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TPMCafe Troll-a-thon Day Three: A Troll down Memory Lane
Desidero took an early lead in Day Two of the Troll-a-thon, and despite a number of good efforts, no one was able to catch up. Not even Billy Glad's complaint about the echo chamber could change the fact that the Best Film of All Time was clearly The Exorcist.
But now, trolls and trollettes, it's time to put on your history-wonk hats for Day Three of the troll-a-thon.
Topic Three: The Battle of the Bills
Exactly 100 years ago, this country was torn by a close presidential election between Theodore Roosevelt's hand-picked successor William Howard Taft, with the Republican Party, and Democratic candidate and famed attorney/orator William Jennings Bryan.
Clinton trolls, you must advocate for Taft. Obama trolls, advocate for Bryan.
Your discussion must remain true to the period. No reference to post-1908 events is allowed. It's your opportunity to troll Victorian-style.
Discuss.
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Comments (41)
Shall the People Rule?
Stop FEEDING THE BEAST: TFAT!
April 16, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here here, my good man. The good people of this country could never cast their lot for a gentleman whose foremost qualification is the Secretary of War. Of whom do I speak? Why, of Taft, of course! This country needs not a warrior at this time, but a man of letters, like the remarkable Bryan. Why, Taft is not fit to kneel before Bryan to gratify him orally. Taft is little more than an unpleasant, syphilitic scoundrel.
April 16, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Points for "syphilitic."
April 16, 2008 7:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jefferson whores himself to the scourge of unchecked Republicanism. He suffers from a deranged Francophilia and is unworthy to do more than prance about in Parisian stockings gratifying his harem of Virginia slave girls.
Adams is a true patriot, possessed of the virtue and vim to drive away the vile Francophiles. His wife is of irreproachable virtue.
Adams '96. A Federalist gentleman of _true_ virtue.
April 16, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good show.
April 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who made allsburg the judge of this contest? How exactly did he come to define the gold standard of trollery?
Bryan supporters, Taft supporters, we need not stand for this!!
Having behind us the producing masses of this blog, supported by the laboring interests and the trolls everywhere, we will answer his demand for a gold standard by saying to him: You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold!
April 16, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, so I clearly won this thread, according to the first rule of all competitions involving WJ Bryan -- "first one to work in a reference to the cross of gold speech wins." Thank you, thank you, no photographs please.
But what gives with Obama = Bryan? Famous orator who lost to a Republican. Thanks for the jinx, Allsburg.
April 16, 2008 1:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nooooo!!! Bryan was from Illinois, too! (Born there, anyway.)
April 16, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
You might find yourself crucified on a cross of trolls. (Silence... coughing... wolf baying at moon).
April 16, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
April 16, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cross of Gold speech was from 1921. You might as well talk about moon landings and transistors.
April 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, well, uh, the recording is from 1921 at least....
April 16, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I shall not submit to the parameters in which this screed is premised. I grant you, the latter gentleman, Bryan, has appealing attributes that may resemble the current democratic gentleman seeking the highest office in the land. However, I protest your assertion that Lady Clinton has any resemblance to Mr. Taft.
I am surely correct what history has proved categorically - Mr. Taft was distressed by large corporate contributions to his campaign, fearing conflict of interest. Lady Clinton, however, shows no such reluctance.
Similarity can be only be loosely found on the grounds that both Mr. Taft and Lady Clinton received funds from corporate interests, thereby purchasing, or attempting to purchase, an election.
http://www.buyingofthepresident.org/index.php/the_hanna_project/election_year/1908_taft_vs_bryan1/
April 16, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Bryan is certainly appealing to petty superstition to keep the people scared and in their place. Afraid of science, afraid of business, afraid of alcohol, afraid of the world - he talks of the people, but his kind of populism is but a silver chain around their necks. America needs more than symbolism - banning and prohibiting every vestige of society we have troubles with will only bring us to our knees. We need hard tough negotiations to reach common ground, not a bunch of bull in a bully pit.
April 16, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
C*cksucker.
April 16, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
+10 for remaining in character.
April 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any man who would lend his support to Mister Taft reveals himself to be naught but a ninnyhammer.
April 16, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
(Am I allowed a second entry? Hopefully not, because disregarding the rules would be a trollish thing to do.)
Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1908
April 16, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
My friend William Taft appeals to the better nature in us, the staunch Protestant spirit that wants to roll up sleeves and take on new challenges. His opponent, Mr. Bryant, has his sights set on exploiting petty differences, playing on petty grievances and turning them into bitterness and dispute. America finds itself in opportunity in this new century, but only William Taft has the experience to see our manifest possibilities worldwide - he has served in the Philippines and Cuba and understands the perils of war and the prosperity of peace. Little Billy Bryant may talk pretty but he understands nothing of the follies and necessities of foreign ventures. He thinks he can close the borders and stand ostrich-like with his head in the sand, and that everyone from Spain to Japan will bow down to his poetic wishes - if wishes were horses, beggars would ride they say, but the great powers of Europe are not spending their time wishing. The Tsar looks East, the Kaiser looks West, and we need a strong man to face up to their ambitions. Mr. Bryan says we can ignore them, we can isolate them, but we only isolate ourselves.
Some have had a good laugh over Mr. Taft's phrasing, that he was "instrumental in the creation of the Panama Canal", but we all know that without him the financial and political push would not have taken place. He travelled through difficult perils to meet with the Emperor in Tokyo and faced down the Pope in Rome, even while some were saying these trips were just more fodder for Mr. Hearst's yellow journalists. But more than any, Mr. Taft is the voice of reason and discerning action in a time of rash, foolhardy invective. America's shores are awash with tides of immigrants from Russia, Poland, China, while south of the border Diaz has signalled the end of his long rule. What is Mr. Bryan's view to all this? To treat all newcomers as equals, giving them the rights of hard-working citizens, come one, come all, even letting them drive carriages with no manifest. Mr. Wright is not against immigration - he knows the strengths of the American workforce are second to none in the world - but uncontrolled growth like uncontrolled corporate power is the road to corruption and neglect. Instead we need a careful hand to balance the excesses without throttling the child. We don't need to appeal to the electorate's baser emotions - we have only to appeal to its more noble faith and reason.
April 16, 2008 5:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ahem, I meant Mr. Taft, not Mr. Wright - though Orville like his brother Wilbur is a staunch supporter of Mr. Taft and I expect we shall carry the Carolinas because of him, despite Mr. Bryant's divisive campaign and his attempt to monopolize what he sees as "his" movement and "his" people down there. We will not be bowed or intimidated by Mr. Bryant's appeal to his roots, though some have suggested Mr. Bryant would not be where he is if he were not a Bible thumper.
April 16, 2008 5:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
To the fat Despot of the Leyte and Samar Islands, consider the warnings of our late good Massachusettes Senator, George Frisbie Hoar:
"You have sacrificed nearly ten thousand American lives—the flower of our youth. You have devastated provinces. You have slain uncounted thousands of the people you desire to benefit. You have established reconcentration camps. Your generals are coming home from their harvest bringing sheaves with them, in the shape of other thousands of sick and wounded and insane to drag out miserable lives, wrecked in body and mind. You make the American flag in the eyes of a numerous people the emblem of sacrilege in Christian churches, and of the burning of human dwellings, and of the horror of the water torture... in some cases they have carried on your warfare with a mixture of American ingenuity and Castilian cruelty.
Your practical statesmanship has succeeded in converting a people who three years ago were ready to kiss the hem of the garment of the American and to welcome him as a liberator, who thronged after your men when they landed on those islands with benediction and gratitude, into sullen and irreconcilable enemies, possessed of a hatred which centuries can not eradicate."
April 16, 2008 3:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Its is my belief that the Filipinos will embrace the garment of America yet again, but it is with remorse but steadfastness that we face up to the obstacles that the world places before us.
Your candidate says he is against the war now, but he whole-heartedly supported it in '98, if only his little band of jingoists had been fit and ready for combat. Perhaps if he had been in office he could have put his money where his mouth is, but instead he was too busy dallying with the flatteries of his congregation, hiding behind the frock of his preacher to embrace a divisive antediluvian view of the world instead of welcoming the advances of modern science - even summoning up Darwinism and American Progress as stemming from "hate and bitterness". He cannot make up his mind whether he is a Democrat or a Progressive or even a preacher himself, and it is my mind that if he loses this nomination he will run with his third party and try to destroy our hard work. Ironically, he has raged against the support of railroads and trusts until they were instrumental in supporting his own personal ambitions to power, at which time his puffed up overblown objections abated like a sail in flagging wind. This man is a scoundrel in workman's linens, and as some have suggested, does not know exactly who he is but knows very well where he wants to be.
April 16, 2008 5:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get thee behind me, Satan! Avert your eyes from my cross of gold, lest you melt in the molten furnace of truth! Would you also that the Orientals and poor pagan savages of Sandwich yet slave in the barbed Dole pineapple fields, whilst their good Queen Liliuokalani rots in her dungeon? I suppose as the godless secessionist John Tyler Morgan, you secretly plot to deport the negro, that he might slave again, abroad and without the watchful eye of Christendom!!!
April 16, 2008 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Give the Devil his due, he has done less damage to the heathen cause than all the God-invested warriors have brought to their shores. But should they run Amuk, as the Malays and Moros are wont to do, I'm sure your charitable Christian reserve would quickly give way to Mr. Browning's .45 just as quickly as your rasher, more outspoken comrades. Hypocrisy is not just in the words, but in how quickly you pull the trigger. But fear not, we welcome all types of sinners here, as superstition and ignorance has colonized the last corners of the Earth far more rapidly than any logic or reason would have. There's nothing that draws weak men on faster than the smell of easy money or easy virtue.
April 16, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Points for obesity.
April 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I might: this symposium is lame.
April 16, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I reject the contest. There is no meaningful difference between Taft and Bryan or their respective parties. We must elect Tom Watson of the Populist Party. He is great patriot and, as Clarence Darrow writes, "a beacon of light to those in doubt". In addition to supporting a graduated income tax, he will also protect us from Negroes and Jews. As he wrote so eloquently:
April 16, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Genghis, you're not supposed to reference this campaign.
April 16, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
This dramatically alters my feelings on the '77 Open.
April 16, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just trying to crucify me on a cross of gold. Admit it!
April 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leave it to Genghis to play the race card.
April 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The true winner of this thread is Allsburg himself, who squeezed more than 12 recommends out of an intendedly esoteric thread.
Which on this site is damned hard to do.
Congratulations, baby.
April 16, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can scarcely believe that the peoples of these United States of America can possibly consider electing a gentleman of the atheistic Unitarian persuasion. Need I repeat myself? Taft is an admitted Christ-denier! Such a man deserves no seat at the helm of this great Christian nation! Perhaps--just perhaps--his legal career suits him well for a position on the Supreme Court of these United States, but his presidential ambitions must be thwarted for the good of all.
April 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would anyone want to vote for that fat rat in the corner?
April 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
T.A.F.T
Take Advice For Taft, the fat rat in the corner. You don't want to see the horse he rode in on - a monstrous act of cruelty. No wonder Nellie packed him off to Hot Springs, VA.
April 16, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've spent a considerable amount of time in the Taft Tap Room (Richters), opposite the New Haven Green. They sell beer by the yard there. The glass is nearly as tall as I am. The Yale crew team has been known to take it over. There is a painting of Taft above the bar and I must say his immense girth is an effective reminder to stick with "one" yard of brew.
:)
That said:
U R AL STOPID MORANS!!!!!!!!!!!
April 16, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
CALLING ALL FELLOW OBAMA SUPPORTERS:
Last night I came to the conclusion that it will be up to us to counter the Republican 527 adds (Swift Boats) if the Democratic party is not up to the task. These attacks have to come from the party or us-NOT Obama. he has to stay clean while we do this awful dirty work for him. Kerry's swift Boating proved that these attacks cannot be ignored.
I really believe we can make the difference when the Repubs start coming after Obama and Michelle.
But lets start now!
Who knows how to get in touch with anyone associated with a 527 organization. I think if we could run this "Screw Them" piece on video from now until the primary next Tuesday we just might be able to finish Hillary off. If Obama could beat her in Pa this would be over!
I REALLY HOPE SOMEONE CAN RESPOND TO THIS!
April 16, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would someone lead this gentleman back to the hall of echoes? He appears to have gotten lost.
April 16, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Mister Taft behaves like his brethren from Ohio, we must question the suitability for office of a man who not only enjoys his drink and eat, and but whoring around with females of the dusky persuasion. Could it be that he, too is blessed with ancestors on the Dark Continent? Has he not sired an infant with wooly hair? Was he not seen cavorting on side streets in the sporting district? Now, his girth might preclude him from the more vigorous pursuits, but is he not a man of means who can afford person to -- shall we say -- do the heavy lifting for him?
Dare we put this man, with all of his appetites into the People's House?
Now I know my opponent will suggest he has never lain with anyone other than his wife and helpmeet, and he will suggest that he is incapable of fathering children due to his unfortunate expanse. But he cannot deny that his gluttony would lead this great nation to ruin!
April 16, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 16, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
THE CROSS OF GOLD IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! FOR TAFT!!!!
April 16, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
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