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Bush/Obama "Appeasement" Flap: Chris Matthews Lays the Smack Down on Right Wing Mouthpiece Kevin James (Video)
Tonight on MSNBC's Hardball, Chris Matthews was discussing the recent comments made by Bush in Israel about the "appeasement" of terrorists. His guests were Mark Green of Air America Radio (a major HRC supporter) and right wing radio host and mouthpiece Kevin James.
James started going off on the appeasement issue and Neville Chamberlain was brought up as an example. Turns out Kevin James doesn't know any history past his own GOP talking points. Say what you will about Chris Matthews (and I'll probably agree with you), but Chris nails this guy unlike anything I've seen on the MSM, ever.
Watch the sparks fly, about one minute into the clip:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24643905#24655385














Comments (67)
This was the best tv I've seen all year. Kevin James, I'm sorry to say, is a moron.
May 15, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you sorry to say that? ;)
May 15, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I try to avoid calling people names in general. But I suppose if the shoe fits...
May 15, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I suppose your statement is rather unfair to morons. Some morons are rather nice, you know.
May 15, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. I suppose I should have used better descriptors for Kevin James. How's this, he's a loud-mouthed, intellectually bankrupt, historically ignorant, right wing tool. Would that be acceptable to all the nice morons? :)
May 15, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Works for me!
May 15, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto.
May 15, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hold it! My tools object to the comparison to Kevin James. They can be used to accomplish something, unlike Kevin.
The tools informed me that sphincter is a good choice though. Being that James is a right wing radio host, sphincter would probably be the best description.
He opens up and spews it everywhere.
May 16, 2008 5:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I saw this transpire. Some surrogates are only talking points deep.
Same with some Presidents.
May 15, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
And some Presidents trip over their own Talking Points!
In some ways, I'm gonna sorta miss Bush.
May 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately he'll be available on the web till kingdom come!
May 16, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is Keith Olbermann and his Special Comment forcing other talking heads to find some backbone, too?
May 15, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush, McCain, James all disgrace themselves in the same day - they must be desperate. MSM acting like the fourth estate. What next?
May 15, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope this clip gets in front of every single voter by this fall. This is the Republican 'machine', motormouths and bullies.
Whatever you think of Chris Matthews, he hadnled this extraordinarily well. It was important to let this clown talk and talk and talk, until he had hung himself.
Outstanding, Chris!
May 15, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know...here's the big secret:
These right winger talking heads...they're not very smart!
They've been treated with kid gloves by the MSM for 8 years and they come on every program with the same scripted BS and they blather on and on about nothing and they're not challenged.
And now, we've got them just where we want them. They've been lulled to a point where they're ripe for the picking by a motivated anchor of only slightly better than average intelligence, who's willing to call them on their bullshit.
This could be a REALLY fun GE campaign season, if there are a few in the MSM who are willing to go for it.
May 15, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Parrots! Nothing but a bunch of parrots!
May 16, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was beautiful. Penned another letter to Mr. Matthews; if he can keep that no-spin zone going, I might start watching again.
May 15, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's always good to get a reminder about what an asshole Bush is, how dangerous he is, and how important it is to keep his lapdog McCain out of the White House.
May 15, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question: Why do some people call Chris Matthews "Tweety?" (I'd love an explanation, cuz I don't get it...)
ANYWAY, this was glorious television. Compelevision, even. MSM hosts that want to get some credibility back after 8 years of Bush aiding & abetting, should pull this stuff out on their flimsy Republican guests.
May 15, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its my understanding that he was given that rather derisive moniker because his head resembles that of Tweety Bird. From the old Warner Brothers Loony Tunes cartoons.
May 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. He is kinda yellow and chirpy sometimes, I guess....
May 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it's the shape of his head and that straw yellow hair.
I've also noticed a similarity between Tim Russert and Heat Miser, and Anderson Cooper with Cold Miser (from the classic kids program The Year Without a Santa Claus), but as of yet, I haven't found someone with the Youtube skills to edit the video clips together for me.
May 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, this guy was easy pickings if Matthews could challenge him. Tweety isn't so bright himself...
That said it is wonderful to see MSNBC grow a backbone. The question now is whether the backbone is because it's ratings season or if this is a sign of more to come.
C'mon CNN...you're next...
May 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Granted it is about time that Mathews stood up to one of those empty-headed right-wing gabbers- but Kevin James is strictly a third or fourth stringer. I want to see a Smerconish smack-down. Then I would be willing to give Matthews some measure of respect.
May 15, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this exposure might lead to some bench time!
May 16, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I kinda like Smerconish. Everytime I see or hear him, he seems even-keeled and levelheaded, for a conservative talk show host. Is he more partisan on his radio show in Philly?
May 16, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn. What a moron.
But then like AudioGuy says, it would nicer to see Matthews do this to some of the more higher profile gasbags.
May 15, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
That dude can be soooo right, but because he loves politics sooo much, he gets caught up in covering them.....plus what I see from him is he is a kiss up kick down type person if I had to guess.
May 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
yup
May 16, 2008 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chris Matthews can really burn my biscuit sometimes, but that was brilliant. That Kevin James guy CLEARLY didn't know what Bush was talking about and instead of admitting it (and looking like a fool) he just yelled a lot (and still looked like a fool).
May 15, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
How repugnant. How embarrassing. For all.
May 15, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was excellent.
May 15, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once in a while I wish that TPM posters would get away from fixating on the MSM and actually focus on the issues. What Chris Mathews did or didn't do is doodley squat in the grand scheme of things. What Bush said today--and McCain echoed--is WWIII material.
May 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. Chris Matthews made the point in dramatic fashion that people like Kevin Jones and other Republican talking heads who are throwing around the word "appeasement" really don't know what the word even means. Talk about empty rhetoric.
May 15, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The thing about the MSM is that so many people look to it as their primary source of news and information. Not everyone knows how to get to the truth through the internet. Too many people really do think that Fox is fair and balanced. So it's important for us to give credit to the rare instances of integrity in the MSM, in the hope that they will start raising the bar again.
May 15, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how the MSM is spinning shit will matter a whole hell of a lot in the coming months.
May 15, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
That shit was funny. First Chris and Andrea are laugh at Pat Buchanons ridiculous stances...and the next day this.....Oh, and Hi KateO....It's a rackit. I don't agree with Dana Milbank on this one, Bush and them wanted to steal Obama's thunder. People have been ignoring Bush more and more lately. They created news, and we are talking about what they wanted.Yes all, I still understand it has to be talked about.
May 15, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I kept waiting for Chris to simply say "who is Neville Chamberlain?" Or "tell me some facts about Neville Chamberlain?" Or "did Neville Chamberlain have a mustache, a beard, or neither?"
May 16, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
How is this relevant? So Neville and Adolf both had 'staches, so what? Are you implying that all mustachioed men and women are mass-murdering psychopaths? I call on Josh Marshall not to appease mustachiophobia. You and your music should be banned immediately.
May 16, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe it's called "Snideley Whiplash Syndrome."
May 16, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
How do I know you're not hiding a mustache behind that avatar, hmmm?
May 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Due credit to Chris. Loved his link to Perino's ignorance of CMC. KJ will likely never see the light of day again. Green also comported himself well - the classic when someone is screaming, lower your voice and you're actually heard better. Wow - that's truly a career-stumbling, possibly ending moment for KJ - whatever that 'career' consisted of.
My fave Chris comment was, "Why are you yelling?" HAAA HAAA - he couldn't even finish that w/ a straight face.
Thanks for link - made my day. All I could do is salivate at the schooling smack-downs to come.
May 16, 2008 2:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
At first, I found this funny, but then I put some thought into the issue as a whole. Chris mathews is a bully. I think it's really fake that he would do this to some no name radio wingnut. This whole false and flawed president originated with the president, but Matthews never makes that connection. I would venture to guess that Jr also does not know who Chaimberlain was or what he did. When Tweety gets the balls to ask Jr this to his face, then I will applaude him. For now, congrats, you just made a retard look like a retard on national tv. If you want, I have some puppies you can stomp on later.
May 16, 2008 4:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
That "radio wing nut" was on national television trying to his best to help smear the likely Democratic presidential nominee with Bush's analogy to Hitler!
Its not bullying to demand that James be able to defend his attempted smear with some kind of argument. James couldn't even do that.
Matthews did not make James look like anything. He only enabled James to reveal the truth about himself. And that is Chris' job. James ABSOLUTELY deserved to be clearly seen for the fool that he is.
May 16, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Rent a no-name wing-nut!"
May 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chris was on fire. Love the face's he was making at the guy as he was schooling him literally. Poor (not really) Kevin just keep turning redder and redder to the point he couldn't even talk in sentence's anymore and he just keep saying "appeasement, 38, 39, whenever you want, appeasement he was an appeaser, appeasement"... Oh man was that fricken classic.
I watched it during the first showing, and then tuned in later to watch it again. Great stuff.
With this guy and McAuliffe, Chris has been pretty good dealing with that joker also in the past week on Morning Joe (he co-hosted this week) and Hardball during Tuesdays WV coverage.
May 16, 2008 5:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
As others have said up thread this guy is a minor leaguer. But, who know ANYONE could make Sean Hannity look like a member of MENSA?
May 16, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Two comments:
1. How sad it is that this kind of simple fact-checking is something that gets celebrated. That is the press doing its job.
2. Sadly, this stuff does matter. When the Iran drumbeats start to roll, appeasement will be front and center and there will be dozens in the army of stupid repeating what that idiot had to say.
May 16, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
IRAN WILL NEVER USE A NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL, OR ANNYONE ELSE. Or any place else. They want something to threaten with. Just like all the other Countries that have those types of weapons do.
May 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
SO gratifying to watch. I'm not a big fan of Mr. Matthews, but even he has a his good days.
Kevin James is just another example of these wingnut blowhards, who have strong, sweeping opinions on subjects they don't have a clue about.
I disagree that Matthews was being a bully: if you accuse a candidate/elected official of being guilty of appeasement--which long ago became shorthand for comparing their actions to those of Chamberlain at Munich in '38--you should at least have some basic familiarity to what you are referring to; this idiot has no knowledge of something all of us learned in the 5th grade.
Robert
May 16, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Big deal.
What's missing from all of last night's coverage of the Knesset statements is any mention of the fact that all the members of the Knesset applauded Herr Bush's remarks as if they were at a homecoming football game.
Also missing was any challenge to the assumption that the #1 job for any U.S. president is to let Israel get away with murder, displacement, and cultural extermination. On the U.S. taxpayers' dollars, of course. (Israel being the ultimate Welfare Queen.)
And missing was any challenge to the idiotic assumption that Iran is a threat to anybody. Iran hasn't invaded or attacked anyone in 500 years. There is zero evidence it is on a path to a nuclear weapon. (And what the hell would they do with it anyway? Oh, yes. It would deter an Israeli/US attack -- since both outlaw states only attack the defenseless and the weak.) Also zero evidence that it has any role in attacks on US soldiers in Iraq. (Another unquestioned assumption: US soldiers get to murder anyone they feel like in Iraq. But murdering US soldiers in Iraq is a big deal.)
The Olbermanns and Matthews can bloviate against Bush all they want. Until they start challenge other basic assumptions, they are as much tools as the brownshirts over at Fox.
May 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"the #1 job for any U.S. president is to let Israel get away with murder"
Hey, I'm as much of a lefty as anyone, but it's bonehead comments like yours which make people think that supporting a two-state solution in Palestine is equal to an anti-Israel position.
Listen, Israel does get away with a lot, but they are our allies for a reason. Hopefully, one day an official Palistine can be our ally, too. Despite its racial conflict (which Jimmy Carter rightly compares to Apartheid), it's still, by far, the most progressive democracy in the middle-east, for cryin' out loud.
The reason they applauded Bush is because they're (understandably) biased toward themselves, duh, not because they're warmongers, or as bad as he is.
"Also zero evidence that it has any role in attacks on US soldiers in Iraq."
Now that's just not true. Elements in Iran are sending supplies and provoking conflict in Iraq. Not as much as the Bush admin would like you to believe, but there is some evidence to suggest that a few attacks on US soliders have been "sponsored" by Iran. It's fine to say that it's a tenuous link, but this isn't false intelligence, and to say "zero evidence" is dismissive and argumentative, and makes the rest of us anti-war folk look bad.
Listen, don't worry, it's okay to admit that Iran has bad actors, it doesn't mean you have to cede the high ground, or that you support invasion or anything.
"US soldiers get to murder anyone they feel like in Iraq. But murdering US soldiers in Iraq is a big deal."
Uh, I would argue that both are a big deal. Of course, America and its media have, surprise!, a bias towards ourselves, but that's true everywhere, not just in Israel and the US, you know.
Wait... are you saying that murdering US soldiers *isn't* a big deal??!?
May 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, I should say that I agree that Iran isn't the kind of threat the Bush admin claims. It *could* be a threat to the region, and yes, to Israel, but it probably won't ever mount a serious threat to them, and the US certainly has nothing to fear from Iran.
The thing we have to fear from Iran is the continued diplomatic hijinks which flare divided sentiment in the region. This is a big deal, one which has real consequences beyond their puny nuclear program, and hopefully, one which President Obama will address.
May 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
“Hey, I'm as much of a lefty as anyone, but it's bonehead comments like yours which make people think that supporting a two-state solution in Palestine is equal to an anti-Israel position.”
(What, no accusation of anti-Semitism?) What sort of “two-state settlement” are you talking about? One where Israeli Jews control all the arable land, all the water, all the access to entrances and exits out of the country, and all the major cities? And where the Palestinians live in Bantustans. No problem. That’s what we got now.
“Listen, Israel does get away with a lot, but they are our allies for a reason. Hopefully, one day an official Palestine can be our ally, too. Despite its racial conflict (which Jimmy Carter rightly compares to Apartheid), it's still, by far, the most progressive democracy in the middle-east, for cryin' out loud.”
Have you read Carter’s book? If you had, you wouldn’t be writing crap like this. Israel is the most progressive democracy in the region? Guess that’s why 80% oppose their government’s 60-year-old apartheid policies. Doesn’t matter what party wins. It just goes on and on. That’s why the society there is about as “progressive” as have been the Bush Years. The place has been Reaganized. It now has the one of the largest income disparities in the world. Much like here, due to becoming nothing but a warfare state, the infrastructure is collapsing. As is the school system. And the culture? Well, on the 60th Anniversary of the birth of the state, let’s just compare the “culture” of Israel with the culture of Iran.
Maybe the most offensive thing about the US telling Iran what to do about anything lies exactly in this area. Iran has, and has had for the past few decades, the richest and most turbulent culture in the world. The filmmakers. The painters. The novelists. The greatest poets in the world. It also has the most active political culture in the world, especially in the area of women’s rights. (Street active. Much like the US 1968.) Compared to Iran in these areas, the US is a wasteland. The great bulk of political “activity” here is sitting on one’s butt and blogging. Or sending money to Barack Obama using PayPal. (Hey, I love Obama, don’t get me wrong.)
And Israeli culture? To even ask the question is to answer it. Where are the great Israeli filmmakers, novelists, poets etc? Obviously, the talent is there. As it is here. But both society have been hijacked by vampires. So all they, and we, do is murder, invade, and tell others how to live.
“Wait... are you saying that murdering US soldiers *isn't* a big deal??!?”
Sure, it’s as big a deal as Wehrmacht soldiers being murdered by the French Resistance.
(And if you disagree with that, please explain exactly how the invasion of Iraq differs in aggression from the Nazi invasion of France. Aside from the fact that the resulting German Occupation was far more efficient.)
May 16, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone want to take this? Man, give an inch...
May 16, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see.
Well, in the words of the great Phil Ochs:
"I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I read New Republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I vote for the Democratic Party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal"
:-)
May 16, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! I'm actually being accused of not being a true liberal because I don't think that the US is the same as the Nazis...
Isn't that the comparison that we're lambasting Bush and James for making??
So is Obama not a true liberal, too? If it helps your simplistic mind to comprehend, I *do* think (know, rather) that Bush is a war criminal.
Seriously, no one is going to back me up here?
May 16, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
What, do you take us for fools?
OK, seriously. Mitchum has some points, as you already acknowledged, but I think you're spot on.
May 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
My favorite bit was when James's voice kept cracking and going up an octave the more panicked he became. I knew a kid in grade school who did the exact same thing when he was put on the spot.
May 16, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loved it when ardent Hillary supporter Mark Green stepped in and said somethingto the effect of, "James, when you're in a hole, the best advice is to stop digging."
May 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
how embarrassing chris behaved like a lunatic on that silly guy. too bad chris by defintion sort of wrong.
Appeasement, literally: calming, reconciling, acquiring peace by way of concessions ór gifts (the verb 'to pay' also goes back to the Latin 'pax' = peace). Most commonly, appeasement is used for the policy of accepting the imposed conditions of an aggressor in lieu of armed resistance, usually at the sacrifice of principles.
reconciling: put people back on friendly terms: to bring two or more people back into a friendly relationship with each other after a dispute or estrangement, or return to a friendly relationship
- end conflict: to solve a dispute or end a quarrel
- make somebody accept something: to persuade somebody or yourself to...
May 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
how embarrassing chris behaved like a lunatic on that silly guy. too bad chris by defintion was sort of wrong.
Appeasement, literally: calming, reconciling, acquiring peace by way of concessions ór gifts (the verb 'to pay' also goes back to the Latin 'pax' = peace). Most commonly, appeasement is used for the policy of accepting the imposed conditions of an aggressor in lieu of armed resistance, usually at the sacrifice of principles.
reconciling: put people back on friendly terms: to bring two or more people back into a friendly relationship with each other after a dispute or estrangement, or return to a friendly relationship
- end conflict: to solve a dispute or end a quarrel
- make somebody accept something: to persuade somebody or yourself to...
May 16, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush literally holds hands with a Saudi Prince and gets no additional oil, and Obama is the appeaser for suggesting negotiating from strength?
Where am I?
May 16, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that a trick question?
May 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to stray too off-topic, but: In public Bush does nothing but photo-ops & empty bluster with the Sauds. In no way does he want more oil from them. That would drop prices.
May 16, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kevin James (not the former sitcom star of "The King of Queens) is so damn loud. He's louder than Chris Matthews even. I didn't think that was possible.
May 16, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thinking out loud... the MSM do not lead, they follow. Chris Matthews will say and do anything that he thinks will get him higher ratings. It just so happens that right-wing loonies are a safe target now, with Bush's popularity tanking and Republicans bracing for a historic loss. Now it's okay to take part in the pile-on because more people will be pleased than outraged. The country is on a slightly leftward course and that changes what and how the MSM will write/say/show.
May 16, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
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