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Clinton being Crucified ala Al Gore
2000All Al Gore wanted to do was count the FL votes. To find out who won the presidential election.
On cable news, the mantra was "STOP, Al. You are HURTING THE COUNTRY." and "Americans just want to move on."
"People on the street" were interviewed, all saying the same thing: "Americans just want to move on."
The election was OVER. Why did Al want to keep dragging this on. It was really hurting the country.
We were all lulled into resignation. The democratic party took the easy route, sighed, and gave up.
As a result, thousands and thousands of people were murdered. Thousands of Americans have lost their homes. The middle class is a peasant class, while CEOs get billion dollar salaries. Our economy is far out of wack.
2008Cable news chanting in unison again.
"Get out, Clinton! You are hurting the democratic party by finishing the primary process! You are hurting the country! You are a divider, Clinton."
Same mantra.
Are we going to sigh and cave?
If so, our options are between a candidate who should be in assisted living enjoying shuffleboard, and a mediocre neophyte with little record, soft ethics, poor health and economic proposals and very bad judgement in the company he keeps.
We will be tossing a star - a brilliantly informed, relentlessly hard working candidate with amazing accomplishments, including the recent child car safety bill that went through the senate - but you never heard about because things like this are not important to the media.
A weak president is important to the corporations that puppeteer news hacks like Tim Russert, Chris Matthews and Campbell Brown.
A weak president means a weak America, which means more control and money for corporations. More lucrative wars, richer CEOs, and desperate employees - who will work for less and less.
Are we going to sigh and cave and stop the democratic process in its tracks?







Comments (25)
Now a word from the Obama Trolls.
Take it away, boyz.
May 9, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nope no trolling. However, I do wish you would format your posts a bit better. They are difficult for this old man to read.
May 9, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe slumlord should also work on writing complete sentences:
"A weak president is important to the corporations that puppeteer news hacks like Tim Russert, Chris Matthews and Campbell Brown."
This, slumlord, is not only poop, it's crap.
PS - Where was Hillary during Al Gore's fight for FLA? Nowhere. Why? She wanted to challenge for the Presidency in 2004. It's a shame, bc George W. Bush really ruined the country in the meantime. I wish she fought for Democrats in 2000, instead of "micro-trending" toward 2004.
May 9, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that sentence is complete. It's just a creative use of "puppeteer" as a verb :)
Still, you smacked slumlord down verbally with, it's "not only poop, it's crap." I think the comparison of Gore 2000 to calls for Clinton to drop (months old now) are valid. I'm sure the Clintons gave Gore all of the help he wanted (he had tried to distance himself from WJC during the campaign).
May 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Al Gore didn't end the recount because Russert told him to - the Supreme Court ordered it.
May 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Clinton isn't being "crucified." She ran a bad campaign. She got beat fair and square. She should have planned past Super Tuesday and hired people with brains, not just loyalty. She had this thing in the bag, and she lost it all on her own.
May 9, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only way she is hurting the party is that she is continuing to try to divide the Dems based on race and gender instead of focusing on her rational for the nomination.
If she was just trying to give the final states their say and to work hard to have the people of Florida & Michigan heard then that would be respectful overall; but she is still trying to tear down the person that has beaten her in hopes that she can get the party to change their minds after the fact.
Sorry, your comparison of Clinton wanting to stay in the race and Gore v Bush in Florida just doesn't hold up.
May 9, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. I couldn't f'ing believe it at the time.
Thanks for bringing up Al Gore and the 2000 election, "Present." Your point is very important.
Lincoln Chafee describes the complacency inside Congress in his new book. Here's a must-hear interview with Terry Gross and an excerpt:
Spooky parallels.
May 9, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
There really aren't parallels, sorry.
Clinton actually has lost and nobody has tried to steal the election from her. Gore was out played in the media by the Bush team who painted him as a sore looser because he wanted the votes in Florida recounted (as they should have been). He had a legitimate and specific rational for fighting on; unfortunately for Clinton she no longer has one.
May 9, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're typical of Obama supporters at TPM: stubbornly literal.
Also typical of Obama supporters, you haven't uttered a single fact or backed up any claims with quotes, links, or perspective.
Thanks for your facile if useless read!
May 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Readytoblowagasket!
Great passage!
May 9, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blame the national party and the local parties for the Florida/Michigan debacles. While I agree that Hillary is a brilliantly informed, relentlessly hard-working candidate with significant (not quite amazing) accomplishments, who might have made a better candidate or president, she has not been able to convince enough primary voters/caucus goers that this is the case. I also agree that she has been unfairly pilloried in both the mainstream media as well as by liberals disaffected by her support of the war and disappointed in the squandered promise of her husband's administration. I think you're being a little too tough on Obama though. True he is a neophyte with fewer accomplishments to his name (he's only in his mid-40s), but he has caught the imagination of voters and has also proved brilliant, dignified, and sincere. Hopefully, he can carry those to victory in November. Even if Fl. and MI were to vote, it wouldn't make a difference at this point. Only an enormous blunder would turn this thing around.
May 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
By mid 40's you should have more than
where you went to college,
cheating a little old lady out of her state senate
seat, and Tony Rezko.
May 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, Armchair G. I read one of your posts before where you spoke about inadvertently becoming a Clinton defender from challenging the baseless attacks, like charges of race baiting. I’ve pretty much been in the same camp. And I accept that Clinton has lost, but it’s not because of the numbers. She has lost because of the spin accepted as CW that asserts she cannot win and is damaging the party (purposely) by stubbornly hanging on. Of course, looking at the numbers objectively and conceding that FLA and MI must be counted, it’s obvious that she still had a shot at winning the popular vote. With better electability numbers against McCain that could be persuasive at the Convention. Now that the narrative line says she has lost, the turnout in the remaining states will be depressed and there is no hurry to count MI and Fla.
Dean and the DNC knew they were going to have a problem all along with the “punishment” of the voters in those states. It is meaningless to make a deal over their votes, 50-50 or whatever, because they are not being counted unless they are appropriated the way that they voted. It is also meaningless to seat them after the race has been decided. Again, they ‘re not being counted if they are just added in without impacting the race (and timing for impact is what the fight was about in the first place). Without the “already out of the race” tag, Clinton would win very big in WV, PR and Kentucky (and may still by 25-40%); probably enough to take the lead in popular vote (with Fla and a MI compromise).
Obama’s camp has successfully spun the media into agreeing that the numbers are impossible for Clinton and I believe the party leaders are consenting to that story to avoid the mess that is surely coming over MI/Fla and a divided party. I’m not a big fan of Obama but I have to admit he is a good politician. I definitely want to see him elected. But with the political problems he has (Wright, etc.) and the divisiveness of the primary (many Clinonites will stay home and I can’t blame them), I think he will have problems doing that. I can’t believe that with Clinton’s loss being accepted as a given, she is still being demonized. Even TPM is still attacking her for actually talking out loud about winning white voters instead of a focusing on McCain, Obama supporters are just alienating more Democrats.
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May 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smart comment. Thanks.
May 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think your avatar just about explains your real POV. Why engage in conversation after that? Coupled with the fact that your post is so laden with ad hominem attacks, what is your real goal besides insult?
Your first comment on your own blog belies this intent.
May 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're a troll, and someone who is so insecure in the weakness of his argument that he must throw a tantrum, toss an insult because he's so fragile and can't take criticism.
Al Gore would find your silly rant...silly. Listen to Donna Brazille if you want to get an idea of where he'd be coming from. Ridiculous!
May 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your comment is like a performance piece in irony.
May 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary being crucified, My Arse! She is the one who keeps setting the Crosses on fire.
May 9, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need to stop drinking the Clinton Kool-Aid. Seriously. Hillary agreed to the rules before the primary began. Michigan and Florida violated them. It was those states Democratic parties who disenfranchised their voters not Obama.
However, in the spirit, of fairness. I think both MI and FL should split their delegates 50/50 so they can be seated at the convention.
May 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton pushes Hi-C, not Kool Aid.
Obama has Kool Aid and Hawaiian Punch.
Just clarifying :)
May 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is not that she is being asked to leave before the end of the primary process. All most reasonable people is asking is that she stop employing a 'divide and conquor' campaign. It may be too late for her to stop as 'divide and conquor' has been such a successful tactic for so very long for both republicans and sometimes democrats, that it may take rehabilitation for most of them to stop. But as an example of the feminine in all of us, she could show true leadership and class by not employing that tactic from now until the end of the primary season.
May 9, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Divide and conquer? You mean what you Obama
Trolls have done in the democratic blogs?
Harass, spit on, and alienate the Clinton people so
that they lose respect for Obama, who obviously is
aware of what is going on?
Or are you talking about something else?
I have seen no evidence of any "divide and conquer"
tactic from Clinton.
May 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You're typical of Obama supporters at TPM: stubbornly literal."
You are stubbornly stupid. Why don't you go away and come back when you learn how to think.
May 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
zing! What are you, 10?
I think my brother said things like that when he was 10.
May 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
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