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Smooth Start for Software Fix
Pleasing to find myself still logged in and able to comment. Expected (eventual) recovery of archives is a plus, but I'd trade them for tracking. Until then, (if my latest posts will return to that list), I use that as a reminder list.
Josh reports tracking will return, as well as ratings if necessary. He was annoyed by their use in flame wars; I found that they mostly were not, and some reader-delivered regulation occurred. We either countered deliberately personal ratings attacks by counter-rating, or notified management.
But preventing ratings abuse might require complex performance-based privileges or other complications. The alternative is active management observation and intervention, or just rounding up some trusted users again. Yes, that is the opposite of automatic, but few things worthwhile are achieved without paying attention.
Now, can we find something to talk about that is neither Clinton nor Obama? Probably not, so play nice, kids.
Comments (23)
Now that commenting is so much easier, things are going to get even worse ;)
April 14, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
maybe smooth.
i do notice that the recommended list is now just a copy of the recent list.
April 14, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
i do like the instant posting
April 14, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Tom Wright singing the praises of the new TPM Cafe. This is a Mark Penn-endorses-Obama kind of moment.
April 14, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's party of the whole Dem unity thing.
April 14, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I meant "part". I hate it when typos f-up a punch line.
April 14, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Next feature: Editing comments
April 14, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't much of a cafe participant in the old days, but I agree with Josh about the rating flame wars. It seemed like there was a lot of annoying discussion about who was downrating whom and why. Also, it just doesn't seem necessary to me. Troll posts are easy enough to spot.
April 14, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was wondering about the technical problems -- did one of the more incessant and nasty trollers break something?
Or did I in my heated attempts to post in the great bitterness debate?
I think you guys should look at plastic.com's "karma" system, or other ways to rate people up or down. Of course ratings could be abused by the majority, but otherwise it will be nothing but flame wars started by invading Republicans by Labor Day.
April 14, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cafe had karma, back when. It was supposedly open to some vague kind of abuse (which I didn't ever see).
April 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom,
Yes, with both previous software systems. Drupal had "karma." Scoop, before that, had "Trusted User."
BTW, DKos started with Scoop and altered it in many ways. One of them is that they still have Trusted Users that moderate Hidden Comments. But their ratings of comments is simplied, there is a choice of an up or a down vote, yet they also have given Trusted Users the power of hiding or unhiding.
April 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, geeze, now Genghis is going to think I'm a pro-ratings troll.
April 14, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Guano, you don't be shy. Embrace you're inner troll.
But when I start getting negative ratings, you know who I'm going after first.
April 14, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm getting one screen of "Latest Comments" from the beginning of the changeover -- February 2, 2008 -- only.
How's by everybody else?
April 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cool time warp. Makes me nostalgic for the old days before super tuesday.
April 14, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, see my comment downthread.
April 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't say it's smooth. Things have changed on my profile page but not for the better, but worse:
1) My Profile "Latest Comments" are not the latest ones that were there yesterday, it now lists my comments from Feb. 2 to Feb. 23. (In this case, I feel the need to whine and still refer to the old software: you could see ALL your comments going back to the first day you posted on the site. I don't see why alternative software cannot offer that as well.)
2) My Profile "Latest Posts" still has the same 3 posts I have made since the software changeover and none of the many I made from the archive.
3) My Profile "Recommended" is as glitchy mess, just a few moments ago what appeared there was this list of links to Election Central's calendar, which I most certainly did not recommend:
Now what's there is the same old stalled list of things I may have recommended long ago. This recommend list is not accurate, I have recommended things on TPMCafe home page and TPM that do not show up there (goes without saying that it does not show Reader Blogs I have recommended, it never has.)
April 14, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
The above comment does not show up yet on my "Latest Comments," it still only has the comments from Feb. 2 to 23.
April 14, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have pretty much the same problems.
April 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
My comments show the ones from February 25th to March 12th.
Today, we know that time travel need not be confined to myths, science fiction, Hollywood movies, or even speculation by theoretical physicists. Time travel is possible.
April 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
My latest comments are not even mine.
Here is the last one before this is posted. It belongs to someone else, as you can see at the bottom of his post. The ones below it are not mine also.
In the light of these histrionics, what does it mean that Hillary and her campaign are being sued by merchants in Iowa because they aren't paying their bills. They must be flat broke. Either that or they are a bunch of crooks, refusing to pay a small deli owner their two thousand dollar bill. Is this all desperation or what?? Sheesh..
link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/16429/3827/66/462663
Posted by cmpnwtr
April 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
On ratings, the graduated scale was not useful, really, since we used mostly the maximum or minimum values. But if there were a "hide this comment" or "delete this comment", active after some number of users applied it, the thread would be cleaner.
Archives are a work in progress, it seems.
April 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seeing my comments post immediately makes me feel like I've just had a full-body cast removed.
Oh the sweet feeling of liberation!
April 14, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
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