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George Will: Serious Person

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In Newsweek, George Will proposes  a series of 12 questions to Obama. Many (most) of the questions were inane attempts a gotchas, but there were a few of them I would like to discuss, mainly because I don't like their mime - they're pushing lies of the "we all know" variety.

Question:

• During the ABC debate, you acknowledged that when the capital gains rate was dropped first to 20 percent, then to 15 percent, government revenues from the tax increased and they declined in the 1980s when it was increased to 28 percent. Nevertheless, you said you would consider raising the rate "for purposes of fairness." How does decreasing the government's financial resources and punishing investors promote fairness? Are you aware that 20 percent of taxpayers reporting capital gains in 2006 had incomes of less than $50,000?
The interesting thing about that statement is that 20% of taxpayers reporting capital gains make less than $50K sounds a lot like 20% of capital gains taxes are paid by taxpayers earning less than $50K. But they are not the same thing at all, and Will's question is irrelevant on its face. This is the same rhetorical device Bush used when he claimed that the majority of his tax cuts went to middle income and working people. A true but meaningless statement. The cuts went to the people but the money went to the rich. The  same is true of capital gains and dividend taxes.

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities finds that middle-class American taxpayers reporting capital gains and dividend income derive very little monetary benefit because the vast majority of that income is concentrated among the wealthy. The Tax Policy Center estimates that 83 percent of total capital gains goes to the highest-income 5 percent of U.S. households.
According to the Tax Policy Center, the average household in the middle of the income spectrum received $20 from the 2003 capital gains and dividend tax cuts.  The average household earning over $1 million received $32,000, or 1,600 times as much.
So can we rephrase or at least append the last part of your question, Mr Will? Are you aware that 20 percent of taxpayers reporting capital gains in 2006 had incomes of less than $50,000, and they each saved about 20 bucks off their taxes? Isn't that wonderful?

Question:
• You favor eliminating the cap on earnings subject to the 12.4 percent Social Security tax, which now covers only the first $102,000. A Chicago police officer married to a Chicago public-school teacher, each with 20 years on the job, have a household income of $147,501, so you would take another $5,642 from them. Are they undertaxed? Are they rich?

No, George, they're not rich. You are. They're not stupid, either. How about you? FICA taxes are on individual income up to $102,000. Unless the cop or the teacher makes over that amount, they already pay FICA tax on every cent they earn working. Unlike you, Mr. Will. How early in the year do you stop paying FICA? March? February? January?

Question:
  • You denounce President Bush for arrogance toward other nations. Yet you vow to use a metaphorical "hammer" to force revisions of trade agreements unless certain weaker nations adjust their labor, environmental and other domestic policies to suit you. Can you define cognitive dissonance?
Can you define cognitive disability? Let's see, one the one hand we have Shock & Awe delivered against a third rate, third world dictator by the most powerful military machine the world has ever known. On the other hand we have the "metaphorical hammer" to negotiate with two of our largest trading partners. Why there's scarcely a hair's difference between the two.

Oy what  a schmuck!

And last but not least, he asks :
• You want "to reduce money in politics." In February and March you raised $95 million. See prior question.
This has got to be my favorite. For years the Republicans have shouted from the roof tops that MONEY EQUALS FREE SPEECH. But now that somebody has come along with the ability to raise a lot of money from the people at large rather than special interest donors who only give with strings attached, that old right wing mantra doesn't ring so well, does it, MR Will?

You Republicans pooled your corporate resources to buy your way into control. Now it's our turn. Now the people are pooling their resources to buy you out - to drive all of you corrupt corporatist bastards out of our Government. First we have to disinfect. Then we'll work on public campaign finance and getting all of the special interest money out of our elections..

And finally,
But coming next, questions for John McCain.
Oh, gee, I can't wait.


Comments (7)

Query also does that figure include reporting of capital gains from sales of primary residences that are exempt from the tax?

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I don't think the article specifies. Recommend you check http://www.cbpp.org/policy-points4-18-08.htm
It's a short piece and it addresses a number of right wing tax fallacies.

http://www.cbpp.org/policy-points4-18-08.htm

ZOMG! That question on the police officer married to the teacher question is the most brain dead thing I've read on this whole debate. Is Will really that ignorant and misinformed, or is he lying outright?

As for the capital gain question, lots of retirees with modest incomes report small amounts of capital gains. I used to do tax returns, and seeing capital gains of a few hundred dollars was not uncommon at all.

All complaints about how this would affect low-income people could be taken care of by exempting some portion of capital gains - say the first $1000. This would give a tax break to 95 percent of those under $50,000 folks and any revenue lost would be made up by the higher rate on gains over $1000.

(I just pulled those numbers out of thin air - maybe the exemption should be $500 or $1500. Point is, it's not hard to craft the change in a way that protects low income taxpayers.)

Wow, I can't believe he said the thing about FICA. Just totally f'in wrong.

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Awesome post.

Loved this:

According to the Tax Policy Center, the average household in the middle of the income spectrum received $20 from the 2003 capital gains and dividend tax cuts. The average household earning over $1 million received $32,000, or 1,600 times as much.
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This Ed Siegel guy is an idiot. Of course the average saved per person is less for lower income people. They pay such a small percentage of our nation's taxes already, there's nothing left to cut! You could give a seven-figure person a $20K cut and have the average American stop paying taxes completely and the rich guy got the bigger cut in dollar amount. What does that prove?

The total money saved went more to the "poor" than the "rich".

Go ahead, jack up capital gains taxes. See what happens to our poor when investors flee the country and take their employment opportunities with them.

Thomas Sowell said it best. The same people are often poor and rich at some point in their lives. Want to screw over baby boomers and increase our dependence on insolvent Social Security? Vote for Obama.

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Speaking of inaccuracies, how about that site elseigel cited in his comment:

"Most middle-income Americans own much or all of their stock through 401(k)s, IRAs, or other tax-preferred saving accounts. They do not pay taxes when their stocks within those accounts go up, so a change in the tax rate doesn’t affect them."

You still pay tax on retirement plan income when you cash out. Same as anywhere else. The difference is that it's invested pre-tax and grows tax free. But at sell time you pay tax. The lion's share of that site's argument was based on this point, since the middle class does nearly all of its investing for retirement. So much for that argument...

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