











Comments (33)
To anyone who lived through 1963 and 1968, as Hillary did and as I did, the word "assasination" is not one that can (or at least should) ever be voiced in public without thought .... and strong hesitation.
And it should certainly not be voiced this year, when for the first time *since* 1968, there is hope and and a feeling of exciting change in the air and the everyday voters are (for the firxt time in the memory of younger people like Michelle Obama) standing up and making their voices heard and becoming engaged in the political process in a very meaningful and decisive way. After the 1-2 punches of the MLK and RFK tragedies in the spring of 1968, many of our generation - and older - turned out back on that kind of hope and feeling of grassroots power.
Along with Sen. Obama, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't intend any of the more horrid implications of her statement ---- but do we REALLY want someone who is so tone-deaf, so callously focused on her own success above all, that they will inadvertently make comments that rip at the souls of so many, many people. Whether she meant anything by it or not, it was a piercing electrical jolt to many of us.
What would prevent her from being similarly callous and unthinking when discussing foreign affairs or other delicate, highly emotional issues? Her motives may have been entirely pure, but she has shown (once again, in my opinion) that she simply does not have the good sense, tact, and judgment to be President ... or, it goes without saying, Vice President.
May 25, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
One reason it's hard to give her the benefit of the doubt, is that she is old enough to remember the full chaos of 1968. As someone old enough to remember the traumas of that spring and summer, it
s hard to believe that anyone who did would focus on the LENGHT of the campaign. I remember the VIOLENCE of the campaign from King to Kennedy to kids being clubbed by police in Chicago while the political establishment nominated Humphrey.
May 25, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
The rants here are identical to DU. And Daily Kos.
Wonder why.
May 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely nailed it.
I hate to say it (and I disagreed with it vociferiously when he said it), but Bill Safire was right.
She is a congenital liar.
May 25, 2008 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yesterday -- once again -- Obama gave Hillary a face-saving pass on another misleading and, in this case, shocking statement. This morning, David Axelrod echoed Obama's graciousness.
I support their decision because I understand why they made it; nonetheless, in terms of expressing legitimate censure, if not now, when? As a WASP, I have to ask on Obama's behalf: precisely how long must this talented, thoughtful black man tiptoe around the alleged sensibilities of this brutally tonedeaf white woman?
This venal evocation of mayhem, Senator Clinton, will not be forgiven... at least not by those of us -- whether male or female, black or white -- who are old enough to remember the serial shocks of Dallas, and Memphis and Los Angeles. That you, one of our generational peers, would make the coldblooded decision to insinuate this possibility into our current election process, merely on the off-chance that it might give your failed campaign some justification for hanging on, is anathema to us.
Senator Clinton, words are not "just words." Words have meaning, particularly when they are said more than once and allude to something that is our national shame. Please show us that you finally accept responsibility for your words by bowing out of this race, now.
Senator Obama: please follow Nancy Reagan's advice and "Just Say No" to any suggestion that HRC be your running mate.
May 25, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right:
And once again, Hillary, Wolfson, et al, blamed Obama for all the mess!
BUT THIS IS WHAT IS ASTOUNDING! THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE!
I haven't seen one scintilla of evidence that anyone has changed his/her mind over this; in fact it has made the sides more polarised than ever. I blogged about this 30 minutes ago.
Please! Prove me wrong! Show me that Hillary supporters are doubting their fierce loyalty to her based on her unfortunate statements and her outrageous inability to own up to (another) mistake in judgement.
May 25, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Complete BS. I heard Alexrove and he piled on as usual.
May 25, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is, by far, the most intelligent and clear-headed and still, so, so poignant blog so far this weekend about Hillary's Kennedy gaffe, that I wish I could give it a five thumbs up.
May 25, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second that
May 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nonsense. Most boomers probably see through this manufactured flap. It follows the Obama pattern of dirty politics perfectly. Drudge starts the ball rolling. Axelrod picks up the ball and sends a signal to the Obama flaks. Olbermann rants, the MSN piles on, the Progressive blogosphere goes ape. Then, after the damage is done, Obama makes a lofty pronouncement and the choir faints. Politics as usual. If he gets the nomination and can't get Clinton to run with him the boomers will give FL, OH and maybe PA to McCain. They aren't going to vote for some guy with about 3 years of experience, no matter how excited the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party gets. And we haven't even begun to see the backlash from women if this kind of dirty attack on Hillary doesn't stop.
May 25, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it's simply terrible the way that damned Obama put those violently insensitive (at best) words in her mouth. And since she's only an (older) woman, how could she be expected to resist his Mandingo-like powers? Thank you for helping us to see straight.
Now, if Obama can just trick McCain into calling his wife a c**t!
May 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or if you can get someone to hear your racist dog whistle.
May 25, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now there, children, is a perfect example of a dog calling the whistle black.
May 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy Glad, as a boomer, and a woman (actually irrelevant), when I saw her comment, I immediately thought she was inviting assination. Now that is worse than any posters seem to be assigning to her motives. KO had not made his comment yet, and I had heard very scant media comment. Therefore my reaction was based on my personal experience and memories of the sixties coupled with my now view of Clinton whom I believe wants this Presidency at any cost. I am ashamed to say I almost voted for her and extremely proud that I decided at the last moment to vote for Obama. You are obviously a die hard Clinton fan. I'm so sorry you have to continue to support this loser. I guess you will vote for McBush in the fall?
May 25, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't think I expected to get any agreement here, did you? You heard what you heard. Obama can count on your vote. But you don't speak for your generation, and I see no evidence that many outside of the Obama echo chamber agree with you. I'll take your word for the fact that you saw the original interview with the editorial board before anyone told you what to see and hear. If you did, you're the exception. Most people only saw it after the Obama campaign told them how to see it.
May 25, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I am an exceptional individual, I am an independant thinker who finds it disturbing how easily influenced people are by the media narratives. I take your point and agree that people can be worked up by others creating an over reaction to a situation. Thank you for giving me the benefit of a doubt. Unfortunately, I am sorry to say that it is very difficult to give Hillary Clinton the benefit of a doubt just because she had stated time and again she knows that "things can happen" in the race. Add this to her comment Friday and it only looks very bad regarding her intent in her reminding people of RFK's assination.
May 25, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I see it, you're just fanning the flames and working hard to divide the Party. Good luck with that. If you succeed in getting Obama nominated and keeping Clinton off the ticket, you'll actually have a chance to win in November. I think you can sell that bilge here in the Progressive blogosphere a lot easier than you'll be able to sell it in the real world. The super delegates are going to do what's best for the Party.
May 25, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get the impression that you believe the only way to reunite the party after the nomination is for an Obama/Clinton ticket. However, I would like to ask if you think there is anyone else Obama could name that Clinton supporters could endorse? Can you name some names?
I do want the party unified. But I also want Obama to have the freedom to name that individual whom he feels will enhance his presidency and the nation. I do not want him to be forced into naming someone just because it is politically expedient.
May 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The last major assassination was of a woman, Benazir Bhutto, in December. The hatred towards Hillary is much more evident than the hatred towards Obama. It simply makes no sense for her to draw out snipers. I posted about this twice over the weekend, just click on my name.
Hillary cut her teeth in politics in 1968. She knows exactly what happened then and in 1992 when her husband was running. She knows campaigns go through June and everyone stays hateful for long after. And now she has the Democratic establishment looking down at her going, "tut tut, don't you know it's so gauche to be campaigning in June? It's never been done before." She's seen the Unity Pony up close, and it's a mottled beast resembling a milking sow tied up with a rabid hyena. But not only do they want her to ride it, they want her to admire its fine pedigree.
May 26, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
"It simply makes no sense for her to draw out snipers."
An interesting choice of words -- and it sounds even better in Serbo-Croatian. Anyway, it may make no sense, but...
May 26, 2008 5:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't support Clinton's candidacy initially because of her Iraq vote and her inability to concede that she was wrong. But it was the series of campaign events chronicled in threads like http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/obama-supporters-share-your-hi.php that convinced me her candidacy is toxic and divisive for the Democratic Party and the country.
I don't see the weekend TPM posts as just a piling on of criticism of Clinton as some will likely view them. It's been cathartic for me as I ponder the effect her campaign has had on me as a woman, a Democrat, and a citizen who lived through the turmoil of the 1960's. Her history provides a context for interpreting her recent RFK analogy.
We can extend the benefit of the doubt in individual cases, but when the whole-cloth of her campaign is considered, the pattern that emerges is a disturbing one. It's one for the history books for sure, and for political science and psychology texts as well.
I'm reminded of the 2006 incident when Clinton asked Kerry to apologize for his "stuck in Iraq" remark, piling on with Republican critics instead of supporting Kerry. This incident more or less sealed Kerry's fate in terms of making another run for the Presidency in 2008. Clinton helped remove a potential competitor for the 2008 Democratic nomination by not giving Kerry the benefit of the doubt.
May 25, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kerry had already had his chance and proved he was a loser. Why would you want to back him again? A candidate who couldn't beat Bush in the middle of a disastrous occupation? Trust me. You're trying to give it away again. Do you think it's an accident that this flap started with something Drudge published? Please.
May 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say I backed Kerry. I gave an example of Clinton refusing to give the benefit of the doubt to another Democrat about what he meant.
May 25, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me, Billy, but I think this "flap" actually started with Hillary's words. And I didn't need Druge (whom I don't read) or Daily Kos (ditto) or DU (what the heck is that? I thought it was a college fraternity?) to tell me that those words were offensive, very painful, and just plain stupid. This was NOT an unexpected question --- I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt (squinting very hard) and accept that anyone undergoing a campaign as long as both of the candidates have is goind to misspeak. Why do you have to try to manipulate this into something nefarious by the Obama campaign? You're usually smarter than that.
May 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sorry but what has transpired here the last days is just a crybaby bitch session. All your pent up anger at Hillary is now at boil and you seem to feel you can vent it now. I guess, that is your choice. But I can tell you most Hillary supporters around the country are watching and listening to the "mob rape" of her character. To believe that you are honestly offended by what she said makes me shake my head in disbelief.
Lastly, Hillary didn't "do-in" John Kerry. He did a fine job of doing it himself. He had no shot at this nomination and shouldn't have since he botched the effort it 2004 so badly.
May 25, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one said Clinton "did-in" Kerry. I gave an example of Clinton refusing to give the benefit of the doubt to another Democrat about what he meant.
May 26, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, Billy, you do speak for me, a tail-of-the-boom female boomer? I did't think so.
I don't see what you're basing your opinion about boomers on. But the inescapable fact is that every single article that references Hillary's comment mentions that his supporters fear for his life. That feeds into fearmongering rhetoric that his life is in too much danger to want him in the white house, which supports the position the pundits accuse Hillary of--not that she's more experienced or more of a 'fighter' or tougher, but that she's more likely to survive until her inaugeration. So maybe you should just sit back and be happy.
Only time will tell.
May 25, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I said is that boomers most probably see through this manufactured flap. Just basing that on the boomers I know. I don't pretend to speak for the boomers or any other generation, but they seem to be a little more impervious to the Obama story than younger voters are. For sure, nobody here in the echo chamber speaks for them. As far as women go, I think it's obvious that a sense of outrage is building among women who are not hard core Obamanauts, signed on for the voyage and quest no matter where it leads. Public statements are beginning to mount up. If the treatment Hillary has gotten from the Obama campaign and the press doesn't bother you, I'm glad. Maybe Obama can turn the electoral vote around after Hillary is out of the picture.
May 25, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, I'm not calling you a stupid sheep. At least I don't think I am, unless you take disagreement as disdain. So don't call me a stupid sheep, please.
I'm saying you're making some big assumptions, and I don't see any basis for it. It's not "obvious" that "women" are "outraged." I don't hear any outcry from women or women's groups, boomer or not. There are a few female Clinton diehards who purport to speak for women everywhere. But if we've learned anything about women lately, it's that we're not voting as a single group anymore. Instead, we're voting by generation, by education and income, by marital status, by geography, by religion--we're voting like Americans. I'm proud of us.
May 25, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many more days are you going to beat this
dead horse?
Oh, oops. I guess that subliminally was some kind of
sinister threat against Obama.
Oh no! That last sentence was too! Yikes! Don't
tell keith Olbermann, please please!
May 25, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, I sure wouldn't want to meet Keith in a dark alley. Even when I agree with him I hate all the yelling. I'll bet he's tall, too. Tall angry men make me nervous.
May 25, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone said earlier that Billy was gone. I guess he's not. Still insulting everyone with sophomoric crap. echo chamber-echo chamber-echo chamber-echo chamber-echo chamber-echo chamber-echo chamber-echo chamber-echo chamber-
Only thing is -- that is what is going on in Billy's head
May 25, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
May 25, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
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