What about Obama on Russert at almost the same time?

The hipocrisy is stultifying.

Shouldn't that be mehehehhethinks?

Yeah, Steve, I'm dying to know this, too. Is the WVWV scandal getting local play in NC? (Or, at the very least, are WVWV-targeted voters getting the corrected information?)

Getting no play at all in my local rag. But, on the upside, neither is Wright. I'd tell you how it was doing on local TV, but, except for the occaisional anchorwoman crush, I haven't been able to stand local news since the early 80s.

The man's been an integral part of the Clintons' id since the 90s. No surprise to me.

I thought it was "Arrrrr!"

Umm, me hearty.

I tried to answer you in another post, but, between the software and all the people flogging the Kantor thing, it got shoved off the list so I'll try it here.

Here's how it could happen and all too often does. Its a story as old as power itself.

When you're younger, its easy to think you can dabble in the Dark Side from time to time, because you think the urgency of your need, the nobility of your objective and your inability to achieve it by any other means will keep you from paying for it with a piece of your soul. Besides, politics ain’t beanbag, revolution isn’t a dinner party and if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Then you do it again, and again, and again, and each time the end is a little less urgent than the last, the goal a little less noble, and the need a little less pressing. By the time you're 60, you don't even think about it as a moral problem. Its just one more tool in your toolbox that you’ll use just because it’s the first one that came to hand. Then one day, you wake up, realize you're Sith and find you don't have a problem with that. It’s just another, more sophisticated, way of looking at things, a mere difference in outlook.

There's a reason so many of our myths and stories, popular and classical, revolve around this theme. From “Macbeth” to “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” from “Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde” to “All the King's Men,” from Faust to Tolkien to George Lucas. We tell the same cautionary tale over and over again in as many different guises as we can think of, and yet there are always people, smart, skilled, ambitious people, who never seem to learn the lesson. People who dismiss those who point out the very practical point--a principle enshrined in our Constitution's system of checks and balances--that people are weak and that the only thing more corrupting than power is the pursuit of power, as "naive" and unworldly dreamy idealists. And then the naïve, unworldly idealists invariably just have to sadly watch as they headlong over the edge and into the abyss.

How many Hillarites have you seen here and elsewhere saying the ends justify the means? It seems to be a common theme for them, and they really believe it. How many Obama supporters have you seen shrieking for Obama to go negative on Hillary and put her out of our misery? It's as hard a lesson to accept as "desire causes suffering" (or, its Christian equivalent, "sell all that you own, give it to the poor, and follow me") although its far easier to apply.

So, yeah, it could happen, does happen and will always happen. I no longer have any doubt that that’s what happened to Bill and Hillary, I just wonder when it happened. Because let’s be honest; even as we were defending them from the real forces of darkness, from Gingrich, and Starr, Limbaugh and DeLay, most of us always knew the two of them were capable of putting on the ring of power from time to time. Far too many of us were even approving, found it emotionally satisfying to see the enemy’s wanton destructiveness repaid in the same coin. Many still do—its like a drug they can’t kick.

In hindsight, I guess I willed myself to believe they would know when to stop, that they were smart enough to know there’s a point at which you will have sacrificed the person you thought you were and wanted to be on the alter of your own ambition. There’s some real naiveté for you.

So my question is really one of timing: when did it happen? When did they cross that point? Had it already happened when I was still defending them, or was it something that happened to them late in his presidency or after? Not that it really matters now. I’m just curious about whether I was being played for a fool, or was merely foolishly joining them in believing there would be an end to it.

Oh, I see. Its okay for Hillary to try to get actual, real right wing talking points going in an echo in liberal media while simultaneously decrying anyone who questions what, exactly, it was she was doing during her 35 years for repeating "right wing talking points."