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I have reached my whit's end on this campaign.

I first want to apologize for anyone else who has written about these issues, but I need to get some stuff off of my chest before I give up the "reading of blogs all day" to get back to the real world.

I was in love with the Clintons in the 1990s.  I wrote my history thesis at university on the unwarranted Clinton scandals.  I majored in political science at university because I wanted to go help Hillary become the first woman President of the United States of America.   I loved her "take-no-crap-from-anyone" "I'm not the stay at home and baking cookies mom type" of attitude in the 1992 campaign, and it kept me with her through her Senate race in 1999-2000.  With the election of The Gwoober that same year, I saw her as a hope in the darkness.

Then she voted for the War in Iraq and lost me completely.  I didn't have a tv, no internet, and was not a sitting US Senator with access to classified information, but even I knew this war was wrong.  I spoke out against it constantly, alienating lots of friends and acquaintances along the way, since we forget now that most of the country was for the war before they were against it. 

Once the shine is gone off your silver armor, all you ever see is the dull spot that lies beneath.

I started off this election season as a Edwards man; he was striking all the right notes ("Damn you, Corporate Overlords!, he would say with a smile in that beguiling southern accent"), and he had me from the start.  I wasn't into Obama at all then; he was inexperienced at governing, he had never run a real campaign, and he was a black man.  I just didn't see it happening for him.

I was wrong.  He won Iowa (that speech had me crying!), almost won New Hampshire, won more delegates in Nevada, and burned through South Carolina.  When Edwards dropped out, I gave Obama money, the first candidate for the first time ever.  I gave all I could ($10), but I knew he had millions of others giving too, I would give more later. 

I phone banked for him here in GA.  I talked to people all the time, on the street, on the train, in the store, at the mall, at the gym, at work, at the airport, EVERYWHERE, to get them to vote for this guy.  And they did, overwhelmingly here in Georgia. 

I could go into a long explanation of why I like Obama, but I don't want to take the time up with that.  In short, we all know the litany by now; he's a great speaker, Republicans and Independents dig him, the kids think he's alright and they are actually turning out to vote for him in droves, the crowds, the Race speech, his moral clarity, and his biting honesty are all what get me going for this guy.

The honesty bit is what inspired this post.  Obama said something honest last week, that Pennsylvanians (indeed all Americans) are bitter and turn to god, guns, and whatnot for solace when times are bad.  Really?  You don't say?  State the obvious much?  Read up on history have you?  I don't think that what he said was a big deal, I believe it.  I don't think it's elitist, I think its real.  80% of Americans agree with me too, as that same number thinks the country is on the wrong track.  How is this a scandal? 

Hillary, why are you persuing this?  We find out last week that the President has authorized torture, and you decide to focus not on him and his international law breaking, which is what transpired, but instead a very true sentiment?  You find out a couple of months ago that you can't win the nomination, so what do you do?  Not drop out, but suggest that private donors pay for new primaries in Michigan and Florida.  Are you a Republican now?  Since when is it alright for rich people to pay for elections?  How is this democratic or Democratic?  I read everywhere that you and Obama are engaged in a fight to the death for the nomination, but I see you engaged in a suicidal death spiral taking our hopes for the White House with you. 

I'm not a blogger.  If you check my website in my profile, you'll see
that I have a blog page, with 4 entries on it.  I work for a charity
that provides the poor with homes, I don't have time to write out my
opinions on stuff on the off-chance that someone might read it.  I'm
busy with real life.  But this stuff has gotten in my craw, and I'm
ANGRY!!!! You can't win like this.  You can't win a nomination for our Party on the back of every Republican point made about Democrats over the last 35 years.  Win by telling us how you are a better candidate and how you will be a better President than Senator Obama, not by dragging him through the mud with you.  By you engaging in this name calling Senator Clinton, you are destroying yourself in the eyes of your biggest defenders.  If you kill us off, who will defend you if you somehow won the Presidency?  How can you win the Presidency if all of the Republicans, most of the Independents, and over a third of Democrats despise you?

I'm ending this.  Not this long rant, but my association and my eyeballs on this campaign season.  It's been heartbreaking, like loosing a friend you thought you could count on.  I will not campaign for Hillary in the fall.  I don't see why I should; she is saying the same things an McCain, she now has people that I don't care for defending her, and I'm not a woman, so the whole Supreme Court argument with Roe v. Wade doesn't bother me.  I like John McCain, even though he is a conservative douche like all the rest, but at least he is funny.  Hillary used to be very funny, but now only in a bad way.Come back to us Hillary.  Take Richard Mellon Schaife off speed-dial and come back.


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I find a high correlation between avoiding TV and getting Iraq right. I was the same, because I was reading people like Seymour Hersh and Scott Ritter.

Could be something there. I have no TV either and back in 2002/2003 I thought invading Iraq was a really dumb idea (and nothing since then convinced me that I was wrong).

To the OP - it's probably fair to say that Hillary can win the nomination but only at the price of losing the party.

Scott Ritter deserves to be knighted, or whatever the hell we can do here, for his campaign against the war. Ritter had everything 100% right.

Excellent post, William -- all around excellent. Maybe you aren't a regular blogger (or even an occasional blogger by your count), but with this thoughtful and passionate post, you speak (and speak well) for many of us.

Excellent post.

I feel the way you do. I've turned off the tv news, I allow myself blog time and then I'm off the net. I spend time with my critters, my art, my work and doing things with the people in my life. My friends and I – we've all gotten to a place where we do not talk elections any more. It feels like we're weathering a bitter storm. (pun intended)

i'm not bitter!

William you won't have to campaign for Hillary in the fall because she won't win this nomination. Barack will, despite her distortions, her dirty punches, her evasions, her lies and her adoption of Republican smear tactics. She won't win because America is smarter than she thinks it is and it will not vote for her.

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William:

Your post really resonated with me. I too live in Georgia and have both donated $ and time to the Obama campaign ... I also supported the Clintons in the 90s -- I even took a group of at-risk kids from the Rec Center where I worked to hear President Clinton speak in Denver on MLK Day. It was 1995, smack dab on the heels of the "Contract With On America" Gingrich-led GOP landslide. As a young man at the time, I greatly admired Bill and also Al Gore -- I grew up with the mystique of the Kennedys ingrained in me (as well as the Red Sox) ... and Clinton seemed to have the same kind of aura.

I am saddened by this campaign. I admit that I have lost objectivity -- but I literally feel my gut sink whenever I see/hear Hillary Clinton. I understand it's not easy to see a dream come crashing down around you, something you've dedicated your life to -- it must be even harder knowing it was hers to lose. But I agree with Josh that she keeps sinking deeper and deeper into ridiculousness and self-parody.

I don't think it's long till the MSM tires of the tit-for-tat she's trying to lure Obama into -- and starts focusing on this very public and very sad felo de se.

SOH

Thank you.

That's all.

Count me in as one of those who used to support the Clintons. You and many others on here and elsewhere have summed up what causes the intense revulsion for the Clintons among a large segment of the Democrats. For her next Senate race, I'll donate money to her Democratic challenger.

Enjoyed your post. I'm feeling rather fatigued by this campaign, myself. I've never supported ClintonInc. I did not vote for Bill on either occasion. Quelle horreur! Needless to say, I did not vote for his carpetbagging wife when she ran for the Senate. And I most certainly will not cast a vote for her in November should she be the nominee. As far as politics go in this nation on the nod, I've gotten used to being in the wilderness. I enjoy it, actually.

But I've slowly come around to Obama. I do not know how much of a change he would accomplish as POTUS. The economic forces which determine the state of this world are largely out of a President''s control, but I wouldn't mind seeing him attempting to make a more human case for those areas where his influence would be significant. I just wish he'd win a major primary. Not a caucus, a primary. A win for Clinton in Penn. and another in Indiana, and suddenly it doesn't look too good for Obama.

Last year, I heard Newt Gingrich remark that if this country feels the need for therapy, Obama will be our next President. I believe this country would certainly benefit from some quality time on the couch, as it were. Perhaps, then, Obama has a chance.

I've stopped watching the idiot parade on the tube. With few exceptions, it's pretty dim out there. I get what information I need on the net. I'm not feeling too optimistic right now. I wish us all luck.


"I'm feeling rather fatigued by this campaign, myself."
Me too!

PS Is your avatar from "Crimson King?"

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Nice post. I disagree with it, but nice post.
Hindsight is a wonderous thing. But in regards to the war vote, you could not be a politician with national ambitions in 2002 and vote against the authorization for the use of force. I know that the najority of folks here don't agree with that, but if you look at the tenor of the country, months after Sept. 11, and voting against the war was nearly political suicide. The country supported the war in 2002. Maybe some people who are now vocal didn't but the country did.
Next, there seems to be a lot of animosity about Hillary wanting to win. I don't understand the resentment you seem to feel towards someone who is less than 10 percent behind with 13% of the contest remaining who wants to stay in the race.
If you're angry about the "negative" tone she hasd taken, ask yourself what should she say. there is no real difference in them substantially -- the difference is in the person running. Hillary beleives -- as do I -- that Obama gives the republicans the White House. He has shown himself to be a political roookie, with mistakes like Wright, like "clinging to ..." and Michelle's "proud" comments. (ask yourself, how many people who are middle of the road are comfortable with a First Lady who is only recently proud to be an amierican? You may be okay with it -- I may be okay with it. The majority of Americans won't be. And I beleive that he is in a trick box, because his campaign of unity limits his ability to fight back hard against attacks.
I caucused for Obama after Edwards dropped out, but his attitude and actions of the last three months have made me regret it. I'll vote for him and keep my fingers crossed. But I htink the resentment you feel towards Clinton is unjustified.

Thanks, William, for the thoughtful post. My sentiments exactly. Thanks, also, msa3, for the measured response. It's all well and good that HRC wants to win. I would too, if I were running. But I'd ask you this: I can tell you what Barack Obama (and his supporters) have done this election cycle to raise and redeem political discourse in this country--Obama's Philadelphia speech (and plenty of other instances where he spoke to Americans "like we were adults," to use Jon Stewart's term), the tens of thousands of new activists, the renewed hope for a 50-state strategy, for starters... Can you tell me what Hillary has done to raise the level of discourse and help give politics a good name during this long primary season?

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I would argue that Obama has not done a thing to actually elevate political discourse in the country, that we are no closer to a 50-state strategy and that the thousands of new activists are only a good thing if they are dediciated to the process of democracy and the good of the country, not to a single man. I think Obama gave a great speech, but has done nothing to build on it -- I don't see discussions of race as a part of his platform. I would argue that Obama's campaign has been the divisive element in this primary season and despite his claims of inclusion, he has done very little to include those beyond his core group of supporters.
And, more importantly, I don't care about elevating the level of discourse in politics. I want to win. I want the Justice Department back. I want the Energy Department back. I want to throw them out of office so far that they splash in the Potomac. That's what I'm looking for in this election -- not to elevate discourse.

...you could not be a politician with national ambitions in 2002 and vote against the authorization for the use of force. I know that the najority of folks here don't agree with that, but if you look at the tenor of the country, months after Sept. 11, and voting against the war was nearly political suicide.

Friend, choosing to authorize the wholesale destruction of human lives (there are fates worse than collateral damage) at the hands of the worlds mightiest killing machine in order to avoid "political suicide" is, quite frankly, despicable.

While I truly appreciate your honest assessment of Senator Clinton's motivations on the AUMF, you cannot tell me my resentment is unjustified.


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I understand your position. But the fact is that a) we did not KNOW that the results or the war would be and b) we did not KNOW that the Bush administration was lying about WMD. Neither did either Clinton, neither did Kerry or Edwards or any of the other politicians that voted for it. So, if there had been WMD, if the war had gone smoothly, the vote would not be the albatgross is is now.
Was that a justification for the war? Obviously not in your mind. But it was justification to the UN Security Council, a large majority of both houses of Congress and a majority of the American people.
I don't think it is fair to think of those votes in hindsight -- they were made in the moment that was 2002 -- when the NYT was still running obituaries of 9/11 victims.
You might find avoiding political suicide dispiacable, but politics often biols down to survive and advance. If you don't find yourself capable of making those kinds of choices - and if you don't feel your candidate is capapble of making those kinds of choices -- then both of you should stay out of the deep water. This is the price you pay to lead.

Congressional oversight means it is the duty of our elected officials to study the situation and be sure of their vote before taking the plunge! There was no reason even then to rush into war on Bush's timeframe, because inspectors were in Iraq and within weeks of finishing their job (i.e. certifying that Iraq was clean).

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think about what high regard you would hold Hillary in if she had opposed the war, and damn the political consequences.

but she didn't. politics as usual for her.

we need someone with principles in the white house.

You might find avoiding political suicide dispiacable, but politics often biols down to survive and advance. If you don't find yourself capable of making those kinds of choices - and if you don't feel your candidate is capapble of making those kinds of choices -- then both of you should stay out of the deep water. This is the price you pay to lead.

That's just too depressing to respond to.

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Why? Because it's not all rainbows?
People disagree with each other. We don't all think the same way.
So if you're going to shut down every time someone has to make a compromise in order to further what they see as the greater good, then there really isn't any hope for the country. If we all have to agree on the right thing -- if our leaders are not allowed to make adjustments to their own beleifs and strategies in order to get things done -- then you're right, that is to sad to respond to.
Governing requires that you take all factors into account, doesn't it? There are plenty of people who thought removing Huessein from power was justification enough for the war. There are plenty of people who think the occupation is justified. Do they get disreagrded -- do their opinions not count at all? Should they be discounted because they are not what the leader thinks? This is what we've had for eight years -- do we really want to do the same thing, jut have it go our way this time?

What people are you talking about? I don't know a single person who thinks the occupation is justified.

If they do indeed think that, then they haven't read the Constitution. The one that says Congress is in charge of starting and stopping wars.

Hillary made a politically-calculated move that went against the interests of the American people. If, as you say, everyone was for the war, then she should have been more cautious, not less. In the middle of a furor is the time when our leaders must keep their heads.

At the end of the day, Hillary should have voted for the Levin Amendment to the authorization, at a minimum, and required the president to come back and make a case of why what the inspectors found justified us going to war without the UN behind us.

She voted against that amendment.

No matter which way you parse it, Hillary is guilty of gross negligence at the very least. Not a trait I want in the next president, succumbing to peer pressure and polls.

Kind of like the shot of whiskey she downed after initially saying no thanks. She can't even stand her ground in a bar in Pennsylvania. What makes you think she'll stand her ground anywhere else?

those must be the poor saps who believe what they see on TV -- the smirking chimps doing their propaganda routines ...

plenty of people like that need leaders with wisdom to show them the way forward that will serve their true interests and needs, even if they can't manage to make that out themselves on their own ...

the whole world actually got it right ... hardly anyone else in the world supported the insanity those too easily frightened fools swallowed ...

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Things ot note:

Hillary is finished.
She might try to come back in 2012 or 2016.

Let's not let that happen!
ABC = Anyone But Clinton

She's finished forever!


"She's finished forever!"

Her chickens are coming home to roost... well deserved. She disgusts me in the same way GWB and Cheney do. I look forward to the day, she goes away......for a very long time. I think she needs an intensive psychological evaluation.


William C.:

Great post that resonates with exactly how I'm feeling - I just don't think I can remain glued to the blogs and news cycles on this campaign anymore.

I think I have to check out until some of the dust (and my stomach for all of this) settles.

I was for Hillary until Iowa when Obama proved he was, not merely an inspiring figure, but actually running a better overall operation than people realized.

The debates last year were key too. It was very important when Obama began improving his debate performances.

The rest is the story of watching Hillary's tactics go increasingly down the gutter with my respect for her (my Senator).

It is tragic that potentially major intra-party problems now loom for either Obama or Hillary as nominee.

I think the best one can hope for at this point is that Obama will have a chance to turn a fresh page after this primary mess gets settled.

At least that's when I would like to tune back in.

Y'all ain't going no damn place! Stop BS'n.

It's totally appropriate to be disenchanted with Hillary Clinton. Her campaign has descended to a pathetic nadir.

But those of you who claim to be "tired of this", I'll bet my last pocket change that you'll check this website tomorrow to see what the headlines are.

In fact, my rent money's on the table for that bet.

Obama '08

Bionic;
I check this site even when there isn't a campaign going on, so that bet was a safe one.

But I am sincerely growing weary of the vitriole and desperaton between such close degrees on the political thermometer...

Unfortunately, when you reach this point, there's not much left to argue over other than character. And since that is such a matter of personal preferance, it just gets tedious hearing so much opinion stated as fact.

that being said, let me add..
Obama 08!

I agree with BionicSoy - no one is going anywhere. Especially those Barack supporters who are the most eloquent and passionate in his defense, like this blogger.

Unlike William, I was a complete political atheist during the 1990s, serving in Bill Clinton's Navy, but that was the extent of the relationship.

Then came 2000 and 2004. All of a sudden, not paying attention to politics seemed to be the equivalent of not paying attention to the shark chomping on your leg. Not a very good idea in either case.

The ONLY way we are going to take this country back is to stay positive, persistent, focused and, above all, right. America is ready for the truth, as bumpy as the ride has been so far. It takes a little turmoil to throw off 40 years of Orwellian trickery.

Keep blogging as much as you are able, William. We need voices like yours to bring people into the fold who may not be sure anymore about Hillary, but can't quite come over to Obama because supposedly his supporters are all raving lunatics soliciting change at the airport with tambourines.

I am sure that my own long-standing biases toward the Clintons and their so-called democratic ideals makes me a little less credible in my defense of Barack, though I try to keep my tone even and reasonable since I started posting under my own name.

However, there is nothing as authentic and believable as someone who was a Hillary True Believer who was able to make an objective and fact-based reversal of their opinion.

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hang in there, it will get better.

"I'm feeling rather fatigued by this campaign, myself."
Me too!

PS Is your avatar from "Crimson King?"

A beautiful, passionate, thoughtful post - thank you.

I've gone through a various similar process of Clinton to Edwards to Obama - with the same timing and for the same reasons.

The only place you lost me was with "I like John McCain". Every other emotion you express matches mine, but I have a deep, visceral hatred for McCain since 2004 that's grown by the day. Not sure why he affects me so differently when my emotional reactions to the other 3 match yours spot on.

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I, too, never get news from the television, and I, too, was never fooled by the Iraq propaganda back in '02. And like you, William, I lost a lot of friends when I made a hard turn left politically because nobody in power had the cojones (with the exception of Al Gore, Russ Feingold and a few other true mavericks, including a young state senator from Illinois) to speak out against the insanity.

What exactly was Hillary's excuse? She knew too much? Knew too little? Was overwhelmed by all the intelligence she never bothered to read.

People say it was easy for Obama to make that speech in urban Chicago in front of a bunch of liberal white attendees. But I think it was an incredibly brave and gutsy thing to do for a guy who had White House ambitions since kindergarten.

I keep telling myself to calm down, that if Hillary somehow wins the nomination, I must still support her in November lest John McCain win and prolong the insanity. But as a registered Independent who switched party affiliation just so I could vote for Barack Obama here in the PA primary, I'm going to need serious therapy before I can ever pull the lever for HRC.

I always defended her too (although I was never a big fan) and gave her candidacy serious consideration, in spite of her War vote, but she has seriously pissed me off the last several months.

Woe to you, Hillary. You reap what you sow, and you've been sowing a lot of divisiveness and contempt for your fellow Democrats.


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TV News is an oxymoron. I watch TV, but never for to keep up with the news. Video clips with a few sound bites is not news. The networks evening news are the worst of all. They are just a few tattered video rags used as space fillers between too many "ask your doctor" if you can write your own prescription for our very costly panacea to your mortality, con-mercials.

"PS Is your avatar from "Crimson King?"

Yes. That strange and hellish visage is a concise indicator of my mood, generally.

21st century schizoid man?

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I like everything about your post, William, except the part about not caring about abortion rights because you are not a woman.

Pretty narrow-minded and self-focused, don't you think? Do you have any concern for any rights of others that do not have a direct bearing on YOU? For instance, would you not care about education funding if you didn't have children? Would you not care about separation of church and state if your particular religious sect was selected to run the government?

Please, William.

For those who can't stand the rain of feces, well... Welcome to politics!

I sympathize. But so far this has been a more exciting and interesting time than with Kerry/Bush. Keep fighting, but take a breath now and then, and learn to enjoy the drama/glory/absurdist nightmare.

Then she voted for the War in Iraq and lost me completely.

When people make comments like this, I always wonder: who did you vote for in 2004?

The fact that so many of the people taking a hard-line on Clinton's vote happily voted for John Kerry in 2004 makes me think that Iraq war vote is more of an excuse people use to put a logical face on their irrational hatred of Hillary than it is a serious reason for their opposition to her.

hatred of Hillary has to be irrational? I don't think so! besides, many of us don't actually hate her so much as what she'd do to us and the world if she got the chance (if only to avoid political suicide she'd probly pretend to reason) ...

How else could we vote against the smirking chimp in 2004? that doesn't mean we were happy about it!

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This is a post so many relate to. Turning off the Tv was pretty easy with all the drivel, but ignoring TPM, just can't do that. Apparently I'm not the only one who wakes from a bad dream & Clicks on to make sure it wasn't true.

It all started in 2000, been outraged ever since, even more so in 2004.We were uplifted in 2006,but it now seems one candidate might be hurting our chances in 2008.Who wouldn't feel they've been drug through a knot hole? Talk about people voting against their own interests, what about a candidate using the other party talking points & tactics? Isn't that close to an unforgivable sin?

The bottomline is still it will take all of us & it is becoming harder the longer this keeps up. Please, please let it end before the bitterness makes that impossible.

If you feel that John McCain is funny in a good way you might be clinically depressed and in danger of doing harm to yourself and others. You like him? You are flirting with suicide already!

But any man who doesn't care about Roe v Wade because it doesn't affect him (he thinks), has to be dead in the empathy dept.

You are one selfish and sorry sort of guy who needs a long rest and rehab.

and, as far as i'm concerned, Hillary can keep going where she's headed until she disappears entirely and can't do any more harm ...

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