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WAPO- "In Pa. Debate, The Clear Loser Is ABC"

Looks like Shales agrees with most everyone else.


In Pa. Debate, The Clear Loser Is ABC

By Tom Shales
Thursday, April 17, 2008; C01

When
Barack Obama met Hillary Clinton for another televised Democratic
candidates' debate last night, it was more than a step forward in the
2008 presidential election. It was another step downward for network
news -- in particular ABC News, which hosted the debate from Philadelphia and whose usually dependable anchors, Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, turned in shoddy, despicable performances.

For
the first 52 minutes of the two-hour, commercial-crammed show, Gibson
and Stephanopoulos dwelled entirely on specious and gossipy trivia that
already has been hashed and rehashed, in the hope of getting the
candidates to claw at one another over disputes that are no longer
news. Some were barely news to begin with.

The fact is, cable networks CNN and MSNBC
both did better jobs with earlier candidate debates. Also, neither of
those cable networks, if memory serves, rushed to a commercial break
just five minutes into the proceedings, after giving each candidate a
tiny, token moment to make an opening statement. Cable news is indeed
taking over from network news, and merely by being competent.

Gibson
sat there peering down at the candidates over glasses perched on the
end of his nose, looking prosecutorial and at times portraying himself
as a spokesman for the working class. Blunderingly he addressed an
early question, about whether each would be willing to serve as the
other's running mate, "to both of you," which is simple ineptitude or
bad manners. It was his job to indicate which candidate should answer
first. When, understandably, both waited politely for the other to
talk, Gibson said snidely, "Don't all speak at once."

For that
matter, the running-mate question that Gibson made such a big deal over
was decidedly not a big deal -- especially since Wolf Blitzer asked it during a previous debate televised and produced by CNN.

The
boyish Stephanopoulos, who has done wonders with the network's Sunday
morning hour, "This Week" (as, indeed, has Gibson with the nightly
"World News"), looked like an overly ambitious intern helping out at a
subcommittee hearing, digging through notes for something smart-alecky
and slimy. He came up with such tired tripe as a charge that Obama
once associated with a nutty bomb-throwing anarchist. That was "40
years ago, when I was 8 years old," Obama said with exasperation.

Obama
was right on the money when he complained about the campaign being
bogged down in media-driven inanities and obsessiveness over any
misstatement a candidate might make along the way, whether in a speech
or while being eavesdropped upon by the opposition. The tactic has been
to "take one statement and beat it to death," he said.

No sooner
was that said than Gibson brought up, yet again, the controversial
ravings of the pastor at a church attended by Obama. "Charlie, I've
discussed this," he said, and indeed he has, ad infinitum. If he tried
to avoid repeating himself when clarifying his position, the networks
would accuse him of changing his story, or changing his tune, or some
other baloney.

This is precisely what has happened with widely
reported comments that Obama made about working-class people "clinging"
to religion and guns during these times of cynicism about their federal
government.

"It's not the first time I made a misstatement that
was mangled up, and it won't be the last," said Obama, with refreshing
candor. But candor is dangerous in a national campaign, what with
network newsniks waiting for mistakes or foul-ups like dogs panting for
treats after performing a trick. The networks' trick is covering an
election with as little emphasis on issues as possible, then blaming
everyone else for failing to focus on "the issues."

Some news may
have come out of the debate (ABC News will pretend it did a great job
on today's edition of its soppy, soap-operatic "Good Morning America"). Asked point-blank if she thought Obama could defeat presumptive Republican contender John McCain
in the general election, Clinton said, "Yes, yes, yes," in apparent
contrast to previous remarks in which she reportedly told other
Democrats that Obama could never win. And in turn, Obama said that
Clinton could "absolutely" win against McCain.

To this observer,
ABC's coverage seemed slanted against Obama. The director cut several
times to reaction shots of such Clinton supporters as her daughter,
Chelsea, who sat in the audience at the Kimmel Theater in Philly's National Constitution Center.
Obama supporters did not get equal screen time, giving the impression
that there weren't any in the hall. The director also clumsily chose to
pan the audience at the very start of the debate, when the candidates
made their opening statements, so Obama and Clinton were barely seen
before the first commercial break.

At the end, Gibson pompously
thanked the candidates -- or was he really patting himself on the back?
-- for "what I think has been a fascinating debate." He's entitled to
his opinion, but the most fascinating aspect was waiting to see how low
he and Stephanopoulos would go, and then being appalled at the answer.



Comments (16)

Yes. Yes. Yes.

I couldn't watch the actual debate. I later listened to the replay on radio. After about 30 minutes, when the flag lapel question was floated, I turned to a music channel. The level of public discourse in this country is appalling. This "debate" format is ridiculous, and ABC's moderators hit an all time low with their performances.

I don't understand why either candidate wouldn't ask the moderators if they had any questions related to actual issues, and if not, perhaps the moderators could pass their microphones to the audience. Put a little heat on these media clowns.

That is a great idea! Please pass it on to the Obama campaign in case we have to suffer through any more "debates!"

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The ABC debate, last night, was some of the worst garbage I've seen in several campaign cycles. I agree with your observation that the whole thing was slanted toward Hillary Clinton.

1. One of the moderators used to be her husband's press secretary. (a Clinton insider).
2. That Clinton insider used the question of Bill Ayers, which was given to him from right-wingers.
3. Hillary's comment to the Bill Ayers question was obviously pre-pared with the obvious intention of opening this non-issue up.
4. Obama was only given time to answer for people he has been associated with ...for what it comes down to... merely being a resident of Chicago and thus having to interact with the established institutions in Chicago. (i.e. a. Rev. Wright's church is one of the largest and most influential in the city. It only makes sense that a black politician who was looking to work with faith-based outreach would attend, regardless of what the pastor may have said. Eight thousand other people go to that church. b. Bill Ayers is an established resident in Chicago who is involved in his community. c.Rezko is a power-broker in Chicago, and rubs shoulders with everyone with access to power. Avoiding him in the political scene would be about as easy as working in the dog-house and never being bitten by a flea.)
5. Hillary got thrown soft-balls. The only difficult thing she had was the "Bosnia" issue and the moderators did not follow it up. (By the same rules of association that have been used on Obama, Hillary could be tied to The Black Panthers. She SHOULD be tied to the convicted criminal Peter Paul who financed the biggest fundraising gala of her 2000 Senate campaign in Hollywood. This has been amazingly covered up by the corporate media. Hillary could have and should have been asked about her 1995 comment in regards to white southern blue-collar workers in which she said, "Screw em." ...She really cares about the voters.
6. Obama was not allowed by the moderators to overly-dwell on actual policy issues. They said he already used his time during their smear campaign.

This was a classic hoodwinking. Obama handled it far better than I would have. Twenty minutes into it, I said out loud: "He should walk off the stage and tell them when they're ready to have a real debate to call him." ...But he stood there and dealt with it; and because of this I feel perfectly vindicated in the confidence I have placed with him. I already voted for him, here in Alabama ...and he won our state. He will win it again in November and Alabama, which is traditionally a red state, will go blue. Hillary doesn't have a prayer in this state ..."Screw her."

But yes, your observation that this was a staged lynching is absolutely correct. Boycott ABC/Disney ...I have and I'm not the only one.

Shales usually hits it right on the head, and this is no exception. He's a TV critic, so it is appropriate that he cover the debate for the WaPo. It was TV drama, not news, and it was bad drama. I am wondering why no one is questioning why Bill CLinton's former wonder boy was not required to disclose to the audience that he owes his entire career to the Clintons? ABC, like the other 2 networks, will soon be a relic of the past. No one under the age of 25 gets their news from these major corporations, and that's a good thing. Only the "smarter, older voters" [per Bill} who supposedly support Hillary think the networks tell the truth. This will ultimately help Obama. And, I hope he refuses to debate again during this primary.

Politics has been spectator sport for several decades now, but it has devolved from real sport to staged sport like professional wrestling. I am glad I didn't waste my time watching this charade. My mind is made up anyway, so why should I punish myself by stiiting on the edge of my seat hoping fervently that my candidate doesn't screw up, or that the other one does? I have better things to do with my time.

Good points Official. I tuned in to what turned out to be a train wreck. I saw the ABC that I thought to be a generic biased network, morph into Fox News. It was like finding out the innocent old lady next door was really heroin addicted prostitute with a penchant for cutting Johns with a straight edge. A bit unexpected. I knew Stephanopoulis was a Clinton apostle but I didn't think he'd do what he did.

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Here is an awesome debate commentary/hip-hop video from the website Ill Doctrine (http://www.illdoctrine.com/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdnljEV7MP4

Thanks, that was hilarious.

How do I hit 'recommend' for the video too?

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No, the clear loser was the obvious loser. He finally faced some tough questioning, and he wilted. Hillary was under far worse attack at the previous debate on MSNBC, and she came out ahead. Obama wilted, and no amount of blaming ABC can change the fact that under fire he didn't perform. And he's out there today spinning that he's going to win by just brushing it all off and rising above it. That's a beautiful concept. The noble candidate who refuses to engage in all the irrelevant stuff, and addresses only "the issues". But that's not how he has campaigned so far. He's often attacked Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton. He's attacked John McCain. He's been in the deep and dirty just as much as any other candidate. And no matter how he thinks the Fall campaign is going to go, the Republicans will have a say in the tenure of the debate. If he can't handle the heat last night, he can't handle the oven to come.

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Irrelevant gutter analysis. If you subscribe to gutter politics then you do support HRC. When you have nothing to run on, you take on the persona of Karl Rove. If that's what you think a campaign should be built upon (Do you wear a lapel pin? Where's Hillary's?) then fine but don't confuse those trivial tabloid issues with the hypocrisy of HRC running around like she's this historic gun rights supporter, or anti-trade proponent.

It's over. Get over it.

Ignore the troll

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It seems to me that ABC owes us a debate. Alamantra, I actually thought Obama was going to walk off the stage at one point. He all but begged to discuss issues. Guess I was naive to think we would finally hear some real issues, not the re-hash of the stuff you can get every night on TV. If George Stephanopolos bases his vote for the President of our country on the answers from the questions he posed I certainly do not want to be associated with him. And Charlie Gibson has always been weak as a journalist, in my opinion, and was no better last night.

This was not a debate of the issues. I'm not sure what you would call it and really don't care because that's irrelevant. But it was not a debate of the issues.

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I wasn't able to watch the debate last night, but I did watch some of the video that ABC.com provided later, and I've read the many comments on this site and others. I just want to applaud the people who see past the "who won" mentality and focus on the travesty that ABC served up as a "debate". I'm a recovering Republican and I see Barack Obama as a leader in the true sense--one who can lead this country back to greatness. I would like to hear more about Sen. Obama's ideas and stances. I could care less about a lapel pin and what the deeper meanings of "bitter" might be.

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