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Bob Herbert says Clinton Wins !!!!
...at leaving on a sour note.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/opinion/10herbert.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
"I don’t know if Senator Obama can win the White House. No one knows. But to deliberately convey the idea that most white people — or most working-class white people — are unwilling to give an African-American candidate a fair hearing in a presidential election is a slur against whites."
Looks like we better brace ourselves....
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Comments (20)
I also note that Mr. Herbert figures it time for some payback. He's opened the Clinton's closet and is starting to air out some of those old scandals.
May 10, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup! The column is not a paean of praise for hillary. Quite the contrary!
Amazing how one can extract a tiny quote to push a point that's not part of the article.
Oh, well....
May 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please see below for my apology at missing the point here!
May 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, and I can't say I blame Herbert. The Clinton people have been painting both Obama and his supporters with the dirty tricks brush from a long time ago, so what's there to lose? There's only a gain here if it helps to wake Clinton up.
May 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The chances that Bob Herbert would actually take a "chance" is your problem. Look to the Primary Colors fellow.
May 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
TheraP,
The whole thing (blog title and following line)reads like this:
"Bob Herbert says Clinton wins!!! ...at leaving on a sour note."
May 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know I missed that part. I appreciate your pointing that out to me. And I apologize to the poster. As well as to anyone else.
I read it in the Times this am. And found the column to be wonderful. Very sorry I missed the point here. And glad you took the time to set me straight!
May 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're very welcome.
May 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually missed the "sour note" line as well. Formatting problem...
May 11, 2008 8:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
great article
May 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/05/10/clintons_diminishing_of_black_voters/
Boston Globe
Clinton's diminishing of black voters
By Derrick Z. Jackson
Globe Columnist / May 10, 2008
IN HER long, sad self-diminution to being merely a white candidate for subsegments of white people, Hillary Clinton claimed to USA Today this week, "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on." Clinton exploited an Associated Press poll to say how "Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me . . . There's a pattern emerging here."
more stories like this
This was on top of Democratic strategist and Clinton supporter Paul Begala saying this week on CNN, "We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans. OK. That's the Dukakis coalition, which carried 10 states and gave us four years of the first George Bush. President Clinton, you know, reached across and got a whole lot of Republicans and independents to come."
This reaches across the aisle all right, straight to right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh, who has been urging people to vote for Clinton to prolong the Democratic primaries, said this week, "Barack Obama has shown he cannot get the votes that Democrats need to win: blue-collar working people. He can get effete snobs. He can get wealthy academics and he can get the young, he can get the black vote, that's about it."
Obama just got done being tarred and feathered as an elitist by Clinton and the talk shows for belittling "bitter" people in jobless small towns who "cling to guns or religion." Yes, that was dumb.
Yet here is Clinton dancing all over stereotypes. There is no way you can say in the same sentence, "hard-working Americans, white Americans," without diminishing black Americans as lazy.
May 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
IF Clinton must keep talking about white voters, I wish she'd say "a little over half of the less-educated white voters."
Because frankly? I'm white, and I'm insulted by her for assuming I'm voting by race. I'm insulted by her assuming any of us are voting by race. I'm insulted that she would assume--even if some voters ARE voting by race--that this is something that CAN'T CHANGE.
If it's the less-educated voters who are more easily swayed (and I do NOT think most of them are racists; I think most of them are clinging to what they know), then might not some education help change some minds? A college education isn't needed. Watching the political arena embrace the possibility of a black president who is WILLING TO ANSWER THEIR FEARS might do it.
Obama thinks it can change. I think that for our country to move forward, it HAS to change. I think this election is one of the best opportunities this nation has had in several DECADES to bring about that change.
May 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I definitely agree to that - I'm a highly educated, older white female, and I spent about 3.5 seconds thinking about how nice it would be to have a woman president before making the sensible choice in Obama. She makes a poor symbol of women's achievement, because she would not be a candidate for president, or most likely, not have become a senator, if she didn't marry Bill Clinton. She'd be a sharkish corporate lawyer and not much more.
May 10, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, you know, if you stay around long enough, chances are she's going to insult you...
May 11, 2008 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, payback is a bitch. I loved reading Herbert unloading. I also got the feeling that it was a coded message to the Clintons. He, and a whole lot of other people know a whole lotta other things. Maybe a warning shot off the bow. back down or we start writin'...
May 11, 2008 6:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
>The illusion that is Barack Obama
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>POLITICAL campaigning necessarily produces a wide gap between words and deeds. This is the price of bringing together a broad coalition with disparate interests. All effective politicians are at times authentically insincere or sincerely inauthentic. Exaggeration, embellishment, overstatement, doubletalk, deception and lies presented as metaphorical truths are the order of the day.
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>So, of course, Barack Obama is no different. He exaggerates the credit he deserves for a limited piece of ethics-reform legislation. He embellishes when he presents himself as having had a consistent record on the Iraq war when in fact he's done a fair amount of zigzagging.
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>He engages in doubletalk when, on free trade and Iraq, he tells the yokels one thing and the policy people another. He overstates when he presents his minimal accomplishments in the Illinois Senate as proof of his stature. He engages in systematic deception when he says he doesn't take money from lobbyists.
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>.. Article continues.
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>Alternatively, you can cut and paste this link into your browser:
>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23643866-5013948,00.html
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May 11, 2008 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here another article about your "scandal free" candidate and let me remind you about the saying "people living in glass houses,....": Subject: obama's secret fund
Here it is: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/26/be-my-friend-godfather/
May 11, 2008 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Suzie, editorials aren't really news articles, they're opinion pieces, generally loaded with conjecture and speculation... not fact.
Also, blogpostings from a racist who tried to push the myth that Obama was educated in an Islamic madrassah isn't a credible source of news.
I realize you're desperately clinging to whatever outlets let you stay wrapped up in the reality you want to believe is true, but this is just pathetic. Honestly.
May 11, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stroszek,
Thank you for taking the time to educate...
May 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Try not to be sour yourself.
May 11, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
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