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Why Obama will refuse a no-moderator debate offer?

What do you think will be the official reason he'll decline?







- scheduling conflicts
- busy talking to voters
- (voters) tired of debates
- ?


Can't think of anything else reasonable he could say, unless of course he comes up with something funny like "preventing further divisions in the party" or would rather play hoops or practice bowling.


Comments (71)

Or he could accept.

i can think of only 2 moderators that could get me to watch another debate:
steve colbert, jon stewart.

And they would do a far better job than any of the previous moderators.

She's challenging him to a Lincoln/Douglas one on one with no moderator. Just the 2 of them on stage, following rules they worked out. Questions back and forth. Historic. How can he duck it?

Why would he waste his energy on a person who is his opponent in name only? In campaign terms that is unnecessary. He's saving his energy for debating McCain.

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By accepting, Obama would be offering an illegal campaign contribution to Hillary. It's the only way she'll be able to afford that much time on TV.

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Simple. He's already participated in 21 of them with her. Isn't that enough?

And I'm still trying to figure out why Hillary declined the first North Carolina debate.

I think it was either scheduling conflicts or she was tired of voters. Either that, or she thought there'd already been enough debates.

Didn't want to insult her Jewish voters as April 19th was the start of Passover.

The front runner gets to pick and choose thats how every competition works. In track, the fastest person in qualifying gets to have the lane of choice.

Obama is the front runner he gets to decide if to debate or not to debate. Its the person running second who has to scramble around looking for every loop hole through which to gain that front runner position. Hillary is in this position and hence she has to keep calling for this and that. She has to swap around and reposition the rules and every other thing. Obama does not need to give heed to any of her requests.. not a single one of them.

All Obama Is required to and MUST do is stay ahead and determine what means or methods he should deploy to stay ahead. If that means no more debates... being the front runner he has the right to decline.

I am sure you agree with me.

Cheers

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I don't know if he will refuse the debate invitation. There won't be any corporate moderators to screw anything up, and that was the main criticism of the ABC debate, too many idiotic questions. Hillary's challenge is also a chance to replace the debate that NC turned down.

lizp,

There was a date for the NC debate. After agreeing to it, Hillary changed her mind and wanted to debate at a different date.

It wasn't possible to agree to a second date that would work well for all involved. That is when the NC debate was "turned down."

From Wikipedia:

"Each debate had this format: one candidate spoke for an hour, then the other candidate spoke for an hour and a half, and then the first candidate was allowed a half hour "rejoinder." The candidates alternated speaking first. As the incumbent, Douglas spoke first in four of the debates."

Would Barack speak first, since Hillary whines about always getting the first question? Can the American public stand to hear Hillary talk for 90 minutes straight?

Wow, thanks for posting that Opus. I didn't realize that was the format. I've heard people on TPM talk about following the Lincoln/Douglas format, but I suspect they don't mean that literally.

I, for one, would think that format would be great, as it would largely prevent the kind of "sniper fire" that some fear would be unleashed on Obama. I suspect that you're right that our national 30-second attention span wouldn't tolerate it.

I would prefer the orginal format, as mentioned above, although high school and college students do it a bit differently today. The contempoary format of an "LD" deabate follows this format (again from Wikipedia):

LD debate follows the basic time schedule 6-3-7-3-4-6-3, commonly remembered as a jingle or phone number. Each debater gets 13 minutes of speaking time, and rounds take approximately 45 minutes, when all is said and done. Each debater receives 3-5 minutes of preparation time (prep time) to use between speeches however they like. 3 minutes was the NFL rule until mid-way through the 2006-2007 season, when 4 minutes became official and was adopted by most but not all local tournaments. Some very large and prominent tournaments choose to give debaters 5 minutes.

Time (minutes) Abbreviation Speech Description
6 AC Affirmative Constructive The Affirmative reads a pre-written case
3 CX Cross Examination The Negative asks the Affirmative questions
7 NC (1NR) Negative Constructive (and first negative Rebuttal) The Negative (almost always) reads a pre-written case and (almost always) moves on to address the Affirmative's case.
3 CX Cross Examination The Affirmative asks the Negative questions
4 1AR First Affirmative Rebuttal The Affirmative addresses both their opponent's arguments and their own
6 NR (2NR) The Negative Rebuttal The Negative covers everything said in the round and gives the judge reasons to vote for them
3 2AR The Second Affirmative Rebuttal The Affirmative may either summarize the round or cover everything, but they always give reasons to vote for them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Douglas_Debate

Exquisite. Except who's going to cut Hillary off?

Personally, I would rather them question each other about policies because I wouldn't remember what the strengths and weaknesses of one's energy plan after having to listen to their enerygy plan as well as a bunch of others. I would rather one subject first, then another, and then another.

There is no reason for another debate. This race is over. We are only playing this out because Hillary will not accept reality and cries victim whenever anyone asks her to. But there is no way the pledged delegate count is going to be anything but in Obama's favor, nothing is going to change, we're going to keep playing this out until June, damn the consequences in November.

Obama is going to be the nominee. There's no point in accepting a debate from a challenger. To do so implies there's still a contest here, and while this charade is going to go on, Obama doesn't need to reinforce it.

Agreed.

"Lincoln-Douglas debate, known by some previous debaters as value debate because it is about morals, human rights, and philosophy."

Morals, human rights and philosophy? Good luck with that, Hills.

Obama should just ignore her on this one. He only has to do so for a few more days before the question is moot. Address the economy, jobs, and health care while she's prattling on about debates and she where that gets her.

I also don't think anybody but Hillary supporters actually want a debate.

All that being said, I don't think a controlled debate would be likely to hurt Obama at all at this point. He's coming off what has been decided to be a very poor debate performance in Philly. He'd been performing increasingly well in debates up until then. It could rehabilitate the perception of him as a debater.

But why take a chance. The contests come pretty fast and furious at this point. And there will be plenty opportunity to win debates against John McCain.

I'm not all that anxious for another debate but maybe he should agree to one last debate and the format should be similar to the real Lincoln-Douglas debates. And she does realize that she has more in common with Douglas than Lincoln right?



CNN is reporting that:

"Sen. Barack Obama flat out denied any possibility that he would accept a debate with rival Sen. Hillary Clinton prior to the next big round of primaries."

As justification for his denial, Obama tells CNN:

"I'm not ducking one. We've had 21, we want to make sure we're talking to as many folks possible on the ground taking questions from voters."


In other words, Obama is essentially saying, "I look forward to debating my opponent John McCain later this summer."

You beat me to it!


why should the nominee debate She Who Will Not Go Away?


His opponent is McCain.

Clinton is a waste of time.

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declaring clinton a waste of obamas time as a reason to avoid being spanked in yet another debate.

yep, he has had enough, he is uncomfortable & it shows.

obama is playing not to lose, a prevent defense if you will in football terms, and he is not doing it particularly well.

you folks go on striving to display total confidence and haughtiness but the pressure is a bit of a problem for you, isnt it?

Obama's already won it, beyotch!

I know your candidate desperately wants to remain relevant. Fact is she's not. Why pretend? Its kinder this way.

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Simple: "I don't want to."

Or really... "I don't need to"

I don't think anybody commented on the obvious (or perhaps no one, therefore, felt it was necessary), that HRC knows Obama wouldn't accept her debate challenge and that she can (and is) use it out on the stump to give the impression that he's wimping out, too afraid of her (who isn't?) It's a playground bully technique -- "here, knock this off my shoulder, I dare ya! Yeah, I knew you were too much of a sissy ro do it!" BTW, does this woman own ANY dresses?

Why should Obama do Clinton any favors at this point?

That's true. He totally sucks at debates, he should give her any reason to kick his ass on national TV

Actually, what he's bad at is debates where he's trying hard not to say anything to alienate Clinton's supporters since he knows he's going to be the Democratic nominee.

That said, I still think he should do it, because she'll be out of her element—personal attacks won't work so well in a Lincoln/Douglas style debate, IMO.

All the more reason for him to accept, in that case, and not to look like he's scared

Interesting new avatar, Lalo. I've always found it interesting how some people have such a dislike for someone that is so intense, that they then embrace imagery of what they detest and cover their world with it.

I guess it's a personality difference. Some people identify with the postive that they want to promote, other people can only identify their own personal negatives, so they embrace and project that.

It's like the GOPers that put all kinds of hate statements on their cars. I just can't see putting an "anti-" anything on my stuff, when there's room for postive projection of one's personality or interests.

I mostly agree with you, but I do kinda like the 1.20.09 bumper stickers. :)

I am very surprised to learn that you identify with the positive. Your comments everywhere would have totally fooled me.

I'm talking about avatars and stickers and such, not about debating issues. But you knew that already. I see that Joker-Obama didn't last long, and now we've moved on to Obama-Lincoln. Cool photo.

I strongly approve of the Lincoln-Obama avatar, and it's also topical!

I'm trying out all kinds of things, until I find something I like. Something positive, etc.

Honest A-Bama

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If there's reason to have a debate after May 6, Obama should agree to one.

Take a memo!

If Hillary Clinton wants two hours of free air time she can pay for it herself!

Reagan smash!

Well, then, it wouldn't be exactly free then, would it? ;)

Hey, stop picking on the old alzheimers guy!

Maybe the Giants and Patriots should play a 5th quarter. That would make about as much sense.

Obama's the frontrunner with the goalpost in sight. Not debating is smart politics for any frontrunner close to sewing up the deal.

They would make history. Hard to see how he is going to get away with ducking it. He is going to have to get up there like a man and take her on.

How could anyone not want to see the first unmoderated debate between major candidates in our lifetimes? I know the obamanauts are afraid for him, but how can you stand to miss it?

I wonder if Clinton got wind of his love-fest with Fox today, and then timed her debate challenge. His interview will air tomorrow and will make him look like even more of a wimp.

I think he will avoid it, but I agree with you completely that it would be most excellent. Also, I'm not in the least afraid for him, but I'll agree that there are quite a few here who seem to think that Hillary is so evil that she'll risk ruining her own reputation just to take him down as far as she can.

She's so evil she would do anything to win. Like debate on issues, not personal attacks, for example. But I'm sure he has enough money to buy all available air time between now and November, he doesn't need to debate.

Just curious, Lalo, what do you think of the Hispanics and Latins that have been jumping Hillary's ship and switching over to Obama?

"Latinos"

i don't think any differently about them then I think about white blue collar men who've been jumping Obama's ship in PA.

You can't say he's losing what he never had. Rural Pennsylvania always votes Republican anyway. The only counties that Dems carry in a general are around Philly and Pittsburgh.

Besides, Obama hasn't lost any of his major fundraisers, unlike the 70 or so Hills lost recently, including Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon yesterday, the former ambassador to Chile, who had previously raised some $500,000 for her. He and Richardson make for some pretty high-profile defections. There is no equivalent for Obama at this point.

Hillary was kind to offer the idea - and given its importance 'historically' as you say, I think Obama should keep it under consideration against McCain. Why waste an historic prospect on a faux-opponent?

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Its pretty clear that there have been more then enough debates. The Obama supporters have been telling us this for the last few debates. I remember all the posts telling us that there were 18 debates, no one wants any more. Now there have been 21 and its the same convincing argument, no one wants any more. The evidence is clear. Nobody wants these debates. Just take a look at the number of viewers.

California 4.9 million

Texas 7.6 million

Ohio 7.8 million

PA 10.7 million

You can see how the American public watched each debate in greater and greater numbers to express their desire that there be no more debates. Not only that, the public's desire for an end to the debates was sustained throughout the whole 90 minutes of the debate. Even against American Idol 96% of the viewers decided to stick with the debate to make it clear to the networks that they didn't want the debate to occur.

"The first hour of Wednesday's debate ranked first in its time period among Total Viewers, Adults 18-49 and Adults 25-54. Up against Fox's "American Idol" and an original episode of CBS' "Criminal Minds" at 9 p.m., the debate retained 96% of it Total Viewing audience, retained 100% of its Adults 25-54 audience, and grew 4% among Adults 18-49 from the first hour to the second hour."

Given this trend it appears that if there is another debate even more people will tune in and watch the whole debate to show the networks that the American people don't want debates. Enough already. No one wants debates.

The viewship would go up even more if they were put in a cage with clubs and knives, but the viewership totals wouldn't have any more meaning.

I agree with you Hussein. They can debate strictly on issues and without moderators, but it would be totally worthless, because we don't care about positions. We've been advocating personal attacks and negative campaigning all along, right?

I would love to see Hillary and Obama have a one-on-one debate with no moderator. I think they would both be forced to put on their best game. It seems a waste of time for Obama at this point, but I'm sure Hillary would love a little more free airtime. If they did do it, and stuck to issues, I think Obama would bury her, he is the better speaker, and has better ideas.

I don't think it's a waste of time at all. There's so much time between now and November, either of them should use all they can get to define themselves better. Plus, given the recent gaffes, the Clinton-Barack debate would beat every rating

How would a 22nd debate be of any benefit to Obama?

Perhaps explain to the nation that we're not bitter?

That's not a very good reason.

If it can sink a Democrat in November, it's good enough

The person who is doing the best job to sink a Democrat in November is Hilary Clinton.

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I'm sure you're right. Its a bad sign for America when more people watch a debate than American Idol. Enough already. Let's get back to our regularly scheduled programming.

He will refuse it because Hillary Clinton does not have the authority to enter into a debate agreement on behalf of Obama's opponent, John McCain.

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Don't worry. Bill will say something stupid and distract the media from this issue. It will be May 6th by the time Bill extracts his foot from his mouth and the issues will be moot.

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By the way Lalo. Great Avatar!

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