Actually, dont you think you need to get the f**k over it?

Go read something. The primary process has NOTHING to do with the American electoral system. It is based on rules, kind of like the Elks or maybe your sorority house.

Pretty childish post. But lets recommend it anyway because it has Clinton and a profanity in the title.

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What makes Clinton's claims especially stupid and makes her supporters look like brain-dead zombies is that she's even further from her new magic number than Obama.

Now Now girls and boys this is what happens when one rants. I think you're supposed to call in on the TPM rant line. Oh wait this is a blog, we don't have one. Sorry.

Hillary is indeed extremely aggravating. Her tendency to lie, cheat and steal if need be is repellent.

What are the chances she'll be back in 2012 or 2016? She has a hardcore group of supporters who would cheerfully eat glass for her, and many are rich.
How can we make her stop??

But for now, let's move on. Bigger fish to fry.

Why do folks fail to realize that regardless of the number 2025, 2210 or whatever, Obama will STILL be the Democratic nominee? For the uninformed and willfully ignorant, check out http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/fl-mi-by-numbers.html

Why does Hillary Clinton irk you simply because she's playing politics to its utmost? She's a political animal. She is playing NOT FOR THE NOMINATION, stupid, she's playing for political clout in obama's administration.
And as far as Clinton going away, forget it. She's going to be a major player in the Democratic party over the next 4-8 years, regardless of what any of the Obama supporters, I mean Hillary Haters, think. She's proved herself so amazingly capable of garnishing support accross the board among democrats. She's still winning primaries, for God's sake! How can you actually think that the Democratic party would be stupid enough to throw her valuable capital away? (of course, the Dems HAVE been pretty stupid . . . on occasion . . .)
I've said this before at TPM. Get over it. Clinton is strong, she's tough, she's a player. She's not going anywhere. She has too much support.

Please let the SD's euthanize HRC's campaign tomorrow. IT'S OVER!!!!

Slow. Down. All of us.

Full Disclosure: I'm an Obama supporter from the beginning.

All that is happening here is vituperation, starting with the profanity-laced title of the post. I would love to see Hillary's campaign done, but I'd like to see it ended with her supporters feeling like they'll vote for Obama, and not feeling like they'd rather sit it out because of the rudeness of Obama's supporters.

Yes, as an above post notes, how the loser behaves will have something to do with whether Dems win (and I find some of HRC's moves very disagreeable.) But to turn around and say "The Clintons: No game...No shame...No class...!!!", well, that isn't winning with class, either. Even if you think it's true, all that it's doing is sowing discord between voters whom Obama needs. Next, Merlot weighs in to tell us how badly HRC has mangled things for women. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. But for a lot of women who support HRC, they see anti-feminism at the root of HRC's issues. Whether you agree with them or not, it doesn't matter. It's how they see the world.

The point, then, isn't to kick the Clintons (and more importantly, their supporters) on the way to victory. Obama is going to win, and I think diplomatic, rational dialogue on that point will seal the inevitability of this process. Yes, Hillary lost. But if you really want her and her supporters to get over it, and if you have any political savvy, you don't savage her character, no matter how dislikable you find it. You start building bridges, and building them fast, and building them strong.

I'm personally not in favor of having HRC as VP, but remember that Reagan had Bush I as his VP, even after the "voodoo economics" line. They made peace, and made it fast, and they ruled for 12 years (doing lots of lousy things, but that's not the point.)

We have the chance for a Democratic tsunami of the likes that we may never see again. If Obama wins, he'll be faced with all manner of problems; I certainly wouldn't count on winning more seats in congress in 2010's midterms. Deficits, Iraq (even if when we get out), credit crisis, et al--Obama isn't going to be a miracle worker. 2008 has got to be the time when Democrats secure a decade-proof majority, and hopefully a filibuster-proof majority. We could possibly win Senate races in Oregon, Maine, and a few others. But we've got to pull EVERYTHING together.

Sure, I wish Hillary would read the writing on the wall, and I have no problem with people telling her that. But tone matters. A lot. Read Malcolm Gladwell's work on the "science" of marriage therapy in _Blink_. Nobody likes to be the object of contempt, and it isn't serving any progressive's goal.

Thank you. THANK YOU. Thank you ChonoSpark for your post!

Money headline from the Hillary Deathwatch on Slate: "OBAMA WON'T DECLARE VICTORY ON TUESDAY, BUT THE MEDIA WILL."

I've been sick the last couple of days seeing stories on TPM and elsewhere about Hillary's campaign putting out their silly empty threats that Obama better not claim victory in Oregon or that by claiming victory in Oregon, Obama will "insult" Hillary supporters. She lost! That's how it feels when the person you're rooting for loses. Now shut up and get on board or show that Hillary really does want to take the party down with her by giving McCain and the Republicans 4 more years of Bush policies.

If Hillary were in Obama's shoes, her campaign or supporters would not show the class that Senator Obama has. She, Bill, Terri McCollough, Howard Wolfson, Lanny Davis and James Carville would have been telling him to get out of the race full-voiced without any hesitation. They practically did that when they absurdly suggested that Obama be her VP!

Uninformed dreamers like pmSanFran need to "get the f*ck over it" too.

TPMer 1question had it right too:

“...the way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November...”
-- Rahm Emanuel
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The Clintons: No game...No shame...No class...!!!"

Hillary Deathwatch on Slate.com has Hillary at an all time low of 1.6% chance of getting the nomination. Maybe the Clinton Camp can ask the Washington Post Company to write an apology or retraction for the Hillary Deathwatch? Fat chance they'll have the success they did w/ the NYT.

"Obama won't declare victory after Tuesday, but only because the media will do it for him. Clinton's chances sag another 0.1 point to 1.6 percent."

http://www.slate.com/id/2191697/

The Clinton camp is saying the number needed is around 2210 if FL and MI are seated, as is, without any punishment.

Terry was on the rules committee at the DNC when the primary rules were laid out. In an interview on I think CNN he admitted that he agreed to punish any state who set their primary too early. But he stated that the rules call for a punishment of only cutting the delegates in half not stripping all the delegates from being seated at the convention.

Therefore, using Terry's acknowledgement of the need for punishment the new "magic" number would be 2025 plus half of the pledged delegates from these two states. The difference is 185 delegates round about for the two states. Divided in half, again roughly, would be 92 delegates.

The result is 2025 plus 92 making the new number needed with FL and MI about 2117.

No one believes that the rules committee will seat these two states without consequenses for their decision to vote early.

So in my mind both Obama's camp and Clinton's camp are skewing the numbers in their favor. Obama using 2025 and Clinton using 2210. I think in the end after the rules committee meets May 31st my number of 2117 will be closer to reality.

...it's a pretty long post for someone who doesn't have anything to say except wa wa wa somebody change my f***** diaper ...

LOVE the rant ... I could not have said it any better ... even though it will be about the 100th time I have said/felt the SAME EXACT THING!!!!

It looks like you touched a NERVE there Chronospark - you're calling attention to something they probably hoped no one would notice.

Good job!

I like Hollywood endings and living happily ever after and all that, but Hillary and her supporters are not backing off with their tactics that should be beneath even Rove.

Sorry, won't PANDER to racism, flouting of the rules, lies and shifting of the goalposts in exchange for votes. I believe there are enough independents and moderate Republicans out there who appreciate integrity and honesty - I disagree that we should compromise and kiss the asses of bigots like Ferraro and her supporters.

What I see in this thread is the damage done, again, by the Clinton's insatiable lust for power, overblown egotism and complete lack of respect for the American people. The childish ranting back and forth here between supporters exemplifies the divisive conditions within the party.Here is one issue that has been ignored but is the basis for my personal rejection of Hillary to lead the country. Bill Clinton disgraced and dishonored the Office of the President. His immature,unprincipled and selfish behavior disgraced the Democratic Party and gave the Republicans everything they needed to take the White House with a dimwitted, disfunctional and illiterate candidate. I am not forgetting the Supreme Court and illegal election tactics either. Hillary "forgave" Bill and remained married to him. That choice disqualifies her and her horny husband from ever stepping into the Oval Office again. Period. But no, Hillary thinks we should forget the shame and disgrace and support her and her husband and give them another crack at the prize. For all of the Clinton supporters, it was not "just about sex." The ensuing damage to the Democratic Party was irreparable and led to the catastrophic conditions we now live in. The Clintons have shown their true character, or lack thereof, over and over. Her mindless, self centered and destructive words and actions have proven she does not have the will of the people in her vocabulary. The ridiculous idea that Bill Clinton would EVER be allowed anywhere near the White House let alone live there goes against any sense of fairness, justice and respect. Sorry Hillary, it IS over but you don't seem to have any respect for the Office, the American people or America's political history to do the right thing. Go back to your adopted state of NY with your husband and begin your plot to bring Obama down or whatever selfish thing you desire. Please, just go away.

I have not lost! This is far from over.

I am leading the popular vote.
I am leading the delegate vote.*
I will lead you all.

Much Love,
Hillary.

* Delegate vote totals do not include endorsements from "brain damaged" SDs with tumors implanted by radiation shot from the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.