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A Challenge to Clinton Supporters
In an interview after church services in Bowling Green on Sunday, Clinton for the first time addressed what women have been talking about for months, what she refers to as the "sexist" treatment she has endured at the hands of the pundits, media and others. The lewd T-shirts. The man who shouted "Iron my shirt" at a campaign event. The references to her cleavage and her cackle.
"It's been deeply offensive to millions of women," Clinton said. "I believe this campaign has been a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. But it certainly has been challenging given some of the attitudes in the press, and I regret that, because I think it's been really not worthy of the seriousness of the campaign and the historical nature of the two candidacies we have here."
Later, when asked if she thinks this campaign has been racist, she says she does not. And she circles back to the sexism. "The manifestation of some of the sexism that has gone on in this campaign is somehow more respectable, or at least more accepted, and . . . there should be equal rejection of the sexism and the racism when it raises its ugly head," she said. "It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by the comments by people who are nothing but misogynists."
Reading this, it's hard not to notice the contrast with another WaPo piece from a week ago:
Obama has not spoken much about racism during this campaign. He has sought to emphasize connections among Americans rather than divisions. He shrugged off safety concerns that led to early Secret Service protection and has told black senior citizens who worry that racists will do him harm: Don't fret. Earlier in the campaign, a 68-year-old woman in Carson City, Nev., voiced concern that the country was not ready to elect an African American president.
"Will there be some folks who probably won't vote for me because I am black? Of course," Obama said, "just like there may be somebody who won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman or wouldn't vote for John Edwards because they don't like his accent. But the question is, 'Can we get a majority of the American people to give us a fair hearing?'"
So here's the first part of my challenge to those who believe Sen. Clinton's primary misfortune is due to unfair treatment by the media or the American public: can you find a single instance of Sen. Obama or a legitimate surrogate blaming racism for an electoral defeat or some political failure?
I can't remember any, although I do remember Geraldine Ferraro making the exact opposite case on behalf of the Clinton campaign--which brings us to part two.
After Ferraro, Bob Johnson, Bill Clinton himself (on multiple occasions), the Drudge leak, Andrew Cuomo, and Hillary's own "as far as I know" and Lyndon Johnson moments... can you find any comparable statements, implicit or explicit, from Obama or his surrogates, that bring up Hillary's gender in a similar way?
Maybe I've just got my Obama-blinders on, and there's an incident or two I'm forgetting. But it seems to me that the Clinton camp long ago deliberately injected race into this campaign, while Team Obama has been pretty much spotless with respect to Hillary's gender...and now she blames sexism for her failures, and doesn't think racism has been a factor?








Comments (70)
Recommended. I await a response.
May 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
She says that racism is not a factor while saying that he cannot win white votes. Now that takes some doublethink.
May 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you trying to make Clinton supporters look foolish? That's like shooting fish in a barrel. Very unsportsmanlike.
May 21, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have repeatedly asked for concrete examples of Obama or a surrogate saying that racism was a reason for a defeat or failure, and have never received any responses. I have read one or two articles such as the WaPo piece, but Obama and his campaign have never talked about racism in the same way that Clinton and her people hit people over the head with their sexism charges. I think she defeats her own purpose by doing this. Why not work quietly in the background to combat sexism instead of whining about it publicly? It's so unbecoming.
You'll get some flack for saying Obama has never been sexist, as her supporters read sexism into certain things, such as him saying to her during one debate: "You're likeable enough." Personally, I don't find that sexist at all, he just as well could have said that to a man, and he was kiddingly repsonding to her comment that invited that reply.
This stuff is just out of hand. I'm so tired of it all.
May 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Obama's team used surrogates to blast the Clintons as racist and then denied they ever inserted race into the campaign. Why would they say it led to defeat? It led to victory.
(Oh, except for the Bradley effect in New Hampshire when their poor inevitable Barry didn't get the victory he was owed).
May 22, 2008 6:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't want to act as a surrogate, now would we?
May 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
The "Barry" stuff is childish and beneath you.
May 22, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, yes and no. Childish, certainly, but not beneath Desidero...
May 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. As Obama would say, "Desi's always there, twisting the knife a little bit". But since most people forgot about the Bradley Effect thing, I do get to have my fun, no?
May 22, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you really think Obama knows you exist? That is not only doublespeak that is delusion.
May 22, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
{giggle giggle}
May 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no, no delusion allowed around here.
May 22, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've never heard Obama or his campaign blame race for anything, nor have I ever heard them say anything I'd consider sexist, etc.
That doesn't mean Clinton's concerns about sexism and misogyny are unfounded, just that the garbage isn't coming from her opponent.
I certainly don't think sexism is the only reason, or even the main reason, she's lost this race. I just don't understand how one can look at the venom and vitriol that was directed at her and not see the role gender played in it.
Interesting read if anyone cares: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/02/17/black_man_vs_white_woman/
Again, doesn't explain all of what went on during this campaign, but it does I think shed light on some of the ways race and gender have played out in it.
May 21, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
ARGH!
WENCH HILLARY KNOWS HOW TO PLAY THE SEX CARD!
THAT'S WHY HUBBY WENT TO MONICA!
BUT I STILL WANT HER DRUMSTICK
EVEN THOUGH HE BE A TURKEY.
WENCH HILLARY IS THE FEMALE IDEAL
I DREAM OF HER IN SLEEP
AND IF I GOT TO THE LINCOLN ROOM
INTO HER BED I'D CREEP!
FILL MY TREASURED CHEST!
ACQUIRE! MERGE! MARAUD! DILUTE! DILUTE!
ARGH!
May 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I lamented to a friend today the stark reality of the discourse surrounding the democratic race. I am an Obama supporter and I have to agree with griffin on this.
First off, you won't see Obama disparaging Clinton based on her gender either explicitly or implicitly. I could be wrong but if there is an example, it has either been loosely interpreted and buried deep in some gaggle with reporters. But there is a second fiddle that plays an equally important song... the Media.
It is currently acceptable to make bone-headed statements relating to gender (cackle, nutcracker, b***h, witch, pants suit).
It is currently unacceptable to make bone-headed statements regarding race (or at least, it has to be veiled in an "analysis" of the demographic and the strengths and weaknesses of a candidate).
Clinton has had a tough break in the media. Obama has had a tough break at the polls (WV, KY). I'm sure that many Obama supporters have had their negatives of Clinton heightened by the testosterone dominated media coverage of this campaign.
Clinton, to her credit, has also used gender to her advantage
May 21, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton, to her credit, has also used gender to her advantage
A mediocre politician with a short and thoroughly unimpressive record in the Senate, and pro-war to boot, came within a couple of hairs'breadths of being president?
Gender and her name are her only advantages in this election.
May 22, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I too am an Obama supporter and, I emphasize, not a Clinton hater. I agree she has been the unfortunate recipient of a fair amount of sexism and misogyny from the media. I would add, however, that I believe Obama has been squeaky clean on this issue. I do not believe he has unfairly attacked Clinton because of her sex or implied that a woman cannot win the White House.
As a 51 year old woman, I'm frankly sick and tired of the cry of foul from the Clinton camp. Yes, it exists. No, it doesn't help to point it out and scream foul, as Obama has undoubtedly learned since you don't see him doing that with regard to race.
In addition to being sick and tired of the sexism cry, I am also incensed by Clinton supporters who insinuate that you're somehow disloyal to womanhood if you're not for the woman candidate. I frankly believe that Obama is a better feminist candidate than Clinton, and have always thought so. His stand on the war, his openness, his willingness to engage in diplomacy are all, what I would call, feminist traits that Clinton seems to either lack altogether (vote for the war in '02) or has less of than Obama.
Finally, aside from feminism, the issues of character with respect to Clinton are glaring. This MI and FL argument is maddening. She can argue both points (having the contests matter and not) with equal intensity -- for me a sign that she believes in nothing except her own political gain.
May 22, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What about the Ferraro claim that Obama is "terribly sexist" and one piece of evidence she give to support her claim is his shoulder brush off. Boy is she out of touch or fishing.
May 21, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And then the thing on "black journalists," what was that about?
May 22, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Geraldine Ferraro has a troubled psychology that got in the way of her own political career and made her the bitter never was she is now. Utterly toxic. Someone should get her off the stage.
May 22, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, part of the reason for the disparity is that Obama is winning. He's got more to lose than to gain at this point by complaining.
Hillary no longer expects to win, so she's making a point.
Let's not over-interpret it.
May 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree on the over-interpretation. It seems unwise, however, to simply ignore it while she coasts to defeat gracefully.
(Aside: how fucking condescending could it be considered to "let her exit at her own pace and with dignity" or whatever the line is the media is currently using? Straight from a paperback self-help psychology book on dealing with troublesome three-year-olds. Whether it is an accurate description is another matter, of course.)
Anyway--the thing is that if we take the fairly reasonable view that she and her team know it is over and they are just putting on a show to go out with grace and maybe get some donations to pay off those bills and all the insiders and the media are sort of going by a wink-wink nod-nod basis, using little code language, very specific loophole words etc., there is one very important aspect that is being forgotten.
Some people think it is for real.
They are giving their money because they think she really does have a chance. They are reinforcing their negative perceptions of the opponent, consuming their and everyone else's time rehashing something all the insiders know is never going to happen etc.
Does Clinton have the right to deceive her supporters like that?
May 21, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
20% of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html
That doesn't mean we have to oblige them their fantasy.
At this point, the people who are giving money to Hillary represent the most extreme supporter -- it's possible (probable?) that nothing will sway them... they may decide to write-in Hillary's name on the ballot!
And that is their right.
However, there is no need to indulge them. If they don't like that the train is leaving the station, they can get on it. But we don't have to stop the train for them.
May 21, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
That helps to understand the 30% approval ratings for W.
But what's up with the other 10% of his supporters? Come on people, if you know the earth revolves around the sun then certainly you can see what a horrible President we have in W.
May 22, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
So where's the other 10% coming from?
May 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is time that we all faced the fact that a Black Man in America does not get this far, and get this many white votes by complaining.
May 22, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only time I saw Obama act a bit sexist was early on, when he shared the stage with Edwards and Clinton, and he looked over at her looking down his nose (as he frequently does) and said "She's Likeable Enough." It was raw arrogance and turned me off to him when before I'd been a supporter.
But since that time, he's been pretty respectful of women and hasn't crossed that line -- the "sweetie" thing wasn't necessarily a big sexist deal, more of a colloqualism, or perhaps a bit of condescension. I suspect there's an arrogant side to him.
But it never seems to get the better of him, at least.
Unlike Bush.
May 21, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is not sexist. It was or at the very least came across just plain old assholish.
May 21, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't agree with you more. It's funny to me how we want people to draw a universal line for their own conduct (based upon how we will perceive it) between being "confident" and being "arrogant" or between being "assertive" and being "aggressive". That whole "she's likable enough" comment has been blown so thoroughly out of proportion as to be unrecognizable. It was a quip. It wasn't scripted ("change you can Xerox"?) and it wasn't a gaffe ("They cancelled the welcome ceremony and we had to run across the tarmac to our waiting vehicle with our heads down"?). It was an off-hand remark. Was it dismissive? Not particularly. Was it a moment of huge, revelatory substance? Not really.
The same is true of the "dirt off the shoulder" thing. First and foremost, Ferraro's reaction to it just seems to indicate how completely out of touch she is with contemporary pop culture. Second, it completely distorts the remark he was making and who it was being directed at. Simply put, her bringing it up as an example of some sort of misogyny on the part of Senator Obama obscures the fact that he was talking about the debates and how journalsts love to play "gotcha" games and "guilt by association" when there are more substantive issues to discuss. The fact that Russert had tried it in an earlier debate (with a tenuous, six degrees of separation link to Louis Farrakhan) and Gibson and Stephanopolous had recently tried it, at Team Hillary's prodding, I might add (with Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers) is directly relevant. It was his frame of reference. It had nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with a candidate's right to say "I'm not going to get caught up in nonsense when there are important issues to address". It is simply Ferraro trying to turn a positive on Barack's part into a negative. It is frankly sad and pathetic. If she had any dignity left, I can't imagine how she might look back on her conduct during this election and how it has tarnished her legacy and her association with Senator Clinton.
May 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I saw the "you're likable enough comment" I interpreted it exactly the opposite way. I take him at his word that he meant it as "you are plenty likable", and not "you aren't too likable, just barely likable really." Nothing else I've seen about him suggests otherwise.
But that why they have horse races.
May 22, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that he meant it that way, but that's not exactly how it came out.
May 22, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
He got called on the carpet by everyone he knows for that little tid-bit. He even apologized for the less than positive way in which he responded. But we of all people should understand the essense of that little comment. It is called SNARK. He had a moment in which he was snarky. I think he had put up with enough crap that he couldn't really respond to, that his frustration got the better of him. But, if you look at it as a percentage of behavior, it is very small. It certainly is a smaller percentage of snark than the vast majority of people blogging - for either side.
May 22, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton never claimed that sexism is the cause of her failures. Indeed, Hillary doesn't believe that she's failed yet, and if she does she's not admitting it. She did recently respond to questions about sexism in the campaign, and I take it you think it was somehow inappropriate for her to express herself in response. Is that the point that you're trying to make here?
May 21, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Geez, let me guess. What was that speech in Philly all about if it were not bringing race front and center to this campaign. And, Axelrove's complaints and parsing of Bill Clintons statements in South Carolina?
May 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talking about race isn't the point. Obama never used it as a crutch or complained once in his Philly speech that he was getting a raw deal from anyone.
May 21, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't need Axelrod to parse Bill Clinton's comments. They were pretty self-explanatory.
May 22, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
If so, why did they have to be rephrased so much?
May 22, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were a woman of any color, I would not be in this position!
Leading the non-woman vote!
Leading the colorless woman vote!
Leading you all!
Much Love,
Hillary.
May 21, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
How would women react if Obama hints repeatedly that Hillary is not as electable as he is because she is unable to win over a large percentage of the sexists' votes?????!!!!!
Sick of Hillary and her double-dealing!!!!
May 22, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The truth about sexism is that it exists - I've personally experienced it BUT the majority of the people I've dealt with aren't sexist. The same may be true about racism.
It's time to put this shameless spin and the leverage of unsavory bigotry to score politicxal points to rest.
May 22, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sending his surrogate, JJ Jr, out to note that he never saw any tears over the black children victims of Katrina from Clinton was the first race card I saw played in the primary. In hardball politics, Clinton should have asked JJ Jr to provide the link to the most recent youtube.com video of him crying when whitey died. And then she should have asked for an additional link for Barry doing same. Anybody here got a link showing Barry crying when whitey died? I'd like to see it. Seriously. Thanks.
May 22, 2008 1:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jesse Jackson Jr. is not an Obama surrogate.
May 22, 2008 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
FWIW, that's just not true. Jesse Jackson, Jr. is, or at least was earlier this year, a national co-chair of the campaign. Here's the youtube link to his statement about Hillary not caring about black folks right after the New Hampshire primary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA
It's an astonishing statement when you consider that Jackson was already injecting such venom into the mix so early in the campaign. I'm not justifying anything Hillary, Bill, or anyone in the campaign may have said, but please be objective and at least admit that this excerpt of Obama National Co-Chair Jesse Jackson, Jr. stunk when it was said in early January, and continues to stink now.
Or don't. As far as this Democrat is concerned, this is all water under the bridge. I'm looking to November. I will pull the lever for Senator Obama without hesitation, but I am not looking to join hands with anyone who perpetuates the notion that Hillary Clinton is a racist, or her loyal supporters are racist, or that it is somehow improper to discuss the role of gender in this campaign. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
May 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, he was indeed a surrogate and it was a stupid thing to say. But as you say, water under the bridge. And honestly, I keep trying to do that, but sometimes it's very difficult to let the Clinton campaign get away with some of the things they're saying about the popular vote, etc. And Ferrarro saying that crap the other day; it's sensless. It would make it soooo much easier for me to let it slide, if a lot of people weren't saying they won't vote for their candidate's opponent in the Fall (it's coming from both sides). To me, it looks like Obama is trying to stop this among his supporters, and to her credit, Clinton has made similar statements, but then she goes out and makes an argument that the nomination is being stolen circa the campaign of 2000. It looks like she's trying placate Obama's supporters and the DNC, while turning around and trying to undermine that very sentiment. Where does it end?
May 22, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Relax. It will end. You know, the Clintons are called a lot of things, but nobody calls them stupid. They're working the refs right now(Rules Committee and superdelegates). That's called politics. If you want to think Obama is different, then so be it. I'm done with that debate, for the moment. :)
May 22, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I don't think Obama is that different in terms of playing politics. But this popular vote gambit doesn't sit right with me. It seems like she's trying to set up a scenario where she can say Obama's nomination is not legitimate based on faulty logic.
Perhaps, you're right, it's just politics and she's just putting her best argument forward. But for that tactic to work and for her to recieve the nomination in this way, the DNC would be shooting itself in the face. It would take a generation to recover. I don't think they'll do that and I'm certian Clinton doesn't think they'll do that, so what does she want? It's very unsettling to me at the moment. How many Clinton supporters are internalizing this as we speak and will never let it go? Maybe not many, maybe a lot! We're all still pissed about 2000, now turn that anger on your own party? That hurts us beyond 2008. Maybe after June 3rd, I'll chuckle about how at this point in the campaign, I was really creeped out, but I can't help but to feel this way right now.
May 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's exactly what she's doing and that's what she has been doing ever since she started talking up the "popular vote" myth. She has been building a case for herself as Al Gore and Obama as George Bush - as herself as the victim of a stolen election.
It is the single lowest damn thing she's done. She's exploiting our fears about what happened in 2000, exactly the way Rove exploited the public's fears after 9-11.
It is despicable.
May 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
We asked for an example, and indiex provides an example. It's the first legitimate one I've seen on here. We can debate exactly to what extent JJJr was talking for Obama, just as we can debate over Ferraro. But it is an instance.
(Clinton seems to have more instances.)
In any event, it's hard to use this to justify many supporter's claims that Obama and his campaign have been unrelentingly sexist.
May 22, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
huh? You get examples but its YOU that doesn't think they are. Whatever...lol. good lord.
May 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
huh? You get examples but its YOU that doesn't think they are. Whatever...lol. good lord.
May 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, indiex's example is the only example I've seen here. And it's a good one, and I said so. Desidero pointed to amorphous "statements" by Obama "surrogates", but he has no specifics. You point to the "Philly speech" but don't say what about the speech was supposed to qualify as being either sexist to Hillary or an example of Obama blaming racism for his own losses. You also point to Axelrod's comments about Bill Clinton's comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson, but I again fail to see how this counts against Obama, as opposed to against Clinton.
May 22, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? I didn't comment on the post at all. I'm just here robbing cradles to feed my chimps back home.
May 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it's not just because he's winning. Neither Obama nor his surrogates blamed racism back when they were losing, either. And Clinton called sexism even when she was winning... long ago.
To me, the huge difference between the two examples originally provided is that Clinton is focusing on and thus feeding the charges of sexism, while Obama is basically dismissing racism by saying, "hey, stuff happens, move on." I'd rather have the latter in a leader than the former. To me, it's far more healthy for the country to dismiss those negatives that can't really be changed as minor, and focus on what we CAN do.
May 22, 2008 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
They blamed it on the Bradley effect in New Hampshire, and were ready to do that in Nevada when they realized they could pull out an extra delegate despite losing the popular vote, so they focused on the "it's all about delegates" spin there instead.
Where else would have blamed racism on losing? States where he won?
May 22, 2008 6:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
You've said this multiple times. I figured you've seen it somewhere. However, I don't remember ever seeing this argument. Where did they say it was the Bradley Effect?
May 22, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
In Desidero's deluded dreams. He is fond of making false assertion like this one and that no one has ever suggested that a man stayed in a nominating contest longer than he should have.
May 22, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go take a look at David Kuo, also flacked by Andrew Sullivan and others.
Kohout in the NY Times, The Nation, etc.
Larry, I love it when you contradict me - you always end up making me look smarter than I am. I don't know why you do it, but thanks from the heart.
May 22, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You continue to point to pundits associated with no campaign as if they were Obama surrogates. His campaign did not make these claims. He refuted them. He said that if he lost it would not be because of his race. He and his campaign have seperated themselves from this divisive crap from the get go. Hillary on the otherhand pushes the victim of sexism crap as a part of her stump speach. You fail once again to seperate the statements of a candidate and a campaign from those of people who are not associated with them. David Kuo was even a member of the Bush administration. I supose we should credit Hillary with Cheney's statements.
May 22, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
They didn't. Don't expect facts or truth from that poster though. There were a few newspaper reports and I certainly remember the coverage on MSNBC and CNN that night mentioning the Bradley effect, but IIRC Sen. McCaskill was on TV that night poo-pooing the Bradley Effect and black blogs across the country were denying that it had anything to do with Obama losing NH.
Anyone who says it was is an idiot.
Anyone who says that the Obama campaign said it was is a fucking liar.
May 22, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That evening, the Democratic campaign became truly tangled up in racial politics--directly and forcefully introduced by the pro-Obama forces. In order to explain away the shocking loss, Obama backers vigorously spread the claim that the so-called Bradley Effect had kicked in. First used to account for the surprising defeat of Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley in the California gubernatorial race in 1982, the Bradley Effect supposedly takes hold when white voters tell opinion pollsters that they plan to vote for a black candidate but instead, driven by racial fears, pull the lever for a white candidate. Senior Clinton campaign officials later told me that reporters contacted them saying that the Obama camp was pushing them very hard to spin Clinton's victory as the latest Bradley Effect result. Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, a cheerleading advocate for Obama, went on television to suggest the Bradley Effect explained the New Hampshire outcome, then backed off--only then to write a column, "Echoes of Tom Bradley," in which he claimed he could not be sure but that, nevertheless, "embarrassed pollsters and pundits had better be vigilant for signs that the Bradley effect, unseen in recent years, has crept back."
In fact, the Bradley Effect claims were utterly bogus, as anyone with an elementary command of voting results could tell. If the "effect" has actually occurred, Obama's final voting figures would have been substantially lower than his figures in the pre-election polls, as racially motivated voters turned away. Later, Bill Schneider, the respected analyst on CNN, several times went through the data on air to demonstrate conclusively that there was no such Bradley Effect in New Hampshire. But even on primary night, it was clear that Obama's total--36.4%--was virtually identical to what the polls over the previous three weeks had predicted he would receive. Clinton won because late-deciding voters--and especially college-educated women in their twenties--broke for her by a huge majority. Yet the echoes of charges about the Bradley Effect--which blamed Obama's loss on white racism and mendacity--lingered among Obama's supporters.
The very next morning, Obama's national co-chair, Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr., a congressional supporter from Chicago, played the race card more directly by appearing on MSNBC to claim in a well-prepared statement that Clinton's emotional moment on the campaign trail was actually a measure of her deeply ingrained racism and callousness about the suffering poor. "But those tears also have to be analyzed," Jackson said, "they have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45 percent of African-Americans will participate in the Democratic contest ... we saw tears in response to her appearance, so that her appearance brought her to tears, but not Hurricane Katrina, not other issues." And so the Obama campaign headed south with race and racism very much on its mind--and on its lips."
tnr.com
May 22, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't expect a retraction from fabooj - he/she's its own echo chamber. Wears sunglasses to bed to make sure no light can penetrate at all. Kind of sad in a way - the doctor diagnosed her/him/it with sub-Tourette's - "doo-doo, pee-pee, ka-ka, owie". But combined with the name of candidates, it's become convinced this is what's called "political dialogue" - big words for a 7-year-old.
May 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm...had never heard of that stuff. Not good mojo.
May 22, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's what I think:
1. Race has been an issue in this campaign.
2. Gender has been an issue in this campaign.
3. Both candidates have experienced good and bad on account of their race and/or gender.
4. Race and gender issues are inextricably intertwined on so many levels but it doesn't make you a ninny brain or worse if your particular focus happens to be on race or gender, or both. The key is to try to be sensitive to where other folks with all different types of life experiences are coming from.
5. There's a lot of weird stuff going around these days. But at this moment in history each of us can choose to exploit our opportunities to influence others in many different ways. That is the challenge.
May 22, 2008 8:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama or Clinton? Personal outrage and hurt feelings aside, we need a democrat elected President. Our country is on the brink: Human rights/privacy abuses, election fraud, political corruption,debt,corporate welfare queens/kings... ENOUGH!
We, as proggressive mindeded folks, have a job to do. We have 2 candidates with differing personal attributes but similar stances on policy issues. I will vote for the democratic nominee for president. Period.
If more motivation is needed, there could be 4 potential openings on the SUPREME COURT. DO we want another Alito, Thomas, Roberts, or Scalia seated?
Our decisions are important. To throw this election away because of personal pique or even vein pounding outrage may seem irresistable, but to my mind doing so is a self indulgent folly.
May 22, 2008 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gender, race, and other prejudices have worked for and against both Obama and Clinton. In the end, it's a wash. The people who tip the balance are the ones judging the candidates as potential presidents.
Hillary got low scores for her pro-war vote and for co-sponsoring anti-flag-burning legislation, among other missteps, and high scores for name recognition, nostalgia for the Clinton years, and the press's initial "inevitability" reports. She failed only because there was a better choice, a candidate who brought refreshing change to the political stage, who didn't sound like or pander like everyone else.
It's going to take enormous effort, enormous sacrifice, and enormous luck to turn around this country's fortunes after 8 years of Bush/Cheney. What I see in Hillary Clinton's latest gambits are attempts to undermine Obama's candidacy so that her supporters refuse to back the Democratic candidate and McCain wins. She's using her last few weeks in the spotlight to utterly undermine Obama.
If she succeeds, it's 4 more years of Bush/Cheney economic and foreign policy doom.
Canada, anyone? I hear Costa Rica is a pretty nice spot for American ex-pats, too.
May 22, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first injection of race into the campaign came when Hillary said that it took LBJ to push through the civil rights legislation of the 1960's. That just happens to be factual. A number of black leaders jumped on it, claiming falsely that Hillary had belittled MLK. Quickly Obama surrogates joined in. Then Obama himself joined in. The effect was that masses of black voters found an easy excuse to abandon the Clintons. Many still cite the LBJ comment as the moment that left Hillary. Some even refer to it as "her MLK comment", though it wasn't. Racism has been a factor in this campaign. Just not the way you think.
May 22, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That evening, the Democratic campaign became truly tangled up in racial politics--directly and forcefully introduced by the pro-Obama forces. In order to explain away the shocking loss, Obama backers vigorously spread the claim that the so-called Bradley Effect had kicked in. First used to account for the surprising defeat of Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley in the California gubernatorial race in 1982, the Bradley Effect supposedly takes hold when white voters tell opinion pollsters that they plan to vote for a black candidate but instead, driven by racial fears, pull the lever for a white candidate. Senior Clinton campaign officials later told me that reporters contacted them saying that the Obama camp was pushing them very hard to spin Clinton's victory as the latest Bradley Effect result. Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, a cheerleading advocate for Obama, went on television to suggest the Bradley Effect explained the New Hampshire outcome, then backed off--only then to write a column, "Echoes of Tom Bradley," in which he claimed he could not be sure but that, nevertheless, "embarrassed pollsters and pundits had better be vigilant for signs that the Bradley effect, unseen in recent years, has crept back."
In fact, the Bradley Effect claims were utterly bogus, as anyone with an elementary command of voting results could tell. If the "effect" has actually occurred, Obama's final voting figures would have been substantially lower than his figures in the pre-election polls, as racially motivated voters turned away. Later, Bill Schneider, the respected analyst on CNN, several times went through the data on air to demonstrate conclusively that there was no such Bradley Effect in New Hampshire. But even on primary night, it was clear that Obama's total--36.4%--was virtually identical to what the polls over the previous three weeks had predicted he would receive. Clinton won because late-deciding voters--and especially college-educated women in their twenties--broke for her by a huge majority. Yet the echoes of charges about the Bradley Effect--which blamed Obama's loss on white racism and mendacity--lingered among Obama's supporters.
The very next morning, Obama's national co-chair, Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr., a congressional supporter from Chicago, played the race card more directly by appearing on MSNBC to claim in a well-prepared statement that Clinton's emotional moment on the campaign trail was actually a measure of her deeply ingrained racism and callousness about the suffering poor. "But those tears also have to be analyzed," Jackson said, "they have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45 percent of African-Americans will participate in the Democratic contest ... we saw tears in response to her appearance, so that her appearance brought her to tears, but not Hurricane Katrina, not other issues." And so the Obama campaign headed south with race and racism very much on its mind--and on its lips."
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May 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
This writer is a nutcase. Was he trying to anger Clinton supporters? If he is unable to understand how divisive his article was, who am I to explain it to him. After all, diplomacy isn't something that is needed here. Who needs 75% of the women vote? Who needs the hispanic vote? Who needs those pesky white-working class voters? He got at least half of them, if they weren't anywhere near the southern states. The Jews? We don't need them. White men? Well, they were always going to vote McCain anyway. We have rich people. We have blacks. We have college students! Students are so reliable between keg parties, really, don't listen to all those statistics that say they don't show up in November. Have "hope" that that will "change." And if they fail us, well, we still have rich people and blacks. Well, 90% of blacks, and 55% of rich people. And rich people are maybe 5% of theh population? Yes? And black people, who knows. Let's say 30%. So Obama can win with 35% of the population. Right? Let's HOPE.
You're a nutcase.
May 22, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
"So here's the first part of my challenge to those who believe Sen. Clinton's primary misfortune is due to unfair treatment by the media or the American public: can you find a single instance of Sen. Obama or a legitimate surrogate blaming racism for an electoral defeat or some political failure?"
Fair question, and here's your answer...
"Obama Warns SC Voters of 'Hoodwinking'
January 23, 2008 8:06 PM
ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., warned a Sumter, South Carolina crowd against the "hoodwinking," "bamboozling" and "okey doke" by people in other campaigns.
"Don't be confused when you start hearing a whole bunch of this negative stuff. Those are the same old tricks. They're trying to bamboozle you. It's the same old okey doke……Don't let people turn you around because they're just making stuff up! That's what they do. They try to bamboozle you…. to hoodwink you!""
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/obama-warns-sc.html
May 22, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama was a real truth teller, he would have said: "She's an unpleasant person," not "likable enough."
Not "she's an unpleasant woman", but "she's an unpleasant person."
As a former supporter and donor, I do not find her likable enough anymore.
Meanwhile,she and her minions slime Obama every chance they get. I find her complaints self-serving, vicious, and empty of any legitimacy.
May 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
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