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This CAN'T be good...
So here I am, Ben Hocking, your favorite Comp Sci professor who likes to blog on TPM. You've seen me. You know me. Right?
Wrong. I'm actually the little baby that runs the Troll-a-thon.
Turns out that, with the new TPM layout, it is ridiculously easy to impersonate another user.
I can't decide if this is a bug or a feature.
p.s.--I have the real Ben Hocking's permission to post this using his photo and handle.
At least, I think it was the real Ben Hocking.
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Comments (70)
Oh, well, it's at least something that this comes up under my actual handle....that doesn't happen on the comments.
April 18, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting…
April 18, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I may have fixed that. Let's see if the system refreshes...
April 18, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, yes. You initially only changed one of your "names" I take it?
April 18, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly....hey, I gotta catch the bus...I'll check back in later tonight.
April 18, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, should we wait for this thing to fall off the recommended list before we switch back? I'm thinking I might borrow PF Harlock's creation as part of a slow transition back to Ben Hocking.
April 19, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you called it first. I was thinking the same thing.
April 19, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
How's this for a transition? (You might need to refresh to get the new image.)
April 19, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just for the record, you're a CS grad student, and not a professor. Not even with a lower case "p". At least, not yet. Maybe if you stopped spending so much time on TPM, you'd get that dissertation finished!
April 18, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geez, I figured if I was 37 and still at a university, I must be a professor. How long have I been writing that dissertation?
April 18, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've been working on the dissertation for about 3 years. Before that you spent quite some time in a scary place academics refer to (in hushed tones) as "the real world".
April 18, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
People in the echo chamber also find the real world scary. Did you see that Hillary accepted a PBS debate in Indiana and Obama doesn't know if he can make it or not? Are you sure we're not supposed to use that rolling on the floor laughing stuff here?
April 18, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has now officially made all debates with her irrelevant forever. We've got better things to do--like energizing 35,000 people in Philadelphia last night. Just think, we could have all spent the evening on a stupid Hillary debate instead---NOT.
April 19, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should debate on Montana and Puerto Rico public radio, on June 2, aboard an aircraft carrier drydocked near San Juan, PR, the issues of concern to Montana and Puerto Rico.
Ah, debates . . .
Clinton Campaign Demands More Debates After Clinton Concedes
By - April 16, 2008, 10:24PM
Philadelphia (TPM). Declaring victory in tonight's Philadelphia debate, an effusive Clinton campaign demanded that debates continue after Senator Clinton's formal concession, now expected no later than June 3.
As Senator Clinton stated, beaming: "I know the odds are long, and that I have little. . . what the hell, no real chance of winning unless Obama robs a bank. In fact, he'd probably go up in Gallup if he did, because I'd attack him over it until people wanted to barf on their shoes. But let me get to my point -- the minority of the American people who support me over Barack really enjoy me tearing down Barack. I could feel the energy when I brought up Ayers. And that 9/11 reference really found its mark. I won tonight, even though I can't win the nomination. So there's no doubt that more debates, even after the campaign, though as pointless as tonight's, will both gratify me and entertain at least a fair number of Americans. So I demand that they continue, ceaselessly."
Howard Wolfson, in the spin room afterward, renewed the demand. "Senator Obama is wrong. This is not a campaign about pledged delegates. It is not even a campaign about a nomination, as that appears to have eluded us. This is a campaign about campaigning. Nobody can stop it. It's a force of nature. To be specific, Hillary Clinton's nature. So yes, we want even more debates."
As Wolfson clarified in a later print release, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge, and FoxNews have offered to host a rotating series of weekly post-concession Obama-Clinton debates, in states that might tip to John McCain in the fall, including Florida, Michigan, West Virginia, and Ohio. "Hillary accepts this demand, and challenges Senator Obama to do the same. Questioning by far-conservative icons in states with the same voters Senator Obama has disrespected will show that Senator Clinton should actually have been nominated, as would John McCain's victory. We will vindicate the idea that we should have been the nominee. Just you wait."
April 19, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, in case any of you are confused, Ben and I have exchanged photos and handles. We've done it consensually, but we didn't need to. We could have instead taken the identity of genghis, or billy glad, or gotalife.
(Actually, that's quite an idea...what if gotalife started posting incredibly positive things about Obama...)
April 18, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
As long as you're consenting adults, I don't care what you do.
April 19, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
BFD
April 18, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This kind of self-indulgent nonsense drives valuable, informative postings off the list.
Please.
April 18, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You say that, until someone assumes your identity online and starts slurring people...
April 18, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, all those valuable, informative postings, providing breaking news I could get nowhere else, along with novel spin like
"This is it! Hillary is finally done for!"
and
"Barack's elitism will make him unelectable in the general."
Chill a bit. We're going six weeks without a primary, with the eventual nominee no longer seriously in doubt, and the straight version of the argument has gotten deadly boring. Posts like this are a lot more interesting than "OMG! Keith Olberman dissed Hillary!" Next week things will start happening again, in an actual election, and there will be actual information to be "informed" about. Till then, more power to the meta posts.
April 19, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I share your sentiments. Other than the occasional new absurdity (like Hillary's Clinton's recently revealed attack on elements of her own party) we're at a point now where the Democratic race is over and it's pretty much the same discussions (often of minutia) going around and around and around...
Might as well just have some fun.... and take on a cause, or two. (Look out.)
April 19, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is totally freaking me out, man. I'm seriously getting the fear.
April 18, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor guy...
Does this help?
April 18, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if anyone saw it, but I can't take that picture anymore!
April 18, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
dang...I missed it.
April 18, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at your own risk... :)
http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/PF_Harlock/
April 19, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's the cutest baby I've ever seen!
April 19, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha... A face only a clone could love. :)
April 19, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. I like it. Now whenever I troll I can say it was someone impersonating Billy Glad. Now I can make all the hate-filled racist comments I want. I can say the things about the echo chamber I've been longing to tell you but afraid and shy I let my golden chances pass me by.
April 18, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a way to detect the impostors, however. Just click on the "Posted by" link (or hover over it). Of course, that requires you to know, for example, that DF=dintofinley.
April 18, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which I knew.
April 18, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is, now I have to keep hovering over people's signatures to make sure they are who they say they are. I was pretty convinced for a minute there that LisB was Genghis.
April 18, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking the exact same thing!
Which is even scarier than normal, considering…
April 18, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should I take this as some sort of a good thing?
April 18, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it wasn't a bad thing with respect to you. It's just something that it'd be easy seeing Genghis doing.
April 18, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am so not ready for this new development.
April 19, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I see a post coming soon, Billy, with your name and face attached: "How I decided to follow destor23's lead and jump on the Obama bandwagon."
April 18, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I could take on the role of airwon, another_reader, wilson_one, or kensdad…
I know you mentioned gotalife earlier, but I really wouldn't want to associate him with Obama in any way. :P
April 18, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Metastasizing meta.
Now I don't even trust myself.
April 18, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I think it can be very, very good.
April 18, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, let me just go meta meta without the joking, it's not funny, it's outrageous. Can we get serious, BenHocking/Allsburg/whoever you are, and yes I am going to shout:
THIS SOFTWARE INSTALLATION, QUITE SIMPLY, IS A JOKE FOR COMMUNITY USE, it's a USELESS PIECE OF GARBAGE.
TPM got ripped off, everyone should stop dancing around the issue!
What kind of frigging developer wouldn't think of making a user name secure in 2008, for crying out loud?! It's like clueless to the max. Others went way beyond this long ago, on many sites you can't as easily get a second sockpuppet name as easily as you once could. Ebay was more sophisticated when it still had under 10 members....
It's been over 2 months that they've known that author's names aren't showing up on Reader Blog pages, wouldn't you fix that right away if you were promoting the ability for Readers to blog to a a large audience, shouldn't they be embarassed about that?...
and then they cannot seem to sync immediate posting and having recent comments on user page simultaneously, it's either one or the other, not both....
who the heck suggested a text editor on blog entries without one on comments so that users have to learn two systems?....
Who the hell these days has blog posting and commenting WITHOUT A PREVIEW FUNCTION much less an edit function!? And after 2 months still can't install it?!
And who the hell planted the Contributor Blog archives under the section labeled "Reader Blog Archives"? Can't they read their own headings? How the heck do you access posts after they scroll off the pages? Where do they go? Why aren't category labels on the front page posts according to the sections they are going into? If no one can access them, why use bandwith to keep them? To give Google business? Are they on payola from Google?....
need I go on?...
When are these screwball software people going to apologize to TPM and its audience, and in public?
Until they do, everyone should quit being polite and start dissing them publicly, allover the blogosphere, tell everyone much they stink. Being nice about this at this stage is like Bush saying "Heckuva job Bernie"
Don't believe me, read what Andrew Golis thought he was getting on January 30 and 31 here and here.
Yes you can: go forth and testify as to the user friendliness of the work of Apperceptive.com, tell everyone the heckuva job they do.
April 19, 2008 4:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
2 1/2 months, so far, and even the bad software isn't fully operational. So let's consider the publicly stated goals, and the assumed private purpose, and see if either have been met.
Pages load a bit faster, fine. They don't load very fast, but nobody's do, now, with all the off-site linked ads. So that's meager, although it may allow better income structures with google-ads or someone. Half a point for site owner.
Overall traffic might be higher--we would not know automatically, and ad-sourced data sites are not likely representative.
If site owner is saving money overall, somehow, tha's good for him. We also would not know, but can guess that more streamlined web pages and smaller archives mean a smaller data demand, and perhaps a lower hosting cost.
If the previous Cafe clique was scaring away traffic (unproven), the new clique risks doing the same.
As to user issues----
The lack of down-rating means junk posts crowd out interesting stuff.
The ephemeral nature of posts means even the good posts have to try for loud headlines.
The amorphous identities of users mean one has no confidence to whom one is speaking.
The archives from old Cafe are still weird. My "Latest Comments" now shows a few items from late October 2005!
No tracking, even with the meager chasing of one's own comments (not available to some, like me).
No edit/preview function!
At least logins seem stable.
So, the roundup---
From my point of view, the guest contributing is weaker than in 2005, and I find it harder to find stuff in general.
The readers have some new blood, including a few very entertaining or insightful writers. This is offset by the loss of some other equally valuable writers.
I'd say a net break-even, at best. Hope it didn't cost much.
April 19, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good points Artappraiser and TW.
We really need to go back to the old Cafe software. Josh, Andrew, somebody will you please explain why you don't demand a refund from your current software developers and go back to what worked? Because what worked really worked well.
April 19, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Tom, as a former tpmcafe member who loved it a lot.
April 19, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is becoming, day by day, more and more like the Chuangtzu.
April 19, 2008 6:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
replete with sub-standard low walls around the big cat pens!
don't you drunken teenage trolls taunt the animals! they'll leap on you and maul you to death!
April 19, 2008 7:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
You people are subversive elements. No respect for authority!
April 19, 2008 7:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right! Considering this mess of a site, I assumed it could be done, but **I** chose not to blab about it. Then these two punks decide they're gonna turn the place upside-down!
But hey, really, it was just a matter of time. :)
Frankly, I feel it's time for the TPM folks to throw out this Hillary Clinton software and switch to something more Barack Obama-like. (I know. Wasn't that metaphor awful?)
April 19, 2008 7:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I must say that I was highly suspicious when I first saw JMM's posts in the discussions. I thought someone was impersonating him. In fact I'm still not 100% sure :)
April 19, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Authority?
Show us where it is so we can genuflect...
Actually, this has been a very enlightening thread, along with the trollathon, our psuedo-trolls have illustrated and exercised more than one foible in the program.
However, the concepts of blogger identity theft, habitual sockpuppetry and compulsive posing is not well covered in the legal guide to blogging...
http://w2.eff.org/
...but that doesnot mean precedent can't be established with a few good lawsuits.
Secure blogger ID's may prove to be as elusive as an honest political debate. But at least we ought to try. I'm in agreement with artappraiser, the software re-tuning needs re-tuning.
April 19, 2008 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
A more-direct link to the legal guide for bloggers...
http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg/
April 19, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lest you misunderstand - I wrote "You people are subversive elements" but I could have (perhaps should have) added: Where do I sign up?
April 19, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel like I've just been unplugged from the matrix.
Who are you people?! Who am I?!
If you can't trust the internet, what can I believe in?
April 19, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta agree, Joh got had with this software.
That said, now what?
April 19, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
You don't want us paid political operatives for Obama to be out of work, do you? You must be pro employment after all.
April 19, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
How about another explanation? You are all the same person (as I've noted before you are all kind of lock-step in spouting The Obama Cult line) and are either now confused about which login you are using or you are having a multi-personality disorder breakdown (too much Kool-Aid?).
Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com
April 19, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of John Wheeler's suggestion that all electrons are identical because they are all the same electron.
April 19, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what's going to be on the menu in the White House starting January of 2009?
Kool-aid.
Thank you President Barack Obama.
April 19, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless there's another terrorist attack, in which case it will become "Freedom-aid".
April 19, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
With that avatar, how come you're not Genghis, anyway?
April 19, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he IS.
April 19, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh dear... You've crossed the animated gif threshold. What hath we wrought... This genie's not goin' back in the bottle.
Hey, "Lil' Ben Allsburg" is all yours if you want to use it, too. :)
April 19, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I went there. I won't keep that particular animated gif up for long (no more than a couple days), but I might replace it with a different animated gif.
April 19, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I don't know how to do an animated gif. I'm just going to resume my previous identity when this post disappears.
April 19, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's my animated gif played backwards, if you like: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/hocking/tmp/transition2.gif
April 19, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why, oh why did I even have to make that awful picture you're using!
Here's an animated variation. Some would call it an evolution... and some would not.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/PF_Harlock/transition3.gif
April 19, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
And -
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm271/PF_Harlock/transition2.gif
April 19, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could either Bensburg or Allsben just go ahead and get it over with? That's right: I want to see a fractal avatar.
April 19, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope you don't mind what's at the link up there, DF. You just seemed like you were feeling left out.
April 19, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Soooooo disturbing, Bensberg.
April 19, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
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