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What The Hell Is James Carville Up To Now?

Well, it turns out he's raising money to defeat Republican Senators and give our candidate a filibuster-proof majority in the U.S. Senate. 

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No matter who gets the Democratic nomination, they are going to need a majority in the Senate that can shut down Republican filibusters when they take office.

The Republicans have 23 seats up for grabs, including Coleman, Collins, McConnell and Sununu.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is trying to raise $2.54 million by April 30.

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Comments (113)

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Carville is a Judas. He is married to A High Level Right Wing Republican operative.

Judas Carville is sleeping with the enemy.

Do not give that Judas a dime.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is trying to raise $2.54 million by April 30.

That's Chuck Schumer's thing isn't it? The one where he's lining up a bunch of republicrats to get in the senate and lining up against people he doesn't like.

Fuck him. He's a scumbag. What good is a majority made up of Lieberman dems like Schumer????????????

Donate to this bullshit?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/chuck-schumer-is-playing_b_97029.html

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Act Blue - Blue Majority: The online clearing house for Democratic action.

A central donation site sponsored by Daily Kos and others...progressives, liberal and moderates that all what change fro the usual Washington, D.C. bu$hification(s).


http://actblue.com/


http://actblue.com/page/bluemajority

I agree. ActBlue is well done. Plus, it's kind of nice to get thank you notes from a guy like Andrew Rice in OK who's trying to put that ludicrous boob James Inhofe out to pasture.

http://www.actblue.com/page/supportandrew

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Don't forget that Carville is married to one of the worst GOP hacks there is except for Karl Rove.

I will not donate to anything with the mention of James Carville in it, nor should any progressive Democrat.

To donate in response to this sidewinder's pleas is to validate him.

Its time to pitch the dead weight, do it all the way, so that we can move this country out of this cess pool that hacks like Carville helped us get in.

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I'm recommending this blog, not because I agree with it, but because I hope people will educate themselves about James Carville and his wife.
Oh, and Carville is the asshat who called NM Gov Bill Richardson a "judas".

Mary Joe Matalin (born August 19, 1953) is an American political strategist and consultant. She is known for her work with the Republican Party. She was an assistant to President George W. Bush and counselor to Vice President Dick Cheney until 2003. In April 2004, she published the book Letters to My Daughters. In March 2005, Matalin was chosen to run a new conservative publishing imprint at Simon & Schuster. She is married to Democratic political consultant James Carville.

Her first campaign was Illinois Lieutenant Governor Dave O'Neal's bid for the U.S. Senate in 1980, a race O'Neal lost to Alan Dixon. After O'Neal's loss, Matalin began her career with the Republican National Committee, where she would remain for nearly two decades as a key Republican strategist. Leaving briefly to attend Hofstra University School of Law, Matalin dropped out after just one year, and in 1984 returned to the RNC. She rose quickly, as an aide to Rich Bond and Chief of Staff to RNC co-Chairperson Betty Heitman in 1985. A year later Matalin gained national notoriety when she joined the George H. W. Bush for President Campaign, working as both Deputy Political Director and Midwest Regional Political Director in the primaries. After the election, Matalin was appointed Chief of Staff to then RNC Chairman Lee Atwater. In that capacity, she would in effect run the RNC for nearly a year, as Atwater -- his health declining due to an inoperable brain tumor -- spent 170 days in the hospital between his diagnosis in early March 1990 and eventual death on March 29, 1991[1]

Matalin was a host of CNN's Crossfire political debate show, and in 1993, she co-hosted Equal Time, which aired on the CNBC business television channel. Matalin was also the host of her own talk radio show in the 1990s, "The Mary Matalin Show," which was carried on the CBS Radio Network. [1]

Matalin, a colleague of Karl Rove, worked for Vice President Dick Cheney in the White House. She attended meetings of the White House Iraq Group, an internal White House task force convened in August 2002 (seven months before the 2003 Invasion of Iraq). WHIG was charged with the task of convincing the US public of the potential threat of Saddam Hussein's alleged violations of international law in his refusal to cooperate with United Nations weapons inspectors.

Matalin resigned her responsibilities as of December 31, 2002.[2] Although Matalin left the White House more than six months before the leak that triggered the Valerie Plame affair, she is reported to have testified before the grand jury of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald[citation needed]. (Notes and records of WHIG meetings were subpoenaed by Fitzgerald in January 2004.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Matalin

But isn't doing this exactly what we protest when we say that it's absurd for Obama to be attacked for say, Ayers? That you can associate, even be married to someone and not agree with everything they do or say?

Let's see. Ayers' stuff was 40 years ago.

Mary was a player in getting us into this mess called Iraq that is draining our young and our finances.

Who could be married to a monster like that and not agree with her politics?

The differences between them are this: One is a lying scumbag who will do anything for his/her master. The other is a lying scumbag who doesn't mind being married to someone who does all of the above.

They had one thing in common, they were both good in bed. Life in the fast lane.

James Carville is the poster-boy for everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party. The guy is a scumbag racist and his lynchmob- mentality "branding" of Bill Richardson as a traitor will not be forgotten. Where can I donate to send James Carville back to the hole he crawled out of? This guy should have been shown the door a long time ago.

When you find out, let me know. And I'll see if there's a spare Daisy Cutter available for the hole once he's "safely" back in it...

i think its a bit far to call him a racist because i don't like throwing that word around unless there's actual evidence to support it, but i think you're right in that he represents everything thats wrong with the atwater-rove-clinton style of "combat politics".


*shameless plug* i wrote about it here: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/combat-politics-and-hillary-cl.php

Check this out and tell me if you think the term "racist" applies.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/branding-as-punishment-james-c.php

As soon as I can get the PO Box set up, I'll post the address. No small bills, please. Counting ones and fives gives me a headache.

1) I don't care who he's married to. It's none of my business. That said, he's handled himself rather poorly this election cycle, IMO (including the "Judas" statement).

2) He's not in charge of the DSCC. Don't punish the DSCC for Carville's mistakes. This is a worthy cause.

3) Thanks Billy for bringing this up. I'm sorry there's been so much negativity.

Normally, I'd agree. However, in Carville's case, it does matter with whom he's wedded and sleeps.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2006/10/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_k/

These people are loyal only to their own sleazy interests. That's another reason they should be kept the furthest away as possible from the White House.

OK, a reasonable argument. However, I stand by my main point which is that Carville is not in any way in charge of the DSCC.

But Chucky "Mukasey is OK with me" Schumer is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/chuck-schumer-is-playing_b_97029.html

Now that's a good argument. I just hated the initial guilt-by-association argument that it seemed was being tossed out.

That said, from the same article you link, it appears that there's a viable alternative to the DSCC: ActBlue.

So, if you really want to show your outrage with Carville/DSCC, show it by contributing to ActBlue!

ActBlue is a much cleaner way of donating to candidates than the DSCC, at least under Schumer's leadership. It's also a great tool for donation selectivity, because you can target the candidates/races you want to give to, so you don't have to let Schumer decide where your money goes.

I'd like to note, too, that I'm not opposed to the DSCC in principle. I've given to the DNC and DCCC this cycle, so my anti-DSCC stance is very personal right now. Schumer is playing nasty with his DSCC control, from the macro level of controlling pre-primary candidate selection down to the level of what gets put on the website (which races are highlighted, which candidates get linked in their "news" sections, etc.). There is no transparency, and no real communication. He has a right to make an "endorsement," but he won't do that openly. He's just funneling DSCC resources to his chosen candidates without offering much in the way of explanation - and without accepting *anything* in the way of input from anyone but party insiders.

That's just not the kind of party politics I intend to support. I want to be able to pick my own Senatorial candidate, and then have the DSCC support him/her - I don't want the DSCC to decide who they think is "electable" in my state and then run off all the viable contenders because they want their hand-picked candidate to have an easy go. That's how we keep losing in purple and red states. Schumer is the Senior Senator from New York. He is a party leader. But he's not all-knowledgeable about every state in the nation, and he needs to allow for more democratic involvement in the party if he's going to control a major block of party funds.

Until Schumer is replaced, or until he learns to play nice with other Democrats, I will only donate through ActBlue or to individual Senatorial candidates directly. I hope others will do the same.

By all means support real democratic candidates for change - just don't support anything a Schumer touches.


Schumer - A tumor usually grown no the tongue that compels you to lie.

My enemy's husband is my enemy. Carville and all Clinton apostles are fucking scumbags. I wouldn't give them shit.

The Clintons, Pelosis, Reids and Schumers of the Democratic Party need to be put out to pasture. Their time is over. They are as much a part of the problem as neocons.

Surely Pelosi deserves a modest reprieve from that list, no? She actually (finally) showed a little backbone and put up a forceful opposition to retroactive telecome immunity. Not as much as one might like, but more than most of our democratic "leader"ship and on a very important issue at that.

Telecom Immunity has been a clusterfuck. Its worked out well for us lately but early on it didn't look that way and it still isn't over. Her recent CAFTA fraud is just shows how willing she is to lie to her own constituents.

I like Carville.

1) He helped Democrats modernize and hone their campaign tactics.

2) His marriage suggests a man who doesn't measure human beings by their scores on the Progressive Ideology Chart. (I realize that the possibility of other measures may be confusing to some people at this site.)

3) He's funny.

Actually, I like Cruella and her venomous style. It's got this evil chique from which other republican operative-ettes should learn. The Monica Goodling types just are not keeping up with the tradition. I'd quicker bond with the Nixonian, Machiavellian republican dagger twisting diva than the new bible generation basket cases.

James seems to have adopted some of Cruella's venom though none of her style in his spewing at Bill Richardson. I am sure that did not help the Hillary campaign. The sight of his bitter snakehead on the screen coincided with Hillary's decline in the polls. I know, correlation is not causation.

I am not sure that my agreement will offer you much consolation, dear Genghis, but I agree with you. I like Carville and find him thoroughly entertaining, even if I do back a different presidential candidate than he does.

Bless you, Greg, it seems that we both have our noses clasped firmly between Joe Lieberman's butt cheeks. If this does not make sense, read John Crandell's devastating criticism below.

Move over. I want some Lieberman butthole, too!

Sorry, three's a crowd. Go find your own asshole. The world is full of billions of assholes.

You think Carville is funny? Yeah, He's funny looking! Yeah he's funny like a rubber crutch! Yeah he's funny, but as we used to say in high school, "Is he funny Ha Ha, or funny Odd?"

I think he is funny like poisonous serum would be in flu shots!

Carville is an asshole! A bloviator! And I cannot respect him because of who he chose to parent his children with. What could be more funamental than that? They both creep me out! Are they both just getting so much $$$ that they can't resist?

You know what creeps me out? The juxtaposition of your words with your avatar.

Please explain.

In front of the Varsity Theater, Austin, Texas, 1961, beautiful blond spitting in my face and calling me a goddam communist new york jew. It was the New York part that really hurt.

Billy, you lost me on this one. Along with 99% of the universe, I'm sure. Which probably gives you great pleasure.

I remember every detail. The Germans wore grey. You wore blue.

Oh come on, some of these are funny:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/james_carville.html

And this:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-carvilletrash.htm

Not Fake Sinbad funny, mind you. But significantly funnier than your average bigwig political consultant. Can you picture Mark Penn doing a cameo in Old School?

I wouldn't vote for the guy, but I really don't care who he makes babies with, and it's sort of refreshing to see rival strategists in love. I tell you, the world would be a poorer place without characters like Carville.

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And I cannot respect him because of who he chose to parent his children with.

Say what? I can't respect you for saying something that's so utterly none-of-your-beeswax.

Weren't you going to take a sabbatical from TPM?

Aborted sabbaticals are all the rage these days. Quitting is tough. There should be some kind of patch.

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Ha! Hang in there. ;-)

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Give to the Senatorial Candidates in your individual states. Why give it to some nebulous national group that then gets to decide who they can play favorites with, when they dole out you money. If Carville's fingerprints are on it, be very very afraid.

"All politics are local" Thomas Tip O'Neill.

Support your Democratic contenders for Senate seats, at your own state level. There is no need to feed it through the mouth of that Louisiana Horse, in the hope that he will excrete some local nourishment to your candidates. Feed them directly.

Billy, you're going soft. You didn't write "echo chamber" once in this post. You also did not follow through on your campaign pledge to stop posting for a while.

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Well Billy, you go for the non controversial and the Echo Chamber slams down again. I get it. I contribute to the cause of getting improving our majorities in both the House and Senate. I just don't think most of the Obmamaistas get it. Pretty sad actually.

It seems you feel our work is not a benefit to the public.

Replicants are like any other machine - they're either a benefit or a hazard. If they're a benefit, it's not my problem.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

Stop attending those republican bath house fundraisers with Lar.

Stop attending those republican bath house fundraisers with Larry Craig.

Your vomiting avatar is sickening. And I am a nurse, and a mother! What is your point?

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This particular thread sequence of Louisville1975, Desidero, Billy Glad, TM (x2), and CVille Dem is sheer genius!

You're hanging out in one of the most pointless blogs on the Internets and you're asking *me* what's the point? Sorry, lady, meaning and causality are down the hall, 2nd door on the left. And check that kid's rash while you're at it - you don't want her ending up looking like me, do you?

Pointless? My blog pointless? Like you, I want no straps!

I dunno, some of us prefer to give money to Act Blue, for example, or the DNC. Both are run by apparently somewhat decent people and the money goes for the same purpose.

But please keep thinking that it is all a conspiracy.

It's Obamaturds. Or Obabies, maybe. That might be a good one.

Nope, we're against having Democrats in the Senate, except for maybe Obama. Billy smoked us out.

We give up!

Damn. You sussed my trap. But you got here too late. Many Obamaists fell into it. Obamaites. Obamanauts! Yes. OBAMANAUTS AND CLINTONISTAS UNITE!

I like Obamanauts

Sailing toward the East, while all intelligent life moves West. Captain Obama and Sinbad.

Obamanauts is awesome. It reminds me of Supernaut by Black Sabbath, which was once referred to as the greatest rock and roll song ever recorded by Frank Zappa. I approve.

That sentence was poorly composed. It was once referred to by Frank Zappa as etc. Hope I didn't ruin it for everyone else!

James Carville is trying to usurp Democratic Senate candidates by appointing DINOs to run against true progressive candidates. Schumer and the DSCC have totally screwed our best Senate candidate in NC, Jim Neal. Schumer doesn't think an openly gay candidate can win against Liddy Dole (despite polling that shows the opposite, and despite Neal's strong grassroots support). So he drafted Kay Hagan to run against Neal for the Dem nomination - even though Hagan and Dole are only marginally different on the issues, and NC has repeatedly proven reluctant to elect "Republican-lite" Senators.

Then Carville had the "audicity" (to quote Johnny Mac) to show up at the NC Young Democrats' Convention and announce that NC had "a" very good candidate in Kay Hagan! Fortunately, Neal let Carville know that "We have primaries here in North Carolina. We don't have coronations."

(Oddly enough, I noticed the next week that Hillary Clinton was using her own version of a "coronation" line... . Wonder what made her think of that?)

Screw James Carville, Chuck Schumer, and the DSCC. If they don't respect Democrats or democracy, then they don't deserve my money. I'll donate to the candidates directly.

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Two weeks ago, James Carville appeared on ABC Sunday and said that he stands by calling Governor Richardson Judas.

Bill Richardson had written an op ed piece in which he asked Carville if every one that had ever worked for him, are obligated to always support Carville's wife in her endeavors, simple because they had once worked for him.

Carville would not answer that question. You know why. Because it made his Judas name calling look stupid.

He is an unprincipled creep.

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Act Blue - Blue Majority: The online clearing house for Democratic action. A central donation site sponsored by Daily Kos and others...progressives, liberal and moderates that all what change fro the usual Washington, D.C. bu$hification(s).


http://actblue.com/


http://actblue.com/page/bluemajority


Good to highlight the question. Thanks, BG. Recommended.

Billy, I may have to give you some cred on the echo chamber thing. Look at the friggin' recommended list:

3 outraged posts on Screw-Em. 5 outraged posts on ABC. (3 of these posts, I might add, are by BionicSoy, who posted twice about ABC.)

Word.

I posted this about defining John McCain and it got one response this afternoon. My Annie "the Tuzla Tigress" Oakley" post made the recommended list all day yesterday because I was ripping on HRC. Jesus! Lets start breaking McCain's balls!

Its about time we started (in a coordinated fashion) defining the conservative McCain. He ain't no centrist. Anyone interested in being part of the solution please click the link above and weigh on McCain.

BG, props to you but I prefer to give my money through ActBlue and BlueMajority. I then make sure my money goes to a candidate that I have personally researched.

I love Carville. I don't always love what he says about fellow Dems but he is one funny bastard. His famous rip on Bush the Elder was my favorite. To paraphrase, "if George Bush's heart was on fire, I wouldn't piss down his throat to put it out." Now you see that is some righteous hating!

We first saw way back in '92 or thereabouts, flipping channels in some hotel, and came on one of those late night CPAN programs where they have banquet tables set up in a hotel conference room without windows, and Carville was talking and we just fell out. Here was this guy who looked like an ax murderer just ripping the Republicans to shreds. Smart and funny. And he let's other people talk and finish what their saying before he answers them.

Yeah I love Carville, exactly because he doesn't censor his thoughts. He was ripping into McCain last week on Meet the Press about how he said the economic problems were psychological and it was hilarious.

And not that he doesn't get it wrong every once and again, but he's a political genius.

Recommend List? Where do you find a Recommend List?

Doh! The Recommended Reader Posts. Hell, I thought you had a link where you could see the folks who recommended a certain post. THAT would be cool.

as the author of one of those posts, i just wanted to say that i didn't know others had posted it or i, obviously, wouldn't have.

Fair enough, freaktown. There was good reason to have a post about the screw 'em article. It's not the authors that I blame so much as the recommenders. Everyone seems to venting their holy wrath against ABC and all things anti-Obama on the recommendation button. In other words, people are voting by ideological standards rather than by quality standards. (This applies more to the debate criticisms than the screw'em links, which is more about people not paying attention.) Certainly, we're human and rate more highly what appeals to our political sentiments. It just seems a little over the top lately.

Genghis;
How do you get to the results of the recommended list that you mentioned?
Thanks
David

Huh? I don't understand the question. I just meant the Recommended Reader Posts on the right side of the screen. The screw-em posts are gone. Now it's all ABC rants all the time. Plus this post and one from DF.

FYI, here's my latest snark to the same point:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/angry-bloggers-demand-substanc.php

It needs a few more clicks to make the list itself, so please click away.

It's tiring.

I like some of Carville's work and I'm unhappy with some. I just re-watched "The War Room," the behind-the-scenes look at the Carville, Stephanopoulos,Begala team defeating Bush 41. They were brilliant, tough and creative.

Carville has pledged to work for whichever candidate the Dems ultimately run against McCain. I want him on the team -- he's mean enough to go toe-to-toe w/the Rep. slime machine.

I don't give a goddamn who he wakes up next to.

(I'm not endorsing his role in the NC race. He's wrong there. And I'd give to Blue before the DSCC. But we are going to need Carville before this is all over).

Pennebaker nailed it. Great doc.

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For crying out loud, it's a fund-raising appeal to help the Dems win more Senate seats. Who cares who it is signed by? Though one would hope that a letter signed by the man who has done more for the Democratic Party than just about anyone in the last 15 years will generate a lot of money.

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Is Carville doing it for free, or is he raking in a huge share of the donations, ala Mark Penn. Can someone answer that question. I expect that Carville is charging huge consulting fees for the use of his name on the fund drive.

For the record. Carville did not put Bill Clinton in the White House. Ross Perot did. Without Perot splitting the moderates and right of center voters with Bush, Clinton would never have been elected.

Enough with the Clinton era fables and Fairy Tales. Clinton lucked out, because he had two opponents splitting the opposition.

The 1994 destruction of the Democratic majority revealed that Bill Clinton and James Carville just got lucky in the form of Ross Perot.

Liam,
Bullshit. The majority of exit polls show the Perot vote siphoned from both parties' candidates almost equally. Bush lost because:
1. He didn't have the Cold War to run on which depressed conservative turnout.
2. The economy was in a slight recession.
3. The opposition painted him as out of touch.
4. Clinton was able to appeal to both the liberal (because of his Arkansas gov. record) and the moderate (through numerous triangulation stuff, i.e. flying back to Ark. to execute a prisoner) factions of his party.
5. Perot temporarily dropped out of the race, thereby squandering his overall lead.
6. Bush's "no new taxes."

It's inaccurate to say Clinton got lucky. It's really inaccurate to say Clinton won because of Perot. It's like saying Gore lost because of Nader. He didn't.

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Cakaul: Bullshit right back at you.

The 1994 Elections exposed the Clintons for the lucky political weaklings that they truly are.

This campaign is proving that once again. They started out with a huge lead, and they now are inhaling vapors from a new, relatively unknown person. He is beating the combined team of the Great President Clinton and his great Co-President spouse.

The great Bill Clinton has to have any emergency squad always by his side on the campaign trail, to keep pulling his foot out of his mouth, or his head out of his arse. He is, and was a terrible politician. Senator Obama has exposed the fact that team Clinton is more myth than reality.

Hell, they are the ones that made a slug like Newt Gingrich into a preferred alternative.

The Clintons legacy is Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay, and Bush/Cheney. Master politicians my arse!


Let me get this straight. You don't like the Clintons. Right?

Liam,
Easy, Buddy. Take a breath. I thought we were discussing the '92 election, not the Clinton presidency or the Clinton legacy. I'm not defending Clinton in S.C. 2008, I'm saying he ran a smart campaign in '92. With the help of a great staff. You want to disagree? Fine. Logic is not on your side. Nor are the facts.

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Hell, they are the ones that made a slug like Newt Gingrich into a preferred alternative.

If you mean this, liam, you're crazy.

If you don't mean this, your talents at concocting hyperbole are rather weak.

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Newt cleaned their clock, and left Hillary shouting "Screw 'em", to Bill. You need to stop overdosing on Stupid Pills.

The 1994 election results prove that the Clintons destroyed the Party. Newt. Tom Delay, Bush/Cheney.

That is the Clinton Legacy.

You just can't handle the truth.

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How you connect Carville to Gingrich requires a mental gymnastics I am admittedly incapable of.

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cakaul: Right on - mostly. But of course Gore lost because of Nader. The exit polls prove your point re Perot and BC. And disprove it regarding Gore and Nader.

cecil,
Respectfully, I disagree. Not all exit polls disprove my point.

http://www.prorev.com/green2000.htm

This is an interesting piece. Some highlights:
1.62% of Nader votes were from Reps., indies, 3rd partiers and non-voters. In other words, not anymore likely to vote for gore than for bush.
2.Exit polls show that Bush would have won Fla. by more w/o Nader in the race.
3. gore lost Tenn, Arkansas and W. Va. Can't blame Nader for any of those inexcusable results.
4. 9 million dems voted for bush
5. 90,000 af. americans were illegally stricked from Fla voter rolls
6. 5-4 Supreme Ct. ruling stopped the recount that would have favored a Gore win.
7 all 8 3rd party candidates got more than the 543 votes cited as deciding factor in Fla.
8. Pat Buchanan got 3,500 votes in Palm Beach county, 95% of which he admits were because of faulty butterfly ballots.

Etc, Etc, Etc.

gore lost to bush because of many things -- Clinton, Bush dirty tricks, Supreme Court, and, most importantly, Gore. He ran an AWFUL campaign.

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I agree that Gore lost the election. And Nadar was not the reason. This is important because we cannot blame losses on an open system. I am for Obama. If he cannot navigate through all of the bullshit (popular word on this stream) he not only wont win but he will not succeed at being the leader of the "free" world. Put him through is paces. Stop making excuses for the joke of a campaign Gore put forth. We (right thinking democrats everywhere) deserve what happened by not expecting and demanding more from Gore. I intentionally leave out Kerry because he never indicated he would be our guy -and that is not to say he is not a strong demo rat - just who could really get excited?

Stop with the "It was all Nadar's fault" already.

Get ready for "how is Obama going to win this thing?"

The debate last night does not make me optimistic. Math does though.

Overall a very good list and you nailed my personal favorite, #3.

Gore lost because he was fighting the chattering press corps full time from 2 years before the election, including so-called progressive bloggers. Go read DailyHowler, it's documented in excruciating detail.

Gore lost because he's a prude who couldn't carry his home state.

Damn skippy.