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How Hillary Lost This Black Vote (And Maybe Many Others)
One of the most remarkable things about this Democratic primary season has been the almost complete defection of the African-American vote from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama. She started out with about 80% of the Black vote, but in the last two primaries, Obama has won 92% of the Black vote.
There are simple explanations (for example, Black voters are voting for a Black candidate). However, the truth is much more complicated. I don't pretend to speak for all Black voters, but I can definitely write with some knowledge about how my vote was lost to her. Perhaps, this discussion will also lead to some conclusions about how this massive swing occurred.
First, let me talk a little about my background, so you can understand where I come from. I'm a 34-year-old African-American male. I have been interested in politics since I was eight years old, making posters for the mayoral race in East St. Louis, Illinois, where I grew up. For the purposes of context, in the 1990 census, East St. Louis had 99.8% Black population.East St. Louis is part of St. Clair County. I've always said my home county has two political affiliations available: Democrat, and Deceased. So, my leanings aren't terribly difficult to discern. I have been known to vote a split ticket on occasion, but when it comes to the top of the ballot? Nothing but left, baby!
I've always been skeptical that a Black candidate could ever be President in my lifetime. Despite a lot of hometown enthusiasm for Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, I told any adult who would listen that Jackson had no chance of being elected. I felt he was not someone that White voters would want to elect. (Back then, words such as "polarizing" and "electability" weren't in my lexicon.)
When Hillary Clinton decided to run for President, I figured she couldn't miss. After all, she'd have the name recognition, the War Room alumni at her disposal, tremendous connections, and the most powerful Democrat in the country as her surrogate-in-chief. She'd also get to face a weak GOP nominee, given that national disgust with The Decider was growing daily.
I took brief notice of a Senator who announced his candidacy in January 2007. "Barack Obama?" I thought, racking my brain for information. I know he was the second Black to be elected to the US Senate from Illinois, and that he'd given a well-received speech at the national convention in '04. Other than that, I knew absolutely nothing of him.
Meanwhile, I didn't see any reason not to vote for Hillary. Yes, I knew she had some shadiness in her past. But I figured she was the strongest candidate, and I knew that my family couldn't financially survive more Republican rule.
I figured Obama would be competitive in the four early contests, but I really thought Super Tuesday would end his candidacy. I just thought the Clinton machine would crank up for that day and give her a monster lead.
I was surprised at Bill Clinton's comments after South Carolina. Yes, it's not that surprising that the state went for a Black candidate. However, I never thought that Slick Willie would slip on the racial banana peel.
Then, I realized one day what really bugged me about Clinton's "fairy tale" comment and comparison of Obama to Jackson. I never thought Bill was a racist. However, I knew he was race-baiting in his comments. He was essentially trying to reassure White voters that Hillary's loss in South Carolina was to be expected due to the Black vote there.
That prompted me to take another look at the Clintons' history. After all, past is often prologue. I started to remember some of the scandals - and recalled that very little of Hillary's history had ever really been explored. That was the first time I ever really considered voting for anyone other than Hillary.
Then Super Tuesday dawned. By the end of the day, Obama had effectively battled Clinton to a draw, which absolutely floored me. I began to seriously consider the possibility that Obama could, you know, WIN.
However, I didn't want to waste my vote. I didn't want to back a candidate who I thought might not win the general election. So, although my background research on Clinton left me nervous, and Obama was rolling up a string of primary wins, I still felt that I would go for Hillary.
Then, the Wisconsin primary happened. As an Illinois native who spent several years in Rockford before moving to Pennsylvania, I knew firsthand that Wisconsin, demographically speaking, couldn't have been much better for Clinton. Wisconsin had been Jesse Jackson's Waterloo against Michael Dukakis. I didn't expect Obama to fare any better against Hillary Clinton.
Final score: Obama 58%, Clinton 41%. When CNN called the race with less than 1% of the vote in, my wife had to reattach my lower jaw. I was absolutely stunned. I looked at my wife and said, "Obama could actually win the whole damned thing. He could really win."
That night is when I started to research his campaign in depth. I pored over his policy proposals, reviewed his legislative record, and played through all his major speeches. The more I heard, the more impressed I was.
What truly began my conversion, though, was seeing his rally crowds. The racial mix in the crowds was absolutely shocking to me. I saw Whites, Blacks, Hispanics and Continentals cheering him on. I saw Abercrombie & Fitch alongside Dickies. I saw Armani alongside thrift-store. I saw people from all walks of life. They all had a common desire and a common purpose. I immediately thought of those classroom and barber-shop political discussions back in the spring of 1988, and realized that Obama was able to draw from much more than the "Rainbow Coalition".
Finally, though, the Geraldine Ferraro uproar - and Hillary Clinton's tacit acceptance of Ferraro's ridiculous statements - put me firmly in the Obama camp. The day Ferraro basically threatened the Democratic Party as part of her resignation from Clinton's campaign, I made my first donation to Obama For America. The ensuing months have done nothing but reinforce my decision.
As I talk to other Blacks, many of them echo similar sentiments:
"I didn't think he could win..."
"I can't believe he's beating the Clintons..."
"I didn't think he could get so many White votes..."
Yes, Black voters noticed Bill Shaheen, the South Carolina comments, the Somali tribal garb photo, "...as far as I know", and things like that. But the bottom line is, Black voters are diverse. We've been a reliable Democratic constituency, but we have widely varied reasons for voting Democratic. We want to back a winner, and we haven't been able to do that since '96.
There are many theories about what's happened this year. Most of them center around the signs of race-baiting from the Clinton campaign. That is a powerful theory. However, what I believe - and will speculate on, based on my experience and lots of conversations - is that Blacks were waiting for the answer to this question: "Can Barack Win?"
Obama reached out to us, along with every other racial constituency. We watched Clinton as she began to align more and more with the Republican side. We watched Clinton as she tried to make a racial concern issue out of her appearance at the State of the Black Union. We watched Clinton's rallies, where she drew mostly white women, and realized that we wouldn't be comfortable at those events.
Finally, we watched Clinton triangulate, prevaricate and obfuscate her way through this primary season. Maybe, after years of being treated as children by our elected representatives, we just decided to vote for someone who would talk to us like adults. Now, coupled with that assumption is some toxic behavior from the Clintons that's turning off voters of all hues.
In the end, I believe Hillary Clinton assumed that we'd be there for her when needed, and allowed her campaign to exude indifference to everyone except her sisterhood. Barack Obama knew he needed everyone, and wanted to build an electoral base that would stretch across the chasms of race, economic status and politics.
I know which strategy I want to support. And I think a lot of other African-Americans feel the same way.
Come to think of it, a lot of Americans feel the same way, period. So, maybe in the final analysis, true leadership and decency just attract people irrespective of race. It's a concept that just doesn't fit in the poll-tested, micro-trended campaign strategery of Hillary Clinton, which is why she never really grasped it in the first place.


Comments (267)
I second your post. I was part and parcel of the African American club of Obama doubters. I thought he would lose in Iowa and New Hampshire would seal his fate. I decided that I would vote for Sen. Edwards instead of Sen. Clinton.
This is the first time in my voting life that I have had such an intense conversation about politics with my mother. She has repeated much of your missive. She is totally amazed and she said if Clinton receives the nomination by foul means, she refuses to vote for Clinton. I am bit more reasonable on whether I will vote for Clinton or not because I know that the Supreme Court is due for a new round of justices. After Antonin Scalia made the rounds this weekend I am sure that when I cast my ballot, I will be for the Democrat.
I found this excellent articleabout about the intersection of misogyny and racism in this nominating process.
May 5, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Look folks, eyes open time. Obama renounced half of his personal "Fairy Tale" this week, his own fairy godfather. He's spent a good amount of energy this year spinning away from his Chicago past. His time in Chicago education was spent avoiding conflict. The "hope" meme is dead, now the public wants cheap gas and solutions to the housing crisis & recession. Good for Barry, he rode that horse through Super Tuesday, time to trade it in.
What did Clinton say about Jackson? "He ran a good race". Meaning? "Don't count your chickens before they hatch." Jackson won SC in 1984 and faded out. Jackson won SC in 1988 and held on much stronger but still couldn't close the deal. Obama? Won SC in 2008 and man it's so close he can taste it. But it ain't over yet, no matter how much Obama wants it to be, now matter how much his fans scream for Hillary to quit. Now is that so goddamn racist of the old man to tell the young punk? "Get ready for the long haul"?
Now, Kravitz below is busy posting articles probably to show how Clinton used race for craven political purposes. Did he? Good for Blacks - Black poverty went from 33% to 21% under Clinton, Black participation in government, especially high level administration seats, sky-rocketed. Black home ownership went up, Black income rose tremendously, Black crime went down tremendously (though with the huge increase of Black incarceration, not a minor issue). If Blacks can get another candidate in to cater to their wishes as well, they should vote for him/her.
Those are results. You want to trade that for the hope of Obama? What did Barack Obama do besides register some people to vote? He was Chairman of the Board for 8 years for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a $50 million endowment to improve education. Haven't heard of it? It was dropped from his resume, perhaps because it accomplished nothing. Another example of Obama's efficiency in governing? Try this Slate article. Is this the new type of politics you're expecting, non-confrontational and take the easy win?
So really, if you want to tell me you're voting for Obama because you like his speeches or you'd like a Black man in office or you think he's got some better policy positions, fine. But this nonsense about getting upset about the obvious - that Obama's campaign had similar challenges to Jacksons two, and that his campaign was based on a lot more fluff and fairy tale than Jackson's or nearly anyone's - sorry, I just can't buy it.
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - that maybe you never read the full context of Clinton's "fairy tale" comment. Here it is. Find the racist part in it:
“It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time — not once, ‘Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn’t know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war. And you took that speech you’re now running on off your Web site in 2004. And there’s no difference in your voting record and Hillary’s ever since.’
“Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairytale I’ve ever seen.
So anyway, vote as you like, but don't build it up on the sham of racism.
May 5, 2008 5:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
The “Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairytale I’ve ever seen. should have been in italics/Clinton quote as well.
May 5, 2008 5:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Black participation in government, especially high level administration seats, sky-rocketed. Black home ownership went up, Black income rose tremendously, Black crime went down tremendously (though with the huge increase of Black incarceration, not a minor issue)
As long as we are keeping score, the prison rates among black men went through the roof too! You forgot that didn't ya.
May 5, 2008 5:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can you please explain what the phrase "Black incarceration" means to you?
May 5, 2008 5:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been keeping a list of posts to talk about if Clinton gets the nomination, and this epic tale has to go to the top of the list. Another pseudo-explanation of why black people are voting for the black candidate. I am completely puzzled. Why the apologia? It's okay for black people to vote for a black man for President. This kind of explanation just makes it seem so ... tentative. There is just no way Obama will be any worse than Bush. A lot like him, maybe, but different, too. Vote your heart. It will be all right. Vote your heart. That's what I'm doing.
May 5, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not everyone thinks it's "okay" for black people to vote for a black man (who, by the way, is half black and half white, but no one ever seems to mention that). Some people apparently consider it to be one-issue voting, and they speak about it in such a negative way that blacks who support Obama feel compelled to explain that they really can be much more three-dimensional than that. And that it's quite possible for black people to vote for a black candidate for reasons other than the fact that he is black, like maybe they like his policies, or a policy in particular, or several. Or maybe they feel like they can sit down and have a beer with him.
May 5, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Not everyone thinks it's "okay" for black people to vote for a black man (who, by the way, is half black and half white, but no one ever seems to mention that)".
But who cares about such folks? Really, who cares if some people are offended that a black person might be inclined to vote for another black. The African American community has a centuries' old experience of oppression in this country; it is important in and of itself for members of the community to become leaders in government and business. I don't understand why it would be so difficult to accept this. Hell, I'm a Clinton supporter and I'm white and Jewish. If I had to pick one reason to support Senator Obama, given that as a matter of policy I think he and Hillary are pretty close, it would be that he's an African American (or partially AA), and I think it would be good for the country to have an African American president. And, fwiw, nobody is going to tell me that there aren't lots of white folks out there who want to vote for Senator Obama, at least in part, because they see the value of having an African American president. In my book that's appropriate "progressive" think (hee).
What's the big deal? Why the hand-wringing by Mr. Reed, the poster? I thought it was time to talk about race. If so, folks, stop pretending; it's absolutely OK to want to see an African American president. No kidding, it's quite alright, really it is.
May 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, I am not saying that there are not African Americans out there who support Obama without regard to the color of his skin. Of course, there are many, many folks like that, the poster included apparently. But the notion that 85-90 percent of the AA community is voting for Obama without regard to the color of his skin is hogwash. And, as I write above, so what?
May 5, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
To Billy Glad: "Pseudo-explanation"? "It's OK for Black people to vote for a Black man for president"? Talk about presumptuous and condescending! Get a grip--you're talking about yourself. You obviously see Americans of African descent (some of the oldest families in the country) as some monolithic mass outside mainstream American political thought--Good Lord, man, it's 2008!--whereas if you just read the writer carefully, you'll see that that's just embarrassing White... presumptuousness.
Great post, Boyd! Thanks you much for your thoughts!
May 5, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, nothing like a doctored Mickey Kantor video would set a bunch of people running off in a frenzy. We're all adults here. How dare you, Billy Glad.
May 5, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee. I'd say I see them as superior judges of character. Has to be the explanation for the extra 30 to 40% of the black vote he's getting. Has to be the reason people on this thread are attacking black women who support Clinton. Next apology please.
May 5, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy,
your inability to see this or any other story of a black voter's journey from team Clinton to team Obama as anything other than an apology or denial is a testament to your personal inability to see black voters as 3 dimensional human beings. Your need to simplify black people in this way and your blatant and flagrant refusal to be abashed at your own (yes, your personal) tendency to reduce black voters in this way continues to be stunning to me.
Not to mention that this reduction of black support for Obama *is* meant to be a dig. I once read a comment that you write claiming that the overwhelming black support for Obama was evidence that whites had gotten over racism but blacks obviously had not. I wish you'd say that more often so that people would know that this sentiment is what underlies your willful ignorance in the face of perosnal, eloquent and instructive posts like Boyd's.
So, one more time, LOUDLY, so that maybe you can hear it -- Black voters are not simply voting for the black candidate -- but also and *more importantly* for the vision of the country that gives us hope that the America of our ideals and not the brutal America of our past is the one that our children may live in. Hillary Clinton doesn't come close to embodying those ideals -- not because she's white and not because she's a woman, but because she is *herself* -- a power-hungry political panderer who, despite having policy positions that are mostly unobjectionable to me also fails to inspire the slightest bit of confidence that she would stand by any current proposal if the political winds turned out not to be at her back.
I want to let you know that your loud-mouthed, "come on, I'm just being honest" tone does not nullify the evident content of your belief that black voters are one dimensional characters who don't care about anything except voting for the home-team. On the contrary, Obama present a vision for the country that is particularly alluring to people who have been disenfranchised, fed up, or disillusioned and feel that government isn't/hasn't/ won't work for them. Unless something major changes. I would wager a handsome sum that if Obama had two white parents (instead of just the one), and carried the message he carries, as eloquently and with as much integrity as he has, we'd be seeing similar numbers breaking for him.
It's not that race has nothing to do with black support for Obama, but that it is not the *deciding factor* -- that is what these posts are about and your absolute and rather obnoxious refusal to hear it is not only grating beyond belief but an example of the kind of 'soft racism' that is often allowed to go unrecognized and without being denounced.
Well, let me be the first to say, I recognize it and I denounce it. Clean out your ears Billy. This is neither an apology nor a denial , but a statement a testimonial by a three dimensional human black woman who will be voting for Obama for reasons that cannot be reduced to the color of either or our skin. Give yourself a minute to consider that it may not be the phenomenon, but the observer that's got this primary colored in the starkest, simplest hues.
May 5, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, your lack of insight is depressing. Please spend less time blogging and more time reading and thinking.
May 5, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It means that Bill Clinton, in his fight against crime, had this law officer as a longtime family friend. Good old Bill praised him for being a innovative crime fighter. This Chief Law enforcement officer:
1. Said if he sees black driving around in rinky dink cars, they are going to be stopped.
2. Tried to erect a barrier between white and black neighborhoods.
3. When a black neighborhood complained of police brutality, he pulled all of his deputies from the area, leaving the people unprotected.
4. But the best was when he blocked Katrina victims at gunpoint from crossing out of flooded New Orleans saying he had a duty to protect the empty white homes of citizens who had the means to evacuate.
Ooooh Yeah. Bill thought this guy had innovative ideas and was a good friend to both Clintons for many years. Not to mention a great fundraiser for Hillary.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commence.html
By the way, the Clinton's taking credit for the economy in the 90's is like the rooster taking credit for the sun rising in the morning. Ever hear of the technology boon?
May 5, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
So even though, your stats are sketchy, at best, and could be used for almost any segment of the population, what you're saying is that black people owe Clinton because her husband, in your eyes, did something for black people.
Yay. Democracy.
May 5, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Owe"? Well, no. Blacks can do whatever they want. But if you have a desire to piss on someone, you might consider not pissing on someone who seems to have tried to help you out, whether from craven political reasons or personal values. But your call. Do Blacks "owe" anything to LBJ? To Thurgood Marshall? To MLK? To Abraham Lincoln? Nope, free to hate anyone and be bitter about anything if that's the path you want to take.
May 5, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha...this is pretty funny considering that below you do say that we owe the Clinton's.
May 5, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you look at how I phrase it, it means "bupkus". Like you could toss them a doggie treat but you don't have to.
May 5, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chimpo ! Who knew you were Jewish ? "Bupkus" in Yiddish means a little piece of shit. Here is means a little piece of chimp shit.
Good multi-cultural comments also. You're the (white) man.
May 5, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I prefer "ape shite", if you don't mind. Lest I display my incisors.
May 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like ape shite on Cypher's head.
May 6, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
"you might consider not pissing on someone who seems to have tried to help you out"
Yes. This is excellent advice for Hillary. If she'd taken it, she might have won this nomination.
May 5, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, how utterly patronizing and condescending you are. Sounds almost like Pat Buchanan's statements that "America has been good for the blacks and they should be grateful that we tore them out of their homeland, separated their families, and put them in shackles". Excellent work!
May 5, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
I believe you truly interpret Bill Clinton's remarks this way. I've read your explanation (or defense) many times, yet I remain unpersuaded.
Much as any of us try to persuade, it's difficult to prove exactly what Bill Clinton's intent was with his statements. I won't discount your interpretation; however, I won't discount Boyd's, either. In fact, I happen to share his interpretation of Clinton's intent.
Maybe after some time has passed and we all gain some perspective, the sharper outlines of truth will emerge. My belief is that feelings are too fresh to analyze this with the dispassion we need to give us better clarity.
May 5, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, they'll offer courses in "Clinton's Jackson Comment 101"? I can hardly wait. No, I think the other interpretation is loony and completely overblown sensitivity, and that's not going to change. Occam's Razor says Clinton's comment was the most straight-forward obvious analysis of the situation any political junkie would give. No grassy knoll in sight.
May 5, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton's Jackson Comment 101" -- Blechh! At this point, it sounds nauseating. But you know, I could see members of the political commentariat signing up for it in droves. Undoubtedly, they'll chew on this for a long time to come.
I disagree with your Occam's Razor statement--your interpretation of Bill Clinton's statement makes a presumption of intent, just as everyone else's interpretation does. I won't buy your assertion that his motives and intent are "obvious." They're not. That's why so many other peoples' interpretations differ from yours.
May 5, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I should make the opposition theory explicit: "Bill Clinton was trying to paint the opposition as a Black Presidential candidate".
Astounding, in the time from January 2007 to January 2008, no one had made that connection, not even in South Carolina. No one had noticed his skin color, not Oprah, not Jesse Jackson Jr. campaigning in SC for "our people", not even the people who'd read his books.
Others might say the theory was that Clinton was saying a Black man can't win, but in 1988 Jackson won 1/4 of the contests including Georgia, Michigan and Virginia. In short, he showed it was possible even if he didn't make it all the way.
May 5, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You do realize that Oprah is a woman, right?
May 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0CE7D9143CF93AA35757C0A961958260&scp=1&sq=As+His+Legacy%2C+Clinton+Seeks+to+Improve+Race+Relations&st=nyt
WEDNESDAY APRIL 6 1997
As His Legacy, Clinton Seeks to Improve Race Relations
WASHINGTON, April 8 - President Clinton has ordered his staff to suggest a way for him to play a prominent role this year in improving American race relations, a goal that he is trying to make a focus and legacy of his second term.
Two chief options that his aides are preparing include a conference on race led by the President and a short-term panel modeled on the Kerner Commission, which found in 1968 that the United States was "moving towar two societies, one black, one white - separate and unequal."
Mr. Clinton made racial division a central theme of his Inaugural Address last Jan. 20, calling it "America's constant curse." Two weeks later, underscoring his renewed sense of mission on a subject that has preoccupied him since he was a boy, he returned to it again in his State of the Union Message by reading aloud the biblical passage he had placed his hand on when he took the oath of office: "Thou shalt be called the repairer of the breach."
Now, anticipating a major announcement next month once the President decides how to proceed, his aides have been scheduling events in which Mr. Clinton stresses race, or more broadly, unity. He plans to take part next week in ceremonies at Shea Stadium in New York City on the 50th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's first game in major league baseball.
Under fire for months over Democratic campaign finance practices, the White House has been searching for issues and events that make Mr. Clinton appear intent on the people's work, rising above what his aides hope will seem by contrast to be inside-the-Beltway nattering. A high-profile stance on race would seem to fit snugly with that strategy.
May 5, 2008 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DD113DF936A35755C0A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
June 5, 1997
Clinton Plans Moves Aimed to Improve Nation's Race Relations
By JAMES BENNET
After months of White House debate over how to improve race relations and add heft to President Clinton's second term, Mr. Clinton has decided to hold town hall meetings and other events on race around the country, appoint a high-powered advisory panel and write a report next year summarizing his findings.
But the overall goals of the President's race initiative appear fuzzy, and some leaders of civil rights groups are worried that it may be intended more to burnish Mr. Clinton's image than to address intense policy debates that divide along racial and ethnic lines.
Contributing to the skepticism is the leaders' grievance that the Administration is doing too little to protect the rights of minority members. Just last week, the Rev. Jesse Jackson sent a scalding three-page letter to the President, attacking what Mr. Jackson called the ''shameful disrepair'' of the Administration's structure to enforce civil rights laws. Today, Mr. Clinton met for an hour with Mr. Jackson, who had complained that the White House had rebuffed his requests for such a meeting ''over the past several months.''
May 5, 2008 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wonderful post! Thanks for your personal insight.
May 5, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "Come to think of it, a lot of Americans feel the same way, period. So, maybe in the final analysis, true leadership and decency just attract people irrespective of race."
Yes! Even though I'm smack in the midst of Hillary's demographic, she's never been my candidate. I used to admire Bill Clinton and loved to listen to him speak. One day, when this is all over, I suspect quite a few of us from all parts of the political spectrum will be trying to sort out what happened, what's left, etc. etc.
Meanwhile, Barack Obama. What's to be said about this incredible candidate who's so gifted, so smart, such a visionary, and, as you say, so decent?
And may I add: I love some of the photographs I've seen from this amazing campaign. One I keep going back to is Michelle Obama working the crowd, shaking hands, etc. and she and this 60-ish black woman are face to face. The older woman is grinning, her mouth open as if she's shouting, and I imagine her saying: "Girl! Look at you!" And Michelle is grinning back, as if to say: "I know! Can you believe it?!"
What a moment! I just love it.
May 5, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's how Hillary lost the black vote. A black man became a candidate. A bogus charge was leveled at Clinton saying she belittled Martin Luther King when she said it took Lyndon Johnson to push through the civil rights legislation of the 1960's. Blacks, who had previously viewed the Clintons as heroes, and who often referred to Bill as the first black president, used that bogus excuse to abandon the Clintons in droves. Why? Not because they really disliked the Clintons. They disliked looking like they were voting for a man based on the color of his skin. So they convinced themselves that the Clintons had done them wrong. That way they don't have to see themselves as behaving like racists.
May 5, 2008 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Otto, I am so glad you know more about black people than I do. We would be lost without you.
May 5, 2008 5:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
He doesn't know more about black people than you do, or about anything else maybe. But he's honest. He is who he is. You on the other hand are a little too apologetic to be convincing. And very full of yourself. We need one more pseudo-explanation of how Hillary Clinton "lost" the black vote like we need one more pseudo-analysis of the delegate count. Just vote your heart, man. Hopefully, this primary ends tomorrow night.
May 5, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well when you go from having 80% of something one day to having 10% of it the next, I would say that "lost" is appropriate. As for you, I could say a lot of things but I will just leave it alone.
May 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really? What day was that? I want you to show me a poll that one day shows Clinton with 80% of the black vote and the next day 10%. Come back with that and you can say anything about me you want to. Otherwise, take a hike.
May 5, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You on the other hand are a little too apologetic to be convincing. And very full of yourself.
Mendacity!
May 5, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You comment could be interesting if little things like facts totally disputed what you posted. Try again.
May 5, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently Bill and Hillary feel the same way about MLK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpEckWHSvXk
May 5, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean to tell me that the Clintons who had worked with the AA community for years and were polished politicians, did not anticipate how that statement would be received? Bullshit!
It was a direct way to try and draw Obama out into responding and turn this into a race war. It was not just the AA community that was outraged at the statement.
All in one day she managed to tear up, race bait with the MLK statement and play the Al Qaeda fear card. She has some cajones, I'll give her that.
Let's revisit that day shall we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BB4Vvgn_4k
May 5, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I actually considered that. But I think what she was really trying to do was draw him into the LBJ versus JFK and MLK debate, with her as LBJ the doer and Obama as the dreamer. I think she misunderestimated Axlerod, who jumped right on it, sending Jesse Jackson, Jr. out to start the they dissed Martin meme.
That didn't leave the Clintons anyplace to go really. They've had to live it out with that label and hold on to as much of the Dem base as they can.
I'll always regret that Axelrod didn't take her up on the LBJ challenge. It would have been a great campaign. The contrast is still there, but it's constantly blurred by people like the present blogger who wants to keep the focus on race.
May 5, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with the LBJ comparison is that LBJ was a superb politician, both in campaigning and legislating. Clinton has shown no competency in either of those two areas.
May 5, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only a dipshit thinks MLK was just a dreamer, and that is entirely the p[oint. LBJ put his political capital on the line. MLK put his life onthe line (well before he gave it).
May 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I notice this little error often, but it is "cojones", you mean "cojones"
http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=cojones
"cajones" are the drawers in your dresser
http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=cajones
May 5, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"cajones" are also box-shaped percussion instruments that you sit on while playing:
http://www.peasandhoney.com/images/cajones.jpg
May 6, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Boyd, wonderful reflections. You remind me that the quality of the candidate brings out the quality of the electorate. You made me question a few things about myself.
I made up my mind about Barack Obama at the 2004 convention. I was simply gleeful when he decided to run this time around. That may sound like a snap judgement, but I am a writer and words matter to me. They speak of consciousness. That speech did it. This was a man of higher conscience than I had seen in politics in my lifetime.
I am Hillary's demographic (like Lynn Dee) and there is not a moment of my life that you would have been able to get me to vote for Hillary Clinton, although I would love a woman president. What is ironic is that I have always understood that the African American community is not monolithic, and was not going to vote for someone simply because they were black for the same reason that women over 50 are not monolithic and will not vote for someone simply because they are a woman.
So why over the course of this campaign have I not been willing to look more closely at the person to whom the polls say I should want to cleave to? Because I am a writer, and words matter to me.
In the South Carolina comments I heard more than marginalization, I heard dismissal. In the fairy tale comments I heard contempt. The Nevada comments were the ones that took the cake - accusing Obama's supporters of suppressing the vote in front of Bill and Chelsea on the floor of a casino, in public? What kind of fools were they taking us for? This was, from early on, beyond the pail. This was disdain for the American public who was viewed as not being intelligent enough to see through the wagging finger. The wagging finger that means I am about to manipulate you, you silly voter you.
Yes, the quality of the candidate brings out the quality of the electorate. This time we get to see how many voters have the qualities that bring purpose, integrity and consciousness into the White House, and how many don't.
May 5, 2008 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank You for sharing your story. I enjoy reading personal stories -- I find them compelling and authentic.
I have never been "actively" involved in politics, in fact I had little interest in doing so. That changed ...not only did I become a delegate for my CD in Dallas, my neighbour and I agreed, if Obama won the nomination, we'd actively work as volunteers to get him elected and shook hands on it.
Personally speaking, (being in HRC's demographic white female, mid-50's), from the very beginning I leaned toward Obama as my first preference. I did research, just for good measure on some of the republican candidates, too, yet the more I read about Obama the better I liked him. I am solidly in his camp.
Hillary was never a choice for me; I never trusted her. I did not know why exactly; it was just a feeling. I could care less about what happened between Bill and Monica. That was personal and should have stayed personal. I have no opinion about Hillary's decision to stay with Bill. But the more I became acquainted with her the less I found to like. I still think she is engaging, intelligent and funny.
Let me make this clear I do not hate Hillary -- I abhor her double standards. Her background is filled with inconsistencies. For instance as a lawyer protecting the interests of Monsanto and sitting on the board of WalMart are part of a culmination of things that form a pattern. The disconnect between what she says and what she does are, a lot of the time, 180 degrees apart.
The nomination was Hillary's to lose. At the start of her campaign she had every advantage going her way: more money (over $200 million dollars), name recognition, DNC support, loyal voters, her husband's record, over 100 super delegates, and inevitability; yet she is still losing by every mathematical equation to a "rookie."
Mathematically HRC cannot catch Obama even if you add in Florida and Michigan. He is ahead in every category: popular vote, delegates, money, and has won almost twice as many states. However Clinton is ahead in Super delegates barely. In December 2008 Hillary led by 106 supers. Since 4 February 2008 Obama has narrowed that lead down to less than twenty. This nomination is about winning the most delegates, but the Clinton camp keeps moving the goal posts. And that is another issue I find distasteful.
Obama supporters are upset with the underhanded rovian tactics, the republican's signature, Clinton uses to attack Obama. Obviously she learned the wrong lessons when she was at the brunt end of the far-right attacks. Going after Obama with a vengeance to destroy him Hillary could very well cost the democrats the WH. Thus she loses, Obama loses, the party loses and the country loses in the short and long run.
If the super delegates give Hillary the nomination they ought to note trivializing the African American voters, the youth voters, new voters, and discounting small states primaries and big state caucuses translates into Hillary winning by losing the general election. We cannot afford -- in every sense of the word -- another 4 years of Bush and Cheney via proxy.
I believe in him. I trust him. Barack Obama "gets" it. I commend those who have chosen to and/or are defecting to Obama.
May 5, 2008 4:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
I love it when you respond, because I donate to the Obama campaign just for you. I haven't maxed out yet, so keep up your attacks.
Cha-Ching!
May 5, 2008 5:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
With as much as I've written you must be playing the nickel slots. You're leaving me in stitches guessing who you're going to donate to once you max out. Perhaps Allsburg can run a contest.
May 5, 2008 5:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, for truth in advertising, I belong to HRC's demographic as well - I like policy wonks and I was alive in the 90's and hated the Republicans screwing Democrats on everything and really liked it when people fought back.
May 5, 2008 5:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thought Hill wasn't so big on the "elitist" wonks?
May 5, 2008 6:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
She isn't. I like shootin' critters 'n varmints, and like my whiskey straight from the bottle.
May 5, 2008 6:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
dagnabbit!
May 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
What people fought back in the 90s? I mean, besides the CBC who didn't have the backing of the white Congress members.
May 5, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Say the infamous closing down of government when staring down Newt Gingrich, as one.
May 5, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
Cha-Ching!
May 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sesquecentennial, you're back!
Did you figure out yet that my the huge increase of Black incarceration means the same as your "the prison rates among black men went through the roof"? Is this why we're at such a disconnect?
Doesn't matter, cough up another dime for Obama.
The moment coin in coffer rings,
A soul from purgatory springs.
May 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
Cha-Ching!
May 5, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a 52 year old white guy in suburban Chicago. Been a Obama supporter since the start. Spent $30 to get up at 4:30am to take a bus down to Springfield in February 2007 for the privilege of freezing my toes off watching him throw his hat in the ring. I told a TV reporter I was a supporter because of his big brain and big heart.
Since then I've done my own informal polling of everybody - as a precinct committeeman it's part of the job. The Clintons have deep ties that go way back in the black community. The first time I heard Bill Clinton's name mentioned as a candidate for president was from a black guy in 1991. I thought a governor from a small, poor state who had already been fired once by Arkansans? Where's that coming from? This guy knew something I didn't, I was intrigued and I've never forgotten that conversation.
Until IA a lot of the black folks expressed skepticism. From older black women who were overwhelmingly in Hillary's camp I heard the phrase "he's just a baby" a number of times. Remember last November Hillary still held a 20% lead in SC among black folks.
Obviously Obama has more than reversed that sentiment. Here's my take on it, as reliably Democratic voters black people pragmatically are focused on the most important thing: electing a Democratic president. This election is too important to support another Jesse Jackson if that's all Obama was going to be and couldn't attract enough white support to win. When it became clear that he not only could attract white voters but was also clearly the better candidate it became a no brainer. Black folks may be shocked, but they aren't dumb. They're going with Obama not because he's a black candidate, they're going for him because he has the best chance to win in the fall. The fact that he's a brother is a very happy plus but it's not the overriding factor.
May 5, 2008 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
This makes a lot of sense. Thanks, Mark.
May 5, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
And if you weren't so invested in Obama you would say? You people are driving one another crazy, man. Those talking points are pre-NH. Catch up.
May 5, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Billy Glad,
I'd suggest more canvassing and less trolling, but I don't know if it's any healthier for you.
May 5, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aww, Bubba. Let me at 'em.
May 5, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Mark...it is because he is a winner!
And what a phenomenal winner he is!
No one knows more than black folks how much BETTER he has to be as a politician, strategist and candidate than black folks for Obama to even be competitive and for him to WIN?...the WAY he is winning beating her from 20points down CONSISTENTLY in state after state?!
Heck black folks know that only happens when the brown person is EXCEPTIONAL and OUTSTANDING and runs circles around the preferred non-black candidate.
Obama has winner written all over him in capital letters and his intelligence, charisma and oratory is simply over the top.
If Barack did not have the complete package nary a black person would vote for him.
Yes, we can...in MY lifetime.
May 5, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Listen Desidero, although your analysis might seem quite thoughtful at first glance, it's really not.
First, Bill Clinton was asked a question that had nothing to do with Jesse Jackson. He was asked, "Why does it take two Clintons to beat one Obama," his response, "Well Jesse Jackson won here in 1988". Execuse me? What does 1988 Jesse Jackson have to do with 2008 Barack Obama? Answer: Absolutely nothing. If, as you suggest, he was merely saying that this is about longevity, then why not just say that directly? Why use language so coded as to render his intended meaning ambiguous. And why respond to a question about two Clintons with a response about longevity? Listen, the Clintons aren't stupid; everything they do is calculated and is done for a reason. And this was race baiting, plain and simple.
As the for the MLK thing, come on! Nobody is claiming that Hillary is a racist or is race-baiting because of what she said about MLK, at least I'm not. My problem is the dichotomy she set up between Lyndon Johnson and MLK, between action and words. If her anaology was supposed to illustrate the dichotomy between words and action, then what she says flies directly in the face of the historical record. If you call getting your ass whooped by the police just words, if you call being jailed just words, if you call breaking the law in the name of justice just words, then there is probably something wrong with your historical account.
Moreoever, if it wasn't for MLK, Johnson would have never passed the civil rights legislation. As a rule of thumb, cultural revolutions always precede political revolutions. There can be no political change where there are no rabble rousers as it were. (For this you might want to see Lincoln making slavery a moral issue). So when Clinton says that "MLK's dream couldn't be realized without Johnson," she is partially correct but mostly wrong. The way Clinton frames it makes it seem like if Lyndon Johnson didn't want to listen, then he could have just said f- you MLK. But, the truth is he had no choice, precisely because he had to yield to this cultural revolution we call the civil rights movement.
P.S. as for you touting the record of Bill Clinton in terms of helping out the "the po' black masses" you sound like Pat Buchanan more than anything. What? We should bow down on our knees and say: Oh thank you benevolent Clinton, we are forever in your debts! Get real. LOL
May 5, 2008 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
JFC, "Sound like Pat Buchanan"? "po' black masses"? Up yours. He brought down Black poverty and helped a lot of Blacks out. He brought down Black-on-Black crime, which is a good thing, dontcha think? I'm not a fan of the War on Drugs, not that having a drugged out populace and crack houses is a good thing, but I have trouble seeing where lowering violent crime is bad. Blacks owe him the same as they owe any politician that helps them out, basically devotion as long as he/she keeps delivering, and possibly some gratitude if he/she does a very good job. But he appointed Blacks all through the Executive Branch, many more than had ever been appointed before, enough to make it feel normal.
Look, I can't imagine much of any benefit that Hillary could deliver Blacks to outweigh the image of an African American as President. Put that #44 by his picture and he's golden. But why dump on the Clintons to get there? Every statement out of their mouths is analyzed to death to see if there's some racial tint to it. Oh, Bill responded off-question - that never happens in a campaign, does it? So he got in his soundbite that basically Obama might be a one-trick pony, fade before the first marker. From that the Obama team did a reverse and got this as a "racist" remark. Well bully for them, that's politics. But now that it's almost over, hopefully some of you can have the intellectual honesty to admit that it's all bullshit.
May 5, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
And hey, Zoomy, I said nothing about MLK - how come you jumped off question? Are you being racist like Bill Clinton? Come on, 'fess up.
May 5, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
HOW?
HOW?
How did Clinton bring down black poverty? Poor blacks and welfare moms were CUT from the rolls under Clinton.
Clinton dissed Lani Guanier.
Clinton refused to end mandatory sentencing for crack DESPITE the sentencing commission recommending that it be abolish in 1994. Clinton made sure blacks received mandatory ten year sentences for 20 more YEARS!
MarionWRight Edelman severed ties with the Clintons over the welfare package and she is not even mentioned as a friend out of 200 friends Hillary mentions in HERstory despite Edelman givin her a job on the children's defense fund.
Please. Do not say how good a friend Hillary or Bill have been to blacks what they both have done is what was politically expedient for them. Which meant they needed the black vote to win so they did what all politicians do PANDER for it. Now, that BubbaBill feels he can't COMPETE with a black candidate he went to race-baiting in hopes of creating white racial solidarity to COUNTER the black vote.
But let's be clear NO Democratic President is EVER elected withOUT the black vote and Hillary has it...it was hers to lose and she did with her snide remarks about MLK not being nothing but words while LBJ was action. She demeanded MLK's historic significance and the black community denounced AND rejected her because of her own words.
BubbaBill and GoldwaterHill may not be racists but they certainly APPEAL to racists to get votes. But if as Hill says ACTIONS mean more than words then her and Bill are bigots as well. Bill's words don't require analyzing for racial biase they are clearly racist and it is a race baiting tactic he is using and he knows it. Otherwise he would not have called his CANDIDACY a fairytale, based on a lie about voting records where he conflates voting to END the war with the vote TO GO to war! Bill was spinning lies and distorting the truth to race bait. Because in his mind it had to be a fairy tale that he and Hillary came in THIRD in IA and were beat by a rookie despite all their national recognition, money and vaunted political machine. It was a fairy tale alright only it was Bill and Hill's. NOT Obama...he is the real deal and they are sore losers ...and bigotted sore losers at that.
May 5, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
HOW?
HOW?
How did Clinton bring down black poverty? Poor blacks and welfare moms were CUT from the rolls under Clinton.
Clinton dissed Lani Guanier.
Clinton refused to end mandatory sentencing for crack DESPITE the sentencing commission recommending that it be abolish in 1994. Clinton made sure blacks received mandatory ten year sentences for 20 more YEARS!
MarionWRight Edelman severed ties with the Clintons over the welfare package and she is not even mentioned as a friend out of 200 friends Hillary mentions in HERstory despite Edelman givin her a job on the children's defense fund.
Please. Do not say how good a friend Hillary or Bill h