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Ten Activities of the Clinton Foundation

This post is 100% snark-free. There has been a lot of discussion about the Clinton Foundation and some speculation that it is a tax shelter or its motives are otherwise impure. I felt it was important to defend the truly remarkable work it is doing. The foundation is one of the key sponsors (along with Bill and Melinda Gates) of programs in developing countries designed to address AIDS, health, and poverty. Here's some of their projects:

 10) Under HIV/AIDS Initiative, dedicated $38 million to 3-year program in Kenya ensuring children get AIDS treatment.

 9) Brokered agreement with drug companies for discounted AIDS drugs for African countries. Partnered with pharmaceutical companies to reduce the costs of HIV testing for infants in sub-Saharan Africa. Organized 66 countries in a consortium to purchase AIDS drugs and diagnostic equipment at reduced prices.

 8) Launched pilot program in Tanzania to make malaria drugs more available in poor regions of Africa. Made drugs available at a 90% cost reduction, provide patients with information on use of and obtaining the drugs, train local pharmacy employees on diagnosing and treating malaria. The hope is to roll out this program all over Africa if it is successful.

 7) Under Rural Initiative, launched program to train and deploy doctors who will serve three year fellowships in rural areas of Tanzania, Mozambique, and Rwanda.

 6) Formed Clinton Hunter Development Initiative, a 10 year, $100 million program to lift African nations out of poverty. Focus is on encouraging sustainable food sources, building sanitation, and providing clean water.

 5) Under CHDI, partnered with Partners in Health to build a hospital in rural area of Malawi. Built sanitation and water supply for hospital and neighboring village. Renovated local hospital in Rwanda, built sanitation and water for them.

 4) CHDI helped farmers in Rwanda buy fertilizer at a significantly lowered cost. Their goal is to help farmers gain access to advanced technologies and to improve their chances at trade by, among other things, fixing roads, building storage facilities, investing in plants.

 3) Formed $100 million dollar Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative to address poverty in Latin America.

 2) Formed Clinton Climate Initiative to fight global warming. Announced $5 billion program to help major cities worldwide green their buildings. Organizing major cities into a purchasing group to bargain for lower energy costs.

 1) With GHW Bush, formed Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund, which has raised over $150 million for rebuilding New Orleans. Has also fundraised for the Tsunami and the California Wildfires. 

 There are certainly questions about the transparency of the foundation, and that story in the NYTimes about the Kazakhstan deal was about Giustra of the Latin American initiative. The nexus of favors/donors is a complicated one. I, personally, don't care. When Bill Clinton dies, he will have left the world a far better place—outside of anything that happened in his presidency. Any one of his programs is world-changing, and there are hundreds. So, as Bill Clinton blusters his way through the campaign trail, remember before all of this started he's had a truly incredible ex-presidency. He's using his connections, influence, intelligence, and negotiating skills to do real, profound good. 

 So, let's finish up this campaign so he can go back to doing it.



Comments (57)

I applaud his international efforts. Maybe now he can dedicate some cash to help out the millions of Americans caught in the TANF quagmire.

"The nexus of favors/donors is a complicated one. I, personally, don't care."

Fair enough, but that doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't care, especially about the lack of transparency that you acknowledge.

I, personally, want to know which special interests and foreign donors give our future president's spouse very large donations. We know that these efforts to curry favor can cause problems in the future, just as they have in the past with both small things like Pres. Clinton's pardons and large things like his generally industry friendly policies, including NAFTA and trade issues generally, repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, etc.

Thanks Anne Eliz! I hope lots of TPM bloggers here read the info you've provided.

Great post. =)

This morning on Meet The Press, Tim Russert tried to make an issue of the identity of the contributors to the Clinton Foundation and Ed Rendell shut him down by pointing out that the foundation's work is above reproach. If Rendell had had this list, Russert's embarrassment would have been even more complete. Thanks for taking the time to provide information we don't often see about who is really benefiting from the foundation's work. That the Clintons have had to defend themselves from charges of racism during this campaign is painfully ironic.

Scary avatar again!

Just as a point of clarification, the Clinton foundation referred to in the income tax discussion is the Clinton Family Foundation. That's where the Clinton's made their charitable donations. They are the only contributors, and they direct all its activities. They've contributed about $10 mil to it, and as of the end of 2006, they'd distributed about half that.

What you're talking about is the William J. Clinton Foundation. The Clintons haven't actually put any of their own money into the WJC foundation. That's not a criticism, just an observation. The WJC Foundation has does some amazing things.

Anyway, I just wanted to be clear that there are two separate foundations, and it's important to distinguish between them in discussions.

Information and tax returns about both foundations can be found at foundationcenter.org.

Oh, I didn't know that. Thank you for clarifying. It makes sense, though--you give your money to the family foundation, then direct giving from there. I'm curious where the family money goes and will check it out (just for curiosity's sake) I wish we were able to do that. Still gotta buy that Powerball ticket...

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The tax returns for both foundations can also be found at guidestar.org.

Except, the ones for 2006, due in May 2007, aren't there.

It's possible that they've been filed with the IRS, but not scanned and posted at guidestar.

If that's what's up, then anyone who wants to ask the foundation directly is entitled to get a copy of the form.

What's cool about guidestar is that you can learn about the nonprofit without asking their staff to do anything at all to give you access. If you adore the foundation, you aren't taking a minute out of their work. If you're feeling less friendly, you aren't giving them a heads up that you're curious about their tax-free work.

Except, if you want to know what the Clinton foundations did in 2006, you do have to intrude.

guidestar reports usually lag a year or two behind the most current reporting year -- this is true for many, many foundations on the site. i expect it's simply due to waiting for the IRS to clear the forms post tax-season, and the overwhelming task of scanning in the IRS forms and then uploading them. there's no cause to think it's nefarious.

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Well, I hope that all those claims are true for the sake of the poor people. Who verifies those claims. After all, the Clintons have been known to embellish a wee bit, once or twice, or......

They are true, Liam. I know someone working on AIDS issues in Africa and the Clinton Foundation has been nothing short of a miracle.

Okay, I looked it up for fun...
2006
Mikva Challenge (Organization of Frm Clinton White House Counsel) sponsors programs to involve kids about democracy 3300

Wellstone Action 5000
American Nurses Foundation 35,000
Shakespeare Theater Company 20,000
School of american Ballet 40,000
Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund 75,000
Friends of the Fountain Fund 500 (Maintains a fountain in Colo. springs!)
Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund 25,000
Pulaski Heights Baptist Church (AR) 5000
Central Ark Library System 25,000
National Bureau of Asian Research 25,000
Clinton Birthplace Foundation 10K
Univ of Arkansas Foundation 5K
Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS 5K
Georgetown U 25K
Immanueal Baptist Church (AR) 50K
WVU Foundation/Trauma Center 5K
WAMU 5K
Wellesley 35K
WYNC 5K
Yale 25K
University of Ark (Clinton School) 75K
Thea Foundation --a Little Rock organization devoted to arts advocacy for youth. Funds scholarships 75K
Vital Voices Global Partnership (microfinance for women in developing countries) 25K
Columbine Memorial Fund 50K
Pediatric Cardiac CEnter for Africa 30K

Okay, there's like two more pages. Cancer research, educational institutions,scholarships, churches (including a bunch to that hotbed of hatred, the UCC), Chappaqua stuff, other foundations. In other words, they are giving plenty, and giving to the Family Foundation and then distributing it is just the way they're doing it.

Great post! Thnx.

When Bill Clinton dies, he will have left the world a far better place—outside of anything that happened in his presidency.

So true!

I doubt the current WH occupants (Dumbya and Dick) will ever achieve anything close to this level of involvement for the good of the world, when they leave the WH.

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Thx for the info.

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It's good, obviously, although I think Clinton has made a showy effort to outdo Carter.

But Carter sometimes rides commercial airplanes and has avoided million dollar speaking fees.

The obscene wealth of the Clintons, along with pocketing $5 million for a book on "Giving" does tarnish the good work somewhat.

The proof will be when Hillary loses, does Bill stop all of this or not. If his efforts decrease, we can be sure it was a PR effort for her campaign.

They have a bird called a grackle in Texas. Doesn't build it's own nest. Just craps in some other bird's nest until the other bird can't stand the filth anymore and moves on. Then the grackle occupies the other bird's nest, sitting there in its own filth. But it doesn't mind.

Nice work, AnneEliz.

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I have to disagree.

The tax returns for 2006 were due May 2007, or August if they filed for the standard extension.

Many 2006 forms filed in August 2007 were on Guidestar in September and October 2007: that's when I did my most recent round of analysis of other nonprofits.

The additional six months of delay on politically interesting returns is grounds for legitimate curiousity.

The work that the Clinton Foundation is doing in Africa, Latin America and New Orleans is wonderful. I'm really glad the Clintons are sponsoring this work.

Hopefully, once this campaign is over, Sen. Clinton will have more time to devote to this commendable work. And Sen. Obama can concentrate on the general election.

Are the William J. Clinton Foundation and the Clinton "Family Foundation" the same thing? I'm not sure they are, and it's the William J. Clinton Foundation that's involved with Africa, AIDS, etc.

No, you're right, Anna. I made a mistake. Scroll up for discussion of the family foundation.

Thanks for reminding me why I had some regard for Mr. Clinton before this thing got messy.

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Billy Glad,
Further up the post you lament the fact that the Clintons have had to defend themselves against the accusation of racism. I agree. It strains reason to suggest that they are racists as does the cynicism that renders the Foundation work in Africa a political ploy to help get Hillary Clinton elected.

Accusing the Clintons of being racists is different, though, than saying that the Clinton campaign has sometimes played along with, or into, or played up racist sentiments among voters. I am thinking here, especially, of the very early, post-Iowa, deployment of Clinton supporters (Cuomo, Johnson, for instance).

It is my admiration for the Clintons work in Africa and domestically that makes the campaign's manipulation of racism so hard to bear.

Do you disagree that the campaign has sometimes played upon racism?


Yes, I do. I believe their attack on Obama over the Reverend Wright is an attack on Obama's perception of the world, his loyalties, judgement, attitude toward America and readiness to rise to the defense of the dominant culture, which right now includes a high level of nationalism and "patriotism." As I've said elsewhere, I think it was the Obama campaign that changed the subject to "race," something they have done since New Hampshire.

Bob Johnson is a good example of a cultural attack that has been perceived as racial. I believe Johnson's remarks were made to a largely black audience and aimed particularly at older black women. The stereotypes Johnson invoked were part of their everyday experience. Johnson failed to realize that Obama's white Progressive and student base was listening, too.

The Clintons left the White House with substantial legal debts. Where did the money for these foundations really come from?

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The old fashioned way - they earned it.

Wow!

Amazing that these people can't figure out that $300K speaking fees add up. Math is tough.

Strangely, Billy, I find this one LESS scary.

Because you recognize it maybe. Like the Clinton bashing. Once you recognize the pattern, it's less troubling. By the way, I love what dijamo is doing. The next time someone attacks me, I want dijamo to defend me. I'm going to say get off me or I'm calling dijamo. Dijamo is kicking ass this morning.

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They do do admirable work, but they do invest money, that is the whole point of the Foundation, and who gets that money (for example, who gets the big contract for handling fertilizer or pharmaceuticals, etc) and why is important. I'm not saying they have done this, but how these things work at times is that someone donates to them directly or helps them politically in some way, and then they get a large grant from the Foundation later on.

So I do agree that the Foundation does great things, but it isn't beyond being usable for political reasons. That's just the nature of these agreements.

Thanks! And it is important to note that these are the forgotten charities when natural disasters happen like Hurricane Katrina or the Tsunami, there is a worldwide outpouring of giving. Most people have a limited budget for giving so if they give to the Red Cross, they are unable to give (or give less) to charities they normally contribute to. This doesn't take into account the Clinton Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative and the individual charitable giving campaign for the Tsunami & Katrina disasters.

But rather then giving the man credit, many are just looking to criticize good works.

here's the thing - if you make 80 million on books and speeches alone, chances are being in the position for anyone to influence your policy positions with a donation is very very limited. As opposed to the very real possible influence with the Rezko deal where the plot of property was sold to the Obamas under very shady circumstances and Rezko was clearly trying to curry favor with him.

Bottom line is the Obama campaign was clamoring for these tax returns and it showed people that 1. the Clintons are rich (no duh) 2. They became rich the old fashioned way - they earned it 3. They have done much good work not only with their money but more importantly with their influence - living by example and encouraging other donors to give as well.

The Clinton's tax return just sheds more light on the Obamas charity in speech but not in action.

This I can't support. The Obamas' charity is just fine. Both couples do good work, and I can't stand to hear people criticized for charity. And I'm sure once President Obama is done with his 8 years in office, his foundation will be awesome, too.

I disagree - if you are in the top 2% of household incomes (200,000) and giving to charity less than 1.5% to charity vs. the national average of 2.2%, I don't see how that is very charitable at all.

The Obama campaign opened themselves up to this criticism when they were clamoring for Hillary's returns hoping to find any dirt possible, or remind people that she and her husband are rich. It invites a fair comparison of the Clinton vs Obama giving history. And since the Clinton's tax returns go all the way back to 1980, you can see that consistently they have given around 10% of their income - even when Bill was making $35K as Arkansas givernor and Hillary was making the majority of the money at Rose Law firm.

If you are calling people to ask for $25, $50 donations - middle class people possibly making 1/4th of your income at the time of these charity contributions, it begs the question did you answer the call when the United Way and Red Cross came knocking? The tax returns indicate not.

If the King of Transparency is so open, why has he not addressed his charity in speech and words and not inactions (until he became a senator).

The moral of the story is those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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He had a stack of student loans to pay off. He started his career making damn near nothing. He made money on his books and that's it.

I'm not buying this as a reason for not voting for Obama. I think you're looking for a reason.

After looking at his tax returns, I didn't see any indication of student loan interest to arrive at his Adjusted Gross Income. Odd. One would assume that if you are scraping by to make a living on 250,000 a year with massive student loans, you would remember to deduct student loan interest.

Or the Obama campaign could just have been lying when they made that claim. Interesting - maybe someone should take a look at that, rather than criticizing Hillary & Bill for their charitable works.

dijamo,

It's not at all clear what Bill Clinton did to earn millions of dollars from his partnerships with developer/billionaire Ron Burkle. The likely answer is not much. He's also gotten huge donations to his Library and the Clinton Foundation from the Saudis and other foreign governments.

Those are much more significant relationships and amounts of money than anything remotely related to any of the other candidates in the race, so you really shouldn't be throwing stones here.

Burkle is also clearly someone who is interested in currying favor. Same with the Saudis, Vinod Gupta of InfoUSA, and others.

In 2007, Bill Clinton made about $10 million giving speeches. It seems that words do matter sometimes, for some things.

Bill has joined his predecessors Ford, Reagan, and GHW Bush in cashing in on the presidency. The only former president I have any respect for is Jimmy Carter. He has helped to house and feed people. You would think that those who had their own housing in a mansion and the finest meals -- always free -- might feel an obligation to the American public who paid for these benefits.

And please don't discuss charities. That's just a small fraction of disposable income.

I could never understood why wealthy people kept so much of their money (as opposed to earning it -- I understand competitiveness). Like, how much does it cost to live in the finest style? Certainly not hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. We all admire Bill Gates for donating so much money (which he only started after marrying Melinda). Bill Gates could have given away 90% of his wealth and still made the Fortune top twenty richest people in America. He would still have been a billionaire if he gave away 98% of his wealth.

Thanks for the list... it is a good reminder of some of the valuable work being done by the William J Clinton Foundation.

I've seen their work on the ground in a number of African countries where I've worked with NGOs. They truly have done extremely valuable work in increasing access to treatment for people living with HIV, negotiating lower prices for generic drug availability, and helping to build health infrastructure. They are savings lives and deserve a great deal of credit for all they do. The list being offered is a good indication of some of that work. Bill Clinton has accomplished a great deal through his foundation since leaving the WH.

It is ridiculous to claim that these activities have simply been part of a cynical effort to bolster his wife's candidacy... that is clearly not the motivation for this important work.

That said, I want to offer a couple of (honestly and completely) non-snarky critiques of the HIV/AIDS work of the foundation based on my familiarity with their work.

First, when looking at the motivation, it is important to remember how unimpressive President Clinton's AIDS record was while in office. Despite great pressure from domestic and global activists, the Clinton administration utterly failed to offer a bold effort to scale up US responses to the global AIDS epidemic -- spending in this area didn't rise significantly until Bush launched his PEPFAR (Presidential Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief - the only good thing Bush has done, despite many problems with the program itself).

The Clinton administration stood on the side of big pharmaceutical companies on trade/ intellectual property issues that would have made drugs more available to poor countries. I personally had discussions with senior administration officials who argued that it was unrealistic to think that it would ever be possible to make HIV treatments available to Africa. Clinton himself has admitted that he failed to take leadership on AIDS issues (such as needle exchange, prevention issues, global funding, treatment access, fighting stigma/discrimination, etc) while he was president.

Many cynics believe that his work through the foundation is his way of trying to make up for his failures as president on these issues... a way of redeeming his legacy and not letting George W Bush show him up on AIDS. I personally don't care what his motivations are - I'm simply glad that he is doing it - but it is important to remember that his presidential record on AIDS was less than stellar in many areas -- when he failed to use the tremendous power that he had a president to advance many of the goals he now works so hard on at his foundation.

The second point is to raise a criticism of the Foundation's work that I frequently hear from AIDS workers and activists on the ground in the countries where the foundation works. Many of these folks feel frozen out of the Foundation's work, that a heavily top-down approach by the foundation means that they do not engage the communities they work in. As a result, too often the Foundation seems disconnected from the places they work, unaware of the realities of local needs, and failing to learn valuable lessons from front-line community workers, activists, and people living with HIV/AIDS. This top down/ elitist approach has created no small amount of grumbling and resentment among people who should be allies and advocates for the Foundation's work. (I could also cite a number of Foundation projects that work hard to overcome this issues).

None of this is meant to take away from the good work of Bill Clinton's foundation, nor to reflect in any way on his wife's candidacy. Nor do I have any insights into the ways in which the Foundation has been funded and any ethical considerations there. He has become an important player on these issues in the years out of the White House - something those of us working in the field heartily welcome.

Very interesting, thanks. So many challenges involved in this work.

Very interesting, thanks. So many challenges involved in this work.

This is very interesting.. I believe, too, that Bill is trying to make up for some of the things that happened during his presidency. And, again, I don't really care what his motivations are, given the work that's being done.

My friend in Africa is in an organization that is trying to be bottom-up in its efforts, and is very sensitive to the criticisms of NGOs. It's a difficult problem, and one I hope they figure out.

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Clinton's foundation is a wonderful thing. I'm unsure why the Clintons need to be in the White House again, after serving there for the full 8 years. I don't understand why Bill is not satisfied with the great good he is doing through this remarkable foundation. The petty ambition of the presidential run has always bothered me.

I don't think people are suggesting this is a money laundering scheme. However, favor can be curried through donations that can affect the decisions of a potential President Hillary Clinton. That is the abuse that must be looked at. No one should seriously consider Hillary for president until the public knows who the donors are to the library and the foundation.

After tearing the Democratic apart in the early '90's and virtually turning the country over to Bush in 2000 because of Monica, the Clintons should be happy to do the good works of the foundation and not expect a coronation for a third term at the White House.

Wow! A late entry. I had totally forgotten you were around. Catch you next time, 57andFemale.

It was only a matter of time until the grackles moved in to crap on this fine post. I guess it took a day for grackle central to get the talking points posted.

I've considered awarding the first Greta Grackle award to either goldspinner, exerjis, terje. luxveritas or observor2. Was hard to decide. I even considered a group award to display in the echo chamber.

However, I believe only terje displayed the slickness of a professional snark. The others were fairly amateurish in comparison.

So here it is, terje. The first Greta Grackle award for crapping on positive information about the Clintons.

(The Greta Grackle is a life-like 4" tall molded plastic Grackle available exclusively from Billy Glad and Oriental Trading Company. The supply is limited.)

Ahh, the Black Bird.

The Fatman: I distrust a closed-mouth man. He generally picks the wrong time to talk and says the wrong things. Talking's something you can't do judiciously, unless you keep in practice.
Now, sir. We'll talk, if you like. I'll tell you right out, I am a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk.

Spade: Swell. Will we talk about the black bird?

Guess what - my mom was a single mother raising 2 girls in a catholic School making $45K - we still gave $10 a week to the Church and she gave to other charities as well.

The AVERAGE American family making less than 1/4th of the Obamas gives 2.2% and has to pay off student loans, raise children, pay for their mortgages etc. And if Obama had student loans to pay off, then he can indicate that - but given that he went to Harvard Law where they have loan forgiveness programs for public interest work, I'd be interested to see how much loans he really had. If that's the "excuse," show the goods. I'm not buying it.

From 2000 - 2004, they gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities. That's less than 1 penny on every dollar they earned. Talk about "change" you can believe in.

And I apologize for overlooking you ohiomeister. I guess I'm going to have to order more grackles.

Thanks for the compliment, Billy-boy! Here's some guano aimed at your head:

Clinton Library Got Funds From Abroad
Saudis Said to Have Given $10 Million

By John Solomon and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, December 15, 2007; A03

Bill Clinton's presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.

The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in Little Rock about $10 million, roughly the same amount it gave toward the presidential library of George H.W. Bush, according to people directly familiar with the contributions.

The presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has for months faced questions about the source of the money for her husband's presidential library. During a September debate, moderator Tim Russert asked the senator whether her husband would release a donor list. Clinton said she was sure her husband would "be happy to consider that," though the former president later declined to provide a list of donors.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has made an issue of the large yet unidentified contributors to presidential libraries, saying that he wants to avoid even the appearance of impropriety in such donations. Obama has introduced legislation that would require disclosure of all contributions to presidential libraries, including Clinton's, and Congress has actively debated such a proposal. Unlike campaign donations, money given to presidential libraries is often done with limited or no disclosure.

The Clinton library has steadfastly declined to reveal its donors, saying they were promised confidentiality. The William J. Clinton Foundation, which funds the library, is considered a charity whose contributors can remain anonymous.

In response to questions from The Washington Post, the foundation reiterated that it would not discuss specific sizes or sources of donations to honor the commitment it made to donors. But it acknowledged that some of the money Clinton received from the library came from foreign sources.

"As president, he was beloved around the world, so it should come as no surprise that there has been an outpouring of financial support from around the world to sustain his post-presidential work," a foundation statement said.

Bill Clinton has solicited donations for the library personally, aides said, but he also delegated much of the fundraising to others, especially Terence R. McAuliffe, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee and the chairman of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. The foundation statement stressed that he has turned over the facility to taxpayers, as other former presidents have.

A handful of major donors' names to the Clinton library were disclosed in 2004 when a New York Sun reporter accessed a public computer terminal at the library that provided a list of donors. Soon after the article appeared, the list of donors was removed.

The amount of the contribution from Saudi Arabia and several other countries, as well as the percentage of the total given by foreigners, had not been revealed.

The Post confirmed numerous seven-figure donors to the library through interviews and tax records of foundations. Several foreign governments gave at least $1 million, including the Middle Eastern nations of Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, as well as the governments of Taiwan and Brunei.

In addition, a handful of Middle Eastern business executives and officials also gave at least $1 million each, according to the interviews. They include Saudi businessmen Abdullah al-Dabbagh, Nasser al-Rashid and Walid Juffali, as well as Issam Fares, a U.S. citizen who previously served as deputy prime minister of Lebanon.

Spokesmen for Kuwait and Taiwan confirmed that each government has given the library $1 million. Both governments also donated to other presidential libraries. Kuwait contributed at least $1 million to the library of former president George H.W. Bush, and Taiwan gave $2 million to the Ronald Reagan library.

Calls to the other governments were not returned, and the Middle Eastern individuals could not be located for comment.

Jack Kuei, a press officer for Taiwan in Washington, said his government's donation "is a way to promote a mutual understanding and it's a kind of public diplomacy." Kuwaiti counselor Jasem Albudaiwi called his nation's contribution "a friendly donation from the people and the government of Kuwait to the cause of the library."

The Reagan library does not disclose its donors, a spokeswoman said. The Bush and Jimmy Carter libraries have made a very broad disclosure. Except for a few donors who asked to remain anonymous, the Bush contributors have been named publicly, and the names of the largest among them are either chiseled into a wall or onto the bricks of a walkway at the library in Texas. The Carter library also has a wall of founders.

Bush's large foreign donors include Kuwait, Japan, Oman and the United Arab Emirates. The family of Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi ambassador to the United States, contributed $1 million or more. Carter's donors include the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia.

Clinton has been criticized for asking for donations, including from Saudi Arabia, at questionable moments. In an op-ed column in the Wall Street Journal last year, former FBI director Louis J. Freeh said Clinton "hit up [Saudi Arabia's head of state] Prince Abdullah for a contribution to his library" during a meeting in which Freeh wanted Clinton to ask about the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing. Clinton has publicly disputed Freeh's account.

Clinton has also been challenged by members of Congress for accepting a reported $450,000 donation to his library from the former wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich before he granted Rich a pardon for tax evasion in 2001. Neither Clinton nor the Rich family confirmed the donation.

The Clinton Foundation was formed in 1997 soon after Clinton chose its 30-acre site near downtown Little Rock. The foundation not only helps to run the library, but it also oversees and finances Clinton's many policy initiatives.

The library is an imposing glass and metal structure overlooking the Arkansas River. Also on its landscaped grounds is the University of Arkansas Clinton School of Public Service.

The Clinton library has also received large donations from Americans and American entities. The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable Trust has pledged $4 million, a person familiar with the gift said. The Wasserman Foundation of Los Angeles has given between $6 million and $7 million. Casey Wasserman, the foundation's president, has long been close to Bill Clinton.

The "likely" answer is that you are just speculating. They are associates with no indication or allegation of impropriety or wrongdoing.

If Hillary is elected, Bill will have to give up his partnerships much as Hillary gave up her legal practice upon becoming first lady.

And as for allegations of associations as indicated on their tax returns, let's do the same scrutiny with the Obamas shall we:

Michelle Obama earned $12,000 in 2005 and $51,200 for serving as a director at Treehouse Foods Inc., a supplier for Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (Funny wasn't this the same guy hammering Hillary for Walmart ties?) The couple earned $2,072 in 2005 from selling 3,400 shares in Avi Biopharma Inc., a Portland, Oregon- based drug company that was working on a treatment for avian flu.

They claimed a loss of $15,208 on the sale of 2,500 shares of Skyterra Communications Inc., a Reston, Virginia-based satellite communications company. The company's major investors included four friends and donors who raised more than $150,000 for his campaign committees, the New York Times reported a year ago.

And on a separte note, a closer look at the Obama tax returns does not indicate any deduction for student loan interest. Does anyone have proof of the alleged massivie student loan debt that prevented charitable giving?

Student loan interest deductions are phased out at upper income levels. In 2007, you could not take the deduction with married filing joint income of more than $140,000. That amount was lower in earlier years.

So the Obamas would not have qualified for the student loan interest deduction, so there would be no reason to include it on the return.

Thanks for the clarification on the phase out of student loan interest - I was't aware of that seeing as I am not in the top 2% of household incomes. But it still goes to the reason there is a phase out on student loan interest based on income - the more you earn the less onerous the repayment is. By my calculations, a couple making over $200,000 (minus 30% taxes to be generous) is about $12,000 a month take home pay. I fail to believe that student loans are so onerous that you are only able to give 0.4% ($1,000) of your income to charity. The Obamas were by no means scraping by.

In addition, both Obamas were exceptional students from middle class families attending Ivy League schools where most students get merit and need based tuition assistance. If the campaign is saying student loans were so onerous, they should be able to demonstrate that publicly. The Obama campaign should have no problem with that since they are so pro-transparency. But instead the Obamas just fail to answer the question directly.

That's a strong entry Goldspinner. Maybe I judged too soon. But you can't game this competition by flattering me. I'm an impartial judge. Study terje's post and you'll see how it's done. He is reluctantly forced to conclude that the Clintons are worthless. You have yet to master the subtle art of being forced to conclude.

To heck with parsing; this ain't a moot court competition. The Clintons ARE worthless.

Finally, someone just comes out and admits it --- this is all about dumping on the Clintons and the hell with actually trying to prove anything. One gold star to Goldspinner for honesty.

Hah! I actually voted for Bill....once. Geez, I never made that mistake again. Anyone remember Bill's comments about getting "two presidents for the price of one" back during his first campaign? Perhaps this explains where Hillary obtained her much vaunted "presidential experience".

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