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Clinton's Words Rule Her Out Completely
Read this in its entirety before you scream.
In the event that Hillary Clinton's dark vision of the future ever comes to pass (God, forbid it!), history will record the clouded question of her role in the plot.
Just as a minority still attribute the assassination of JFK to Vice-President Johnson (one of many conspiracy theories), there would be some who pick at the psychic scab of another presidential hit for decades afterward and come to their own conclusions.
None of this is to say that Hillary has or ever would play any role whatsoever. Even I regard her as far above such diabolical plans. But she has raised the shadow of a direct threat, the specter of far too much in the balance. While she was speaking about the RFH assassination, her top fundraiser, Hassan Nemazee , was voicing an implied threat of Obama's failure if Hillary is not included on the ticket.
As he told TPM today: "It goes without saying that this argument is predicated on the fact
that the single most important aspect of Senator Obama's decision is
who is able to serve as president in a moment's notice should that need
arise. And it is clear that Hillary Clinton fills that role."
A moment's notice. Assassination. Succession.
IF the worst were to happen to Obama, the one person the country could least tolerate to succeed him would be Clinton. The country would become a battleground of rumors and riots. Rather than stepping up to heal a nation, she would be viewed by too many as stepping in to reap the benefits of tragedy.
She cannot ever be vice-president under Obama. True, she is guilty of no more than ambition and poorly chosen words. But that is enough to rule her out completely now.





Comments (32)
Proofreading. Ah, well... RFH is obviously RFK.
May 23, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. How could she not see that by even raising the subject, should it happen, she would forever remain under a cloud of suspicion? She is sadly, and frighteningly like 'Gollum' from Lord Of The Rings.
May 23, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
new10 - Gollum. You nailed it. A walking corpse of ambition and greed.
PS - June 3, 2008 is the new January 20, 2009.
May 23, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
A walking corpse of ambition and greed. Wow, I like that. May I use it in future posts? Seriously, I like it.
May 23, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
bubbalewy: Be my guest! :)
new10: I used "Hillary Gollum Clinton" in a later post... Hope you don't mind. Will reference you next time... :)
May 24, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. Hilly-Billy, the gift that keeps on taking.
May 24, 2008 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons never think that far ahead. If I've learned one thing from this primary season, it's that the CLintons focus only on their next immediate political goal. And if it's going to benefit them, they are incapable of seeing how it may not benefit anyone in the larger picture. They are incapable of planning, strategy, weighing consequences, looking at a larger picture outside of their political needs.
She is intellectually and psychologically unfit for leadership. She can serve, and I do believe she wants to serve. And there are probably any number of jobs at which she could excel. But she is incapable of leadership.
Of course, that's one in a long line of inconvenient truths that Hillary could never accept.
May 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, my! My thoughts in your keyboard!
She lacks principles to guide her and she lacks a Whole Picture Vision of where to go and how to get there.
This has been always obvious to me.
May 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's exactly it. Hillary has 10-point plans; Obama has a vision that matches my vision. Many may suggest that his vision is just empty words, but he speaks of the America I've been missing the past 7 years: bold, morally righteous. Hillary may someday yet be a good president; I believe Obama has a chance to be a great president.
May 24, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
7 years? Lucky you!
I've been missing it, it seems forever...
May 24, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, every crazy, every fruitcake, every conspiracy theory nut, every tin foil covering the windows psycho, every tooth filling signal receiver, wingnut lucianne.com denizen would agree with you.
May 23, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, BevD. That's the point. I wouldn't agree with them. But the rumprs would be out there. And if Hillary inherited the presidency from Obama on "a moment's notice," I guess I would have to consider her words together with her insatiable ambition and ruthlessness in pursuit of the White House. Not guilty. But suspicious.
May 23, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is really, really insane. I'm serious, it's so stupid, so ignorant, so meritless that I really do fear for this country. This is why propaganda works, people are deliberately obtuse, they don't want a reasonable explanation, they want to think the very worst, they want to scare the hell out of themselves, they enjoy it.
May 23, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
BevD, there's nothing obtuse about finding Sen. Clinton's remarks scary, coming on the heels of her protracted inability to relinquish the nomination, her repeated insinuations and "kitchen-sink" mentality, her chief fundraiser's confirmation that she desires the veep slot at a minimum, and his reference to her readiness to succeed in the event of an assassination — on the very day Hillary herself mentioned it overtly. This is creepy. If you can't see that, too bad. Next time, don't lump me in with tin-foil helmeted space cadets.
May 23, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
And don't forget...Hillary already has the crazies going on and on about their conspiracy theories; Vince Foster among others. I give those theories as much credit as the emails about Obama being muslim, but some folks still believe in both theories. This adds to the suspicion around her.
That said I don't for a second believe that she meant anything but "these things can go - and have gone - through June. Here are some examples. Lay off and let me campaign." And I think it's insane that they're giving this one line so much air play. Silly season, indeed.
May 24, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
One more thing, BevD: In two weeks, it will be the 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination.
May 23, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now you've done it - we're going to have to denounce you for bringing out the crazies, especially after Bronx Girl declared Obama the first black Kennedy. Expect about 3 dozen postings to draw and quarter you for the next few days. Why did you bring up the anniversary?
May 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why? Maybe is a follow-up on Hillary's comments?
May 24, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I take it everyone's now watched Olbermann's Special Comment.
But for what it's worth I've concluded that Hillary really is so damned polarising. She loses it so often and when she does, she has everyone else losing it too!
Do check out Jonathan Alter tonight - lucid, well reasoned, *sane*.
"Clinton's Big Mistake"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
May 23, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
BevD,
FYI, I vividly remember when Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated. For me, the George Wallace, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan shootings practically happened yesterday. Have you considered that THREE presidential killings have already taken place in this country? Dismissing the valid concerns of those of us who fear that Senator Obama is a target for extermination is a bit disingenuous.
Are you aware of the reasons why Senator Obama and his family received Secret Service protection prior to the other presidential candidates? Did you know that Secret Service agents assigned to his detail stopped performed weapons searches on attendees at one Obama rally because the "crowd seemed friendly"? The fact that multiple current and former African-American Secret Service agents have pending lawsuits against the service alleging pervasive racial discrimination should tell you something of the current agency mindset. Have you forgotten the words spray-painted on the Indiana campaign office that was recently vandalized? Or the Georgia newspaper that received national censure for a recent article illustrated with a picture of the senator in the cross-hairs of a rifle scope? The voting patterns in Kentucky, West Virginia and Pennsylvania speak for themselves.
In light of the push to make Hillary Clinton a viable candidate for vice-president should Obama win the party nomination, I'm keeping my tinfoil hat. Sadly, I am not an optimist but a realist. Senator Clinton's overtures to the "vast right-wing conspiracy", the status of the Federal Elections Commission, voter caging, the federal attorney firings...it's all interconnected. As a Republican who has worked on more than a few winning races, I have some understanding of what sort of tactics will surface in November.
As an African-American woman, I also pay attention to what seems to be a growing sense of outrage among some members of certain demographic who openly state that Obama needs to be killed if he is elected president. Combine this sentiment with comments made by both Clintons that indicate they view the presidency as an entitlement that is rightfully theirs and that Hillary Clinton is essentially the last "Great White Hope" for the country. Hillary Clinton could have easily made her point about Robert Kennedy's campaign without mentioning the assassination a few days after the sniper illustration. Her comment was no Freudian slip; it was a meme.
May 24, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I tend to agree with you that it was not a slip up. The thought is calculated and I think she has raised this issue repeatedly to remind voters of the risk they are taking with Obama. That's cold and calculating and crass. It's as low as you can go. It's very consistent with her message that "you can't win without my white voters."
May 24, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The last major political assassination was a woman, Benazir Bhutto. People have been hating on Hillary for 20 years. She knows very well that the threat is as dangerous for her as for Obama. So there's no good reason to assume she's trying to put that meme out there. She was noting quite a lot of us remember those bygone Junes when the nomination process was still being fully contested, and the idea of going to the convention wasn't looked on with horror. More in Flashback.
May 24, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Al Gore - THAT's who could step in at a moment's notice. But never Hillary.
May 24, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
bill clinton raised that idea early on about the roll of the dice. It seems that bill and hill are riding the tiger and unable, even if they wanted to, get off. And hill will stalk Barack all the way to inaguration, with the blessings of her party leaders and SD's. Change is not easy and you have to work against incredible odds for it to happen.
May 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
we are the insurgency, just like ted kennedy was in the 1980's. the establishment will not go quitley into that good night.
May 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
"IF the worst were to happen to Obama, the one person the country could least tolerate to succeed him would be Clinton. The country would become a battleground of rumors and riots. Rather than stepping up to heal a nation, she would be viewed by too many as stepping in to reap the benefits of tragedy."
This is a good point. We've seen how conspiracy theories are created in situations where they are inconcievable. (9/11 comes to mind: here we had a clear villain who all but took explicit credit for the attack and still people create extremely fantastical conspiracy theories)
If HRC was VP, and something did happen, true or false, much of the country, perhaps a majority, and most of the world, would clearly think she had something to do with it. This would discredit the government domestically and internationally, and riots and recriminations would bring the nation to a halt.
For this reason alone, the words were unwise.
She's effectively handed Obama the reason why she won't be picked.
May 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for getting my point.
May 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the post. Especially considering all of the ill will the Clintons have generated over the past 16 years, the questionable money deals, the amoral campaigning, the philandering, and now this delusional continuation of Hillary's campaign... These folks are more ripe for a sexy conspiracy theory than anyone else in public life today.
And the saddest thing of all is that the Clintons could care less about any such conspiracy theories, as long as they land in the White House. Nothing else matters to them, not integrity, not their lifelong allegiance to Black causes, nothing. They happily accept and boast about the support of racists, of Karl Rove. They supported the denial of votes to Florida and Michigan delegations until such denial was against their interests, now suddenly they lecture about voting rights and the 2000 election. They will do whatever it takes, including hoping for, and planning for, a vicious, cruel act of fate.
May 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Hillary Clinton was pretty much out of the running for VP anyway, right? I don't really see that this ill-timed and ill-thought-out comment changes that all too much.
And if we are going to force ourselves to imagine the unimaginable, a scenario in which someone was to step into the Presidency within a heartbeat, then surely that person would be someone who shares the vision and the ideals of the President? Someone who, in the aftermath of a tragedy, would rally the country to the same vision that they had already come to vote for at the ballot box? I'm pretty sure that after this divisive primary campaign, that person isn't Hillary Clinton.
May 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
...but yes, if you must add yet another reason to the list of "Why Hillary won't be veep", then by all means add your conspiracy theorist reason. But I hardly think it's the death knell.
May 24, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desidero,
This country ain't exactly Pakistan. Benazir Bhutto was warned about returning to Pakistan. She personally failed to take appropriate precautions at her last public appearance even when she was aware of the risks. Hillary Clinton's actions are inexcusable in light of the personal security protection that she still receives as a former First Lady.
May 24, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You wish!
May 24, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
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