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Is Obama just a fairy tale about to get a reality check this fall?

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The current new generation of voters came of age under the lingering scandals of the Clinton administration, watched the corrupt election of George Bush, were horrified by the attacks on September 11th, and then were left to find comfort in TV and video games while the country was dragged into war.  But then just a year ago a presidential candidate came along and asked them to help set a new direction for this country. He actually showed he trusted them to think, to act, to make change happen. He asked for their help. Amazingly--to the establishment at least-- they respond overwhelmingly. 

African Americans saw a black man running for the presidency and were properly wary. They hid their disbelief by saying he wasn't black enough when in truth they were more concerned he wasn't white enough to win white votes and therefore would have to betray them by distancing himself from them. No candidate could walk that fine line. But a candidate did. He respected both blacks and whites and spoke to them honestly and truthfully. African Americans responded in turn--overwhelmingly.

Disillusioned Democrats weary of divisive politics could not believe a candidate would be able to resist climbing into the tar pits if he or she wanted to win the nomination. They wanted to be inspired again, to believe that American's better angels had not all been smothered, to believe that there was more that united us than divided us. They found a candidate who made them believe again, who trusted them enough to say it would be hard but that we had it in us to fight against all that was wrong. So they responded-- overwhelmingly. 

The pundits were amused by this candidate and were probably making bets as to how quickly he would stumble and fall.  They created arenas and tossed out weapons in the form of inane debate questions to entertain themselves more than to actually inform the public on the issues.  At one point they thought they finally had this audacious candidate surrounded. In the media ring he was face-to-face with his formidable Democratic opponent, her ex-president husband, and various DNC establishment players. Positioned behind him was his Republican opponent with his entourage of TV talking heads and various RNC attack dogs. And then the gates opened; a new and very unexpected opponent entered the ring. Rev. Wright, a onetime friend, had decided to make his own challenge.  They sounded the trumpets and allow him the royal walk around the arena so everyone could hear his words. The pundits were on their feet cheering, clapping, laughing in glee. Obama's opponents in the ring watched this triumphal walk smugly expecting the coup de grace was about to be delivered but when the dust cleared the candidate was still standing and the voters were still—remarkably—cheering him on.

Maybe we who support Obama are fools to believe this fairy tale, this myth, this wishful dream will continue, that it will not be shattered this fall.  Maybe audacious heroes truly don't exist who can triumph against the odds. Maybe no one can do the improbable in this cynical world of ours, but therein lies the hope we hold.

 




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Quibble: The "is he black enough" meme was put forth by black Clinton supporters, and then picked up by white America who then decided that all black people were seriously having this conversation (an not laughing at people having this conversation), when in fact, it was white people wondering if Obama was "black enough".

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Quibble with Quibble: Black enough may not have been a real question this campaign but it has been.

In Obama's losing 2000 congressional race Obama was way too white.
From Before Obama Was a Favorite Son
One opponent called him "the white man in blackface in our community."

A black progressive journalist wrote in the Chicago Tribune that Obama was

"perhaps the least favorite son," observing that "his Harvard education and crisp elocution mark him as insufficiently 'black.'"

The race was seen as between the Black Panther and the professor. (His opponent had been chairman of the Illinois Black Panther Party)

He was running in In that race Wright wasn't controversial, it was whispers of white liberals giving him money and that he would work against the interests of the black community. His weakness was that his base was too white or too young. At least he sticks with "too young" since his racial weakness flip flopped.

His then opponent now supports his presidential run as do those who campaigned against him then or endorsed his opponent with just one exception. Bill Clinton endorsed Obama's opponent, campaigned with him and did radio campaign ads for him. As far as I know Bill has not yet endorsed Obama.
(Hey, should Bill be in trouble for his Black Panther connections?)

I saw Nancy Giles on Sunday Morning talking about this. "Is Obama black enough? Black enough for what?"

She was exasperated at the fuss about it.


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No it wasn't. It was first mentioned by Stanley Crouch.

You keep hoping, Dope, while Obama and his real supporters make it happen.

SPEAKING OF FAIRY TALES

Didn't you do the voice over for Shreks Donkey?


Obama/MooShoo '08

We will not give in to overt and covert racism. If people dislike Obama for reasons other than his skin and want to vote for McCain, I will drive them to the voting booth myself. If they decide to stay home, I'll bring them lunch.

We will not give in to overt and covert racism. If people dislike Obama for reasons other than his skin and want to vote for McCain, I will drive them to the voting booth myself. If they decide to stay home, I'll bring them lunch.Most excellent jdw, the quote of the day, week, month, and year. I've printed it and put it above my calendar as a daily reminder. Thank you.

Blockquote problem. Should have read:

We will not give in to overt and covert racism. If people dislike Obama for reasons other than his skin and want to vote for McCain, I will drive them to the voting booth myself. If they decide to stay home, I'll bring them lunch.

Most excellent jdw, the quote of the day, week, month, and year. I've printed it and put it above my calendar as a daily reminder. Thank you.

Um, dude, if people want to vote for McCain, I will not drive them anywhere. I don't really care why they want to vote for McCain. The lady might have been, like, his grade school sweetheart. I don't care. She can walk to the goddamn polling place.

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I think we often forget why Obama is so scary to Corporate America, which the media is part of. It is called independent fundraising. When the guy has 1,500,000 donating to his campaign, the fat cats get desperate and wary, very wary. How can you pressure a guy like that? That is changing the ways of Washington.
Wright, white blue collar vs college educated, are all excuses to scare people, but the trully scared are them. At the beginning they did not know what to do with him, Wow a new rock star, great TV!. After February, they realized that Obama is for real, and they became associates in the kitchen sink strategy. The good thing is that once voters started to see him, they weren't swayed (at least significantly) by the Wright circus, and kept coming. I hope it continues this way, but I do not expect the inane attacks to stop for a moment. In the end Hillary was only an instrument. They will find another. But I am hopeful that the people is ready and we finally found a way to make our democracy more real

exactly :)

And I bet other government officials are like "How did we miss this guy??"

See FBI vs Martin Luther King for details.

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The "fat cats" aren't the least bit worried about Obama. The financial sector seems to love the guy and has donated more money to Obama than any of the other candidates. Obama is more of a Reagan democrat that Clinton is.

He's a politician. A principled, skilled, and inspiring politician, but still a politician. I have no doubt that he will sometimes have to compromise his ideals for what seems feasible. But, as he's already shown, he trusts the American people enough to tell them the truth, and not to lazily reach for the deceitful, easy pander.

I think that that sense of principle -- the sense that he is not a poll-driven politician who will say whatever he thinks the voters want to hear -- was what was lacking in Gore and Kerry, and cost us the elections of 2000 and 2004. 2004 should have been a landslide. Unfortunately, Gore and Kerry, playing the political game as it was supposed to be played, portrayed themselves as more centrist than they really were. They came across as being willing to say whatever the polls told them voters wanted to hear, and independents and Republicans just didn't believe them. Obama is trying to win it differently.

This year, the Republicans will try every deceitful, fear-mongering, race-baiting, vote-suppressing tactic that's worked for them in the past, and then some. To become President, Obama is going to have to win such a landslide that the Republican cheating can't determine the outcome. He has what it takes, but he's going to need us in the streets, on the phones and at the polling stations, working to make sure everyone's vote is counted.

One of the other impressive things about Obama is that he tells us that, as president, he can not effect change; but only an engaged, mobilized citizenry, willing to lean on the bought and paid for congress, can effect change.

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He is not perfect, but he is the best that we have now.

Hmm. Principled and politician in the same sentence.

Perhaps he is. Perhaps that will turn out to be why even the conservative evangelicals find their way to vote for him.

Perhaps that is the key to how he will make McCain look unelectable.

Certainly it seems to be how it's working with Mrs. Clinton.

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"Maybe we who support Obama are fools to believe this fairy tale, this myth, this wishful dream will continue, that it will not be shattered this fall. Maybe audacious heroes truly don't exist who can triumph against the odds. Maybe no one can do the improbable in this cynical world of ours, but therein lies the hope we hold."


The last time I felt this passion (passage above) for a presidential candidate was in 1970, when I was a young teenager, and his name was Bobby Kennedy.

I have been a Hilllary Supporter. I don't need heroes, or a fairy tale, or someone charismatic who presides against the odds. I am very sad Hillary is facing defeat because she makes a good, solid party president, one I can depend on.

Obama as president scares me. Don't know if I can depend on it. Perhaps I've seen too much.


Obama as president scares me.

Why does it scare you?

I am just asking, no snark, or anything.

I can't answer your question because you didn't ask it of me, but I would like to say this meme of he scares me (or she scares me if you want to reverse it) is just kind of lame. It's like the last ditch criticism people use when there's nothing really substantive they can think of to say and make a valid point. It's bogey man talk, a small scope version of the politics of fear. Ooooh, he/she may not be as good as you think. Watch out.

But the way I see it, we could elect the seemingly most most most experienced and perfect of candidates and find out it was an oops and vice versa. It's unfortunate that putting someone in office is the only way we actually find out if they're going to be good at the job, but that's how it is. I don't care what candidate you back, it's always a risk.

If you're going to vote, however, it's the risk you have to take. To me it's kind of like picking a surgeon. The guy might cure you while on the other hand he might kill you. But if you need the procedure, you've got to pick someone and just cross your fingers.

Not to be picky here about your memories, but Bobby Kennedy was killed in 1968.

And besides that he jumped into the presidential campaign after McCarthy's campaign was succeeding against Johnson, and helped end the McCarthy campaign.

He actually showed he trusted them to think, to act, to make change happen.

This is the part that bothers me. Not about what you said, or Obama. Its that those, like the nay sayers "He is all talk, no substance" and they dont understand what he is saying because they do not know how to THINK, and ACT, and understand the result that happens.

So many so "higher-than-thou" people keep asking..."well, HOW are you going to make the U.S. a better place?", and I understand the actual question, but Obama could never give these people a answer they would understand.

Presidents and government CAN NOT MAKE YOUR EVERY DAY LIFE BETTER. They(he, Obama) cannot all of sudden inflate your bank account. Only YOU can. And they dont see that.
All these complaints, bitching and moaning about how sucky their life is...come on...the rest of us dont live in Fairy Tale land either. But they swear we do because WE havent given up yet. Because we can still listen.
Because we dont give a shit if you let me go hunting for deer or not. Because WE dont give a shit if you pray in a Mosque, Church, Temple or Tabernacle Their are bigger things at stake. \

There are bigger things at stake.

And they all start with you and your family. Not with who is in the White House.

All this black vs white stuff is retarded. Black people(this is imo) understand how a majority or in a generalization the thoughts/fears of rural white america. We got over that shit a long time ago.
They need to take a book out of our page and GET OVER IT. Do you. Do what makes your family get to the next level(legally....some of us). If everyone helped themselves and THEN helped the next man/woman the country would be a better place. And Obama can set us on the right track to do that.

There isnt a "policy" in the world that can do that. Only another Human.

Damn near forgot my main point :P

Basically, too many United States citizens think they need someone to tell them how to act, how to think, and on some levels, you do need a heirarchy to set a standard. But if you dont understand how the rest of us, "common-sense" people are trying to accomplish then try and learn.

Or get the f*** outta the way.

Stay in your small town. Stay in your grimey hood. Stay in your 8x6 project. Stay selling your coke and braggin about it. Stay screaming "me, me, me, me...what are you going to DO for me".

Fear black people.

Fear hispanics.

Stay mad at white people.

Bow to every asian person you see.

And call it the day.

Leave the rest of us to push the species forward.

Just stfu while we do it.

Fa real.

--Think outside the neighborhood you live on. Think outside the city you see. Their is a whole world out their we could be exploring, but instead we are fucking it up on a global, political, ethnic, human scale.

Think outside of the cubicle.

The fact that you call this a "fairy tale," "myth," and "wishful dream" has me worried that you don't understand what Obama is doing. Of COURSE if you see it all as the candy-coated perfection implied in those words, you'll be disappointed.

Many of Obama's supporters are already quite aware that he is human, he is fallible, he is a politician, he will have to compromise. Why not?

The point is that he is also a LEADER. He has a consistent vision (a good one of a diplomatic America which offers equal opportunity for ALL its citizens) which doesn't change significantly from one month to the next. He has the ability to communicate it. He has the wisdom to ask Americans to participate in making headway--not fixing everything with a snap of the fingers, but starting us in the right direction.

That's more than enough for me.

"Did you know that Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC convention will come 45 years to the day of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech? Yup, the same MLK whose holiday McCain long opposed."

-Markos Moulitsas, Daily Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/


Also, there was a great picture in the New York Times from a Hillary rally showing people who would be happy with either Hillary or Obama. I love that unifying spirit:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/politics/08dems.html?ref=politics

Amber, thanks for that pic. It gave me a big smile. G'night!

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good luck with that

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I think you're glossing over the fact that Obama did climb into the tar pits, and will definitely be spending more time there in the near future. As for Wright, the big concern (for those who are concerned) is that Obama may be hiding a part of himself that agrees with Wright. Maybe time will tell. But your letter is very well written. Obama has alienated a lot of Democrats, and for the most part his supporters blame that on the alienated. He needs to do something about that. Putting Hillary on the ticket may be the only way he can win in November. But keep on hoping. That hope is going to be tested.

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eh, Obama has no accomplishments really to speak of that can't be attributed to his checking the AA box.

well, a few more well considered thoughts on affirmative action. Certainly, I would not compare African-Americans to monkeys. Let's take for example the bar exam. THERE IS NO WAY A MONKEY COULD PASS THE BAR EXAM. End of discussion. Now let's look at the bar passage rate for Howard University's law school. It has averaged around 50% for years, some years dipping below 50%. Compare that to a third-tier state school like U of Idaho, where the bar passage rate is about 85%. Clearly, there is a pattern here. Let's examine the numbers:

Monkeys: 0%
AA elite: 50%
Potato farmers: 85%

Now there is no way for monkeys to improve their bar passage rate. However, for AAs, it's not genetis, IT'S INCENTIVES. Affirmative action and its accompaniaments are a system of perverse incentives actually. There is no incentive to excel or to perform well on tests that test problem-solving ability. There is every incentive to wear a FUBU sweatshirt and say dumb ignorant shit, pretending that it's cutting edge cultural theory, and to engage in empty pathetic exercises like exchanging Kwanza cards.

Solution: easy, just let AAs compete on an open playing field, like everyone else. I'm betting they could handle it.

Let's see. "Obama has no accomplishments to speak of that can't be attributed to his checking the AA box."

You live up a hill in WV right? You're married to your cousin who you thought was the sister you molested. Right.

See how stupid racism plays out?

But most of all -- and I really mean this -- see how stupid you come off?

Please list your college degree. Yeah I know you have one by your ability to write like a spreadshitsheet. Just wondering which of the low brow institutions allowed you in with a GED.

Cypher,

The poster to whom you responded to has posted the same kind of virulent nonsense quite a number of times. It is better, I think, to ignore him.

If DNC inflicts this neophyte on us, I'm all tuned out.

From an article written by Obama in the NYT:

"You seem like a nice enough guy. Why do you want to go into something dirty and nasty like politics?" I was familiar with the question, a variant on the questions asked of me years earlier, when I'd first arrived in Chicago to work in low-income neighborhoods. It signaled a cynicism not simply with politics but with the very notion of a public life, a cynicism that-at least in the South Side neighborhoods I sought to represent-had been nourished by a generation of broken promises. In response, I would usually smile and nod and say that I understood the skepticism, but that there was-and always had been-another tradition to politics, a tradition that stretched from the days of the country's founding to the glory of the civil rights movement, a tradition based on the simple idea that we have a stake in one another, and that what binds us together is greater than what drives us apart, and that if enough people believe in the truth of that proposition and act on it, then we might not solve every problem, but we can get something meaningful done.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/books/chapters/1224-1st-obama.html

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