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Indiana Voter Suppression: 1 Million Purged

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Sec of State purges over 1 million voters, majority from black counties (college students too). 

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/73758.html

50% of voters purged? 

The Indiana GOP Sec of State Rokita doing democracy favors, again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/is-the-scotus-picking-ano_b_99201.html

Hes a leader in voter suppress- I mean voter fraud protection.  Attended the 2006 summit in DC.  Hes been active protecting voter "rights" by prosecuting voter fraud in mainly AA heavy counties (something the Ohio attorney wouldnt do for Rove and Co.)  A true champ.

And now, little (more) help for his friends. 



Comments (30)

SUPPRESS THIS

Voters were just confused because when they got in the booth they could no find a lever for "HOPE" or "CHANGE" and went home.


VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
NOT YOUR WHITE GUILTY CONSCIENCE

This story may need to be sourced a bit more.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/5/141313/9290/18/509493

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Thanks and good point. We will see how much is "good purging" it holds tomorrow. Timing is curious, also. How about voter ID, does it bother you? In the meantime:
http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/pdfs/Statewide_Voter_Count_by_County5.1.08.pdf

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/5/132653/6180/48/509463

While I think we should be on the lookout for voter supprssion tactics, I have to agree with the Daily Kos diarist:

"According the the most recent 2006 estimates, the state of Indiana has an approximate population of 6.3 million people. Given that probably at least a good 20-25% of that population would be too young to vote, a voter registration of 5.4 million would represent more than 100% of the voting age population of Indiana.

4.3 million would still represent a better than 90% registration, which is truly impressive in American politics. So if there were 5.4 million registered voters, it's a good thing some of them were purged from the rolls."


I commented a lot about this on DailyKos - wade through the comments here if you like, but I'll try to summarize:

- Indiana has for several years had a notoriously BAD voter registration list. States are required by NVRA (National Voter Registration Act of 1993, popularly knows as Motor Voter) to do list maintenance to account for moving voters (like removing duplicate registrations when a person moves within state) and deceased voters - Indiana has been out of compliance for quite a while. The state was even sued by the DoJ for NVRA non-compliance in 2006 and entered into a consent decree with DoJ to do some list cleaning.

- For example, at various points IN's voter registration list has contained nearly 5 million voters - this would exceed 100% registration when compared with Census estimates (granted, imperfect estimates) of voting eligible population (~4.4 million).

- IN's voter registration list, even after the purge, STILL contains 4.3 million registered voters according to the SoS website. So, while there may be some cases of voters being wrongly removed (though they are supposed to be notified by the SOS), I don't think this is a massive disenfranchisement effort. Granted, I don't exactly give the Indiana gov't the benefit of the doubt and I think these "cleaning" efforts should be monitored, but unlike Florida's controversial purges, this one seems justified.

- What's sad is that poor registration lists were one of the arguments put forward by the STATE to justify voter ID - so the state was saying, "yeah we didn't do our job, so we need a restrictive ID law to keep potential fraudulent voters from exploiting the mistakes we have made."

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Do you really want the votes of people who are either committing voter fraud, or are unable to provide a simple ID?

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The only people that I ever hear say things like "do you really want the vote of people who are unable to provide a simple ID" are Republicans. And, to answer your question, yes, I really want those votes. There are plenty of older people and minorities that do not have ID, for reasons that range from simple to complex. Most of the voter fraud (there isn't much) has involved absentee voting, and not in person voting.

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Why would anyone not want the votes of people who "are unable to provide a simple ID"? It's not a crime or a moral failing to not have a drivers license. The ostensible purpose of ID laws isn't to penalize people without ID, it's to make it harder for people to claim they are someone else. Perhaps you are just being imprecise, but your formulation (that simply not having an ID makes you an illegitimate voter) seems telling to me.

Were those votes counted in Florida in 2000, Gore wins. If anyone cares about that.

I waqnt every one to be able to vote. I think we should not have voter registration. Just use ink on your thumb like the Iraqis do.

Love this idea. If it's good enough for export, it's good enough to use here. Hell, their turn-out was higher that year, too!

Yes, because they are likely not fraudulent. Impersonation voting is so close to nonexistent as to be below noise level. And I thought we were past needing to be propertied, or men, or white, to vote. So why does one need an ID? You've heard of registering, right? You show up, your name is checked against the rolls. "Oh, you already voted!" How many times have we heard that? Zero.

In contrast, we often hear "You're not on the registered voter roll." That's vote suppression, and common.

Good point about using sources, which weakens my post because I'm just adding "I read somewheres." But I DID read somewhere that there's been very little evidence of voter fraud taking place by individual voters (despite the occasional Republican claim of Democrats "busing people in.") The greater threat is from the system itself, such as Diebold machines and, oh, hanging chads.

I hope people protecting us from voter fraud are looking into THAT, as well.

Funny, because every time there are problems with counting votes, such as in New York, California and New Hampshire, they always seem to reflect upon votes that would be cast for Barack Obama. Is that a coincidence?

No.

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Funny, because every time there are problems with counting votes, such as in New York, California and New Hampshire, they always seem to reflect upon votes that would be cast for Barack Obama. Is that a coincidence?

No.

A-L-L-E-G-E-D problems.

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More on other alleged suppression courtesy WVWV- surfaced by MUCKRACKER!

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/5/142339/3179/31/509504

I cant say they certainly tried to confuse voters, but I can say it smells like nine day old fish. Incompetent, now liars. I'll take bets on this one too.

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Voter suppression is best when under the guise of the law: State IDs, sounds fair, except most without IDs are AAs, disabled or senior. Robocalls seeming to advocate voting, confusing voter on location, rules (no felons), registration. Returned to sender caging mailings to "purify" voter rolls, except they target AA communities largely. Enforcing voter fraud laws so flimsy even GOP US Attorney "A Few Good Men" David wouldnt prosecute- to scare away voters.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003945.php

David lost his job in the attorney scandal largely due to this, replaced by the author of the GOP caging strategy himself and wholly inexperienced, who stepped down weeks later when it became public

My bet is that this is more of the same. This purge will go that extra mile in and student communities. Any takers?

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"in AA and.." Woops!

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Wow, a million voters. That's about 2/3 as many votes as were not counted in Fl. Now the way I understand it those are the rules in Indiana as set up by the state legislature and the Supreme court. As I have often been told one must simply accept the rules and shut up. Any questions about whether the rules are fair or democratic is not something worthy of discussion I do often have been told. The rules are the rules, if people are disenfranchised I've been told that's just tough, suck it up. I have little doubt the Obama supporters will be consistant and react the same way about these voter ID rules. Rules, as we seen here, are sacrosanct.

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oceankat:

" As I have often been told one must simply accept the rules and shut up. Any questions about whether the rules are fair or democratic is not something worthy of discussion I do often have been told. The rules are the rules, if people are disenfranchised I've been told that's just tough, suck it up. I have little doubt the Obama supporters will be consistant and react the same way about these voter ID rules. Rules, as we seen here, are sacrosanct."


Very well.

We will not dispute the purging of the voter rolls in Indiana...

If HRC will stop trying to get the FL and MI delegations seated at the DNC.

We're game if you are! :)

No? I thought not. >>>insert eyeroll emoticon here.

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We disregard the law & pass laws that say we can...
The motto of our fearless "leaders".

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Glad you agree. I would differ only in that dissent is healthy to overturn the rules in the future. Some "legal" suppression issues can be dealt with even before the general. Illegal ones can be dealt with as well, but your reps arent helping, two weeks ago they decided paper ballots werent necessary. This shouldnt be a biased issue! I want more info on reported illegalities in Tx caucuses too. Why do you sound more outraged about straw man hypocrisies than vote stealing?

PS- Florida will be seated.

Zogby says he wins in a landslide in both states.....why worry?

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It didn't suppress the vote in Ohio - record turnout for the primary.

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Who is talking Ohio 2008? Which Zogby poll has IN in a landslide?

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Well, whatever the truth of the matter (and I feel uneasy about the source of the material too), just the fact that there's a new voter ID law in Indiana is sure to cause some problems. The Obama campaign has monitors at many of the polling places in both Indiana and North Carolina today, who are there to help anyone with any difficulties they may experience. In addition, voters who experience difficulties with voting can call the Obama Voter Hotline: 866-675-2008, press 4, to report problems.

Even if a voter is challenged for not having proper ID in Indiana, they often will be able to cast a provisional ballot. They then have 10 days to produce an ID and/or to obtain an acceptable ID card (it's free at the Department of Motor Vehicles) and present it to their county election officials. The people at the Hotline number should be able to assist.

I have been horrified, though not astonished, at the complete lack of attention the MSM has given the Supreme Court ruling of late April that effectively sanctioned voter registration bias in Indiana. So I anticipated this article, if not the numbers cited, which fill me with despair.

Voter registration fraud is a clear and present danger. As are rigged voting machines and other forms of election result manipulation. If you are skeptical, then please read RFK, Jr.'s June 2006, 5-page, thoroughly footnoted article on the subject in the archives of Rolling Stone.
And I offer a personal eyewitness testimonial. Three months into the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan (which devastated Pensacola in August '04, a year before Katrina made hurricane damage ongoing national news) the local election commission offered a special "courtesy" to the population: we were invited to vote early, over a two-day period, if we were willing to vote at the court house. Many, many people showed up in the hope that the process would be more professionally and efficiently run than it tended to be in neighborhood polling places. What a surprise, then, to discover that the voting was being done on the 4th floor, although the elevators were mysteriously "out of order." In blistering heat, nonetheless, slow lines inched up the firestair wells, in which there was not a breath of air. Predictably, the elderly and the infirm began to wilt; they, as well as people on a tight work schedule (many of whom were black) began to waver and then, regretfully, give up. But there was more; on the fourth floor, there were more delays. Voter registration verification was being handled by well-known local GOP officials, who were rejecting IDs, faulting addresses, etc.. Curiously, many of the rejectees were black. College students were having problems. I (a female WASP) was greeted with a smile -- they must have assumed I was a Republican -- until I submitted my own voter registration card that marked me as a Democrat and then upped the ante by asking for verification that my husband's absentee ballot had been received and counted. No record of it could be found, although he had mailed it from his extended project in Europe well in advance. Finally it was my turn to vote. Oops. The machine to which I had been directed was "down." I was invited to go to the end of the line for the machine that was working. Eight hours after I arrived at the courthouse I left, wondering how many votes for John Kerry had been lost or subverted that day. Did I mention that a TV was on in the voting room that was tuned into Fox?
All this makes me wonder what the margin of victory will be for HRC today, versus what result would have been tallied for all the people who wanted to vote Obama?

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Me too. Also, I blogged here on it and no one read it, may be too esoteric for people to grasp, see comments above. And see the below pls, from HuffPo


INDIANA: That new Indiana voter ID law is working just fine:

At least 10 retired nuns in South Bend, Ind., were barred from casting regular ballots in Tuesday's Indiana Democratic primary election because they lacked photo IDs required under a state law upheld last week by the U.S. Supreme Court.


John Borkowski, a South Bend lawyer volunteering as an election watchdog for the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said several of the retired nuns had been voting all of their lives but were told they lacked the required photo IDs.

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