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Are some voters voting Obama because they are WHITE?
After the surpisingly strong showing of Obama in North Carolina, I looked back over the various primaries and noted that there was a side-issue from the very first contest in Iowa : "We're not racist!"
If you're an African American and you support Clinton, you may have been called an "Uncle Tom".
If you're white and you support Clinton, you may have been accused of being racist.
There is a McCarthyist feel to this phenomenon and the vile tone of certain posts recalls the virulence of that period.
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Comments (15)
Maybe, I would not doubt that Obama captures the "we will help fix racial inequality with this vote" demographic. However, that usually is reflected in the polls (the Bradley effect) not in the voting booth, so there IS something different about this guy (even if its not necessarily the difference that he claims for himself).
As for the social pressure, I think it must be particularly strong on African Americans, but I think you are absolutely incorrect when you claim that Obamabots think that white voters for Hillary are automatically racist. I think people have claimed that Hillary has adopted race-baiting and racially divisive tactics, and people naturally assume that Hillary is winning the vote of people who are anti-black racists (just like most would admit that Obama has most likely won the votes of anti-white racists)
But I have not read on this board people claim that all Hillary Supporters automatically racist.
I don't know if you've noticed, but in the blogging world, people do get nasty. I disagree with the tone, I think it is unhealthy, but I think that TPM has been particularly calm compared to other boards (see MyDD or HuPo).
For what its worth, I would mention that many of Hillary's voters are particularly strident for her due to her gender and one can write similar things about claims made by her more loudmouthed supporters that you make about the more obnoxious Obama suppoters.
May 10, 2008 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with joypog.
May 10, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Voters are voting for Obama" for all sorts of reasons based upon their individually perceived needs and desires, and upon their individual views of the national scene and public discourse.
May 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are some voters voting Obama because they are WHITE?
Define what you mean by "some voters".
If Whites wanted to vote in great numbers for a bladck candidate, just because he is black, then they would have handed the nominations to Jackson and Sharpton.
Sharpen your point please.
May 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kathy,
I just read your previous posts, and discovered that you are a big time Hillary backer.
No need to reply to my previous post. I understand that you are just trying to stir up the racial divide just like Hillary is doing.
David Duke to Hillary Clinton:
"You had me at White Americans."
May 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a member of the group Hillary Clinton now claims ARE NOT "hard-working Americans, white Americans," let me assure you, black folks who voted for Hillary are not called "Uncle Tom." We just call them "stupid*."
White people who support Clinton are not "racists." Even those who are voting for Clinton because she is the "white woman." I call them nostalgic amnesiacs. People who have forgotten the traumas of the Clinton years because from the perspective of the Bush #43 years those days look like the "good ole days."
Sorry Kathy, but this year, try as you might, accusing people of "reverse racism" toward Clinton, is an argument that will get you nowhere.
*An objective look at the Clinton years shows they were not good times for minorities in America. To reinstate the Clintons, knowing their shortcomings and failures, and seeing no difference in the pandering politics of then and now, is sheer stupidity.
May 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's blatant race baiting is starting to cost the Clintons big time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/opinion/10herbert.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
May 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can honestly say that I have heard blacks voice the idea that some of us white folks are voting for Barack out of guilt. As if with our vote we are atoning for slavery and denial of civil rights. That's a sad commentary too. But I honestly doubt that is a primary motivation for anyone. Maybe an unconscious part of some people's vote. But isn't it a shame how some people simply can't get out of these "boxes" that make us look like we vote as a block for some nefarious purpose?
May 10, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me ask you dear,
Are some voters voting Obama because he is their best choice?
Maybe you think that only those voting Hillary are choosing for the right reasons. That posture doesn't show any depth of thinking.
Triangulation is old news, is more like self-strungulation. You can stop now, it won't get you anywhere.
May 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me assure whites and blacks that I am not voting for Obama because of his race. My vote is purely a vote against Hillary Clinton. I'd have voted for any of the other white guys who were running against her too.
May 10, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
The post says "some" -- and not "all".
When I viewed Tom Hanks's endorsement of Obama, there was references to America's historical record with blacks.
In a recent MSNBC, Edwards was asked by an African American if he thought that Hillary Clinton believes that Obama can't win because he's black. Edwards assured his interlocutor that he was sure Hillary thought that Obama could also win but that she also felt that she was the better candidate. Edwards seemed to be caught in a doublespeak and it was probably due to the dangerous explosiveness of this issue.
It seems to me that any time a person looks analytically at the voting results and expresses the idea that the wobbly segment of the Democratic party would be better secured by Hillary Clinton, he risks getting pegged as racist.
May 10, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course the answer is very clear:
When given the choice between a progressive, anti war
Democrat, and a race baiting, war mongering republicna like candidate who promises nuclear obliteration, then of course many democrats, regardless of their race, will opt to support the only democrat running for the nomination.
May 10, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Out of all of the things I have read online and heard from people this is one I haven't heard much at all. I think it may have been mentioned on one site, or maybe it is my inner psychi some where.
But the voting situation with Obama and Hillary Clinton isn't "Uncle Tomish" at all. And their for we(anyone who really understands the term) wouldn't be used in that fashion.
You would more than likely(amongst the 40 and under crowd) hear "sellout" over Uncle Tom, but both are a stretch. We as a people usually understand that you like who you like. It is the WHY you like who you like that is the real test. So without knowing the "WHY" those "would be black voters" actually vote for Hillary, we normally would not label them with such a racial slur. Its the kind of thing that starts a physical fight, and deservingly so. You just don't call someone that unless you have absolute proof that they had sold us out, sold their soul,or had lost complete respect for themselves.
As an example: African Americans that are racists to other African-Americans. In the south this was was much more apparent(possibly still is, I dont know) back in the early 90's.
Back to my point, I think this thought process is being perpetuated by the media and getting into some of our heads as a "possibility". As I dont really think many, if any black people of sound mind would unjustly use the term in this particular case.
Those that would are what I would coin as "crazy black people"(Id love to welcome them into my world, but its usually a lost cause, and THEY are many times the ACTUAL "Uncle Tom"). I turn them off in my mind like I turn Rush Limbaugh....I don't even hear that man anymore.
Case in point, crazy people don't matter in the real world we all live in.
Started by those close to Hillary Clinton(imo), and perpetuated by her herself and the media.
It is completely wrong and incorrect to label a white person(or any of us, aside from "crazy" people) as racist just because he/she likes Hillary Clinton, we all have our reasons, for everything in life(except crazy people), it is the WHY that matters.
May 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
And without knowing the "WHY" I cant judge or label them as such.
Racism shouldnt be tossed around the way it has been in the last 10 - 15 years. We need to be concentrating on making sure the young ones in the country do not become racist, or do not learn about it in such a way that they think is good, pure, right or Entertaining.
May 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's because of the diarists willingness to ignore facts. The only black people who've been denigrated to UT territory are those like Bob Johnson or Tubbs-Jones. But yeah, not all black people who support the Clinton's 3rd term are automatically called Uncle Tom's. If you act like a house negro, guess what?
May 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
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