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Hillary Confirms: She'll Take It To The Convention
Hillary Rodham Clinton says she is willing to take her fight to seat Florida and Michigan delegates to the convention if the two states want to go that far. In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was asked whether she would support the states if they continue the fight.
I've said before that I thought Hillary was planning on taking the fight to the convention, using Florida and Michigan as her excuse.
She's not going to get her way on May 31. Florida and Michigan will not be seated as she wants, and the popular vote (whatever thats worth) won't count.
So, here's the scenario: May 31st the RBC halves the delegates and splits them 50/50 between the candidates. Hillary will cry foul saying that democracy has been usurped and that she cannot give up her fight because the people of Florida and Michigan (who broke the rules, btw) won't let her.
So she'll take the Fla/Mi issue to the convention and she figures, hell...i'm already here, why not make a play for the nomination?
I wouldn't put it past her.
The only way to prevent this is to give her what she wants. To throw the rules out the window and say, "It's perfectly ok if you break the rules. No one will hold you accountable just like no one held GW Bush accountable for all the rules he's broken." By doing this, the DNC weakens itself for the next primary cycle by almost guaranteeing the states will play leapfrog to hold the earliest contest.
So whats it gonna be? Cave and create chaos, or stand your ground and risk a convention nightmare?
If only Hillary were a team player and cared more about whats best for america than whats best for her, but alas...she's not and she doesn't.
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Comments (19)
Her argument- I can't win and I'll not let the other guy win.
May 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does she stop him from winning? I can't see it.
May 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary needs to end this. Is her argument, as her surrogates have publicly stated in the media, that she's going to win the presidency on the backs of white hard-working (euphemism for racist who won't vote for Obama?) non-college educated voters and Obama can't win without these voters? Were she to make this argument she lacks the courage and gumption to lead her way out of a box.
If Clinton wants to salvage her political career and win her next Senate challenge, she immediately needs to drop out and make it her cause to fight racism and support eduction in appalachia and other "hard-working" areas across the country. They need to get out of the 19th century both in terms of tolerance and in terms of job education, because they have been left behind socially and economically due to lack of leadership on race and economic issues.
There will be a strong challenge to Clinton for New York Sentate if she does not address the PROBLEM she says is her advantage. Racism is dead wrong and racists should not be coddled and appeased, no matter how "hard-working" they are.
May 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was terribly angered by this speech until I noticed the guy to her right. Maybe we should take a cue from him.
I'll repost the direct link:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Hillary_Clinton_advocates_for_voting_rights_0521.html
Forward to 3:40 in the video.
LOL!
Busted!
May 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I called this earlier today - this was likely her plan all along. Obama played nice because he needed her supporters, he should have went at her hard and finished her when he had the opportunity.
And now that her supporters are entrenched - if the DNC doesn't let her take it to the convention she'll threaten an independent run. And even if the DNC finally gets tough, and say all the SD's head to Obama, she'll say they're trying to disenfranchise all of her supporters.
This is her nuclear option, because it was her time and Obama jumped in line.
May 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is parsing on her part. The states will accept a compromise that allows a portion of their delegates to be seated, after which, Florida & Michigan will no longer wish to continue the fight.
May 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's perfectly ok if you break the rules."
The DNC has already said that several times. They told IA, NH and SC that "It's perfectly ok if you break the rules." When Barry ran his TV ad in FL, the DNC had no hesistation in saying "It's perfectly ok if you break the rules."
I thought The Rools Were The Rools.
May 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't even believe what you are saying.
May 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
'When you have the facts, you argue the facts. When you don't have the facts, pound the table.'
May 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama did NOT run a Ad in specifically in the state of Florida for campaigning in the state of Florida, stop posting bullshit.
He ran an ad on a Nationally syndicated TV network and he couldn't just "not have it played" in FLA, because it was running on that national network. But prior to the ad running on that network he let the DNC know what was going on and got permission to still be able to run the Ad on the national network even THOUGH it would probably still air in FLA.
May 21, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotta call bullshit on you Jonathan. That's what you're posting. Did his ad run in FL or not? The answer to that question is either yes or no, not "Wait! I can explain!"
And, yes, the DNC let him break The Rools. Those facts are inconvenient to your mindset but you need to learn to deal with the facts.
May 21, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why not? What does Hillary owe the Democrats? Who hasn't turned on her? Fight it out to the bitter end, Hillary!
May 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I think I need to weigh in on this one. Because as a delegate from Alabama that will be on that floor in Denver because my own state abided by the rules, I want people to know what I think about this. I know this will make some people mad, but right now, I am so mad, I could eat bricks!!
HOW DARE HILLARY INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE PEOPLE OF FL AND MI WITH THIS KIND OF TOTALITARIAN ATTITUDE!!
I can not believe that Hillary Clinton would do such a thing and deeply divide the party at a time when WE NEED TO BE UNITED!! After this, I have lost all respect for Hillary Clinton. I'm sorry. I think she really needs to sit down and shut the hell up! Because she's has truly made me mad. I don't want to continue ranting because unsanitary words are about to come out, and I need to calm down first. I'll respond better later.
LaKeisha Chestnut
May 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was a precinct captain for Bill in both '92 and '96. And, while his soaring promises made during the '92 campaign in particular ultimately proved to be more rhetoric than reality, I stuck by him - even during (perhaps _especially_ during) the attempted lynching by the Shiite wing of the gop.
That stated, the conduct/behavior of both Clintons during this nightmarish tableau has been light-years beyond acceptable. I simply cannot begin to fathom what lies at the bottom of their blind, mindless, insatiable desire to win this nomination, by any means - fair and foul - to the point of seeming to be willing to risk the party's destruction in the process.
I began this process fervently pulling for Edwards, and was wooed (no, make that wowed!) by Obama after Iowa; my dedication and support for his campaign has steadily deepened ever since. I honestly do not believe myself capable of voting for Clinton after the vicious way she has chosen to conduct her campaign. I have never seen such scorched-earth tactics employed against a Primary opponent - and I fervently hope never to do so again.
May 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, an interesting first post introducing yourself and the..."I honestly do not believe myself capable of voting for Clinton..." meme. You'll probably like it here. The Kool Aid flows in rivers and you'll fit right in.
May 21, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The cold calculations for the Democrats: let Hillary have her MI and Fl votes count, with no apportionment, no parsing of the numbers. On June 3rd, the remaining uncommitted delegates will endorse Obama for the Democratic Party as a means to the right end of closing party rank and the Primary process, thus recognizing and validating Obama's delegate count totals, and finally telling Hillary and Bill Clinton, THE (PRIMARY) PARTY'S IS OVER!
May 21, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you've got it right. Obama has nothing to gain trying to deny her those delegates and the DNC better not be ready to toss FL and MI away again. I think Dean's said the delegates will be seated and it's stupid to propose a 50-50 split. That would appear to be Affirmative Action in giving him delegates he hadn't earned.
The bonus of seating the 2 states' delegates as the votes came out would be that the stranglehold of IA/NH would no longer exist. A state voted before them and nobody died. Who knew it could be done?
Seat the delegates in accordance with the final totals from those states and move on.
May 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm about to some research in my emails. Because someone said something about the votes not counting. Then it dawned on me that this was foretold last year. So, when you see my next post, it will be a blog...I promise you, it will good!!
May 21, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can hardly wait to hear that special something that someone said in an email you got.
May 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
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