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IN Sec. of State final total: Hillary only won by less than 1%
FINAL INDIANA TALLY -- As per Indiana Sec. of State is:Hillary Clinton: 637,814 / 50.4%Barack Obama: 626,642 / 49.6%Diff. = 11,152 votes (less than 1 %)
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SO SHE LOST RIGHT! TELL ME IT'S SOOOOO!
(scream overheard from Michelle's limo)
Obama/Elvis '08
May 8, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
On election night there was smoe talk that the late absentee ballots from Monroe County where there are a significant number of students in Bloomington would break heavily for Obama - like 3:1 because a classes had ended and a lot of students voted absentee.
Also, it seems even clearer the Limbaugh's Operation Chaos was sufficient to push Hillary over the top. I'm glad Hillary is so cozy with the rightwing now.
May 8, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not clear whether it's Operation Chaos, Republicans crossing over to boost a candidate they think is more beatable or just Republicans registering a second choice, but exit polls show that 14% of the people who voted for Hillary Clinton in Indiana said that they would not vote for her in November if she were the nominee. Only about 5% of the Obama voters said they would not vote for him in November if he were the nominee. That's enough to account for her margin of victory several times over. Without them Obama would have won 52%-48%.
May 8, 2008 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did they factor in the Lakewood Voter Fraud?
Or Republicans voting for Obama (while shrewdly claiming they
were doing the opposite)?
Because the POLLS had her in clear victory.
May 9, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, well, "present", if the polls say so, it must be true. Just ask President Kerry.
May 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama only won Guam by seven votes...
May 8, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. He won NC pretty handily, though.
Keeping IN this close took a lot of hard work. If you worked for Obama in Indiana, my hat is off to you!
May 8, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great. NC is a state that will go republican, and it will not
help him one iota.
Only Clinton wins the states that count.
May 9, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if any primary "didn't count" Guam would be it. The fact that it was so narrow just made it even more irrelevant.
We all expected Obama to lose badly in Indiana, even I figured he'd lose by 10%. The fact that he almost won is a victory in my book.
May 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seven caucuses, not actual votes. I guess it is possible under the physics of CNM.(Clinton New Math)
May 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where did you get those numbers? All the numbers I see have Hillary with +644K votes.
May 8, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
">http://www.in.gov/apps/sos/primary/sos_primary08?page=office&countyID=-1&partyID=-1&officeID=36&districtID=-1&districtshortviewID=-1&candidate=> Final Results
I had the same problem at first ... they apparently don't have a .pdf made yet - but the top banner on their election information page takes you there.
It looks like the totals have been updated again since this post was made, so I'm not sure it is even final at this point. It's still around a 14K difference which is pretty small.
May 9, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I obviously don't know how to correctly make a link around here ... sorry.
I'll try one more time ... if this doesn't work :{
http://www.in.gov/apps/sos/primary/sos_primary08?page=office&countyID=-1&partyID=-1&officeID=36&districtID=-1&districtshortviewID=-1&candidate= > This might be the link?
May 9, 2008 1:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Indiana Secretary of State page doesn't have a working link for the 2008 Primary Election Results yet, so I'd take the "Final Indiana Tally" results with a grain of salt.
FWIW.
May 8, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grr. My kingdom for an Edit function...
May 8, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Minus the dittoheads and anti-choicers, Obama won IN.
May 8, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even using the current numbers at C, Hillary has 50.5% of the vote and Obama 49.9 - meaning the margin is 1% - not 2%.
May 8, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even using the current numbers at C, Hillary has 50.5% of the vote and Obama 49.5 - meaning the margin is 1% - not 2%.
May 8, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
He won my county in Indiana, by 4,846 votes: 59%-41%. I've seen at least 40 Obama signs in town and after the election, I finally located a Hillary sign.
The media around here seemed to be biased toward Hillary. It didn't help that the three Clintons might as well have lived here during the campaigning.
May 8, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hats off to all the volunteers in NC and IN. Great job. We owe all those hardworking canvassers and phonebankers our gratitude.
May 8, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
All it takes to phone bank fro Obama is an internet connected computer and a cellphone with spare minutes. You obviously have access to the first, if you also have a cellphone (or another way to make cheap/free long-distance calls) you too can help us Change the World.
May 8, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
My wife worked very hard for Obama here in Terre Haute. I am treating her *very* special this week.
May 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same here, thanks for all the volunteers who have worked so effortlessly for Senator Obama. My hats go off to you.
May 8, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hats off is right. Obama's supporters on the ground have been doing a fantastic job and I'm damn proud to be financing them.
May 8, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was part of a flood of people from the Chicago area. Went all the way to South Bend (2 hours), because they didn't need volunteers closer to Chicago, as far as I could tell. Ran into many Chicagoans in South Bend. If you live near an upcoming primary state and haven't done get-out-the-vote before, I recommend it. It's very gratifying, and the key is large numbers of people who each produce a few extra votes per precinct.
May 8, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes or make phone calls. It is great to talk to fellow Americans about issues that matter! They give you a phone script, and if you have never done it, challenge yourself and get involved! It really isn't that bad, once you get the hang of it, and you know, it's what wins elections, so we don't really have a choice!
May 8, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's rub it in, shall we? Let's gloat. She didn't really win. Hillary is the enemy. She only has the support of half the Party. We don't need 'em.
May 9, 2008 3:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Otto, vote for the candidate of your choice in November. Since I never expect people to vote for Party, you will hear the same arguments as the registered Indies and GOPers. I encourage you to do what you feel needs to be done to get the best POTUS in the White House.
I wouldn't begin to insult your intelligence by pandering to you. If you feel that Obama is now the Dem nominee, I have an assignment for you:
Please go to these websites and look at the policies:
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
http://www.johnmccain.com/
I'm not saying to vote based on policy alone, but it's important for you to become educated about, at very least, the two major party candidates.
I look forward in having discussions with you in the future.
May 9, 2008 3:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
You've been doing nothing by drive-by's here. Why would anyone take you seriously? You've even admitted that you don't even read responses. You probably won't even read this.
May 9, 2008 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have no sympathy for you. Would you like to apologize for your past behavior?
May 9, 2008 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Otto: Underneath your snide tone you're making an important point. The party needs to come together, so it's time now to stop attacking Hillary and annoying her supporters. However, that would be a lot easier to do if Hillary's supporters themselves were not continuing to drive wedges deeper into the party by, among other things, flooding the superdelegates with vicious anti-Obama emails and threats to defect to McCain in November. (See HuffPost for details.)
I'm making a real effort to be less hostile and snarky myself in communicating with Clinton supporters, but don't you think it might be time for you and others who like Hillary to let go of the injured-victim role, stop threatening party suicide and start asking yourselves how to help the country and the progressive cause?
May 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
**I think we only need the democratic ones. All the dittoheads can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.
May 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
11,152 votes. More proof that every vote counts.
May 9, 2008 4:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know it is facinating, but the Obama internal polls on the evening of the election (very early on) said they would lose by 10,000 to 11,000 votes. Pretty good proof that they are organized like a MoFo on the ground! I heard David Axelrod say it on MSNBC. That was when the numbers were looking much worse, and his insistance that this was the case was a large part of why they kept saying it was too early to call, long before they said it was too close to call. These guys have been so accurate about so many things, I think they actually affected the coverage.
May 9, 2008 6:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had forgotten that Axelrod did indeed say they would lose by "about 10,000" even when some of the pundits were toying with the idea that Obama might win IN.
It has been easy to dismiss Obama's success by calling it good luck but more and more it is apparent they are running a complex and widely successful political operation. I heard a reporter from I believe the Financial TImes say that last summer Obama was introducing himself to Wall Street. WHen asked about his lack of experience running anything he parried," just watch how I run my campaign." They had this all well planned out. Hillary had no clue a 747 was about to cruise right by her corporate jet.
May 9, 2008 6:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I vote for David Axelrod as Obamas Chief of Staff! He has done an EXCELLENT job of leading the campaign team. This is exactly the type of person that Obama will select in his cabinet and judicial appointments - honest, hardworking, good judgement, firm grip on reality. Unlike the Mark Penn's and Terry McCauliffe's of the world....
May 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who is this person...this Clinton? Obama is up against McCain.
May 9, 2008 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for the reminder.
May 9, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Race, Rev. Wright, "bitter gate", Fox news, ABC news, etc. None of that stuff matters nearly as much as organization and hard work.
May 9, 2008 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, they weren't stuffing the ballot box in lake county till late in the night. Sure.......I would hope that the Secretary of State in Indiana at least tries to investigate why it took so long to "count" votes there.
May 9, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ooops! you made a typo, its "FoKKKs (no)News"
to the OP renstimpy:
those numbers are pure fiction, none of the 4MSM have those numbers:
These are the more accurate numbers
Obama 630.399 49,44%
Clinton 644.594 50,56%
Total 1.274.993
Diff in percentage: 1,11%
By saying she's got 2 percent more (= 25.500 votes), she's assigned 0.89 % more than she actually got, or 11.347 votes.
May 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Louisville -
Produce some evidence for this. If it is true it needs to be brought to light. Otherwise you're just a slanderous troll.
May 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
No expert here. Just a casual observer. But, if bumfukkle Harrison County can report in less than two then Lake County.....well I smell a "jeb bush" there somewhere.
May 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
So again...
Where is the evidence? Have you ever worked an election or do you have any idea how the voting system works and how they are tallied and collected?
It was reported that there was a reason for the delay (overwhelming voter turnout, not enough poll workers originally assigned). I wasn't there and can't speak definitively, but having worked elections before that certainly passes the smell test.
When you factor in the actual reported breakdown of votes from Lake County (Clinton taking the outlying rural areas, Obama dominating the Gary area, following typical voting patterns we've seen and come to expect,) there doesn't seem to be any basis for a claim of fraud.
I know full well that election tampering can and does happen, but I'm just not seeing it here. I ask for evidence and your only claim is that because one county reports much quicker there must be fraud. I'm sorry, it doesn't hold up.
Harrison County had 36 precincts that registered 9,501 votes in the dem primary. Lake County had 559 precincts that registered 130,463 votes in the dem primary. Is it really so hard to figure out why it took longer to count the Lake County vote?
To make your case even worse, Lake County went Obama 56 to 44. Is this really so unlikely in a district with a) a huge black population and b) which is basically a suburb of Chicago?
No matter who you support, both sides need to draw the line and cut the bullshit. It isn't doing anyone any good to spread FUD. If you can't substantiate your claims (it took me about 2 minutes to find this evidence through Google) than you should not make them!
May 9, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Work elections every year. Have since 1975. hence. nevermind.
May 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the difference between Lake and Harrison is this. Lake has nothing but 4 lane roads, internet and cell phone service all over it. Harrison....isn't so lucky. Hence, vote counting and reporting should be far faster in Lake than Harrison no matter turnout since we aren't in the business of counting paper ballots...are we?
May 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
**So do you think they were stuffing Clinton votes?
May 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you really suggesting that Harrison County lacked the technological means to get the votes in? What the hell does cell phone service have to do with anything? Were the voting centers in Harrison County all down muddy dirt roads and the pickups got stuck bringing the ballots back to town?
BTW, here is the pretty nice GIS website that backwards old Harrison County has:
http://www.harrisoncounty.in.gov/egov/docs/1120224996940.htm
May 9, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Infrastructure has nothing to do with it. It has to do with preparation. If Lake County was under prepared and under staffed, as has been reported, it is perfectly logical that results would be delayed.
Given that the gap was only twenty points in a district Obama was HEAVILY FAVORED IN (25% black population, suburb of Obama's hometown), I don't see how you can claim with a straight face that there was ballot stuffing. Frankly, I'm surprised there wasn't a bigger spread.
May 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not twenty points, 12.
May 9, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Louisville -
I suggest you Google Lake County Primary voting. There are a number of stories up about what happened.
Basically it looks like bad decisions and not fraud. First bad decision counting 11,000 absentee ballots (this is a hand count that has to be done a number of times to insure accuracy) before releasing numbers from voting cartridges (electronic voting in Indiana) as they came in. Also attorneys from the Clinton, Obama and McCain camps I believe were present at the Lake County board of elections overseeing the count and no one from these camps has screamed fraud. That to me is the real telling sign.
May 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
By this logic, Obama clearly must have won California and New Hampshire because the polls had him in the lead, right? I mean election fraud is so much more plausible than pollsters getting it wrong, right?
Supporting a candidate is great.
Lying in support of a candidate is not.
May 9, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scott Harper's campaign (IL-13) organized and caravaned over 30 volunteers from the Chi. burbs to go to Lafayette Saturday for Barack . Most of us were white, over my 52 years, and two thirds were women. The demographic teevee assures me Obama can't get.
I'm proud to see Tippicanoe County went 59-41 for Obama.
I worked Lake County Monday and Tuesday along with a bunch of other city and suburban Dems I recognized from other campaigns. The good people of IN held it close enough to make it a pyhrric victory for her. I really think Obama can take IN in the fall and if he gets IN it;s gonna be a landslide.
May 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is NOT the final total. Provisional ballots will still be counted until 10 days after the election.
May 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Louisville 1975 - During the 2008 CA primary, many communities had slow vote counts. Does that mean Hillary was involved in "hanky panky", as was so infamously put out there by CNN?
May 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
There were more than a few communities that were slow in CA. No? All of Indiana save for his Chicago East Stronghold was slow. Why? I don't work in the Secretary of States'Office in Indiana so I don't know what happened. Turnout. Sorry thats not it.
May 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Lake County folks didn't do a very good job of fixing the election. He "only" won there 56-44. The Marion County folks put in a better effort--Obama won there 67-33.
On the other hand, maybe we weren't paying enough attention to all of those rural counties where Hillary won with over 65% of the vote (I'm lookin' at you, Scott County).
May 9, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, we've seen the inevitable errors and mistakes: poll workers unsure of the law (though the stupid voter ID law seems to be the chief culprit), too few voting machines in certain precincts,
too few ballots on hand....etc etc. Actually, Indiana went quite well,I think. But why can't Ohio and Florida ever get it right?
May 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw an interview with a woman who worked counting Lake County. She said:
"MICHELLE FAJMAN, ELECTION SUPV., LAKE COUNTY, INDIANA: They verify signatures from the application to the ballot. Then they separate those, then they open up the ballot envelope, then they look for two sets of initials on there to make sure it has been validated. Then they separate those out.
They co-mingle them, then they come over to a scanning team. We match them up to the report, make sure that our numbers match. If you have 25 ballots, you have 25 returns and so forth."
So it was very time consuming. When they heard the big fuss about getting the results out, they stopped the absentee ballot counting and put the regulat totals out.
May 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can everyone just calm down and realize that Obama is going to win all the same states that Hillary or any decent Dem candidate would in the general election?
Like California is really going to go to McCain because Obama didn't take it in the primary. That's not how it works.
On voting day, I sincerely hope Dem voters are not so stupid that they'll suddenly vote for four more years of the same thing we've been living through.
May 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
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