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A Monster? NOT!
I know it's easy, when one hates another, to see anything good about them. Despite that fact, please, people, try.
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"I know it's easy, when one hates another, to see anything good about them..."
Yes, it is. Particularly when they've so well earned such feelings. Sociopaths tend to elicit that kind of response from normal folks.
May 25, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know it's easy, when one hates another,
I've often been accused of hating George Bush, or been accused of having "Bush Derangement Syndrome."
But I don't hate George Bush. I just think he's a really, really, really bad President, and I think he's done a lot of damage to the country. That's no reason to hate him, though. It's just a reason for wanting him to go off into his lucrative retirement ASAP.
More recently I've been accused of hating Hillary Clinton.
But I don't hate Hillary. I just think she'd be a bad President. And I think she's done a lot of damage to the party, and has hurt Obama's campaign against Obama with things like her endorsement of McCain (watch for it in a McCain ad coming to a TV near you). That's no reason to hate her, though. It's just a reason to want her to go back to being Senator ASAP.
May 25, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
...has hurt Obama's campaign against Obama...
That's a pretty good description of what's going on here with Obama's supporters conducting the campaign.
May 26, 2008 12:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ziiinnggggg! Tyyyyypppppoooooo! You got me there and completely nullified the point about Hillary endorsing McCain, and all that kind of stuff.
May 26, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do not and have never hated Hillary Clinton.
I remember the Clinton years with some fondness...but also with a great deal of foreboding in the upcoming election.
The name Clinton does indeed galvanize the far right wing. I remember a country when political discourse was considerably less poisonous, less sophomoric, and more geared toward reason. Lest we forget, Timothy McVeigh was roused into his demented act by right wing rabble-rousing against the Clinton Administration. Right wing nuttery was unleashed in Reagan's time by the revocation of the Fairness Doctrine, but came to full fruition during the Clinton Administration.
I believe that Hillary Clinton is a fine and capable Senator...passionately caring about the people of this country and fully qualified to be President of the United States.
I supported Obama early on, but worried about his electability. Any qualms that I may have had about Obama ended with Bill's comments in South Carolina...and Obama's brilliant reply in his victory speech. "When are we gonna' go negative?", was a frequent quote attributed to Bill. When she did go fully negative, it was as if Karl Rove had written the play book. She fully laid out the Republican talking points for the general election. The words, "say anything, do anything to get elected" had true meaning.
Obama ran an efficient, well-managed, strategic, and smart campaign. Clinton's campaign was initially run as a foregone conclusion...going after states instead of delegates. Her speeches and rallies were initially very, very sleepy. She ran out of money after New Hampshire...and her Campaign Manager was either afraid or embarrassed to tell the candidate that they were broke. Bill ran his mouth off in South Carolina, sending Black voters en masse to Obama. When Bill Richardson endorsed Obama, he was called a "Judas"...thus, exposing the vengeful, venal side of the Clinton organization. When the candidate finally woke up and started breathing fire, it was just too late; Obama was too far ahead in delegates and money.
The last half of Sen. Clinton's campaign reinforced for me that I do not want another Clinton in the White House. As capable and caring as I believe she is, I also believe that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be contentious beyond belief. At this very fragile time in the nation's and the world's history, the divisiveness of a Clinton presidency would be ruinous.
May 26, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I definitely don't think she's a monster. I don't even think she's a particularly bad or even evil person. At this point in time, I'm not a big fan of hers because the rules that would apply to most candidates don't apply to her because everyone is immediately accused of being sexist if they're at all critical. And there has been a lot to criticize about the campaign she's run. But Hillary Clinton definitely has qualities that I admire, she's fierce, she's strong, and she's smart as hell and I couldn't do what she does in a million years.
May 26, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
And all Clinton supporters are racists if they are critical or simply not for Obama. Check out all the pro Obama sites. Look at how Hillary supporters are treated. Pretty lame, including this site. I just get bored preaching to the choir so I'd rather see how much more abusive Obama supporters can be.
Clinton had the support of most of us before Obama stepped in. It would have been smart and classy for him (and all the other candidates who eventually dropped out) to have supported her as she supported his run for the Senate. It would have given him more experience to be a great president later on instead of a "Carteresque" president now. It would have kept the party unified, and there wouldn't have even been discussion around losing to McCain, because it would have been a landslide. His lack of insight and caring about the needs and best interest of our party shows his true colors (and no, that's not intended as a racist remark, but the minute I wrote it I could imagine what was coming. No doubt some of you will consider it a Freudian slip).
Obama cares about Obama, and that's it. If Clinton was good enough for him to use to get into the Senate, she must be better than he's making her out to be now.
She's ahead of him in actual votes, so it seems all of your ranting and raving at her supporters is only paying off for her.
May 26, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I do believe he announced he was running for president before she did. So... anyway,are you seriously saying that he shouldn't have run because she was the inevitable nominee? There's democracy for you. You can say that she's ahead of him in the popular vote but let's not kid ourselves. If this race had been about the popular vote, the Obama camp would have focused on running up their numbers in states like Illinois for example. In January and February, this race was all about the delegates. Remember? Terry McAuliffe, Howard Wolfson and even Hillary used to talk about the delegates. Then, the unthinkable took place, a better organized campaign outmaneuvered them and they found themselves behind in the delegate count. So, the race stopped being about delegates and became about the popular vote- it became about recognizing Michigan which didn't even have Obama on the ballot and at the same time and refusing to even count the Uncommitted vote as his, it became about recognizing Florida where he wasn't allowed to get to know the voters and campaign there so Hillary could keep her large margin. You know as well as I do that the popular vote margin would be a lot less in Florida and Michigan if Obama had campaigned there. That's how it has happened in every state, his numbers always improve. The popular vote argument the Hillary campaign is making is totally bogus and most rational people realize that.
May 26, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton had the support of most of us before Obama stepped in. It would have been smart and classy for him (and all the other candidates who eventually dropped out) to have supported her . . . "
Unh...come again?
May 26, 2008 4:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fremont, check out the pro-Clinton sites such as TaylorMarsh.com and see how the Obama backers are disparaged.
I voted for Obama because I think he'll be more "JFKesque" than Carteresque. When Obama so gracelessly chose to run, the delegate count was 0-0. Since then, it's been Hillary's lack of foresight that's cost her the nomination. A few days ago, I saw a video clip of Hillary's interview with George Stephanopolous in the week before the Iowa primary, way back when. She was soft-pedaling her chances in Iowa, but twice she reassured George that she was in it for the long run. And twice she emphatically declared that the race would be over on Super Tuesday, Feb. 5. For Hillary, the long run was six weeks. What happened after Super Tuesday? A more thoroughly prepared, harder working, aggressive Obama team ran off 11 straight primary and caucus wins by margins that built up a delegate lead that has proven to be insurmountable. Hillary still doesn't know what hit her, as evidenced by her statements and actions on campaign trail.
To avoid a Democratic loss in November, Hillary is the one who needs to exhibit some grace. When she finally pulls out, she must move to support Obama. Her continued standing and legacy in the Dem Party is on the line. I hope she has the foresight to recognize that.
May 26, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fremont,
If Hillary actually had the support of most of us before Obama stepped in, then it wouldn't have made any difference that Obama stepped in. Shouldn't that be self-evident?
Its interesting how all of your supposed criticism of Obama actually best describe Hillary. Mere coincidence...?
Meanwhile, back in the real world. This contest is all over but for the shouting.
May 26, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
"His lack of insight and caring about the needs and best interest of our party shows his true colors (and no, that's not intended as a racist remark, but the minute I wrote it I could imagine what was coming. No doubt some of you will consider it a Freudian slip)".
Right.
You do have an edit function. You could have used it instead of explaining your "gaffe" with a more extensive non-apology. It's OUR fault for the way it's interpreted. We get it now.
Sounds familiar.
May 26, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one has an edit function.
It's a two way street. The salt is positively blinding around here.
Don't buy into either sides poor sportsmanship.
May 26, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
All we know is what we see. Until I have the opportunity to sit down with her and see something else, I hate her, again thats based off what I have seen and nothing else!
May 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
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