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Hagee and Wright Cut From Same Cloth, Preaching What God Told Them to Say
This is what all the smart people, it seems, are missing. McCain lovers point out he barely knew Hagee, so can't be held to his whacky beliefs, while Obama bashers say "20 years in the pew Barry" must remain welded to Rev Wright's most controversial thoughts.
But this ignores the fact that the basic defense supporters make for both Wright and Hagee is identical.
Rev Hagee says he prays, and God's will is revealed to him. He believes God wants Israel united, so the Messiah can return. Revelations tells him God sent the hunter, Hitler, to chase the Jews there, because once they control both sides of the Jordan river, the end times will come. If nuking Iran speeds things up, then bring it on. Hagee believes God hates sin and sinners like Homos must be punished, hence Katrina.
How is this any stranger than Rev Wright saying God will damn America for its sins, like Indian genocide, Slavery and Jim Crow, CIA Assasinations like Diem, proping up dictators like the Shah, torture, and tens of thousands dead in Iraq for no good reason?
Both men pray, read the bible and preach what their God leads them to say. Evangelicals call it Prophetic preaching, the exact same words Wright's backers use in his defense.
Now Hagee is on TV several times a day. Do we think the millions who listen to him share his views, which critics label anti catholic, anti-gay, and pro Israel because it brings the rapture closer?
Now that Hagee has helped McCain beat the Evangelical Mike Huckabee, he has called Hagee's comments crazy. Obama has likewise denounced all of Wright's controversial views. Critcs see both moves as cynically political.
Now the logical thing for the nation to conclude is that "preachers can be led to say a lot of whacky stuff, thats why the founders put in all that stuff about seperation of church and state."
People who attend church have all sorts of releationships with their pastors. Some hear the whacky stuff as metaphor, others believe it literally. Millions including Hannity and O'Reily stuck around and defended the Catholic church, because they know some screwed up priests don't define the church, even if the Bishops and the Vatican failed to protect their children. No one would accuse those Catholics of approving of the crimes their leaders covered up. We cut them some slack, and pray their church gets it together and keeps doing the good things Catholics do.
Sadly, few will grant Obama's church the same slack. This will not happen, because for now, Wright is the only smoking gun his opponents have. It lets the Limbaughs repeated say "racist preacher = scary black guy candidate whites can't trust". They will bring him up every chance they get. McCain even managed to get a Wright jab in while denouncing Hagee.
Personally, I believe the relationship between any person and his church or preacher is none of my business. There is no religion that people of some other faith don't think is crazy. Many Christians believe billions of non believers will burn in hell. Most of those billions don't even think hell exists. Radical Islam wants to slay all non-believers. I don't agree with any of them, but as long as they are not violent or threatening, I defend their right to believe it.
I personally pray for a world that lets anybody believe anything, as long as they leave evryone who disagrees with them alone. This political season, America seems to be headed in the opposite direction.














Comments (6)
Obama said his relationship with Jeremiah Wright is a legitimate political topic. Many of his supporters say whatever Obama's pastor believes is of no relevance. Some of those same supporters say whatever McCain's pastor believes is relevant. It's a fun world.
May 24, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you even read this post? It really shouldn't matter what any one person thinks about another person's beliefs. Because all beliefs are personal and based on the way each person interprets them. Frankly, it bothers me that any thinking person sits and listens to a (minister)person once a week who then allegedly tells them what god thinks.
I am trying hard not to obsess about it because it is the way it is, but I have serious doubts about the intellectual curiosity of churchgoers of any stripe.
OK! Pile on! I'm Ready.
May 24, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
To allay your concerns, I'm a churchgoer. I'm very intellectually curious. I have no qualms with evolution being taught in schools. I don't agree with everything my pastor says.
Though, full disclosure, really all he says that I don't like is that people should drink or gamble under any circumstances however little they may do and however self-disciplined they are. He thinks abortion is wrong (I don't), but he doesn't think govt should pay for it.
Here's the point Rev. Wright was trying to make about the Black Church - we criticize the govt, we criticize corporations, etc, etc. We don't criticize any particular people as less than human. Yes, there are many black pastors who criticize gays as less than human, but that's more the exception than the rule.
If your concern for our intellectual curiousity is more about belief in a god and most especially the Resurrection, virgin birth, ect, ect, point taken. But just because many of us believe all that doesn't mean we're otherwise certifiable. Most of the hatefilled Christians of the Hagee/Parsley stripe don't base their hatefull views on the Bible anyway. Ask more than one question about their disdain for gay marriage and you'll see.
May 25, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, your comment about your pastor makes me reconsider my former thoughts:
OK, OK, I know it was a typo. It IS funny though! LOL!
May 25, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!
Yes, I meant, "People should NOT drink . . ."
LOL!!
May 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me tell you how Hagees comments are stranger than Wrights.
Hagee was attecking people. Wright, the government.
Hagee's wrong. Wright's right.
To Otto F, as an Obama supporter - What Rev. Wright believes is relevant. What (white)Americans think he believes is not. Come with some actual evidence that the man hates Americans, as opposed to the actions the govt takes on our behalf, then get back to me.
May 25, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
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