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Do We Really Want West Virginia Picking the Next President?

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Hillary Clinton was hyped after her voter mobilization tactics ensured her big victory in the West Virginia primary.  Incidentally, it didn't get the play that she had hoped due to John Edwards' very strategic endorsement of Barack Obama. However, Clinton surrogates such as Lanny Davis and Terry McAuliffe want us to believe that Hillary's victory is a game changer and that the road to the presidency runs through West Virginia.

The question begging to be asked is...do we really want the uneducated voters of West Virginia picking the next president, especially since they didn't do such a great job picking the last one?

Since I prefer my presidents to be highly intelligent like my preference for my doctor or lawyer, I think I'll take the bypass around West Virginia and take my chances with letting the rest of the country choose the next president.

But West Virginia should do just fine.  Commerce is sure to beat down its doors with numerous relocations in order to take advantage of WVA's huge pool of intelligent "hard-working white workers".


Comments (64)

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Its really great to hear fellow Obama supporters using the same idiotic, divisive attacks we've been angry at hillary for. Good job.

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Call it a misspoke. If I repeat the behavior long term, call it a character flaw.

No way, Sweetie. I want my President picked by the Iowans. Don't you? :)

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They are more educated that West Virginians, hell yeah!

I sure do, as they seem to have nailed it this time. What's your point?

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We learned from the best; what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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I think that every vote is equal, but all my experiences with the political intelligence of west virginians on national issues or character issues has been frustrating. they have lots of democrats but also lots of people who buy into the "obama is a muslim" junk.
And the educational system isn't particularly great. In my Dad and stepmom's town, he put my sibs in a private christian school because the public schools were like the Lord of the Flies. There were actually two Jewish kids run out of town by their classmates.
But instead of knocking appalachia (and predictably driving them to seek reasssurance in their mal-education), we should include

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I think that every vote is equal, but all my experiences with the political intelligence of west virginians on national issues or character issues has been frustrating. they have lots of democrats but also lots of people who buy into the "obama is a muslim" junk.
And the educational system isn't particularly great. In my Dad and stepmom's town, he put my sibs in a private christian school because the public schools were like the Lord of the Flies. There were actually two Jewish kids run out of town by their classmates.
But instead of knocking appalachia (and predictably driving them to seek reassurance in their mal-education), we should include them, assimilate them, educate them, and bring them up to speed (the speed we claim to run at). Something like that would work better for everyone, no?

The whole point of having superdelegates is basically the same concept. They're an elite group that prevents any one group or faction from having too much sway over the nomination process, in this case, I think the supers are skewing away from Hillary's demographic.

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ROTFLMAO

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The point is not whether you WANT WV to pick the next president. It just happens to be a matter of history that for the past 40 years or so, a Democrat has not won in the general without winning WV in the primary.

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We also make history. With that same old tired red state/blue state crap, the election is lost before the voters decide the outcome. Like Dukakis said tonite, compete everywhere or succumb to a self-fulfilling prophecy. WVA helps decide the outcome because we don't put the work in elsewhere.

What a truly moronic "argument".

In the entire history of the United States, no black or a woman has ever won the presidency. Therefore, you need to vote for McCain NOW, because both Obama and HRC were doomed from the very beginning.

Similarly, no sitting senator has been elected president since JFK. That has to mean McCain, Hillary and Obama don't have a chance this year. Right? Right??

Awesome reply.

Yup! we're doomed! All humans have died. We will too. So give up!

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OK..You said the word, "need". And here's what I "need" to do...


I "need" to vote for someone that is going to bring about change..2000 McCain..Maybe..2008 McCain...Um no!

I "need" to vote for the future for my kids and their children...2000 McCain...Maybe...2008 McCain...Um no!

I "need" to vote for someone who will take all of Bush's policies and flush them down the drain...2000 McCain...Maybe...2008 McCain...Um no!

I have a lot of needs...2000 McCain...Maybe could have fulfilled my needs....2008 McCain...Not in this lifetime.

My needs= Sen. Barack Obama...

Any questions??

**We just HAD West Virginia's choice for the last 7 years. Time to change it up.

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Al Gore did. Perhaps you forgot that he actually won the election?

Which has exactly nothing to do with how the electoral map will look this time.

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I am a proud West Virginian who has a Master's degree in Severe and Profound Disabilities...thus, I am not stupid, as you imply all West Virginians are. It seems as though you could use my help as you come across sounding like a retard!

You cannot judge a whole state by a few uneducated residents. There are uneducated folks in every state.

Why are you Obama people so angry? And why are you so worried that, just maybe, Hillary will still pull it off and become the nominee? Looks like your paranoia is showing.

Nobody here is worried that Hillary will still pull it off.
Nobody is even worried that West Virginia will solidly back McCain in the GE.
Hey, vote your deepest gut instinct.
It's your constitutional right.

Maggi, based on your professional qualifications, can you provide any help to the people here?

You don't mind if I call you "Sweetie," do you, big boy?

Maggi, with your advanced degree in Severe and Profound Disabilities, I am surprised that you would use the term "retard." How recent is your work in this field?

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Maggi, I wrote this post after listening to Lanny Davis and Terry McAuliffe continue to make their idiotic statements about hard working, blue collar , white Americans. My anger was more directed at them. I know there are smart people in WVA, but I believe that Hillary purposely used a classic race baiting tactic to mobilize white voters with a blatant appeal to their worse sides. she wanted big numbers and she got them. However, once again the Clinton Campaign was outflanked by Obama. It didn't take looking thru binoculars to see the anger dripping from Davis' and McAuliffe lips. My apologies.

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I'm not mad at WV. In fact, I knew WV would vote for Clinton. Here's the rub: Clinton made it seemed like "hard working white americans" only come from WV. That many of you are racists and would only vote for the "white girl". (I hope I'm not offending anyone.) I'm an African-American woman from the Great State of Alabama that voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Obama. A state that many people think is one of the most racist states in the Union, but we proved them wrong. Yes, African-Americans voted overwhelmingly in Alabama for Obama, but so did my hard working white Alabamians. So am I mad because WV voted for Clinton...Um no..Disappointed...Yes...But not angry. I don't bash anyone that is from a state that voted Clinton. I just want U.N.I.T.Y.

Can we have that????

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"You cannot judge a whole state by a few uneducated residents. There are uneducated folks in every state."
A few... According to the exit polls, they constituted 70%! And we're hearing that more than 20% admitted in exit polls that race was their decisive criterion and, given the Bradley effect, there's good reason to believe it was probably a whole lot more than that.
Then we read that in WV there are actually restaurants that not only refuse to serve, but get away with refusing to serve, African Americans.
The Democratic party and America should be held hostage to this?

Did you hear that there were "restaurants" or "a restaurant"? If a white goes to Anacostia or East St. Louis, is there a chance he/she might experience a tad of racism? Is there a chance that a black might experience racism in New York, California, Texas, Florida, Michigan? How does that chance compare to the chance of a black experiencing racism in West Virginia?

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You begin from a flawed premise that the reason they didn't support Obama is strictly because he's black. You do it from an honest standpoint but there are plenty of other factors at play.
Obama didn't campaign there & obviously made a strategic political decision to sacrifice that State & save his resources. Hillary went bat shit crazy campaigning there on a political brand that is completely familiar. Why wouldn't they vote for her. The demographics are the best for her of any other State in the Country except maybe Arkansas. Let me ask you this, in the contests where Obama blew Hillary out by similar & steeper margins was it simply because those people were sexist??? Or maybe you think that was reverse racism???Same flawed logic. Sure some people wont support him cause of the color of his skin but I'd bet more of those people simply go with the flow in their community & vote what they know. Peace.

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"You cannot judge a whole state by a few uneducated residents. There are uneducated folks in every state."
A few... According to the exit polls, they constituted 70%!

Without a college degree equals uneducated?

My experience is that a college degree has a tenuous relationship with knowledge. I know plenty of dumb, dumb college grads.

Embarrassing thread. WV did not change the game. Chill out, O-bots.


Do we really want California, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Massachusetts, Florida and Indiana picking our next President?

Just for the record, I think Charlottesville, VA should pick our next president. It's even small enough that the candidates can canvass it on foot, thus reducing their greenhouse gas contributions.

**No I don't. Just California.

Hillary. Bill. Hill. Bill. Hill. Billy. Hillbilly. It only makes sense.

Hi, Sweetie. :)

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You a hot damn genius...
That one's really explodin' all over the place huh???
Don't ya' just LOVE THE NONTROVERSYs???

I'm flattered of course, but I don't like you in that way, OK? But if I ever do, you know, decide to go Republicrat, you're the one, Billy dear.

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Give it up Billy! Obama apologized for the reference knowing that opponents will seize upon every word. Ok, Sweetie.

Billy needs something to do. Apparently, he has found his calling.

Hillary. Bill. Hill. Bill. Hill. Billy. Hillbilly. It only makes sense.

Yup, it's all relative(s).

This argument that you can't win the White House without WV is specious at best. If Obama can turn a mountain state like Colorado or New Mexico, it completely negates WV being in the Republican column.

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That West Virginia as a must win is bullshit. most of the Democrats who LOST the presidency WON West Virgina too hahahaha.

Ohhhhhh I guess Clinton left out THAT fact hahaha.

Carter 2.. won WV..lost the election.
Dukakis... won WV...lost the election
McGovern... won WV, lost the election
Humphrey... won WV, lost the election

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Please give it up. West Virginians are no different than their fellow citizens in 49 other states. Like those other states, West Virginia has idiocy along side brilliance, ignorance right next to erudition, and bigotry in equal measure with human decency.

Exercise some human decency your self and simply find another reason to explain Barack Obama's loss here. There are plenty of them and none of them depend upon racism, which you can find in a 50 states.

Your facile resort to an imagined monopoly on ignorance and bigotry by West Virginians establishes the falsity of your assertion.

Go look in a mirror and assess how free of bigotry you are.

And this is from someone elected in a W. Va. county caucus to represent Obama at our state convention next month -- not a Hillary supporter, and not a Republican.

Please just give it up!

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Are you guys still carrying West Virginia around???
Put it down & step away... It's what, in baseball, we call a sacrifice.
Happens all the time no big deal... Let's affect what we can now & the rest will fall in line. Peace.

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I don't know. West Virginia picked a pretty good president in 1960, when JFK won the primary victory over Hubert Humphrey that essentially clinched his nomination.

Unfortunately they picked a bad one in 2000. If Al Gore wins this traditionally Democratic state, we are all spared the Bush nightmare, Florida notwithstanding. This is a state that the 2008 Democratic nominee MUST campaign hard for, right there along with Ohio and Pennsylvania.

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Maggi from WV,

The exit polls showed 70% uneducated. Not just a few. What is more important is the open hatred most "hard working white" WV voters have for people of color. The young white volunteers for Obama were cussed at while they were campaigning. Read the washington post for the article for detail. To me that is the uneducated attitude, not the fact that they were non college educated.

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Maggi from WV,

Exit polls showed the number to be 70%. Not just a FEW.
There is a Washington Post article about the open racism encountered by white Obama volunteers while in WV. The seething hatred of someone because he has a different skin tone, is a sign of being uneducated. People without a college education can still be objective without being hateful.

Maggi, If WV were a guy I would punch him in the face or run over him with my car. Maybe both. The order is not important.

Just kidding....Every state's got its bad apples. If there were more money, more educational opportunity, and simply more contact to the outside world you would have more of the pretensious pricks over there that think they're better than everyone simply because they were born somewhere affluent. It's almost a way of shitting on WV because it's poor. Racists and dummies aren't the only undesirables in my view.

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It is not a matter of whether its a good argument or not. It's historical fact. Perhaps Obama can create a new electoral map that will lead him to the White House, but if he ends up falling into the typical mold, losing WV so drastically is not a good sign.

For pete's sake. Leave WV alone. They've voted, they get to vote in November, and that's the way it should be.

Bussta, I don't disagree that there are ignorant racist rednecks in West Virginia (as there are elsewhere). I've been refused service there by some of them (something that has never happened to me anywhere else in North America, or the world). But not all of them are like that. And while I was there, I kept getting phone calls from New Yorkers, who invariably said, "What? You're in West Virginia? Why? They marry their sisters there, you know. It's like Deliverance." I really don't think that sort of talk helps anyone.

Look, Clinton won there, but our guy is winning overall. Their votes count for one each, just like ours. They can vote for whoever they want, for whatever reasons they want. Don't be a sore winner.

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Scofflaw, I'm not a sore loser, but Lanny Davis and Terry McAuliffe sure are acting like they are. The healing starts when the lying stops.

I agree with you about McAuliffe and Davis, and with the fact that "healing" can't begin until Clinton's surrogates stop their race-baiting. But your post doesn't target those guys. It targets the "uneducated voters of West Virginia."

In general, I have no time for the "elitist" theme, but the way a lot of people talk about West Virginians on these boards (and in real life) really is elitist. Clinton's strategy of playing to them as though she thinks they're a bunch of racist *ssholes is also pretty condescending, and I'm saddened that most of them weren't turned off by that kind of talk. Fortunately, most Democrats are turned off by race-baiting, which is part of the reason Obama won and Clinton lost.

But Bussta -- our guy won. Let's not now insult WV voters for picking Clinton. They're allowed to. When the Clinton surrogates whined that liberals, black people, "eggheads", caucus voters, and people in "red states" and "boutique states" "don't matter", they came off as sore losers, right? That kind of talk is even more unseemly coming from the winning side. We won. Let's lay off the voters. Clinton, her advisers and surrogates are still fair game.

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I'll consider it...

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Where are your posts or are you an embedded peacekeeper?

Posts? I'm too lazy. Also, I waste enough time commenting on this site as it is ... I appreciate yours, though.

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Bussta,
I agree with you about Terry McAuliffe and Lanny Davis. Everytime I watch Lanny Davis, especially, I seethe. I'm sorry, but the guy rubs me the WRONG way. I mean he really does. Terry McAuliffe hasn't been the same since he hasn't been the Chairman of the DNC. That's why they wanted him GONE and Dean IN. Because he was running the party in the ground with the same status quo. Dean came in and lifted the Party right back up, and he's been seething every since. I really think that Terry McAuliffe is pulling Hillary strings. Because it's his way of "sticking it" to the DNC and Dean.

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Both these guys want to return to the seat of power, but it's not happening.

West Virginia was a union state that reliably supported liberal and progressive policies until recently. The unions is this country have been eviscerated and the mining jobs in West Virginia have changed. Now mining increasingly means chopping the tops off mountains and poisoning the water tables. Obama probably was right (in Pennsylvania) in saying that folk in these locations don't continue supporting liberal politics when the bottom falls out. West Virginia is much more of an Evangelical right-wing Christian state than it was when the Democrats were winning it reliably. But insulting West Virginians isn't apt to win them back. We need to convince them that its in their self interest not to vote with the Bushes and Cheneys and McCains and Roves. We need to convince them that the Republicans aren't sincere when they talk about family values and that ethics do not call for voting Republican. Indeed, just as the Republicans have succeeded in portraying themselves as the party of family values when they are no such thing, Hillary convinced West Virginia values that she is on the side of hard working poor white people, even though she has voted in the Senate in ways that support the bankers and other capitalists. But Hillary has convinced a lot of the TPM community of the same thing, so naiveté isn't limited to poor uneducated white West Virginia voters. Their votes are to be taken as seriously as those of progressive educated TPMers. Let's work to win them away from the right wingers, and we won't do that be denigrating them.

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What I said to my WV stepmom during the '04 election.
me: "what's that there?"
stepmom: " mama's social security check, we use it to pay for her house and some groceries and stuff."
me: "you know, Bush policy is trying to reduce the amount you get in that check. I'd be surprised if he even cares about your mom and her check. social security is something that Kerry and Democrats want to keep and maintain."
stepmom: "hm"
She still voted bush because I'm a pretentious liberal and she watches FOX news, but we can surely hammer these points home in WV. Dem policies help working voters and retirees in poor communities.

We do not want WV picking the next president. We also do not want SC or NY or Charlie Gibson or Donna Brazille picking the next president. That said, it is really surprising to me the lengths the Obama campaign with the always helpful press has gone to portray poorer less educated working class democrats (minus the AA subgroup in their camp) as ignorant racist hillbilly right-wingers. Politics, I guess.

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I think I do want Donna Brazile making the selection, but certainly not Lanny Davis.

Well, you got it.

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Please knock off the denigration of one state over another. If you think for one minute that's a theme of Obama's, you've missed his boat entirely.

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Barack Obama is no eltist, but you certainly are.

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