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Hillary's Latest Electability Argument Is Based On the Clinton "New Math"

Clinton strategist Howard Wolfson held a conference call yesterday and was quoted in the Washington Post as saying that “current Electoral College vote predictions -- based on an aggregate of public polling -- show Clinton beating McCain and Barack Obama losing to the Arizona senator.”  The Clinton team is now using these predictions to try to persuade superdelegates to support her bid for the nomination.

From what I can gather, the Clinton campaign seems to have come up with a new metric for measuring success in the primary.  First, you use the results of polls taken in each state for the two possible November match-ups, Clinton vs. McCain and Obama vs. McCain.  You then project the winner-take-all electoral college votes that each would receive assuming these polls represented the actual results in November.  The overall electoral vote “winner” is thereby argued to be more electable.

Well, this sounded questionable to me, but I decided to look at the polling data.  This was easy to do since Greg Sargent provided a link at TPM Election Central to the documents presented by the Clinton campaign to the superdelegates.  After looking at the polling data presented by the Clinton campaign, it appears to me that the Clinton analysis is on shaky ground.

First of all, the polls included in the Clinton data were taken by 15 or so different pollsters over a several month period. We have already seen during the primaries that some pollsters were better than others at accurately predicting the actual election results.  It is therefore valid to question whether the polls selected by Clinton are reliable and whether the methodologies are consistent.  For example, I noticed that Clinton used polling data from May 12-20 that show McCain leading Obama in both Virgina (+8%) and Ohio (+4%).  However, recent Survey USA polls from May 18 show Obama to be ahead of McCain in Virginia (+7%) and Ohio (+9%).  These two states alone account for 33 electoral votes so the disagreement in the Clinton polls and Survey USA polls can result in as much as a 66-vote swing in the match-up between Obama and McCain.  Which polls are accurate?  What accounts for the significant differences?  We cannot know, and that is the problem with the Clinton methodology.   More significantly, it demonstrates that drastically different electoral vote totals can be obtained depending on which polls are used.

It is also impossible to project electoral votes so far in advance in the swing states where the polling results are statistically tied or fluctuating back and forth.  For example, Michigan and Missouri are too close to call (+/- 2-3%) for either Clinton or Obama in the Clinton polling data so how does one hypothetically assign their 28 electoral votes?  Well, we see that Hillary errs on the side of Hillary.  In her count, she is awarded both Michigan and Missouri even though she is tied with McCain in the Michigan poll and ahead by just 2% in the Missouri poll.  Obama, on the other hand, is denied both states because of small 1% and 3% deficits, respectively.  It is difficult to understand how the superdelegates are supposed to accept that Obama would lose Michigan whereas Hillary would win it based on a 1% difference in their polling match up with McCain in May.  More likely, such polls would suggest that Clinton and Obama have statistically equal chance of winning or losing the state. In fact, these swing states have the potential to go either way up until the election depending on how the candidates perform and how well their messages are received.

As I was looking at Clinton’s polling data, I was also struck by the fact that many of Clinton’s loudest arguments made during the primaries could be directly refuted by her own data.   For example, the Clinton campaign made a huge deal about winning the Texas primary and, in fact, the fate of Hillary’s campaign had even been staked to it (by Bill).  Yet, the polling data shows her to be even further behind than Obama in a match up with McCain (-15% and –13%, respectively).  The Clinton campaign also argued that Hillary’s double-digit victory in Pennsylvania was reason enough to prove her electability over Obama, and yet the polling data shows that both she and Obama can beat McCain in Pennsylvania.  And in Indiana, where Hillary’s marginal victory “broke the tie”, the polling data shows that both she and Obama are significantly behind McCain (-11% and –8%, respectively).  It just shows that the Clinton campaign uses election results and polling data in one way when it serves their interests and in another way when it doesn’t.

But this is all beside the point.  Polling data DOES NOT MATTER in determining the Democratic nominee.  There is a process by which the Democratic nominee is selected and it is based on delegate count.  There are the pledged delegates from the primaries and caucuses and then there are the superdelegates that can be courted.  The pledged delegate counts are the most representative of the people’s will since they reflect the votes that were actually cast in the elections.  Yet the argument that the Clinton campaign seems to be making to the superdelegates is that (selective) polls from each state should somehow override the actual election results. 

I could almost understand their logic if they were using recent polls to show that Democratic voters in certain states no longer favored Obama even though their primary or caucus results gave him the victory.  Unfortunately, they aren’t using logic but, rather, Rove-inspired manipulation.  They are basing their argument on polls that pit the two Democratic candidates against a candidate, McCain, who they have not yet campaigned against.   The American people have not been able to hear the Democratic candidates debate McCain and contrast their positions and approaches.  In fact, most Americans know very little about McCain at this point except that he is a “maverick”.  So while more than 20 Democratic debates were held to help the Democratic voters determine their nominee, Clinton would have the superdelegates believe that polls taken in March, April, and May during a heated and competitive Democratic primary accurately reflect the general election results that will be produced in November.  This is ridiculous, especially when such polls were taken with both Democratic candidates still actively campaigning, thereby making it very likely that their supporters’ allegiances would influence the polling numbers. 

Such projected electoral vote predictions are especially unrealistic since they assume a static voter sentiment between now and November.  Even after the nominees are chosen, the polls do not necessarily reflect the final election results.  Al Gore was behind, 55%-39%, to Bush in the Aug. 11-12 Gallup poll leading up to Democratic convention, but he actually ended up winning the popular vote.  And in the 2006 Virginia senate race, George Allen enjoyed double-digit leads over Jim Webb and was so confident that he was even considering a 2008 presidential bid…but we all know about his infamous “Macaca” remark in August.  The momentum of a political race can change in either direction during a campaign, but especially as the election date draws near and the intensity increases.  And from what we’ve heard, McCain is a loose cannon!

At some point, though, we have to look at the bigger picture.  How do we rationalize the destruction of our democratic process, whereby suspect polls taken more than five months before the general election are used to override the delegate counts obtained in sanctioned state primaries and caucuses?  How do we even know that these polls reflect the true intent of Democratic and Republican voters?  There is absolutely no way to corroborate that someone will actually vote as they claim in the polls, especially given the rogue Limbaugh followers who have been creating mischief throughout the primaries.  If such polls were truly to be used to determine our nominee, they should be verifiable in some way to rule out rigging or fraud.  But how is that possible?  While Clinton supporters may feel at this point that the ends justifies the means, I wish they would think about the long-term implications not only for the Democratic party but also for the country.  After our recent stolen elections, do we really want to legitimize a non-transparent process that would make it all the easier for corrupt parties to “select” a president?











 


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I think the Clinton campaign cherry picks polls, as they have all season, and tries to create a mountain of data that would require a lot of work to look it up and check it out for oneself. She counts on her chosen focus subject not doing that and just taking her word for it. I don't think that's going to work this time. Too many people are too savvy and certainly Obama's campaign staff are too savvy to let things like that pass unchallenged. I didn't read her whole letter to the super delegates, but it looked like two single spaced pages. What do you want to bet that at this point, after all the hair brained stuff she's thrown at them, that most of the uncommitted super delegates don't read it any more either. Remember, Hillary is one of them and she didn't even read the intelligence reports before voting for the a Iraq war. It's good to pay attention to what she's up to and bring her shenanigans to the light. Thanks for your work in doing that. But I also think that Obama has his eyes wide open and the uncommitted super delegates are weary with all of this. Some of them were hoping to stay uncommitted to the bitter end, but if they want to stay in favor and in play in the democratic party, I think they're going to have to _______ or get off the ______ next week.

karela, thank you for your reasoned assessment of the situation. I agree that Obama and the superdelegates should be able to see through these arguments. I just hope that such arguments don't create a further sense of urgency among some Clinton supporters to oppose an Obama nomination even after the last primaries are over.

I just want to let everybody know, for historical reference, that May 30 was the day Joan of Arc was burned at the stake.

I just automatically think of May 30 as Joan of Arc Burning on a Stake Day, in case that ever pops up in conversation and it seems inexplicable or inappropriate to you.

That's just how I remember it's May 30.

So don't freak out or make a big deal out of it if I bring it up.

Nice meme you've got going there, HMC. Voltaire also died on this day, in 1778.

I'm sure Hillary is a fan:

All the reasonings of men are not worth one sentiment of women.

:-)

(I) Hillary Clinton. Your future president, thank you for this endorsement and would like to remind voters that Math is a sexist discipline. I and the 349 trillion voters who have cast ballots for me prefer the much more gender-neutral field of Geology. Geology offers us soft minerals, like gypsum, and hard ones. Hard, white ones, like quartz. Now the media will call this racist, but it's not. It is simply geological fact that Jesse Jackson won South Carolina and RFK was assassinated by Bosnian sniper fire in June, and that if I were a white man I would not be in this position, or a woman of any color, I would not be in this position, because our congress is being run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about.

Much Love,
Hillary sqrt(4032064).

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Pardon me, Hillary's Mnemonic Calendar, but do you have a match? My BIC seems to be out of butane.

Obviously, only the polls that favor Hillary are valid. Get with the program!

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There is an even bigger hypocrisy. Which polls were most staggeringly off? The ones taken just days before New Hampshire. And which candidate took to railing against polls thereafter? Hillary Clinton.

If these same polling outfits got NH wrong just a day or two before the actual voting, how on earth could a superdelegate cast a responsible vote based on projections taken months before the actual election?

And what happened last time voters cast their votes on perceived electability rather than on who inspired them? Kerry was nominated ... and lost.

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Excellent analysis!

The purpose of the nominating process is to determine whom the members of the party want to represent them. This may or may not include considerations of who is most electable. But first & foremost is to identify who best represents our values & positions, i.e. wohm we want to be out standard bearer to promote our ideas. I don't care who is most electable. Hillary does not represent what I stand for, so I don't want her out there representing my party.

Let me just add that Hillary's claim of winning the popular vote is as bogus as her massaged electability calculations. You can only get to a majhority in the popular vote caount for Hillary if you ignore the votes in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, & Washington - caucus states where they don't keep popular vote records - and if you ignore the "Uncommitted" vote in Michigan & assign it to no one. The fact of the matter is that the Uncommitted vote in Michigan was a vote for "anybody but Hillary" because she was the only one on the ballot (besides Kucinich) & anyone who wanted to vote for her had that opportunity. Obama is the only "anyone but Hillary" candidate left standing, so that vote should rightfully be assigned to him, yet remarkably Carl Levin & Jennifer Granholme have engineered efforts to five some of that vote to Hillary of all people!

Once you factor in endorsements from Edwards & Kucinich - the olnly 2 other 2 candidates holding delegates - it's clear that Obama has the widest popular support within the party & that Hillary is once again just shoveling shit.

Not to mention that Obama has blown Hillary out of the water in states where he had the time to do some serious campaigning. All the more reason this needs to be done NOW. He needs that time to campaign around the country.

Bravo, WaldenGirl. You have done the analysis that Hillary was hoping no one would have the inclination to do, and done it very well.

I am of two minds on the greater meaning of this:

1. I take solice in the fact that the people who will decide this thing (supers, RBC, etc...) are political professionals who do have the inclinitation to do, or at least read, this type of analysis. These people will be more resistant to having the wool pulled over their eyes than the public at large.

2. I am worried because I also know that Hillary is well aware of point #1, so what is she really trying to do? Create a groundswell to influence supers? Poison the well for an Obama win? Force her way onto the ticket? What?

Also, why is there not a more direct questioning that HRC's motives are related to 2012?

Although, it has been casually floated around in the press, it seems there is an unwillingness to put it out there as a legitimate question to HRC's campaign.

HRC's inability to overcome her own rigid sense of identity politics and in turn, the need to shatter the 'ultimate glass ceiling' is at play here. I believe that at root, she is resentfully refusing to accept defeat and is doing whatever is necessary to be the nominee in 2012.

Because it's hard to imagine that the woman who failed to think beyond Super Tuesday is making plans with regards to 2012. ;)

I think you have made an error by even trying to discern some rational basis for her actions. She left the reality based community some time ago and runing on pure reaction.

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Another big flaw in the polls is that Obama is being attacked on two fronts while the only one campaigning against Clinton is her own big mouth.

I've been a big fan of electoral-vote.com because of their fantastic electoral college maps. However, I'm now getting pissed because the votemaster bases his Obama/McCain and Hillary/McCain electoral maps on the latest polls in each state--some of which were last polled as early as February. As a result, he doesn't even show a map based on polls from one period; some are before Wright, some after, some before Bosnia or NAFTA-gate, some afterwards, some before "white working class Americans", some afterwards...you get the idea. So the map shows Hillary over McCain by something like 150 and Obama over McCain by about 40.

Somewhere around mid-June we'll start seeing new polls for all of these states, and once Dems rally around Obama the numbers are going to start knocking everyone's socks off. And I really don't think the superdelegates will be snowed by Clinton's every-evolving math. But it's been pissing me off that everyone's basing their projection for the GE on votes, caucuses and polls conducted months ago.

Rant over.

Nice job - must have been a lot of work to get all this data together.

Don't you wish sometimes you could sit Bill and Hillary down and confront them with this data? I worry it would be like seeing a hypnotist - they would talk your ear off until you ended up agreeing with their delusional outlook on things. Plus you would get these looks from Bill... Chilling picture.

In the end only one thing matters. A bunch of primaries have been held. We have all voted for our choice. One candidate wins, and it is Obama. All the rest is Clintonian hot air.

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Excellent work. Sincere congratulations on your tenacity.

For an interesting, somewhat contrary viewpoint, let me suggest the current post by Don Rogers, "Clinton's Electoral College Electability...". It has only been recommended a few times, which is not entirely fair - it is equally tenacious in evaluating this matter.

I made some comments beneath it that I won't repeat here.

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