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If a Black Man Still Can't Get Served in a West Virginia Restaurant, How Can a Black Candidate Expect to Get Any Votes?
Before you start celebrating Hillary's win in West Virginia tonight, perhaps you should read this post by a West Virginia voter today on Daily Kos, and ask yourself what it is that you are celebrating.
wvtrailerdweller writes:
I went with my son, his first election,and my retired neighbors. I know my son and I voted for Obama, and I believe they both did, also, because they mentioned NOT voting for Hillary. There are two polling places in our tiny town, and people were at both, with the line actually growing as we were waiting at ours. There was talk that they'd never seen so many people for a primary.
I don't take that as too positive a sign, as everyone was over 60. I heard one man say that as a republican he had no one to vote for, so either he voted democratic, or was registered independent, not sure if you can cross parties, but independents had their pick of ballots.
We went into the oldest restaurant in town for breakfast, and I was trying to listen to the conversations, all among retired locals. They were joking about voting for Obama before they started hammering on the same old "talking points"(he's muslim, he's embarrassed by his horrible wife can you imagine her in the white house..., he doesn't face the flag...etc.) I didn't wonder if so many of them are riled by how well he's doing, that's what is driving turnout. As one old farmer got visibly upset I could see how frustrated he was by "those stupid, stupid people" as he described, well, us, I guess.
Oddly, we have a good sized gay community, and while many are weekenders, quite a few live up here, so I remain hopeful!
As to the racism issue, while eating our neighbor told us he had come there several years ago with men who were working on constructing a house, one of whom was AA, and he told the others they wouldn't be served as they walked in the door. The others including my neighbor were all from No. VA and thought he was being paranoid. Sure enough, no one ever came to their table. My neighbor's daughter raised hell before they left (and she's great at that!) but I was surprised at how recent that was AND that he was willing to return :(
I have say, both my neighbors said it was their first primary and they felt the need because they wanted to be a part of history being made, which I have to say I felt too. First time I ever got choked up when filling in a bubble.(We had a choice of electronic touchscreen or paper) It's a beautiful spring day, and there's excitement in the air!







Comments (81)
Again you have to resort to racism to explain why your candidate will lose WV. Clinton can deliver WV to the democrats, along with Florida and Ohio. What part of "loser" do you not understand?
Time is running out, but if we stick together we can turn this around. Hillary '08!
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/bizarro-day-at-tpmcafe.php
May 13, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jimmy Carter beat Ted Kennedy in 16 out of 20 primaries and then lost the election to Reagan in 1980.
There is zero correlation between winning primaries and winning the general. Anyway, the racist vote will go Republican in November, in contrast to now.
May 13, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Rosenberg, you should be ashamed of yourself! You are so ready to call other people racists. You call people in WV as racists for voting overwhelmingly for Hillary. What do you call black people voting for Obama at 90-8? Don't you have decency to allow the good people of WV other reasons for supporting Hillary such as she has more experience, he snubs them, and etc.
It should be beneath you to express your anger at a forum of yahoos!!!
May 14, 2008 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
You call them smart. The Clintons had an overwhelming MAJORITY of AA voters on their side until Bill Clinton made remarks that significantly HURT the Clinton campaign amongst AAs. The recent remarks made by Hillary in USA Today only reinforced the sentiment in that community. Had the Clintons not thrown away the African American vote via their crude remarks we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Please refrain from suggesting AAs vote as a block racially for the AA candidate. They vote as a block against the candidate who has gone out of her way to act disrespectfully towards them.
May 14, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't think racism played a role in Obama's huge loss in WV, or next week in KY (or in SE Ohio in March), you are terribly naive and have your head in the sand.
May 14, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
For the record, I didn't vote for either of them, Hillary or Obama. But as someone who currently hails from Pittsburgh (and have for the past 9 years) and as someone who knows a great number of West Virginians (owing to our close proximity), I felt the need to weigh in on this topic.
I can tell you that the main reason most of the white people who are Democrats in WV (as well as the ones in rural PA, for that matter) voted for Hillary and not Obama is Obama's race.
I've heard it from the horses' mouths, so to speak. "There's no way I'd vote for that nigger... I'd rather vote for that woman than him..." You would be amazed at how often I have heard almost precisely those words.
So for all you who discount racism as a prime reason for Obama getting pounded in WV, you're either ignorant to the facts on the ground, or you're delusional...
May 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is about the most intellectually lazy bunch of nonsense I've heard all day.
May 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
He wasn't expressing anger and he didn't call WV voters anything. Learn how to read.
May 14, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can't stick together and we can't turn it around. Hillary is toast.
May 13, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Way to commit Bizarro Allsburg!
May 13, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bizallsburg got MJ. Nice.
May 14, 2008 6:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
"What part of "loser" do you not understand?"
The part of "loser" that we do not understand is why Hillary Clinton has not yet gracefully conceded that she has lost. She rather clings to pandering to racist white bigots as her "core" constituency. What she and many of her supporters do not seem to understand is that she has made herself unelectable through her negative campaigning, through her constant shifting of goal posts, through her blatant lies. She lied about Bosnia for no good reason and when nailed, claimed she misspoke, her husband claimed she was sleep-deprived. The truth about Bosnia is on the record, her repeated lying in this case is on the record. Now how do you want someone to vote for her to answer the phone at 3 am? We are not that crazy. She convinced us that Ms Power was right, that Ms Clinton will stoop to anything to get elected. Ms. Clinton lost big time all over the US and she has only one party to blame for that, herself and her campaign. When being lied to, I want to be lied to convincingly, not in the blatantly stupid style of Ms. Clinton that insults my intelligence.
May 14, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
EVERY time I hear this argument I expect to hear, "and what about the black vote? What about the progressive vote?"
If the Democratic party wants to be the party entirely of social conservatives, Bush-loving Americans, then we need a new party. That the party as a whole stayed silent while Hillary played this race-baiting card to the hilt, is disgusting. And to think that progressives will see any real difference between Hillary and McCain on anything other than the Supreme Court is an important consideration. If we deliver a big enough Senate majority, we can tie McCain's hands if we have to. However, I much prefer President Obama.
Don't think Hillary has a lock on FL. That's a Republican state, people.
Obama's polling just dandy in OH. And Obama learns, adapts, and will make his case.
Electoral maps are not written in stone. The Clintons are slaves to past trends. This election will be different.
May 14, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bizarro - I respect your enthusiasm for your candidate and I see from yor CV that you are no dunce. What you fail to understand about those of us who disagree with you is the nature of the antipathy some of us equally educated liberal Democrats have for the Clintons. Some of us who are closer in age to them than to you have never viewed them as liberals. Their path to power has been a Faustian bargain in which they have had to forfeit their ability to stand clearly for anything other than opportunistic triangulation. I respect them for their achievements but I have no confidence that they would do anything with conviction other than tack with the political winds. She may be a capable politician, but she stands for nothing beyond expediency.
May 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry to disturb you, prof. It's my bizarro sense of humor.
I always post this link, but no one ever seems to look at it. If they did, all would become clear.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/bizarro-day-at-tpmcafe.php
May 14, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barry is such a sore loser.
May 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huh?
"Bizarro", indeed. Racism is real, and though it's damned near impossible to quantify how it helped Clinton and/or hurt Obama last night in WV, it doesn't mean that it's not a valid topic of conversation. Deal.
May 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol, what an idiot. It is racism stupid! You just make yourself look like a total hack by trying to deny it. And you think Hillary could deliver WV to the Democrats in November? You do realize that Bush beat Kerry in WV by 13% right? Oh, of course you don't know that, because you just talk out your ass with Hillary talking points, you don't know what are you talking about and you don't care, because knowing what you are talking about isn't a job requirement of being Hillary's lapdog is it?
Yap yap, run along now.
May 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Big states are the only things that can win us the election, if he loses them in the primary, it shows that he can't win them in the general! We have no choice!
May 13, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Bizarro Gupta. My point exactly!
May 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should we take up a donation and send the baby a history book?
No daddy. It's can't read yet.
May 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is so blatantly untrue it's ridiculous in the truest sense of the word.
There is absolutely no correspondence between an ability to win a state in the primary to winning a state in the general election.
No matter who the nominee is certain BIG states always vote Democratic.
New York and California come to mind. One need only to look at recent history for more Big D States.
May 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go here, and be enlightened:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/bizarro-day-at-tpmcafe.php
May 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is not true. It's a false analogy. Barack Obama will not be facing Hillary Clinton in November. He will be facing John McCain. Democrats and Dem-leaning voters who supported Hillary in their state primaries are much more likely to support Barack in November than McCain. And Barack is the clear preference to McCain among all US voters by a comfortable margin. Once Hillary bows (or is pulled, screaming and clawing the door with her fingernails) out of the race, the Obama/McCain dynamic will become much clearer.
May 13, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
(Some people just don't realize it is Bizarro Day at TPM.)
May 13, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
May 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reading snippets like these, I'm about to hang myself from a tree. I was born and raised in a small Pennsylvania town that was a twenty minutes' drive from the West Virginia border. I can tell you that I grew up watching grown men who called themselves Democrats driving trucks with Confederate flag bumper stickers and window decals down Main Street. I worked for several years with a man who called himself "Rebel" and proudly bedecked himself in all sorts of Stars-and-Bars paraphernalia. I seriously doubt he could even have told you when the Civil War was fought, much less given you any sane or comprehensible explanation of what it was all about.
My only consolation is that I moved away from there years ago. I'm sickened.
May 14, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having grown up in western PA, moved away for eight years, then returned, I'm appalled to see taht while much of the rest of the country has moved forward, my home region has regressed. There is so much work to do here.
May 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
There certainly is, and it is very sad. I was raised in Uniontown, currently living in Pittsburgh.
May 14, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
May 13, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wrote in a post yesterday about taking my car to a repair shop on the MD/WV border, in WV. I have an Obama sticker on the bumper and one mechanic said he wouldn't work on the car. Another asked me if I was Muslim (I am a very white looking middle aged woman, so the odds were I was not). He said he wouldn't work on the car either if I was a Muslim. I found another shop to do the repair. I don't think people appreciate how ugly racism can be in some parts of this country, which is why it is INEXCUSABLE for HRC to pour gas on the fire. People can get hurt.
May 13, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suggest we work our tails off, get him elected, and maybe all these folks will move to Canada.
May 13, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey that isn't fair. What have the Canadians done to you that you want them punished with white racists as their neighbors?
May 14, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where is Virginia 9th? We might be neighbors.
May 14, 2008 4:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously dude, I didn't see any answer yesterday. Whats the deal with you and WVA?
May 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I was in WV a few years ago, with three friends who are (foreign) white guys, we didn't have any problems getting served anywhere in rural WV. Except the one time I went into a computer shop in Elkins, while the guys waited outside in the car. There were three white men in the shop. When I walked in, I said, "Good morning." They stared at me. No response. "Good morning," I said again. "How's it going?" They just kept staring at me, not moving or speaking. "Well, um, I was just wondering whether there's anywhere in town that we can get internet access?" No response. It was kinda creepy. "OK, well, I'll be going now," I said (no response), and I left.
After that, every time I got out of the car, one of the guys would come up with an excuse to go with me.
I've heard there are some really nice people in WV, and we were only there for a week, in the rural mountain bits. But my experience was definitely missing the friendliness I've always gotten from people in small towns. Usually, people are really warm to me. They can tell I'm from the big city and just passing through, but they're usually really warm and nice. At least, that's been my experience in rural bits of New York, Virginia, Oregon, Colorado, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec etc. Usually, I find that people in small towns are extra-friendly. In WV, not so much.
On the other hand, in other places, the local people probably aren't thinking, "Damn New Yorkers. They look down on us. They like to tell each other, 'It's like Deliverance. They marry their sisters there, you know.'" And it's true, New Yorkers do love to say that about WV.
It doesn't mean that every white West Virginian who votes for Clinton is racist. It's just sad that Clinton is messaging to WV and KY voters on that basis.
May 13, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you guys kidding? WV voted for Huckabee.
They're not to be taken seriously.
May 13, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is time we reclaim our party. The more I learn about behavior such as described in this article, the more I am glad that my candidate is doing so poorly here.
Hillary Clinton will go anywhere and say anything to get a vote, so it is only fitting that "these people" flock to her.
It is also time for America to stop messing around and start living up to her ideals.
May 13, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reclaim your party?
What party?
You destroyed it.
May 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am ashamed and disgusted by all this talk about colored folks. Everybody knows there are plenty of decent ones around, and I am sure Obama is one of them, he just doesn't have any business being president. The ones who talked him into this fool notion should be ashamed.
I reckoned that I never thought I would vote for a woman for president in my lifetime, but I see what is going on here. They say Bill Clinton cannot run again which I don't understand, we are not communist russia. But instead he has his wife running for him, and she is one brave little woman, I will give her that. Once it is over she will go back to taking care of the house like any woman naturally would and Bill will run the president part again.
Why don't people understand. I thought city people were supposed to be sophisticated but it's all bizarro this year.
May 13, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope this is sarcastic,
May 13, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Colored folks? Racism and sexism are alive and well everywhere. It is hard to maintain a hopeful perspective. The news media is responsible for keeping hope alive in Camp Clinton, as they would like this to go on forever to fill the 24 hour news cycle. They feed peoples unfounded hopes, distort the truth, and make treachery and racism acceptable under the guise of only bringing forth the facts. Any story can be twisted and manipulated, and if HilLIARy secures this nomination, she will have racism,subterfuge,and treachery to thank for it. what a lesson to our children, why lose gracefully when you can cheat, distort, and scare your way to victory. If you don't like the way things go, you can go "Back to the Future" like Wolfson, Mc Auliffe, and Clinton, you know, the giants. I am physically ill from watching HRC and her version of the "facts."
May 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
note the last sentence....
May 13, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a howl listening to all the hand wringing here and elsewhere about Hilary can't win this, Obama can't win that.....I suggest y'all hop over to redstate.com and listen to the Repukes. They sound like an echo of here. With all that dispair and hand-wringing, maybe Bob Barr thinks there's an opening. Come on, folks. John McCain can win only if the average Democratic voter (and forget West Virginia, forget Kentucky) forgets that McCain and the Repukes are the enemy.
And the most interesting news tonight isn't West Virginia. It's Mississippi, where the Dems took the House seat in a solidly Red district. And boy, is the NRCC in a tizzy over its third straight loss.
So, come on, quite splitting the hairs. Let the idiots that will find some reason to stay home or vote McCain do it, there's always Dems that do it anyway (since when have the Reagan Democrats ever showed up?). We can do it, but it will have to be together.
May 13, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am disgusted by the racism on this thread. However, how important it will turn out to be ... probably not very.
This sheds a whole different light on why Obama didn't campaign there, he probably didn't wanna get lynched or something? ;)
May 14, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for speaking up. These stories need to be told. The "your playing the race card" argument and the "you're calling all of Hillary's supports racist" argument is being used to cover up the truth here. Of course not all Clintno supporters are racists, but this ugly behavior needs to be called out for what it is.
May 14, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Washington Post has an excellent piece up on the topic:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051203014.html?nav=hcmodule
Even Maureen Dowd is pondering:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/opinion/14dowd-1.html?hp
May 14, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for sharing this story. I am incredibly disappointed in Hillary for her enthusiastic celebration of a victory that is certainly driven by this kind of thinking. I have been half listening to the cable news all night and am shocked they can't seem to simply come out and say this is racist. They say he hasn't found a way to reach them or that they don't trust him.
May 14, 2008 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
The exit polls for WV said that Race was a factor by 85%
How can people still say race isn't a factor
May 14, 2008 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
No I won't read the post. If you choose to believe this was all about race, then you live in a world where you can only be bitter. If you project your own feelings onto everyone, then everyone will always appear to act exactly as you expect them to act. If electing Obama was all about electing a black man for you, then I suspect his election will not be enough to make you put down your hatred.
May 14, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd be embarrassed to support a candidate who gets the ignorant and racist vote. He's a Muslim terrorist with a Christian preacher?? I mean WTF people?
If you can live with supporting a candidate that seems willing to pander to this segment of the population, I don't care if you go join the lunatic bigots in the other party and vote for John McCain. Consider it a purge.
May 14, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
In deciding your vote for president today, was the race of the candidate:
Clinton Obama
The single most important factor 85 10
One of several important factors 79 14
Not an important factor 59 34
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226014
May 14, 2008 2:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
What does the WHITE man and BLACK man have in common?The Good Lord made them both,To the people in WV please bury your HATE!!!Because your maker sees NO COLOR he only sees whats in the Heart!!!
May 14, 2008 3:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
From CNN:
May 13, 2008
Why West Virginians turned out for Clinton
Posted: 10:45 PM ET
From CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt
Clinton’s West Virginia supporters say they weren't swayed by grim pundit assessments.
CHARLESTON, West Virginia (CNN) –There was never much of a question about who would win the West Virginia primary. The electorate is made up of older, white, blue-collar voters that have become Hillary Clinton's base.
But they've also been hearing a week of speculation that Obama's path to the nomination is inevitable. So why turn out?
"I think she's got the experience to get us out of a deep hole," said Johnny Nance, a preservation contractor who owns the building in Huntington where Clinton has a campaign office. "You can't win this country's [presidency] without winning West Virginia. We've picked them the whole 20th century," added Nance before saying he'd support whomever the Democratic nominee is.
"She's brilliant," said Veda Hughes, 58, joined by three friends at Clinton's victory party Tuesday night.
Does the impression the New York senator can't win bother her? "Heck no! No! We're in this 'til the end, it doesn't bother us at all!"
"I think Obama is a wonderful speaker and I love what he says but I think Hillary has the experience, she knows what's going on. She tells what she's going to do," added companion Amy Wade, 35.
Several people pointed to potential baggage Obama could carry into the general election.
"I don't think his wife has been a credit to him, I don't think his minister has been a credit to him," said Diane Givens.
Surgical technician Jeremy Elswick, 30, agreed that Wright was a negative and said Obama didn't do enough to woo the voters of West Virginia. "He just seemed like he had his nose up in the air. She seems like she's for the blue-collar people of West Virginia."
Clinton heads to Oregon — considered Obama-friendly territory — on Friday before campaigning in Kentucky, a state whose demographics are very similar to West Virginia's.
May 14, 2008 3:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Again with the racism. And these phony, unattributed stories. No restaurant name, not even the name of the town.
You guys have really drunk the kool aid. To slander the whole population of a state, to make up false stories and such. Unbelievable. It would be nice if some AAs who actually lived in West Virginia would put a stop to this nonsense.
I've traveled all other eastern Kentucky, played a lot poker there in back rooms of pool halls, next to the cockfighting pit, you name it. You see blacks everywhere freely associating with whites.
Nonsense. Stop it.
May 14, 2008 4:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the known members talking about how they would only be acknowledged when with white people, and the stories printed in the New York Times?
May 14, 2008 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's no more responsible for the racist beliefs of some of her supporters than Obama is for Reverend Wright's sermons.Or rather for the carefully edited clips from them.
She won. She had a good night. We should take a cue from Obama and when we lose , lose with dignity. One component of which is not implying that most of those who voted against him are racists.
You go to the polls with the electorate you have.
Come Nov 4 if tonight's Hillary majority puts him over the top in WV ,we'll thanks them and not look too closely at their motives.Votes count, not exit polls.
May 14, 2008 4:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's no more responsible for the racist beliefs of some of her supporters than Obama is for Reverend Wright's sermons.
That's true, but when you lie down with bigots ("as far as I know...", "hardworking Americans, white Americans..."), you don't have the right to act surprised when people accuse you of bigotry. She's cast her lot in with them, so she gets to reap both the reward and the penalty.
May 14, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
AS I NEED NOT ABIDE HERE BY THE STRICTER BOUNDS OF TASTEFUL POLITICAL DISCOURSE, I must say I hope the Democratic Party as a whole solidly understands that we can do a different fall victory map which does not include the unfortunately undereducated, ass-backward, n**er-hating, redneck ignoramuses of West Vuhrginya.
Does Hillary really want us to believe Democrats should abandon our future for the sake of this bunch of nitwitted morons?
In defense of my harsh words let me just add that I recently watched a news clip interviewing West Virginians on the street and 3-to-1 they expressed sentiments such as 'Ah'm afraid o' thu black muslim..'.
If Hillary is proud of this, then that Saturday Night Live skit is looking more prescient.
May 14, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Come on. Hillary isn't responsible for the sentiments of her supporters.Anymore than Obama is. And Obama is going to need support in November from a lot of people like those who voted against him yesterday,( altho not necessarily the ones chosen by the camera crews for their willingness to disgrace themselves.)
Including the bigots ? Forgetabout it. McCain and Bob Barr are welcome to them if they want them. And I hope they don't.
But the rest of his doubters aren't Obama's obstacle , they're his target of opportunity. He's not going to get elected by blaming the unconvinced, he's going to get elected by convincing them.
And for starters, let's convince ourselves.White working class guys with a high school education fix my plumbing , shingle my house and man our volunteer fire department. Seem all right to me.
Probably you know a lot of them too.
And some of them can be convinced to vote for Obama , I'd guess. But not by calling them names.
May 14, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
From my post last night:
It appears that Obama has a big problem in Appalachia. I wrote about this back before the PA primary (western PA runs along the foothills of the Allegheny Range of the Appalachian Mountains), and it appears that the sentiments that run through West Virginia are pretty much the same as those I've experienced first hand here in PA.
I just read Josh's excellent piece on the front page, and I'm glad he printed the maps of the Appalachian region. It's a pretty clear overlay when you compare the area where Hillary received over 65% of the vote, and the region that the Appalachian Mts. run through.
This is a region that has known poverty and isolation for a long time. The industries that used to exist here are long gone, the educational systems are some of the worst in the country, and the decay that has set in is older and worse than probably anywhere else in the country.
Josh also posted these stats on the front page:
25% of Hillary's supporters in WV openly admit that race played a factor in their decision. One has to imagine that the number is actually a bit higher, as not everyone is as honest about this.
I many ways, it's Obama's "bitter" observation in a nutshell. There is a lot of fear and mistrust that is born of extreme poverty. Just check out the CNN or NY Times county maps of WV to see just how low the median income is in most of the WV counties.
The big question now, of course, is what can the Democrats and presumptive nominee Obama do to help the people of Appalachia not vote against their own interests?
May 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps the clarity of this Appalachian problem will also make it clear that Obama might need a Jim Webb on his ticket, out there helping to assure voters in this region that Obama is not a threat to them. If and when Hillary concedes to Barack she should be doing this duty as well.
May 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Jesus Christ could campaign for Obama in Appalachia and it wouldn't do much good. Not that Obama shouldn't keep retooling his message. He certainly should. But I think you have to know where your main chances are.
May 14, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus would have to get a crew-cut and trade his robe for overalls, or they wouldn't let him in the restaurant, either.
May 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. He'd be a liability.
May 14, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let those diots vote against their interest,they are the ones it will hurt. Obama and his family will alway be rich,he is a winner and the world know who he is,those losers will always be the racist losers that they are and who the hell would want to eat from such people.
May 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
This really helps unify the party, calling a whole state racist because they voted for one candidate over another and calling Hillary Clinton's supporters racists. I'm a Hillary supporter who will proudly cast his vote for Barack Obama in November because I'm a Democrat and I like him. I'm a white, rural Southern male and I've supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries because I believe she's the best candidate.
Reading some of these comments about "nitwitted morons" and "redneck ignoramuses" only reinforces the false negative stereotype of liberals that Republicans have been trying to peddle for years. This is just disgusting and offensive.
I wish we could show respect to the supporters of the other candidate instead of trying to dissect their bases of support to draw inferences about what kind of people they are.
May 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, we're calling the state racist because every account coming from the state indicates that this is a truthful assessment.
May 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Part of the problem here is that HRC's comments about her support among "white Americans" has opened Pandora's box. It's going to be ugly from here all the way down, but let's remember how it started.
May 14, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be clear, I'm not calling an entire state racist. What I wan to point out is that, based on the stories from Obama campaign workers and from WV voters, racism is much more prevalent in this region than in other parts of the country. It's a problem. We don't do anyone any favors by ignoring it or attempting to shout down those that are shining a light on the problem.
What is the cure for racism and bigotry? Information. Education. Jobs. Healthcare.
May 14, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the umpteenth time, black people are not "AA"s. Pick up any copy of Ebony, Jet, Essence, Black Enterprise or any other magazine, book, or newspaper written by or for African-Americans and you will NEVER see the term used. Those of you who repeatedly use the term in your posts make it painfully clear that while you pontificate on black people, you obviously don't know us well as individuals or as a group to treat us with respect.
With that said, there are other factors to consider concerning voters in West Virginia and Kentucky that are more complex than either race or class. Many of the residents in the more mountainous counties in both states are heavily invested in their local narco-economies. Which candidate would be most likely to maintain the status quo in terms of criminal drug investigations?
May 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa, that's a huge topic in itself, and deserving of its own post!
May 14, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I see that this post has reached the 24-hour mark and will soon disappear. It gained a lot more traction than I thought it would, so thanks to everyone who commented or rec'd it!
May 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you!
May 14, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
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